Toyota FINALLY Fixed Their BIGGEST Issue | 3 Rust Improvements on Tundra and Tacoma (TNGA-F)

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  • čas přidán 21. 08. 2024
  • 3 corrosion related design changes that addressed Toyota owners' biggest pain points over the years. Changes applies to new Tacoma, Tundra, Sequoia and all other TNGA-F platform trucks.
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  • @TinkerersAdventure
    @TinkerersAdventure  Před 8 měsíci +31

    Great discussions guys! Here are my feedbacks to the top 2 items in your comments:
    1. Galvanic corrosion on aluminum sleeve + steel bolt. This was my first reaction as well, but here is what Toyota says about the new control arms in tech training "The bound stopper contact area is placed close to the inside of the vehicle to ensure anti-corrosion performance". I didn't find another piece in between the bolt and sleeve so this is probably the aluminum sleeve itself. Here is my own reasoning, steel on steel corrosion forms ionic bonds through Fe2O3. This is a much stronger bond than mechanical interference created between different oxide. Like many things in engineering, it's NOT binary black vs white. It's usually "how much" under "what conditions". We don't know how Toyota validated this change. As of now, we can only take their words and let time be the judge. And of course, Toyota knows about galvanic corrosion better than any of us. Think how many serviceable steel on aluminum connections there are on the forged aluminum knuckles, control arms and etc.
    2. Internal A.D.D is worse off because you need to take the diff apart to replace it. That would be true if we simply move the exact same motor + selector fork mechanism inside. But that is NOT the case. The whole point of the new A.D.D is to vastly reduce the need to touch it at all. Like I said, the common failure mode of the old design is 1. corrosion, 2. solder breaking on the motor. The new magnetic coil swimming in gear oil directly eliminated these 2 failure modes.

    • @MacGyver2394
      @MacGyver2394 Před 8 měsíci +1

      Great responses to these comments. I'm on the same page, only time and testing will tell and we'll hope that all these changes are as much for the better as they can be. No design is ever perfect and we'll all continue to make improvements as we go along.

    • @Sebastian-Lucas
      @Sebastian-Lucas Před 7 měsíci +1

      Hey, i ordered my 4-gen Taco as well. Did you say that these new Taco do not need Undercoating having a TNGA-F? Please clarify. Thanks

    • @daniels2761
      @daniels2761 Před 6 měsíci

      A fiber bearing would have been a relatively cheap addition that would totally eliminate the seizing. But it is probably cheaper for Toyota to omit the part and sell more A-arms.

  • @scott8238
    @scott8238 Před 8 měsíci +135

    True story: I was Toyota Journeymen Expert Technician ( I graduated from the Toyota T-ten technical program in auto service) in Minneapolis from 2004-2009 at a large volume dealership (Walser Toyota) . During my time there they had a crew of 3 master techs that would replace about 2-3 frames a day, this is all they did while I worked there during this time. Because of this I have avoided buying another Toyota truck since then so I am glad to see the new frame being released.

    • @motocross402
      @motocross402 Před 8 měsíci +16

      My Tacoma frame was inspected and undercoated in MN. It was passed. Years later the truck is undrivable due to the frame still rotting out.

    • @Winner3ty
      @Winner3ty Před 8 měsíci +15

      ​@@motocross402 undercoating doesnt work due to how it traps moisture, oil based coatings work better and allow the frame underneath the breathe.

    • @BaconCruiser
      @BaconCruiser Před 8 měsíci +5

      Dang man I have an 08 GX and it looks just as new as my 20 LC, zero rust. We get a lot of snow but they don’t salt the roads here, just cinders.

    • @quyle9483
      @quyle9483 Před 8 měsíci +13

      I'm a current journey technician that works on cpo and extended warranty toyotas. And I can confirm that theyre efforts to resolving rust issues still hasn't done shit. Also in minnesota.

    • @vicaras1
      @vicaras1 Před 8 měsíci +1

      My 97 Tacoma was a buyback

  • @rotorhead5000
    @rotorhead5000 Před 8 měsíci +80

    As has already been pointed out in the comments, I don't think the aluminum sleeve in the bushing is a good idea. Dissimilar metals in the presence of moisture are prone to galvanic corrosion, basically chemically welding themselves together. We've all seen it on steel bolts going into aluminum engine, transmission and chassis components for years. A cheaper and easier solution would have just been to add a splining process to the bolts where they ran through the bushing sleeve kinda like Honda has done in the past, the smaller surface area of contact gives the rust someplace to expand without locking it all together. It wasn't perfect, but I've had a lot less trouble with that variety of chassis bolt than the ordinary kind. That said, may be the Toyota engineers know something I don't (a lot of things if I'm honest)

    • @sepg5084
      @sepg5084 Před 8 měsíci +15

      Applying anti-sieze would reduce the galvanic corrosion problem. Engines with aluminum blocks still use steel bolts, aluminum wheels still use steel lug nuts, some cars have aluminum control arms that use steel bolts, etc.

    • @incompetent.engineer
      @incompetent.engineer Před 8 měsíci +6

      It’s galvanized steel which is galvanically compatible with aluminum. Just like the bolts in Toyota engine blocks and their aluminum control arms. The coating will wear off after many many years in salt, but there is no better alternative

    • @rotorhead5000
      @rotorhead5000 Před 8 měsíci +4

      @sepg5084 I'll be the first to admit that my addiction to the grey/silver paste up here in the great rusty northeast is borderline obscene, but I've never seen it used by a manufacturer. I've had problems with steel parts touching each of the three common aluminum things you've mentioned, wheels corroded into the hubs, bolts breaking off aluminum castings in engines and suspension components, ect. What worries me about this is that those control arm bolts go years without being touched, and don't get the kind if heat cycles that an engine does, so it is kind of a worst case scenario for corrosion, which is largely why they were such a problem on all the prior versions.

    • @rotorhead5000
      @rotorhead5000 Před 8 měsíci +3

      ​. True dat about no better alternative, I still think they would have been better off to leave the sleeve as steel and spline the shank of the bolt. It's worked startlingly well for honda where I live, and it's such a simple thing I don't know why more manufacturers don't do it. (It wasn't a 100% success rate, but it was leaps and bounds ahead of what fighting with a standard bolt is like)

    • @krashanb5767
      @krashanb5767 Před 8 měsíci +5

      They sure don't know jack about corrosion. Aluminum wheels can get stuck to steel hub. Sometimes, plastic separators are installed to eliminate this problem. Steel screws going into aluminum break very often when you try to remove them. I got one I need to drill out right now.

  • @Doomzdayxx
    @Doomzdayxx Před 8 měsíci +22

    For my brothers and sisters that live in the salt belt:
    They said they "fixed the rust issue" like 25 years ago. Guess what...they didn't! If you buy one of these, GET IT UNDERCOATED. Fluid film or the wax type stuff. DO NOT get a rubberized undercoating

    • @TheBeatenPaths
      @TheBeatenPaths Před 7 měsíci +3

      And don't wait!! Get the Fluid Film on it the day you buy it!!

    • @gregktm
      @gregktm Před 7 měsíci

      Drop the term "undercoated". Generically it means rubber coating. Get it rust proofed.

    • @Doomzdayxx
      @Doomzdayxx Před 7 měsíci +3

      @@gregktm No, generically, it means several different types of rust protection, whether water based, asphalt or petroleum.
      Also, drop "rust proof" from your vocabulary. Nothing is 100% "rust proof". "Rust resistant" is more appropriate.
      Glad I could help.

    • @spookytook
      @spookytook Před 7 měsíci +2

      How often?

    • @TheBeatenPaths
      @TheBeatenPaths Před 7 měsíci +2

      @@Doomzdayxx Glad you said that lol.

  • @MrLM002
    @MrLM002 Před 8 měsíci +26

    This channel is horribly undersubscribed! Keep up the great work man, you'll get the subs and recognition you deserve!

  • @twotwentyswift
    @twotwentyswift Před 8 měsíci +53

    What most people don't realize is that Dana Corp right here in the USA made all those frames that rusted out on the Tacomas.

    • @janeblogs324
      @janeblogs324 Před 8 měsíci +7

      Buy Japanese Toyota only

    • @SteveBennet500
      @SteveBennet500 Před 8 měsíci +4

      Yes but which frame did they choose from the catalog? The cheap one, good enough one, or ford tough one?

    • @tobization
      @tobization Před 7 měsíci +8

      Frames are built to Toyota's spec. It's on them and nobody else.

    • @Ihateironyanddumbusernames
      @Ihateironyanddumbusernames Před 7 měsíci

      They should've borrowed Nissan's frames

    • @twotwentyswift
      @twotwentyswift Před 7 měsíci

      Oh OK 🤣🤣🤣@@tobization

  • @scotteramsey
    @scotteramsey Před 8 měsíci +15

    I spray my Jeep Gladiator twice a year with Fluid Film including inside the boxed frame. This has been done since I got it in 2021. No rust anywhere. Take care of what you have and it will last. I also wash my Jeep a minimum of once a week. That goes a long way too.

    • @brads1545
      @brads1545 Před 8 měsíci

      This. While Toyota rust is/was a problem, it was very easily solved by annual Fluid Film application.

    • @RWF_Racing
      @RWF_Racing Před 8 měsíci +5

      Fluid filmed my 2007 Tacoma every year, it got the frame replaced in 2016. It only slows the rust, doesn’t stop the rust here in NY. I still have the truck.

    • @marcpikas2859
      @marcpikas2859 Před 8 měsíci +1

      @@RWF_Racing. Also has my 06 frame replaced and must keep on rustproofing the new frame regularly or it would melt away. Cheap paint or cheap steel I don’t know what to think. How much would it cost Toyota to galvanize dip before assembly? Less than a recall is my guess.

    • @ALMX5DP
      @ALMX5DP Před 8 měsíci +2

      I truly feel for those who live in areas that get heavily salted roads in the winter. As a west coaster that is quite a rare situation to be concerned with rust after only a decade or two of use. I know this is somewhat off topic, but is there no solution that can keep roads clear without putting an extremely corrosion causing substance down every year?

    • @brads1545
      @brads1545 Před 8 měsíci

      @@RWF_Racing Was that part of the recall/warranty? Did you have to pay for that out of pocket?

  • @wayneluyt4089
    @wayneluyt4089 Před 8 měsíci +60

    steel bolt in aluminium bush is probably not a good idea, galvanic corrosion will occur which creates aluminium oxide which has more volume than the parent aluminium and will effectively lock it all together

    • @seagullsbtn
      @seagullsbtn Před 8 měsíci +9

      Worse, you’ll see white rust, evidence of galvanic corrosion, so the suspension arms become instantly immediate replacement items.

    • @tsslaporte
      @tsslaporte Před 8 měsíci +6

      The new bushing looks coated, only time will tell if that will hold up. From an engineering POV im guessing the engineering team did a trade matrix and this design was the winner. Im sure corrosion was an important line item.

    • @alexs825
      @alexs825 Před 8 měsíci +5

      Came looking for this comment. Had problems with aluminum body shocks and steel ball bearings and springs in my fox PES shocks. Need to keep it well lubricated

    • @willschluneger709
      @willschluneger709 Před 8 měsíci +4

      My first thought, the Landcruiser steel on aluminum E-Brake Bell cranks are notorious for corrosion, which causes them to break

    • @mark2073
      @mark2073 Před 8 měsíci +1

      @@willschluneger709 Exactly, that happened with my 4runner, completely seized up

  • @zarkostekovic6689
    @zarkostekovic6689 Před 8 měsíci +10

    Aluminum sleeve and steel bolt... Galvanic corrosion is reason that I needed to scrap WW2 bike in excellent condition as screws would not separate from aluminum.

    • @Levi-mg4nf
      @Levi-mg4nf Před 3 měsíci

      Yes, that’s what came to my mind also, dissimilar metal corrosion.

  • @anamnesiser
    @anamnesiser Před 7 měsíci +6

    2003 hilux here in salty southern Norway 😅
    Fluid film mix with old motor oil 50/50 has kept my Hilux pretty much rust free. I just spray inside the frame and round the wheels and chassis every 2-3 years.
    Fluid film alone, i found, tends to dry out in summer, but engine oil alone tends to wash off too easy. 50/50 seems to be about the right mix.
    Its all about having liquid oil to creep into any newly formed rust cracks and slow it right down. Most vehicles sold here have had a wax coating in the frames for many years.

  • @surreyhustle517
    @surreyhustle517 Před 8 měsíci +8

    when replacing and reinstalling cam bolts on any of my toyotas I always apply a thick layer of grease and never had an issue with one seizing up. As others have said will be interesting to see the long term effects with the dissimilar metals and repeatedly getting wet.

  • @davidwelty9763
    @davidwelty9763 Před 8 měsíci +11

    After the frame recall, they did coat the frames with anti rust coating well before the new Tundra models came out. The instances of rusted frames have decreased dramatically since about 2018.

    • @skoolynugenator1802
      @skoolynugenator1802 Před 8 měsíci

      Did they do that on Tacomas and 4Runners?

    • @ryanpott
      @ryanpott Před 7 měsíci

      Tacomas and tundras, but not 4runners....
      @@skoolynugenator1802

    • @M.TTT.
      @M.TTT. Před 7 měsíci

      the coating they put on was like rubber undercoating, which was a mistake

  • @Levi-mg4nf
    @Levi-mg4nf Před 3 měsíci

    A heavy once a year application of FluidFilm on the entire underside of my Tundra and 4Runner is what gives me peace of mind regarding rust corrosion. That includes filling up the box frame on the 4Runner with as much FluidFilm as I can spray in there, way more then reasonable but whatever. I buy FF by the bucket and can’t praise it highly enough.

  • @skoparweaver7692
    @skoparweaver7692 Před 8 měsíci +1

    For cutting the cam adjustment tubes on the control arms you can use just one cheap sawzall blade if you make sure you 1.) keep the rpms low to medium rather than wide open on the sawzall 2.) medium pressure on the blade to let it do the work 3.) lubricant like wd40, crc, etc all the time, as soon as the blade starts smoking remove the sawzall from the control arm and make sure the temp stays below too hot to touch. Once the metal gets hot it will lose its hardening and the teeth with just flatten right out.

  • @Effonefiddygarage
    @Effonefiddygarage Před 8 měsíci +2

    FANTASTIC analysis! You basically cut-out the fanboy krap and went strait to the engineering. Good stuff.

  • @HAHA.GoodMeme
    @HAHA.GoodMeme Před 8 měsíci +2

    Love your videos because I actually still learn stuff as an advanced owner of these platforms. Thank you for making quality content!!

  • @emmanuelcahigas9269
    @emmanuelcahigas9269 Před 7 měsíci +1

    i work at the plant, i can confirm the rust inhibiter are in the rav/nx unibody frame

  • @JasonExplainsThings
    @JasonExplainsThings Před 8 měsíci +13

    Awesome video as always! Adding the aluminum sleeve is a great change. I wonder if any aftermarket companies make something like that for my 4Runner or 3rd Gen Tacoma.

    • @JaredBusch
      @JaredBusch Před 8 měsíci

      that's what I thought! And I'm wondering the same thing! Seems like such an easy change to make (aftermarket LCA's) with that aluminum sleeve.

    • @flinch622
      @flinch622 Před 8 měsíci +1

      You could [if bolts are free]... knock them out, clean up & convert any surface rust, then apply something like sp400 to bolt shanks and inner sleeve before reassembly. These things got in trouble because they were assembled dry in the first place, and lets face it: plating/treatments isn't what it used to be on vehicles.

    • @Eduardo_Espinoza
      @Eduardo_Espinoza Před 8 měsíci

      sameee

    • @rushthezeppelin
      @rushthezeppelin Před 8 měsíci +2

      Aftermarket poly bushings fixes this issue since they have an inner sleeve that isn't bonded and slips within the bushing material. So even if the cam bolt bonds to the inner sleeve of the bushings it still works (although will be a pain to change out I suppose). I also slathered the cam in marine grease which will hopefully keep that corrosion at bay for a while. I figure anytime I'm in there I will pull the cam bolts and slather them some more. I swapped over to Whiteline poly after having cams seize on my 3rd gen 4runner. Not a perfect fix since poly is usually a harder durometer and isn't going to last quite as well as toyota rubber but works good enough for me.

    • @TinkerersAdventure
      @TinkerersAdventure  Před 8 měsíci +2

      Thanks! I think applying anti-seize is the best bet. That's what I've been doing for every Toyota I worked on for years. But make sure you DON'T apply it on the thread. That will change the clamping force vs tightening torque relationship. Doing that to skid plate bolt thread is fine but this is a critical structural bolt and clamping force is extra critical.

  • @4WDisLife
    @4WDisLife Před 8 měsíci +4

    I see your video being posted and drop everything to watch it first hand.

  • @northerntoyota7584
    @northerntoyota7584 Před 2 měsíci

    That wax substance is on my 2022 Tacoma here in Nova Scotia, Canada. Same with my 2023 tundra. I still use rust check coat and protect.

  • @preacherman85379
    @preacherman85379 Před 8 měsíci

    Thankfully Im in central Arizona now and rust is not a problem. When I lived in northern Maine I bought the cheapest new truck and financed it for 4 or less years. In the 80s and 90s i got 5 to 6 years out of a Ranger.

  • @matthewcaughey8898
    @matthewcaughey8898 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Ok I need to put this out there for anyone who actually wants the truth. 1 the rusty Toyota frames were manufactured by a subcontractor for Toyota. Dana Corp was hired to make the frames for the 05 to the end of the recall in the United States. Dana Corp failed to properly coat the frames which resulted in the frame rotting out at a far faster rate than expected. Mine had 2 3/4 holes in the upper rear rails which did require replacement under the recall. Dana Corp was sued by Toyota for the cost to replace the frames which hit 60 million dollars. In 2015 Toyota introduced a completely new Tacoma which went to a C- channel mostly open frame with boxed sections to prevent water and moisture from getting trapped in there. Now as to the new one dissimilar metals will attack each other unless they’re separated by a lubricant like anti seize compound. Ford did that with early to mid 1990s rangers and explorers. They ran a steel bolt through an aluminum carrier, mine had significant pitting from the aluminum attacking the steel. And yes aluminum corrodes, it just does so differently.

  • @channelnamehere4065
    @channelnamehere4065 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Love your channel! While most other CZcamsrs point at car components on video, you point the geeks in all of us to CAR COMPONENTS! MORE MORE MORE!

  • @mrvoyagerm
    @mrvoyagerm Před 7 měsíci

    I live in Canada and have had seven Toyotas over the years with over 100k on each one. I have never had to do an anlignment, never had any frame rust issues, never had any issue with the ADD, would have appreciated a front locker but never got completely stuck with any of them due to the ATRAK system. My job was heavy construction and had me off road almost every day. Every one came with some kind of waxy undercoating.

  • @Cherokeelion
    @Cherokeelion Před 8 měsíci

    I owned a 1982 toyo pickup , longbox, in Minnesota winters. Dead reliable, never broke, never failed until the body and frame pretty much returned to iron oxide and rust flake.
    I had to park it in 1992 when my seat dropped thru the floor and on closer inspection I discovered I could poke holes in my frame rails with a hammer.
    Ended up selling the 22R motor for $500 bucks and junking the rest.

  • @MikeyB00o
    @MikeyB00o Před 6 měsíci +1

    Nice to see them finally getting their shit together, if only I could get my 06 Taco fixed...

  • @IndependenceOverland
    @IndependenceOverland Před 8 měsíci +4

    Can’t wait to see what you do with a Tacoma!

  • @stevendouglas6593
    @stevendouglas6593 Před 8 měsíci +3

    To be fair to Toyota, EVERY vehicle in the salt belt rusts. I don’t know if Toyota is worse than any other manufacturer. I follow South Main Auto on CZcams and 5 year old Chevys in his shop are pretty much ready for the crusher due to rust. I guess not much goes wrong with Toyotas, so the fact that they rust, like every other vehicle, stands out.

  • @edroosa2958
    @edroosa2958 Před 7 měsíci

    In 1990 I had an 86 small 2WD pickup and it ran like a top when the rear shocks/suspension went up through the box due to corrosion in the early 90’s. It was an upstate NY vehicle

  • @gago-ey9bo
    @gago-ey9bo Před dnem

    Interesting opinion about the front differential. However, I’m not sure it is correct.
    300-series Land Cruiser GR sport comes with a front locker. There are actually 2 separate front differential parts for that car, one with locker and one without. This is assuming the LX600 /LC300 and 3rd gen Tundra share the design of the differentialI, which I think they do. I almost bought the front diff with a locker from a Toyota dealer in UAE.

  • @chenglee3768
    @chenglee3768 Před 7 měsíci +1

    A Big Thanks for a great Informations..

  • @kellstat
    @kellstat Před 8 měsíci +1

    If you have a buddy(Chris) with a 200 series, my many requests for more info on the 200's suspension should make that more feasible. I know there's not the millions of 200's out there like tundra, Tacoma, FJ, and 4runners, but you have almost not shared any data on the 200's, or the 100's, especially how the IFS is similar or different from these others. Just putting in another request for some Land Cruiser R&D! Thanks for your work and sharing it.

    • @janeblogs324
      @janeblogs324 Před 8 měsíci

      I'm sure there are more 200s than all the other you mentioned combined

  • @stefan3225
    @stefan3225 Před 8 měsíci +8

    It was unfortunate Toyota didn’t do the right thing and replace FJC/4R/GX frames as well. I will have to do a frame swap on my GX if it’s gonna stay in the road another decade. Even using fluid film annually it was just too far gone by the time I noticed it.

    • @scott8238
      @scott8238 Před 8 měsíci +4

      Yeah they only lost the lawsuit for certain models and i wish they just did the right thing as well.

  • @dundeeecroc
    @dundeeecroc Před 8 měsíci +2

    on the frames and metal on Toyotas all about PROPER METALLURGY!!!!

  • @isaacsnarr6493
    @isaacsnarr6493 Před 7 měsíci

    Great video! I experienced some frame rust on my old Tacoma, hoping to purchase a 4th gen in the next couple of years and I’m very excited to see they’re taking the rust issue seriously

  • @hikeroutpost
    @hikeroutpost Před 6 měsíci

    I was at a local dealer in Canada and checked the inside of the frame in the new Tundra and there was no coating, it was bone dry. It’s possible the one you saw had coating applied by the dealer.

  • @UrbanOpsOffRoad
    @UrbanOpsOffRoad Před 8 měsíci +1

    Hell yeah! Here to learn 🙌🏻 keep up the good work Kai!

  • @kcm732
    @kcm732 Před 8 měsíci

    to add, it is nice that toyota used that same wax film on the inner fully boxed portions of the later model year 3rd gen tacomas/and gen 2.5 tundras, and probably later 5th gen 4runners too

  • @Rottingboards
    @Rottingboards Před 8 měsíci +1

    Thanks for this video, can you talk about the improvements over the years from 2022 to now for the Tundra.

  • @LinusScrubTips
    @LinusScrubTips Před 8 měsíci +7

    I feel like a proper yearly undercoating procedure would eliminate much of the frame rust.

    • @Doomzdayxx
      @Doomzdayxx Před 8 měsíci +1

      You would be 100% correct, but people are too lazy and/or stupid do do that, even every few years.

    • @Lordoftheflatbush
      @Lordoftheflatbush Před 8 měsíci

      No need to do this every year. Each 3 years is fine.

    • @LinusScrubTips
      @LinusScrubTips Před 7 měsíci

      @@Doomzdayxx I’ve heard the newer undercoat by PB blaster actually lasts 2 years. It seeps like fluid film but stick better when hit with water pressure.

    • @LinusScrubTips
      @LinusScrubTips Před 7 měsíci

      @@Lordoftheflatbush I think it depends on the product, mileage, weather, and wash interval.

    • @Lordoftheflatbush
      @Lordoftheflatbush Před 7 měsíci

      @@LinusScrubTipsi don’t think so. These cars rust protection is poor out of the factory. If this will become a problem depends on the region you live in. For Europe all of these trucks are rusted. I hate rusted cars. I am prepared to invest in maintenance and conservation of older trucks except when they are rusted. In Europe you cannot use cars without proper rust protection.

  • @criticalevent
    @criticalevent Před 8 měsíci

    I've never had a problem with the front hubs but it's nice to know they are even more reliable now. Unlike my Ford's vacuum actuated hubs that can be counted on to fail every couple of years at the worst time.

  • @jailbreakoverlander
    @jailbreakoverlander Před 8 měsíci +1

    Well done

    • @jailbreakoverlander
      @jailbreakoverlander Před 8 měsíci

      and of course first example is a Massachusetts Truck. I feel that pain.

  • @baron1c
    @baron1c Před 8 měsíci +4

    With regard to the cam bolts, the dissimilar metals will have galvanic corrosion. And be just as big of an issue as the old rusty ones. I would rather have the old ones and put anti seize on them

  • @miketee2444
    @miketee2444 Před 8 měsíci +3

    I suspect Toyota avoided a front locker to keep all the oil and pieces off the ground. Most don't have a clue the stresses put on a driveline when grippie tires and physics start working against your new ride.

  • @kc83061
    @kc83061 Před 5 měsíci

    With the new aluminum inner bushing sleeve I would expect to see galvanic corrosion between the steel bolt and and aluminum bushing sleeve, unless it is thoroughly coated.

  • @Scottstunts
    @Scottstunts Před 7 měsíci

    I live in Southern California desert. I currently own a 88 4Runner, 92 4Runner, 06 Tundra and 2020 Tundra. None of them have any rust.

  • @dannyeugenewaits9486
    @dannyeugenewaits9486 Před 8 měsíci

    Crazy as it seams, my 1995 4 runners frame is in fantastic shape (260k miles) I lived in Eastern Montana than, my 2006 tacoma (160k) at 90k had the frame replaced thankfully under the recall,I lived in Wisconsin than, I currently have a 2017 tacoma and its doing fantastic! But I live in Eastern Montana again! Im going to wait for the new 4runner to be released and purchase it, and yes I still own my 1994 4runner and my 06 Tacoma, i just cant part with them!!😅 my 4runner is my daily driver going to work.

  • @dnlmachine4287
    @dnlmachine4287 Před 6 měsíci

    I could be wrong, but I recall reading that some manufacturers may stop giving corrosion warranty on vehicles sold in certain areas. Canada vehicles rust, period. Every single pickup truck has rusted rear wheel arches. As other viewers have stated, the wax/oil coating is best, the sooner the better. Inside the frame especially, even on cars and SUVs. Any vehicle I work on that has an oil leak, the metal fasteners, joints, seams etc in the leaky area are in better condition than the "clean" areas.
    Stay gold.

  • @MrLM002
    @MrLM002 Před 8 měsíci +1

    I just wish they offered the new 2 Door Tacoma with a manual. Something I think they didn't focus group for was the take rate of the manual for private citizens buying the 2 door.

  • @KrayzKloverz
    @KrayzKloverz Před 8 měsíci

    I just had to cut the cam bolts out of my 2013 Tundra and can confirm it is a massive PITA!
    Let's hope this new design holds up better!

  • @appleztooranges
    @appleztooranges Před 8 měsíci +3

    Spray it down with Salt Brine than give it a few days. Should be the real testing like we do in New England

  • @xXBurntBaconXx
    @xXBurntBaconXx Před 8 měsíci

    FINALLLLY Someone who agreees with me! I'm from Vancouver Canada, and techa don't agree with me about how shit Toyota trucks are because of the rust. Some Alberta mechanics do, but almost every truck have rust issues. I'm so glad I found your video on the rust issue, what causes it, and improvments.

  • @gqp4800
    @gqp4800 Před 8 měsíci

    My 05 matrix was built in Canadia. Built for Canadia. Undercoated,not any rust on my car, none!

  • @tiny_the_200
    @tiny_the_200 Před 8 měsíci +6

    Great info! …and unfortunate info about the likelihood of a front locker coming to those two vehicles. On the 2nd Gen Tundra, there was at least one person that swapped over the 200 series front diff and center full time transfer case parts. He thought it dramatically improved his driving experience 🤓 I wonder if there there would be any compatibility between the new Tundra and 300/LX diff?

    • @TinkerersAdventure
      @TinkerersAdventure  Před 8 měsíci

      I wouldn’t personally do that, but hey, this type of projects are what enthusiasts do :)

  • @shaun8256
    @shaun8256 Před 7 měsíci

    I've seen more than my share of steel bonded to aluminum and aluminum corrodes just as much as steel! Biggest issue anymore is the use of recycled steel. Good presentation bro! Problem we have with today's automobiles is they are built with the minimum amount of quality that they can get away with! Their focus has been too much towards the gadgets put in, along with turning everything into plastic to save cost where they can. All these sensors everywhere that fail on a daily, K.I.S.S.!!

  • @KurNorock
    @KurNorock Před 8 měsíci

    I think the biggest problem with 2nd gen tundras is the ultra flexible frame. It wobbles so much that the need will colide with the cab in some offroad situations.
    It also causes some incredibly harsh vibration when driving on concrete roads. Or at least it does for about half of them. The other half don't have that issue, and nobody, including Toyota, seem to know why.
    Makes me want to fully box and reinforce my frame to stiffen it up.

  • @joefries7046
    @joefries7046 Před 7 měsíci

    As someone who has worked at a toyota dealer since 2014 they havent really had rust issues in many years. live before i was there

  • @Zednix
    @Zednix Před 8 měsíci +1

    Its a shame these new trucks are incredibly expensive in Canada. I would love to get a new Tundra.

  • @edgemontautoservice4987
    @edgemontautoservice4987 Před 8 měsíci +2

    legendary info! great videos.

  • @davidt8438
    @davidt8438 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Who says the rust problem is fixed? This is a new design that they HOPE will stop rusted frames. Maybe it works but let’s not get so excited until 5 - 10 years passes and then we’ll know if it worked.

  • @PhilipBlank
    @PhilipBlank Před 8 měsíci

    Wow mate! What an awesome in-depth review of these details, love the chassis CAD, curious you were able to get your hands on that!

  • @brianb.2857
    @brianb.2857 Před 8 měsíci

    Great video. Good to see these much needed improvements to the Tacomas.

  • @starydwumas7481
    @starydwumas7481 Před 7 měsíci

    Most mechanic services cut angle bolts because its way faster and you can repair car right away.
    I replaced my front bushing on 2004 Lexus IS, it took me 3 days spraying many things and heating this up, smashing hammer until bolt came out. When I put my Lexus to mechanic for rear wishbone replacement with geometry adjusting they simply cut bolts off because for them its way faster and new bolts arent so expensive.

  • @TeensierPython
    @TeensierPython Před 8 měsíci +10

    I just can’t believe how expensive these trucks are. It’s insane.

    • @Moon222
      @Moon222 Před 8 měsíci +2

      2 years ago, GM shareholders were told they increased profits by replacing materials (prolly plastics instead of aluminum) and simply raising prices.
      Pretty sure that is what all car manufacturers did.

    • @mails5054
      @mails5054 Před 8 měsíci +2

      @@Moon222 i agree, jeep wrangler has aluminum now even. God it went from a 35k vehicle to 50k

    • @tundrav8georgia
      @tundrav8georgia Před 8 měsíci

      Yes going rate

  • @PatrickRich
    @PatrickRich Před 8 měsíci +4

    Great stuff as always! Toyota should offer a Torsen LSD in the front of the Tacoma. They love putting torsen in things and with ATRAC a Torsen would be darn close to having a locker while still retaining turning and reducing gear breakage concerns with a front locker. Plus it has gofast cred.

  • @bmwmsport11
    @bmwmsport11 Před 8 měsíci +1

    go to any used car dealer in the rust belt and look at a Toyota truck next to a domestic brand of the same year/similar miles. The Toyota always ends up having more rust on it. I look at used Rams and Fords and can’t believe how much cleaner they are under. They aren’t rust free but they don’t rust as much. Glad Toyota has been making changes but will still be a few years before we can see how they hold up. Toyota bodies have always held up well to rust since the 2nd gen it’s just the frames that suck. Owned a 2014 and 2018 won’t own again until I see improvements.

    • @michaelwright1602
      @michaelwright1602 Před 7 měsíci +1

      I was finding 2014's Toyota and Lexus models with holes in the frame rails you could put your fist through... I started seeing that and scratched Toyota and Lexus off my buy list. Damn shame too, actually pissed me off.

  • @CanadianOffroad4x4
    @CanadianOffroad4x4 Před 8 měsíci

    Hey! Stop teasing! Get that 4th gen!
    Cant wait! Wool wax/fluid film hands down. Get salts gone to completely remove and rinse the frame to ensure better bonding n lasting.
    Keep it coming Tinker!

  • @Sam-dq7ws
    @Sam-dq7ws Před 7 měsíci

    Don't like the new inflation truck prices but do love my 24 Tundra Pro and new Terra color !

  • @QuackHunter91
    @QuackHunter91 Před 8 měsíci +1

    there is a simple fix, grease the bolts when you install them from the factory. The frames rot from the inside out from sand and dirt collecting and holding moisture, go back to ladder frames or have no holes in the fully boxed frames. Water is a liquid and drains, water is not the problem.

    • @tobization
      @tobization Před 7 měsíci

      Exactly what I was thinking.

  • @tacomas9602
    @tacomas9602 Před 7 měsíci

    The new frame is kind of scary at first being fully boxed, but the 2nd and 3rd gen tacomas while theyre open c channel its laminated thin pieces of steel and it gets really complex and prone to trapping moisture and rust right from the driver seat and forward. At the same time, the Tacoma 1G and early pickups (with frames that more resemble the 4G) did rust badly but they are FAR easier to keep clean *if* and i mean *IF* you start with a healthy frame.
    If i ever get a 4G, id probaly drill out the drain holes to double or triple their size on a couple. I would also invest in a gallon of fluid film or more.

  • @cormblue
    @cormblue Před 8 měsíci

    As a East Coast Toyota/Mercedes technician, the only vehicles I know that escape the corrosion aren't made of metal ;)

  • @JamesSmith-zs8fl
    @JamesSmith-zs8fl Před 8 měsíci +1

    Excellent content. As always!

  • @THX5000
    @THX5000 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Salting of roads is a huge problem. There is NO need to put salt on the roads.

  • @ateamoffroad
    @ateamoffroad Před 8 měsíci +1

    Where's the full video for that double breakage at 7:44?

  • @daphoneguy934
    @daphoneguy934 Před 8 měsíci +1

    If only the next gen Tacoma had extended cab entry doors!

  • @PeterHernandez-lg2eh
    @PeterHernandez-lg2eh Před 8 měsíci +1

    Just found this. Very informative.

  • @Jack-ns5mn
    @Jack-ns5mn Před 8 měsíci +1

    That waxy coating doesn't stop much rust on the GM trucks. Just comes off.

  • @evanfinley2198
    @evanfinley2198 Před 8 měsíci

    sweet.. i had a 2007 toyota tacoma rust bucket.. so glad i got rid of it

  • @trailrunnah8886
    @trailrunnah8886 Před 8 měsíci +1

    All these sound good, but honestly I still wouldn't trust a Toyota frame as far as I could throw it when it comes to corrosion resistance. If I bought one of these I would still have it sprayed annually. The holes in the frame are a nice touch, is it advisable to drill some holes in an earlier frame that does not have them?

  • @wyo203
    @wyo203 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Won’t the aluminum sleeve with steel bolt be susceptible to galvanic corrosion?

  • @korndawggy1801
    @korndawggy1801 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Alot of GM and Ford frames are rotting too but they aren't saying or doing anything about it.

  • @roadglide1142
    @roadglide1142 Před 8 měsíci +2

    Putting the ADD inside of the differential is great until it fails 😮! Kinda like putting the starter inside of a V8 engine like they’ve done before! 😂

    • @mails5054
      @mails5054 Před 8 měsíci +1

      or dont forget my jeep wranglers oil filter housing, shoved in between the two Vs of the engine that is plastic (::::::::::::::::

  • @sholderu
    @sholderu Před 5 měsíci

    Fantastic job! Do you know if any of these rust-inhibiting features you mentioned in this video carry over to the new Lexus GX 550?

  • @leardi58
    @leardi58 Před 8 měsíci +2

    Can you do a video on rust prevention thank you

  • @sandystanley1237
    @sandystanley1237 Před 8 měsíci

    We were looking to wait for the 2024 Tacoma but in light that it only came with a: push button start stop (no keyed ignition), a stupid electric parking brake we decided to pass. And the lack of a naturally aspirated motor wasn't a inspiration

  • @petejansen7220
    @petejansen7220 Před 7 měsíci

    Steel bolt through aluminum bushing that would be a total disaster with dissimilar metals that will really rust and seize. Rust problems greatly reduced by using rust preventive products like for example rust check or krown ,is a must if you live in snow areas that use sand and salt on the roads.

  • @Lordoftheflatbush
    @Lordoftheflatbush Před 8 měsíci

    Totally agree, Toyota/Lexus trucks are very receptive to rust and these truck have very poor rust protection. Had to invest a lot to protect my LX470.

  • @edroosa2958
    @edroosa2958 Před 7 měsíci

    Sadly my 2002 Tacoma had to taken off the road due to frame rot. It ran like a top but the frame was not safe anymore. It spent ten years in TN and ten years or so in upstate NY. I got $700 for it “as is” and hopefully the engine and Transmission will be used elsewhere.

  • @user-qt7pj5kt1o
    @user-qt7pj5kt1o Před 8 měsíci

    @TinkerersAdventure unrelated to the video you could expand your shift knobs to a larger market with the Jeep segment.

  • @hedydd2
    @hedydd2 Před měsícem

    Aluminium and steel will certainly react and seize together. Indeed in the presence of salty moisture the aluminium will become a sacrificial anode. Also why do they not wax all black painted chassis components externally as well as internally and plug all external wall holes in the box sections that are anywhere near the tyre splash and spray areas?

  • @comradeyuri8492
    @comradeyuri8492 Před 8 měsíci

    Amazing ! It took Toyota 20 YEARS to remedy their rust problems? The haters say the D3 vehicles are not built well but frames rusting out, WTF !

  • @HelplmAlive
    @HelplmAlive Před 8 měsíci

    Had to cut the alignment bolts on my 5th gen 4Runner. PITA

  • @HighCountryDirtBiking
    @HighCountryDirtBiking Před 8 měsíci

    I can’t wait to see your videos on the GX550 :)

  • @hemusbull
    @hemusbull Před 7 měsíci

    Wow, great video from an engineering point of view!

  • @user-ys7uo4fw3h
    @user-ys7uo4fw3h Před 6 měsíci

    I’m from Massachusetts doesn’t surprise me

  • @johncole3010
    @johncole3010 Před 3 měsíci

    Makes me think Chrome moly greasable cam bolts are the way

  • @driftergonewild
    @driftergonewild Před 8 měsíci

    This guys videos makes me wanna buy the new tundra !

  • @FreedomAtRisk
    @FreedomAtRisk Před 8 měsíci

    Had alignment bolt issue with 2015 T4R with 120k miles in mountain/snow environment... replaced LCA and other parts

  • @JB-he1jt
    @JB-he1jt Před 8 měsíci

    Nice upgrades.... living in California and Arizona you don't see anything like that!! ✌️

  • @legiitxlara
    @legiitxlara Před 8 měsíci

    I live in AZ so I rarely see rusted Tacomas around here