How much for a full tank of Hydrogen?!?!
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- čas přidán 14. 01. 2023
- Hydrogen prices have steadily risen since our ownership of our 2022 Toyota Mirai. Now every fill up from almost empty have consistently passed $100 dollars. This almost full fill up was $109 and change.
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Major respect for sharing an actual experience with fueling the Mirai.
Wow...the fact that my 2005 mintly maintained Corolla fills up with $45 of gas and still gives 29 mpg combined...377 mile range, makes me want to keep it even longer lol.
And my Camry hybrid takes $50 to fill up and has 650 mile range. Best car ever.
They give you 15,000 in free credit so every fill up is free :) the more you know
@@ayrtonebrahimi637515000 will be enough for 80000 miles or so. And people you are replying to have 2005 corolas. With probably 250000 miles on em.
Considering that Mirai stores inormous amount of pressure, i predict them starting to blow up when they will be somewhere around 10-15 years old.
@@ayrtonebrahimi6375 It's not free. they just jacked up the price of the car by 15k
@@ayrtonebrahimi6375i saw a 2022 mirai for 12,000
This won’t ever be a mainstream thing unless the price is $30-$40 to fill up a full tank.
The biggest issue is ~30% electrolysis efficiency, and remember we're thinking infrastructure and grid-scale here; 10,000 hydrogen commuters would require more power generation than 30,000 battery electrics.
As for charging time, a 350kW station can give you nearly 250 miles range in about 15 minutes today without freezing your hose to your car, and both batteries and chargers are getting better and cheaper every year. I also suspect there are already more 350kW chargers than hydrogen stations in your area.
Hydrogen looked like a good transition tech 15 years ago. It's not competing with 15-year-old batteries and chargers anymore.
Yeah using hydrogen is still very much at the fanboi stage, where everyone's ignoring what it takes to produce. It's far from "free" or zero emissions to separate out.
What milage can be expected for this amount of hydrogen (for without hydrogen vehicle)
I own the exact same car as you. And I agree with you 100%. True Zero has got to be the WORST hydrogen station I experienced as well. Always breaking down, never get a full fill up, little to no customer support, and a bunch of Mirai owners just stuck there..And i think the cost went up too recently. I just try to avoid these stations if I can.
Sounds like a ripoff in the measurement of hydrogen actually dispensed. Seems like a discrepancy on each use? Are these pumps DOT inspected and approved by weights and measures?
Can you answer in more detail?
Put the word out so these unrepaired and higher priced stations go out of business.
How long you think you ll stick to the mirai? BEV anytime soon? deos the mirai sell back at good price, i would think resell value will start to plummet as hydrogen is kind left aside of new innovation
Thank You for the video. Plus supporting this new Tech. Soon they will get the cost down on a refill. This tech needs to get the refill charge down 2/3rds before the mass will find it attractive.
It will always cost four times as much to fill a car with hydrogen than it will cost to simply charge a battery powered EV because the hydrogen cycle is only 30% efficient. That chemistry will never change. This is well known by the oil companies. That's why they promote it. Because it will fail and they will sell you black hydrogen which is just natural gas with the CO2 released into the air by the oil company for you.
$0.44 per mile vs $0.032 per mile in my Nissan Leaf if charged at overnight rates.
I finally traded my '21 Mirai in once the price reached $36/kilo. Went with a GR Corolla.
How much did they give you for your Mirai?
My 18 gal tank cost about $65 to fill. Range is about 450 miles. It is a 1996 Cougar XR7 with 4.6 double overhead cams. From 60mph to 120 mph is a hair over 4 seconds.😆
How long it last ? How many miles to the gal
So a full tank would have cost around $115 and given 300 miles ? I see why hydrogen isn't really making any progress, a gas toyota like that would average maybe 30mpg, so 10 gallons for 300 miles or only around $32-40 depending on the cost of gas. Our Ioniq 5 AWD uses about $3.15 in power to drive 100 miles to work and back, or under $10 for 300 miles. I don't see hydrogen vehicles ever making it as a replacement for gas cars not just for the cost of fueling but there is zero infrastructure in most states for fulling these cars so you can never travel outside your home area.
I don't understand why Some people still insist on using hydrogen in cars.
Don't they know that by carrying an H Bomb underneath the trunk is Dangerous?!
The static, plus if you get rear-ended, goodbye cruel world!!
@@hfc3249 when you get rear ended so hard that that tank will burst and explode, then you better off by being blowing up, because
you sure don't want to survive a crash where your car is being shorted by 8 feet, and your body is being crushed and remolded
into the shape of the crumble zone.
And do you remember the days where electric cars didn't had as many loading stations everywhere?
So there's only one thing i see that is wrong, and that is the cost per mile, because it's expencive as hell, and people are ony interested
in getting somehwere as cheap as possible, and they don't care if it's electric, hydrogen or gas. Cheap is what they care for, not the enviroment.
@@ronniedoorzon1576 Its for early adopters today, ...in a decade or two masses of asses will be drooling to get one of these cars.
If you are green peace member and you have to travel 300 miles with reporters stalking you. Hydrogen could give you a break.
A hindenburg in EVERY garage.
"Sometimes it just works a little bit" sounds like Microsoft
Hydrogen powered cars are trash. Basically spent $110.00, just to get 288 mile range. I'm sticking to my gas powered cars for now but looking to get a hybrid carin the future.
Well, I wasn't going to buy a hydrogen car anyway. But I was thinking of building a dirigible
Now THAT I could get behind!
Well that just talked me out of ever owning one 🤣
This decade yep,maybe next be different once it streams down from industry to heavy trucking to consumers. Several countries are aiming to get green hydrogen down to 2usd per kg by 2030
@@jordanbrown7403 Hydrogen will never be a great idea for passenger cars.
@@Simon-dm8zv Lets see what happens,china are investing a lot into hydrogen as well and think we are now moving into quantum science and nano technology in modern world so don't assume will be based on current technology.
@@jordanbrown7403 Won't change laws of physics. Hydrogen will therefore always remain a lot less efficient than battery electric.
@@Simon-dm8zv Did you see james web has allready disproved things and are knowledge of physics is still limited but again like i said we are working in quantum realm.
Scientists have been proven wrong loads of times,can you tell me every possible combination has been used to get to the hydrogen we barely mix elements as it is in grand scheme of things. Have we utilized all sound wave frequencies etc we can only see a fraction of universe with our eyes.We don't even know to prove or disprove about multi universes.
Thank you for sharing I stay with tesla and pay 7$ each full charge.
Are we still having supply issues at the hydro stations? Thinking of picking up a CPO.
Omg, 288 miles of range, and you spent 109$ .. so bad, in my 2012 diesel car, for that range I would spent 39$ lol
Man my 2007 Chevy aveo only cost 22 dollars for 3/4 of a tank of gas. He pays like 4 times that for about the same
It will get cheaper when the stations are made up to date?
With my little 1998 S10 old beat-up it will take me to t.j. and back home with no problems with only $120
This a joke ? My 2002 $900 used v6 Camry gets 400 miles on one full tank about $90
and my prius goes 460mi on $24 of gas. either way, hydrogen is expensive. the Mirai should be free 😂
Less that 300 miles for $110??!?!?! Well, that sounds tempting
Imma stickin w this litttle used Prius i got that goes 450mi for $24 in gas 😂
@@FixItYerself yeah every one laughs at Prius until they are don't the side of the road out of gas and the Prius i still going
How far you go and how many gallons
In berlin this month average prices 12.85 euros a quick conversion comes out at 14.18usd.
What can you guys do to spur on innovation and uptake. When looking for the information about that price its said to be 30% less in 2030
Do you know that electricity used for production and compression would give you 3 times range of this on EV.??
DAMN!!!!! I need to study about this more.
Today by my reseach that fill up is over $200. IF you can find Hydrogen. Shell just closed all it's filling stations.
People do not understand economics. As the demand for these cars increase, the cost for the hydrogen will drop. Remember in the 80's when a brand new VCR was $1000
Ok, but what is the range of a full thank. keep in mind, fuel here cost around 2euro per liter.. not sure if that is being called cheap.
True it was expensive. But sometimes u can buy a new n used Mirai with a 10 k gas card or so from the dealer when u buy a new or used car.
What's the difference between the two grades
For example, for an internal combustion engine to run 100% on hydrogen on demand (gas from water), without storing a gram of hydrogen, a plant producing 2L/m is needed for an 1800 cc engine.
The V and A consumption depends only on those producing the plant.
We had hydrogen on demand installation taken directly from the factory, couldn't find someone to stay 2 -3 days to make it 100% but it reduced consumption by 59%, very simple installation, 5v consumption with 7a, 1l distilled water and a few grams of sodium bicarbonate or sodium hydroxide.
NO engine modifications needed.
The installation is very simple to fit, weighed about 4kg with wiring, 30A fuse, a one way arrestor and a reinforced hose plus two electrical power cables, all factory packaged which, they have been producing for 26 years.
There are videos of people who have done their own hydrogen installations and have 100% hydrogen trucks.
To make such a complicated car, compressed hydrogen, WHY hydrogen stations, why don't people want to be independent? Back in the 1800's there were cars with free energy engines, now with so called technology, we make cars by scratching us with our right hand behind our head, on left side, why?
LOL because of basic laws of physics.
What is the cost of hydrogen per mile?
Hydrogen is in the "figure out what they're doing" stage. There will be technological advances and economy of scale to bring down prices if the market determines this as viable.
Here in Arizona I paid $4.55 a gallon for regular this week and say it as high as $5.25.
The first hydrogen running car was invented in the early 86s, the man that did it change just minor things on a regular engine and create a piece like a fuel injector that went over the spark plug. Did need no charging for hydrogen , because he created a device that went under the hood that made the hydrogen from water and collected the water that came out the tail pipe. I believe the keep he converted got over 1000 miles before having to add water. He got kill because of his creation because it would do away with oil coal and natural gas because any engine could be switched over for a little over 100 bucks. The companies making the hydrogen cars also owe the hydrogen station they control the prices. Which is what they wanted
@@williamroyt1296 Yeah it was a famous scam.
@@williamroyt1296 His invention also does away with several laws of physics. Its a sasquatch sighting in a tale about cars. Sorry. Took lots of classes in chem in college. What you describe above never existed. The energy to crack that much water would require an immense battery.... which would run the car without all the other junk.
They have been playing with H2 cars for 30 years. The improvements are getting fewer and further between. Conversely, the motors in EVs are progressing nicely with HP to weight and efficiency and eradication of rare earth metal content. Batteries have dropped in price 90% in 10 years with a 50% drop seen in the next 5 (ie they will be Much cheaper to build than gas engines and half as much to maintain/"fuel". H2 cars have no such benefit and will not even at scale given they are so Very much less efficient than Either gas or Electric cars.
Why would Anyone buy a car that costs so much more to run, is far less reliable and requires 100s of billions in government provided infrastructure to build out. EVs require none of this are cheaper to make (and becomming cheaper still), more reliable and have existing infrastructure being built out at No cost to tax payer (if only the govts would stop with unneeded subsidies).
@@avgjoe5969 exactly
Range?
It’s crazy that you mention someone was trying to sell a ring for gas money, I think that’s a local scam coming from a certain type of person, It happened to me and I didn’t buy anything because I don’t like rings or jewelry but it was weird because they had a Mercedes needing money for gas??? Probably a 25 cent ring 🤦🏽♂️ scams are getting weird
thanks for the info. That seems pretty pricey ✌✌ $110 for 288 miles? my goodness
Wow.. the fact that my 2019 Tesla M3 AWD (24k miles), sorry. no maintenance yet, but 3 new cabin filters and tire rotation, fills up for less than $8 (0.08/kw) for an actual range of 250 miles (gotta account for a/c in florida) makes me want to keep it even longer lmao.
A tesla M3 long range awd "fills up" with what would be equivalent to 3 gallons of gas and can go 230+ miles. (1 gallon of gas = 33.7 Kw in stored energy.
How far can you go on 3 gallons of gas? Think about it.
wow it only can run 490KM for US$100? 😱 in Australia unleaded 98 full tank for my car is AUD$105 and travelling 635km until it ask me fuel is running out is 5km. expensive.
Would love to switch to a dedicated hydrogen engine but there's few and far between hydrogen gas stations in Australia.
Have you seen h2x hydrogen pickup ute?
Why would anyone want hydrogen. Did you see that it cost 5 x more to fill the tank than it would to charge a battery powered EV? Maybe you're not awake.
@@NackDSP It shows it cost around 14 dollars in berlin and the technology for cars is in its infancy.
Also australia is set to be big player in hydrogen not only do they export a lot of coal,lithium,iron ore they have lots of sun and windpower and the south koreans need hydrogen from them,the technology is improving but it was never going to be easy.
@@jordanbrown7403hydrogen tech is more expensive, both in financial and energy terms.
...wouldn't it just be easier to use gasoline? What is going to supply the plant life with food with no gasoline exhaust?
Now you're catching on! And what're the politicians going to say about their b.s. carbon tax gouging when we're standing around starving and the Earth's weather just keeps getting more drastic anyways, after they've taxed the living fucq out of us?!
My 46 gal tank cost $160 to fill. It will cover 450 to 650 miles depending on load and terrain. It is an F250 2005 Ford 4x4. The engine is a 5.4 re-manufactured S&J from Washington. I use Lucas Fuel Additive, about half what they say to use, If I have 500 lbs in the bed and 3750 lbs single axle in tow the range is about 360 miles. If only I had a diesel 12 valve cummins.
My jeep gets 15MPG. At today's prices, ($4.50 per gallon.), I can get 366 miles out of $110.00.
Well, THAT was a total waste of time!
Smh.
Airs products has a fueling station in Santa Monica
that hose handy...lol
This is really useful - thank you - how accurate would you say the estimated range is before and after? Is it based on rated use of hydrogen, or actual driving - if so, how typical was your driving up to that point?
What happens if you run it to zero?
You mis-typed the last fill amount, you put $23, not $26 - I do that all the time.
Summary Stats:
Fill 1: 2.159 kg / $57.75
Fill 2: 1.058 kg / $28.30
Fill 3: 1.005 kg / $26.88 (you put $23.88 in your calculator)
Total: 4.222 kg / $112.93 @ $26.75/kg
Starting Range : 32 miles (51.5 km), Time of day: 11:40AM
Finished Range: 288 miles (463.5 km), Time of day: 11:49AM
256 miles (412 km) added in 9 minutes for $112.93 - $0.44 per mile.
60.6 miles per kg / 97.58 km per kg.
The 2022 Mirai has a 5.6kg tank, but it sounds like only 4.5kg is the typical empty to full capacity? Was 32 miles empty range actually closer to 60? It seems far from it's rated range when full.
Any idea what the CO2 per kg is for that blend? Assuming 2/3 fossil, 7kg?
Thank you for the brake down I was thinking of buy a hydrogen car but I’ll stick to gas because for 400 miles on my truck I put $100 for a full tank.
@@626jonny rent an electric for a week and do a big trip (ideally on the Tesla network) - see how you feel afterwards.
I see the fueling nozzle seem to freeze up every time. Oh wow! What happens when the outside temperature is -20 Celsius. This could be a night mare.
What a pain in the behind. For almost a full tank of hydrogen, just $110 !!! A Tesla Model Y built in Germany with BYD's 62 KWhr blade battery will cost about $8.75 to travel 240 miles. The blade battery technology has the potential to be charged and discharged close to 100% for three thousand cycles with virtually no degradation of the liquid-cooled battery. That is over 700,000 miles for the lifetime of the new blade battery technology. Why would anybody want this very expensive hydrogen fool cell technology? I would actually prefer not to drive the Hindenburg.
Hi, what year is your car?
this is a 2022 model
I'll stick with my gas car. I go in, fill up to the max, and go out.
This is exactly why hydrogen won't work for cars. The fill time is horrible. The Mirai is slow with 0 - 60 mph in 9 seconds. I can drive a Tesla 288 miles for about $14 of electricity that I get from my house. I never wait for it to charge. It takes me 5 seconds to plug it in. My EV leaves the house with a full charge every day, I never have to go freeze my hands off at some stupid filling station that apparently is always leaking hydrogen. Who is stupid enough to buy a hydrogen car and then pay through the nose to drive it?
Well, what is the range of the Mirai?
I did Google it and found out it's listed range on full hydrogen is about 402 miles of travel for approximately $100.00 which is not reasonably cheap. (Depends on pump provider and price may vary lower due to increased providers).
you answered your own question 😂 my prius goes 460mi on $24 of gas
@@FixItYerself i just finished a 1360 mile trip. My 2013 Fiesta S went 470 miles and the fillup was 😮$26...no electric addons involved, just a 1.6L Mazda B motor from the 90s with Ford stamped on it. 44hwy MPG. $8000 car in 2014 with one owner.
It was consistent with that over the whole trip with $3 gasoline.
This thing gets 3 miles to the $. That would be $440 for a trip I spent 90 for....not to mention having to play with the pump three or four times every visit to fill up.
Is it that hard to design equipment that works.
stick to my petrol car. one fill up only lol
The technology is new and producing hydrogen fuel for general consumption will take awhile. The cost will also come down as well. If you think spending $100.00 for fuel is too high try getting new battery packs for your EV. Also take a Ford F150 to a gas station in California and fill it up. It will cost you more than$150.00.
F150 is a large truck, you need to compare this car to a Toyota Camry (I think the most comparable)?
The batteries in H2 cars will need replacement after a couple of years. Plus the hydrogen tanks stored at 10,000 psi would need replacement to. Plus you won't be able to charge your hydrogen car at home
Hydrogen tanks have an expiry date on Mirai. Fuel Cell, which requires platinum, also has a limited expected lifetime.
I wish the car manufacturers would build solar panels into the cars to create hydrogen while the car is sitting in the sun. Wouldn't that be something! Personal Energy independance!
109 dollars for not even a full tank???? Sticking to my electric car 😂 i only spend like 20 dollars for a full tank
Wow! It's only around $12/Kg CAD in Vancouver, Canada.
California not using solar or wind power to generate hydrogen. They are extracting from natural gas. 😂 Should be cheaper by using green power. BC has hydro power that is literally free at night. Hydrogen should be 4 CAD per kg. 12 CAD is just greed
It looks like "clean" technology is only for rich people. Let me know when I can buy a sub $15K hydrogen car and when the hydrogen fuel is less expensive than gasoline.
Hydrogen will never be cheaper than gas unless they ramp up the taxes on gas enormously. This Hydrogen isn't even green, its still made from fossil fuels. Green Hydrogen will cost more. If you want cheap running costs you need a BEV. If you want a low budget EV and are willing to accept modest range and modest performance then you can buy one in China for around $6k new. It may take a while for these to become available in the west and the price will probably be higher due to higher safety requirements etc. But affordable lower spec EVs are coming. Even tesla is talking about a 25k model. Alternatively you can buy a second hand one if you are on the tight budget. The original model leafs did suffer from considerable battery degradation because they didn't have a proper thermal management system. You can buy those for about about £7k. Range might only be about 80 miles but that'll cover most people's day to day driving. In a few years there'll be a lot more better second hand BEVs available.
@@adrianthoroughgood1191 wrong, gas will only last50 years tops then it is extinct, far less years if you factor in WW3 vs china when tanks are burning it like it's the end of the world and airforces' bombing all the oil wells again. hydrogen the most plentiful fuel in the universe, the fuel suns burn. will never run out! why you stooopid?
@@halburd1 It's true there is an effectively inexhaustible supply of Hydrogen at the Sun. But the Sun is 93 million miles away and about 6000C at the surface. How are you going to harvest the Hydrogen?
@@adrianthoroughgood1191 Go at nighttime when its cold?
You can’t get a decent polluting car for $15k, moron. What planet are you from?
So what in CA. I paid $139 to fill my truck today.
OK my BMW i3S EV costs $5 to go 150 miles. So that's about 10X cheaper than what was just demonstrated. This needs to come down a lot before I would think of adopting a hydrogen vehicle. Also couldn't do this at home.
dont these cars still use oil to lubricate the motor :D
What kind of company puts hydrogen in a pressurized tank when it is easy to produce on demand?
Unless something drastically changes, the masses will never adopt this. Way to many issues, and WAY to expensive.
Yep, people (rightfully) complain about the EV charging infrastructure not being sufficient, well an H2 station costs roughly 10x-20x that of an EV station. Whose going to pay for that? Not it appears the companies that make these cars, they expect someone else to pony up.
Why 288? Range is supposed to be 400
if they( msnufacturers) stop reinvent the wherl till it doesn'troll any more . thecomputer everything is just unnessesary and failure proned. this process can be simplified.
Tacoma with 22mpg is cheaper to run ) My tank is less than 100 now. And runs 400miles+. But it is a future )
? how much of the price is tax......????????????????????????????/
Why is the hydrogen fuel so damn expensive?
110$ for 255$ miles‽ Yeah, that always bothered me that BEV were cheaper then ICE per miles. Doesn't give me the impression i'm contributing to the earth. So yeah let s buy Hydrogen.
KLOL! He went to Diamond Bewb.
Dude editied his experience into a 7 minute video and still didnt fill the tank. How can anyone think this will work lmfao.
Hydrogen is such a difficult substance to work with. The smallest atoms that will escape through the smallest holes. None of it makes sense.
How many miles does a 100 dollars of fuel get you?
less than 400mi. for the same cost that he spent, i can currently travel 2000 miles in my hybrid. toyota is losing their mind here.
At $0.44 per mile, 227 miles on $100. (See my top level post with a breakdown)
LA to SFO any hydrogen fuel station.
I am genuinely curious about the concept of hydrogen as a fuel source, and find it a more attractive option than EVs--provided the infrastructure is there of course! But what matters most to me is cost of use! $100+ for a fill-up? Is that even once a week? No thank you. I'll stick to my 2000 Lincoln Town Car V8 gas guzzler which only costs me about $50-60 a week! (And I think that's outrageous!) Drive anything you want and it's ok by me, but no thanks! And can we at least make these things sound like cars please? The silent running is creepy!
gr corolla H2, im waiting for that!
A ridiculous anachronism before it starts after 40 year development.
Three attempts to fill tank. 100 bucks and on a range of 288 miles? Oh hell no. What a scam.... Also leaking hydrogen from the nozzle seriously? What could possibly go wrong....
ring for gas money might have been a scam
So they are sticking with Beta as the world picks VHS
why is it so exspensive ? ,should be half that price
110 bucks for only 288 miles of range? Damnnnn that sucks so bad. Nope, Nope, Nope. and...... NOPE / edit: TY for that knowledge PSA vid. Helpful for sure to many prospective buyers.
This car gets far less mileage than my corolla HEV why would anyone pay $109 for single tank of gas that only goes 401 miles?
Toyota teaches americans to use proper weight metrics. Nice. Finaly somebody is doing something.
Now we just have to find a way for them to learn cantimeters and meters and we could actualy start to comunicate.
Expensive, to fill it. No wonder no one wants them.
lol $110 for how many miles? I pay $30 for my 2017 Toyota Camry xse... for 450 miles...
Huge PITA.
Wow so im assuming its definitely not worth the price
I'll never go electric. Hydrogen cell or not, no thanks.
over a hundred dollars for 288 miles, wowwwww
Before you waste your money on Hydrogen vehicles you should know that making hydrogen from electricity will reap about a 40% efficency. So 60% of your power is wasted in the converting process. Not a great deal.
There's no reason for that price seriously
I'll pay more money for a quicker fill up than sit at a charging station for 90 min.
Yeah but people will pay more for something that could charged at home for 5x cheaper
$106 for 288 miles of range..............I'm excited about Hydrogen Tech but that's too expensive. EV cars although just as harmful to the environment are far less expensive up front for 400 miles of range which is what most people would accept.
Ha! Now I know your zip code! It's beep beep beep beep...beep.
26.88 not 23.88 for your third fill. 😂 total: 112.93! 😮
This tech has gotten less development as it is more advanced than say EV's or gasoline.
You're still very early in the game.
$100.00 it cost to full up with hydrogen. You better off with a gas vehicle. One click and you know you are full.
How do you like this car 🚗????
why putting in your zipcode.
what a nonsense
When using a debit card, you dont do that? Everybody does.