Conroy Speaks On Trade With Vegas
Vložit
- čas přidán 5. 07. 2024
- Flames general manager Craig Conroy speaks on acquiring Daniil Miromanov, a conditional 2025 first round pick and a conditional 2025 third round pick from Vegas in exchange for Noah Hanifin.
- Sport
Henderson Silver Knights season ticket holder here. We loved Pickles and Miro. Glad to see them both getting a chance to extend their games in Calgary.
We will do our best to beat the crap out of Edmonton for you all! We gotta keep William Karlsson healthy, he seems to be McDouchebag’s kryptonite!!!
Thanks for your insight! I’m excited. It appears the Flames are almost holding auditions for next year on the D core which is interesting.
Seems ?
He is. He locked him up last year.
Go Knights! (via Flames fan) 😄👍
Based
Everyone kinda overreacting, give it some time before we bash Conroy. So far the trades he’s made haven’t been bad, we still have lots of great players and now he’s bringing in lots of future assets. This is exactly how you do a retool and I’m loving the direction of the team, it seems like we actually have a direction now as opposed to just “believing in the core” and hoping things will work out each year
Anyone bashing Conroy is either delusional, or just don't know much about the NHL. He's gotten good return on every move he's made. I think people are suffering from the recency bias of Hanifin's past 30 or so games. His average over the past few seasons is much more mundane, and actually the last couple of games have been pretty awful. The Flames unloaded him and the perfect time.
@@trevorlambert4226 They sound like they don’t understand how traded deadline works. The team that selling send player to team that are making a run. The way they think is that we get a roaster player from them in return. Where that doesn’t happen most of the time, they want to add not resend someone on roster back. I think it is a surprise to them, because the Flamrs haven’t done this before and some maybe to young . That how I see it. I hate those bashing Conroy. We need to give him a chance to put a stamp on this team. It will take time, bit it sounds like they don’t have the patience.
Well said 👏
In Conroy we trust 🙏
Conroy is stacking up on picks, he's gonna get well under the cap , later on stack up on players and have major trade leverage for a re-tool . Im a Canucks fan ....Calgary is starting to worry me.
It's not a re tool tho. It's a full on rebuild, with some questionable picks. The Vegas pick will likely be a 20-28 not a top 10. And that second, could easily become a third.
The flames did what they always do.. Pushed for a playoff spot. Fell short. And now will miss the opportunity to pick high. We won't be a threat for another 4-6 years.
@@Podcastforthewin No, it isn't a full rebuild. Conroy himself said he is going to "retool on the fly".
@@PodcastforthewinHow tf do you figure Calgary is getting a top 10 pick in the 1st round in return with a trade? No team in a non-playoff spot is ever trading 0:05 their 1st round pick. Jeeezuzzzzz man. Ffs
@@LoneTurtle10 what exactly would you say is the structural design of this team? What tools are they adding to call this a retooling?
@@jasondousett3620 when you have to build a team that downs have a number one center, it's not a retool it's a rebuild. You build around a center, forwards, defence and goalie. What parts are we retooling? The flames do not have an elite player on this team.
Be honest. They made a push for a playoff spot, they failed, now they are at a point where they are losing uFas in the offseason, Inc Markström.
So, a re tool would be adding pieces for the next year and making a push for the playoffs)
A rebuild would be selling off assets to gain picks to begin the process of a new structure. And in doing so, you have to have building blocks. This team lacks building blocks. So, they will have to go through the pains of a couple. More bad years if they want to rebuild. Higher picks.
He might have said he's retooling, but that's not what's happening.
LHD Grushnikov, Jurmo
RHD Brzustevicz, Miromanov
Plus we still have Poirier, Morin, Solo, and Kuznetsov
The return for Hanny was a bit underwhelming, but you gotta admit that the D prospect stable is looking fairly decent 💪🏼🔥
In Conny we trust
Don’t you mean In Corny we Trust? Funny that’s what oilers fans was saying about Holland too. In Holland we Trust, and then Holland signed Nurse to 9.75 million and signed Campbell to 5x5 and traded Yamamoto and Kostin to sign Mr 0 Goals Connor Brown
@@canadasugardaddysugardaddy1797 he’s taken a pretty sound approach thus far, with respect to both to both the relative short-term as well as the future… I have no reason to believe that wouldn’t continue
I heard an interesting take: If Vegas knocks off the Oilers in the playoffs with Hannafin's help, then it's worth it. hahaha
I was thinking that also, traded everyone in division to try and stop them, I’m good with sending Markstrum to kings just to stack it even more lol
Unpopular take : I'd rather see the Oilers win and take the cup back to Canada if nothing else. Might fire up the boys we got here in Calgary too
@@meme_ajinNO. Screw the Coilers 💩. The LAST thing we need is for them to win and constantly rub it in our faces. Besides, they’re not a cup contender anyway. They will NEVER win a cup either McDoofus and Dry-Saddle.
@@meme_ajin absolutely never, I will gladly cheer for every single team before I ever cheer for the oilers, I would gladly cheer for Tampa Bay if they had zero Canadians on their roster before I ever cheer for an oiler team
if markstrom goes to the kings, edmonton would sweep them. i love marky but he doesn't play well against edmonton@@kelseywalker2342
All you armchair GMs have no idea what else was on the table.
Clearly he rejected Charlie McAvoy, 2 1st round picks and a steak dinner from Ray Bourque's restaurant.
Yea bro congrats on getting a late first and a 2nd at best. Shoulda traded him in the offseason but the delusion that this mid ass team can still compete was there.
@@michaelb5119 He was getting low balled hard in the offseason. Reports were saying teams were not even offering 1st round picks
I'm more of a shower GM so I don't feel like this comment applies to me.
I absolutely know Calgary received less than Philadelphia did for Walker. Two players who are not even close to equal. THAT WAS ON THE TABLE from ALL CHAIRS!
THE FLYERS RECEIVED A FIRST in the YEAR 2025 (conditional on the fact that 2025 happens! No more!) AND RYAN JOHANSEN (with 50% off the 50% off Colorado was paying him from Nashville!) for Scott Walker!
HANIFIN is 1) significantly younger 2) significantly more experienced 3) A LOT BETTER
Vegas is only paying 25% of that bargain 4 million contract!
You THINK Vegas is likely to NOT trade the 2025 1st round pick that ‘would’ve’ gone to Calgary in the next 48 hours?
Ryan Johansen was a burden at 4 million FOR Colorado…..barely. Would he be a burden on Calgary for HALF that!? Calgary having to play Yegor at Center? That Calgary?
Ryan Johansen - noted awesome teammate at a discount of a discount who has had luck that can only be described as CALGARIAN in a cup final leg injury; followed by a Western Final skate to the leg?
STILL CAME BACK and LOOKED GREAT. Colorado thought highly enough to give Nashville a pre-Yuked Galchenyuk.
He was great for Columbus and a crucial part of the Predators best seasons. Colorado would have loved for him to be a second wing center like Kadri. Actually they would have been cool keeping him as just that BUT here comes Casey Mittelstadt!
Calgary had ‘sorry Yegor. Please play center’. Colorado has ‘Casey Mittlestadt’
Regardless of HANIFIN > Walker AND 2015 > 2015(🤞🏻)
CALGARY could use what was less than optimal for Colorado’s 2nd line at half price!
Sit in that armchair.
Conroy's doing good work!
Yes!! Conroy the scout-gm. This man knows
The issue with trading at the deadline is you won't get premium on return because winning teams need to keep them. Glad we got picks and didn't end up in a johnny again
Should've traded johnny for asset, would still make the playoffs and probably get knocked out the 1st round. Instead of getting destroyed by the Oilers.
Hanifin was worth a bit more in my opinion but Calgary has some future now and the guy deserves a shot at the cup with a real contender. Wish hanifin the best he’s a great skater and competitor
Мироманов-отличный,большой защитник.С отличным броском ,катанием и навыками в нападении.Отличный вариант парни! Поздравляю Калгари.Правильный вариант.Три недели назад писал в комментариях об этом трейде. Рад , что прислушались)))
Hope he works out! Same with Grushnikov.
The guy wasn’t going to stay here anyway. We still got a first, a prospect and possibly a second. They’re not going to throw the kitchen sink for hanifin
26 is a not a prospect sorry
The "prospect" is a 26 year old tweener who is also a pending UFA.
@@kolanos signed to a 2 year extension
It's a good return on an expiring contract.
I was expecting a much better return. However I had a similar feeling about the Toffoli and Zadorov trades and would later go on to eat my words. I hope this is the same situation... I have a feeling it is. Ive been impressed with Conroys patience, and have faith this was the best return out there given Noahs agent really limiting the market for a trade. Excited to see where the Flames go from here! 😃
Vegas core is getting older if the pick goes to 2026 it’s unprotected and could end up being a solid pick
Not thrilled that the pick is potentially so far away but I trust everything that Conny’s doing. He’s brought in so many picks, been active on the waiver wire, made multiple trades for guys that he knew he wasn’t going to re-sign.
Love everything he’s doing
Great job Connie!! Now take a breather well deserved and thanks for getting rid of the players who wanted out and not letting any pull a Johnny on us..
This was a good return Conny! Some of these players you scooped with these picks may turn out to be something.
I’m really trying to be happy with this trade but I just can’t
Hanafins agent is most likely to blame
@eloc Right on. Hanfins camp really handcuffed the flames.
Well,,, it is an underwhelming trade for sure but on the other hand there was a possibility that Hanifin could have pulled his no trade clause and walked away leaving the Flames with zero.
Hanifin was the best UFA on the block before the trade deadline and thats all well and good but if the bidding for him as a rental is just not materializing then you have to make the best of it and take the best package offered.
So the best package was not so hot. Shit happens.
He only had an 8 team no trade which would have had to have been submitted ages ago, so he couldn't block to any team outside the 8 - his agent did the Flames dirty though and applied a ton of pressure to try to pigeon hole them beyond the 8 team no trade.
From Vegas, thanks Consy!! Hanifin is a beast and will shore up our D. Hate to lose Miro, he will be a solid d man for a long time I believe. Go Knights Go!
Conroy is an awesome GM, who got back a lot of picks and players - for UFAs that were not going to stay.
By the time the new arena is built, the Flames will be a contender again.
I think we will be in a good position next year and the year after.
Was really expecting the return on Hanifin to include a well known , 20 year old , blue chip prospect. All these 1st round picks are nice , but they’re all going to be in the 23rd to 30th pick range. This has quickly turned into a rebuild rather than a re-tool imo ... and with a lot of low , first round picks that may not amount to anything.
No body is paying a well known, young, blue chip prospect for a 2 month rental. Mayne if hanifin wanted to work with the flames.. but his agent made it clear that wasn't happening.
This guy is bringing back 2013 vibes
The Calgary Flames should not trade anyone else for a year. Saying that, they should resign Troy Stecher to a 2 year contract if he becomes available.
At least they got a 1st and basically a 2nd, Hanifin shafted Conroy and he had to take what he was offered
Yeesh, right about “these deals are hard”, even to witness 😢
This has been a great "Madden NHL Manager 2024" week.
Decent deal considering he wasnt gonna re-sign with us anyways. We dont want to get Gaudreau'ed again and let him walk for nothing.
In Conroy We Trust
What should we have got?
I know it's not CALLE JARNKROK. but what can we get
Treliving established the gold platinum titanium standard with CALLE JARNKROK. best trade ever. 3 picks for CALLE JARNKROK..
Don’t forget about a 1st and 2 2nds for Travis hamonic
At least they got something
Rough deal, first one I haven't really bought into with Conny.
If a couple of his many first rounders turn out to be good NHL players or trade bait for good players then he did well , its just too early to really know .....besides none of the departing players were going to sign ...the flames need players who are signed to contracts, players who are on entry-level deals and signed players that are soon to be be RFA and are willing to resign.
plus the flames are going to get worse before they are better and be near the bottom of the league
Mirmanov shoulder surgery , ACL problems 26 years old & played 29 NHL games . Man we got fleeced .😡😡😡
The way Conny's been gunning for first-round picks, I can't help but wonder if he's hoping to draft Tij Iginla.
I would. He probably wants his kid because if he inna flames uniform iggy will be happy and flames fan because his dad is the best flames to ever play
Kinda sad that's the state of the team. Relying on 17 yr old undrafted players.
@Nickh4929 not really it just the player they want because look at how good his dad was of they don't get him then they will get someone else
None of you know about the prospect. A Vegas 2026 first could potentially be a lottery pick. A 2nd/3rd has value. This is the same value as chychrun and boumeester. Fans are so silly expecting more for a ufa rental that Vegas doesn’t have the money to sign. A first a second and a prospect for a dude testing FA in a few months. Stop crying.
I think that the league as a whole has started a trend where GMs and the media have fallen into a mindset that picks are a valueable way of keeping score in the trade deals. Too much emphasis on the quantity instead of the quality.
A deal gets done and kudos are given to GMs because they got a handful of 4 and 5 round picks as though those picks help justify the deal .
Its like picks after the 1st round are displayed as tokens of winning when in reality they are the saddest kind of longshot pretending to be a brilliant bargaining chip.
Like trinkets.
I blame the media more than the GMs really. The media are always trying to make a story where none exists so they flap their gums about who won the most useless picks to try to pretend that its an integral factor in keeping score of a GMs prowess.
You cant quantify the value of a 3,4,5th round pick. Most of them will not play in the NHL ever. Thats a fact.
I find it extremely amusing that all the big talk of Conroy wanting a 1st, a roster player and prospects at minimum BUT then he only gets a 1st, no roster player and a journeyman 26 year old AHLer that Vegas didn’t want to resign. If the flames wanted a 26 year old AHLer, they should have just resigned Matthew Phillips. At least Phillips has more upside LMAO
Playoffs did he say playoffs? I just hope we have a team after this missed postseason again
What you mean have a team? are they leaving the city?
Let me get this straight, they got a journey man AHLer that is 26 year old that Vegas didn’t want to resign and was basically a throwaway player in the deal. If he was so coveted, you would think Boris would have made it to the nhl by now. Face it, Connie got Conned once again just like he did in the Tanev deal
you clearly don't understand no one is paying a first rounder for a 32 year old dman without the flames taking a huge salary dump that's why they didn't take it Conroy wants to be younger and have alot of cap space
Yeet
DENVER can I have that 2025 First Round Pick please? Hey and we’ll be happy to take Ryan Johansen!
He’s signed for ANOTHER year, you say!? But you will retain HALF of the HALF retained by Nashville!? Are you taking advantage of me Denver?
I don’t want to screw this up and find myself stuck in the Mittelstadt. OH SNAP. Is that why!? Ooohhh Rocky Mountain high! Look at you guys!
Or would you rather have the older, less accomplished, less talented Scott Walker? I’m sure gonna miss Noah and I’d really like to not have him in my division, retain the majority of his salary that COULD be spent on Johansen. We could play our friend Yegor on the Wing again! 2025 MEANS 2025 right? Ryan Johansen is a steal for us! Philly will not even appreciate him. We KNOW you like Ryan the same way we like Noah. Let us take him on a playoff run.
🙁
Conroy, gambling on the future
Conroy did well Trading Forwards Toffoli & Lindholm, but not so well on the 3 D-Men we lost in Zadorov, Tanev and Hanifin
Zadorov is mid. Tanev is old and a injury liability. Hanny likely fucked us with the news getting out that he wanted to leave. Conroy has done well. And if these picks and players pan out then I say he's done great.
@@meme_ajinnot to mention Zad wanted out, we're lucky we didn't have to pay a pick for someone to take him lol
Somebody buy Craig another black vest
Brutal trade
Brutal take
Good trade.
@@meme_ajin cope harder. Late first rounder + second at best + a throw in dman. No prospects. Shoulda traded him in the off season everyone and their mother knew he wasn't coming back and that this team is mid.
@@michaelb5119 Yeah that would be worst. What offseason before the draft? He was a UFA and that would be worst to let him go without return in picks.
@@andrewsick9003 what are you even saying? They shoulda traded him last off-season and whoever got him got the full final year of his contract. Idk what you're saying about him being a Ufa his contract expires at the end of this year.
CaLgary fLames
Great work Craig. Hanafin is soft, doesn't hit, doesn't block shots, always comes out of the corner empty handed. Likes to fish around with his stick rather than check. Spent a lot of time fishing the puck out of our net too.He's like diet Bouwmeester, but way dumber. Gets burnt A LOT. Take the 1st (whatever year) and laugh.
Brace yourselves Flames' fans, its going to be a long rebuild.
Should’ve started last year
We’re bad again
I think it was a bad deal
I think it was an average deal
🤨
Not a good return, at least should not have been moved to another team in the same division. Should have shipped him off to a team he didn't want to goto to return the favor for the handcuffing CGY.
Not a good take.
Who cares who we help...its about our team and getting what we could...not a fan of the rade but to make deal out of spite is as dumb as suggesting it
Calgary is turning into team Russia. Is it because no other nationality wants to play here?
Surely it has nothing to do with Russia birthing some of the best hockey players on earth. Not saying these guys are the best but I'm sure you understand.
I think some people have forgotten how good Russians are, just because they’ve been banned from representing their country because all the world stage hockey tournaments are run by westerners with Muh-Russia-Hoax and Vodka-Man-Bad Russian derangement syndrome. Russians are the best hockey players on earth, second only to Canadians. Americans are third. Swedes and Finns are 4th and 5th. Losing a Canadian player for a Russian is the least of our worries.
@@meme_ajin^^^^
@meme_ajin Russian hockey players are also ussally big guys who can throw hits and calgary needs to be a team that can throw hits
Get rid of conroy before flames have no real players left just no name and picks that won’t help for years to come. Players don’t want to stay in Calgary that has no future to compete
So then who do you want as a GM? If you want Conroy gone.
@@andrewsick9003 anyone with experience but too late now he’s selling the roster can’t go back. Should have did something in October and November when the team was in a big slump now they can’t recover and will miss the playoffs by a few points again. Oilers were in the same boat but their gm pulled the trigger and now look at them off to the playoffs once again meanwhile our team is chasing and the roster is getting thinned out
@@keliauger8820 you probably don’t understand he was trading player that is not going to resign. I think other GMs will do the same. Even with experience will do the same. We are 7 points out and now we can get some in return . Now the question is what is he going to do in the offseason with all of assets and cap space. How he can sign player and make trades to get some real good players. I think he has a plan and we need to trust him.
@@keliauger8820use some critical thinking PLEASE. We traded away every pending UFA, all of which were NOT signing with us. You want to barely make playoffs just to lose in the first round and have all those players walk out for nothing?
@@Skynexstar I apologize I was a bit upset of the return for hannifin. The team is still solid when they want to be see how they handle themselves from here to mid April.
Horrible trade conroy
We got scammed bruh, I at least wanted David Edstrom or Daniil Chayka. Who tf even is Miromanov
Huge L
Brutal return. Starting to think Conroy is not a very good GM.
Brutal take
@@meme_ajin Henrique WITHOUT retention got the Ducks a first round pick. You're delusional if you think this is a solid return for the best defenceman on the trade deadline block.
You seriously think it’s Conroy’s fault for getting the best available deal? IF THERE WAS A BETTER DEAL HE WOULD’VE TAKE IT. He is trying to make our team as good as possible, he’s trying to clean up the DISASTER left by Treliving, and he’s trying to do the best he can while being constrained by upper management and ownership.
If you’d make a better GM then go ahead and apply for the position.
Oh, that’s right, you wouldn’t.
Literally take your mouth and shut it the FUCK up.
Moron detected. Opinion rejected.
What is brutal on the return. What would be a good trade for Conroy?
Flames get burnt on every single trade every single time!
Nah
@@JesusFriedChrist Says the Oiler fan?
Won the Sharangovich trade, Lindholm is even worse in Van then he was in Calgary. Both of those trades are looking good.
Tf u on Lindholm trade was great, sharangovich trade is working out pretty good, tanev is a 34 year old rental no way in hell were we gonna get a 1st for him grush is a good prospect, hanifin hand cuffed us and you win some you lose some but at least we got something for him treliving probably would’ve let 3/4 of those guys walk for nothing and vastly over paid one conroy has already done more for the future of this team than treliving did in 9 years
@Euphoric_Toast there is talk about lindholm being traded so flames definitely won
Fire Conroy now just awful trades he's not the GM to take the Calgary flames forward, he is destroying the flames, craig Conroy is out of his depth
Okay if you want to fire Conroy then who should be the GM? I want names.
Atrocious return.
Atrocious comment
We weren’t going to get anything better.
You know, maybe hiring the guy that learned from Jay Feaster and Brad Treliving wasn't the best idea. What a joke of a GM
It’s a solid trade?
You’re a joke.
Awful, awful return, edit undo
Awful take
@@meme_ajin a first not this year, so a mid 1st in 2025 or 26 that won’t be nhl ready by 2028, a no name player and throw away pick - absolute trash return
@inizilla_fk7 cry about it. It's rebuild season nerd
@@meme_ajin Ottawa and Buffalo would like to let you know how their 10 year rebuilds are going lmfao
@@inizilla_fk7 The exception does not make the rule.
Thank you Noah.
Conroy is a joke. The way the Flames have been playing after the All-Star break we don't need to be in a rebuild but he's putting us in one.
yes we do need to be in a rebuild look at last year this yesr has only been good because we traded two players who didn't want to play lindholm and Z This team needs one are we going be like the same as last year
No we dont because with our pace we could make playoffs and go on a deep run
@herbiegallagher8182 the flames aren't even in wildcard spot they wouldn't make it far they would be first round exits
Bye Bye Hanifin. Let's go Flames...🏒🏒🏒 🥅