REVIEW - Heusinkveld Sim Pedals Ultimate+
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- čas přidán 4. 06. 2024
- Heusinkveld are somewhat of a household name when it comes to high-end sim racing gear. Their Ultimate pedals have been in the market for the better part of a decade.
The recent release of the revised Ultimate+ pedals, as well as an upgrade kit for existing Ultimate owners sees the product refined further, with updated hardware as well as exciting new Smart Control software.
So let's take a look and see if these are the pedals for you!
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TIME STAMPS:
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0:00 - Intro
0:50 - Options & Pricing
1:25 - Brand Philosophy & Unboxing
6:45 - Common Design Elements
12:58 - What's new with Ultimate+
18:28 - Common Adjustments
22:32 - Common Throttle & Clutch Adjustments
27:38 - Clutch Adjustments
30:40 - Brake Hardware & Adjustments
39:13 - Maintenance
40:47 - Mounting & Pedal Plate
44:55 - Hardware First Impressions
50:20 - Smart Control Software
1:07:48 - iRacing Specific Calibration
1:09:45 - Driving Tests
1:18:15 - Conclusions
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I can't even afford a happy meal yet I'm still watching these videos. Pain.
I hear you!
😂😂😂😂
You captured all my attention with this excellent thorough review. Thanks.
Your contribution towards the sim racing community is definitely recognized.
Another terrific review, Will. Thanks for putting out the effort. I particularly liked your comparison. based on price, with the other pedal sets you've reviewed. That is immensely helpful. Thanks again.
I just upgraded my Ultimate's with the HE+ kit, bloody amazing feel and software.
I've been waiting for them to come back into stock. It sounds like an upgrade worth the price?
Also, I've been curious to know from others, is there more brake pedal movement with the upgrade kit or is that the same?
@@JoeJacksonGT3 I was using a full white stack before the change, currently using the full soft stack with the HE+ Kit with 80kg in calibration. The feel is a little firmer but definitely a lot smoother, trail braking feels more accurate with the software in cars like the 911Cup car.
@@jodybaldwin4864 can't wait for it to become available again
Just found the kit available in UK and grabbed it will be following the noted setup as also on full white
Just picked up an open box from microcenter all 3 pedals for $934 for the ultimates! The guy at microcenter even showed me them and said the guy returned them the same day and didn’t even install them on his rig
So awesome to see the channel grow so fast! I subbed at 32K and it’s blown up big the last 12 months! Congrats brother! Enjoy your success! Well deserved!
Thank you for your evaluation，I just received HEU + sim pedals today.
Hi Will, your vid helped to decide for my next pedalset. I bought Ultimate+ set :) Many thanks for your great vid!
I just got (Monday 7 March 2022) my Heusinkveld Ultimate+. Great review mate and thank you!
Sono indeciso tra Ultimate+ e Fanatec V3 Inverted (con Brake Performance Kit e il Damper sull'acceleratore.
Potresti darmi qualche consiglio?
@@Pawrcawddeo Ciao, non saprei perche' non ho mai usato prodotti Fanatec
ANOTHER excellent review Will...IMO nobody does them better.
I bought these pedals to upgrade from Fanatec V3's. I did have the tuning kit installed on the fanatec pedals and I have to say these are so realistic feeling. Well worth the price .
I also went to ultimate from V3 and immediately improved , in hindsight the V3 upgrade was a waste of money , overall i wasted too much on so called incremental upgrades from g25 upwards. Get a stiff frame first.
@@andrewfarquhar9083 that makes me feel very good, I just won a set of Ultimate +s to replace my dying v3s (which i bought the brake kit for). I have heard its like going from csl elite to dd in wheel terms, and I am very excited.
Great review. Detailed, comprehensible and straight to the point. I might upgrade my Fanatec V3s for the ultimates.
I love my Fanatec V3s and I can't imagine other pedals to actually give an advantage. But I want to try out the Heusinkvelds at SimRacingExpo next month so maybe I'll reconsider 😆
I did exactly that and there is a big difference between the two. Ultimates are probably the only sim hardware that actually improved lap times (and I've upgraded everything). Do it if you can afford to.
@@stephent2243 Well I think every load cell brake gives you an advantage over potentiometer brakes. The feeling for locking up feels perfect with the V3s, but I look forward to the comparison with a different load cell pedal set! 🙂
I have the V3s and my Ultimate+ are in the mail so will keep you posted
@@StraightRocketFuel please do. Looking forward for your take.
monday my delivery date watched this threw like twice great video
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Awesome video as usual Will 👍
It's interesting you brought up how much Heusinkveld is "for the love of sim racing" - seems like Boosted Media is in the same boat!
Great review. Thanks!
Hello "Soft" (on the smart program in brake) is max 100kg pressure and can t go up (even if you push 150kg pressure) so you must put it on "hard" to past 100kg of pressure ;) it s to prevent scratch on soft rubber :)
And on Iracing you must go in the calibrate file in Mydoc and put the calibration from 0 to 4095 if you don t do that and just calibrate in the game you will add dead zone from the program and from the game so have for exemple 5% plus 2% from the game... or you must calibrate with a profile with 0% dead zone and 30kg brake to have the range from 0 to 4095 in the game (but it will add dead zone too but from 0% and not from 5%) ;)
Just a little tick to use the range at it s maximum and use the superb program at it s max capacity ;)
Rubber stiffness is just a convenient setting i think, if you choose soft and try to change the max force in kg it can only go up 100kg and if you want the full 140kg then you have to choose hard rubber stiffness. I think it's just a way to stop people from having 140kg force on soft rubber. I know you can just choose hard even with soft but still.
Looks like Heusinkveld actually care about their customers unlike Fanatec if I ever upgrade pedals I think I know which brand I'd choose.
Great review, currently debating between these and the VRS pedals. Any plans to review the new VRS pedals?
Yep we should have some here later this year.
I’m soon to be in the market for an upgrade on the sim rig, and pedals are what I’m gonna get next. I’m also torn between these and the VRS set. I’ve watched both reviews through once, and also some reviews from others, and I think it’s making my choice even harder. Haha I’m sure I’ll be stoked on either in the end though. Cheers, and if you’ve made the leap on a set, let me know what you went with and your thoughts.
Great review !!! Should I regret buying the sprint and not spending more and get the ultimate plus instead !????? 🤔 I wonder how those two compare ??
Hi Will. Just want to say thanks so much for all your sim content. With the pandemic. I had no rallying to do so i took the next best thing which was sim rallying. I bought the csw 2.5 and fanatec v3s. I have watched all your video reviews on sim gear. I want to upgrade my v3s. Im torn between the bjs hydraulic pedals or these ultimate plus. I have a pedal set from tilton 6000 series in my rallycar. From the 2 pedal sets im thinking about. What would you recommend. Thanks again. Regards Paul
I’d choose these over the BJs.
@@boostedmedia thank you for your recommendation. I will go with the ultimate plus. 👍
@@boostedmedia and if we compare these with the srp? which would you choose?
Thx for the review, ordered Sprints because price and don't need that much braking power. I would like to see reviews for SimXperience GS-5 & G-Belt products if you have opportunity to review them :)
For speed, performance and driving experience would you pick these or the simtag hydraulics?
great video
What the best pedals and price difference between these, BJ Sim and Meca cup? And feel, quality to price ratio?
Did you leave the hard settings in for the brake? Not sure if I missed that
Is it worth upgrading to the ultimate+ if I already have the sprints? Is there enough increase in realism to justify it?
Hello,May I ask you Witch is better between Heusinkveld Ultimate+ and SIMTAG HYDRAULIC 2-PEDAL SYSTEM (RACER EDITION) Thank you.
What was the root cause of the click noise in the throttle and how did you get rid of it?
Are there any compatibility issues with these pedals not being recognized by games? I don’t always just play the top racing sims. I like forza a lot and the crew 2 even so I want to make sure it doesn’t have issue with the pedals being recognized or the hydraulic dampening being off.
They r recognized as a windows direct input device. They should work with any title
how does these pedals hold up to today's offerings? are there pedals out there better for the money?
How do you adjust side to side movement out ? my clutch has a lot of it?
@Boosted Media using your affiliate link to pick these up I was curious if I could use them with the G29 wheel until my new wheel base arrives!?
Yes you can.
Very good video once again!
May I ask how does it feel compare to the very expensive hydraulic pedals? The hydraulic feels wise …
Does it worth to upgrade from the sprint?
Thank you
This is covered in the video conclusions
@@boostedmedia thanks , watched again with subtitle 🤣 , got the answer from the hydraulic side but what about sprint ? If you don’t mind to answer
I haven’t tried sprints
@@waiinleong3782 I use the Sprints since April and am a hobby simracer since february. I also had the idea of upgrade to Ultimate, I took time to see the hydraulic options, and made a pass for Ultimates and ordered a Racewerk S1 Pro. I think, like many others, yes, it does worth
@@gaborszabo7810 I am thinking about hydraulic and I do not know which one to go for or much more reliable if I go for Ultimate + .
I wish someone can tell me more so I won’t pick the wrong one, they are expensive 🥺
Ever thought about leasing the sim rig? I'd pay to give it a good test run
Do you still use default rubbers like in the video?
They are amazing that's for sure lol
Hi Will. What’s your thoughts on these vs SRP pedal set? Mainly brake pedal?
Overall build quality is similar but these have a more heavy duty feel. I personally prefer these. But if you prefer a lighter pedal you may get along better with the SRPs.
@@boostedmedia thanks Will. I have the SRP GT pedals and have just started playing iRacing and really struggling with threshold braking in non ABS cars, locking up a lot. I think the smart control software could solve this issue
I don’t think smart control is a substitute for bad technique. No offence. When I did my VRS training in the Porsche cup car we discussed this snd my coach told me he doesn’t like using non linear curves on the brake.
It just takes practice. Have a watch of my review of the SRP pedals. Should give you some tips for calibration that might help.
@@boostedmedia I get your point, however I can do top tier lap times in other Sims with practice. 1.22.0 around brands hatch in ACC for example. So I think my technique is pretty good.
The issue with iRacing is there is no ability to adjust brake pressure as you can in all other Sims and I have seen many others adjust % braking in the iracing software to overcome this. The locking points come so early in the braking range, for me it’s not realistic and I’ve driven single seaters (F3) in real life with no problem with braking like I’m experiencing in iRacing 👍🏻
any way to use pedals like these with a playseat challenge?
Just bought these, clutch petal doesn’t work. Do you have any tips?
polyurethane cold forms. they've just used rubber instead. same reason OEM's dont use urethane in engine/suspension mounts.
is it possible to use them with the sprint pedals clutch?
Can you do the VRS pedals and review them against these now? :)
I’ve owned my Ultimates for more years than I can remember, certainly 5+ and I just ordered the upgrade kit.
I have however never understood why there is a damper on the throttle pedal. No idea what it’s supposed to be doing. I removed mine.
What about compare with SRP Pedals? Which one you consider better? Thanks
Build quality is on par but I prefer these in terms of the adjustability and feel. It’s probably down to subjective choice between the two.
@@boostedmedia Thanks for your answer.
Love the new pedals,, gotta say though I feel a load cell on throttle is a none starter for me,, I have never seen a throttle that needs that kind of response curve,, Yes to a damper for smoothness, but I’ve never had to apply huge pressure to get to max throttle,, lol,, unless you need emergency speed 🤪🤣😂,, again ,, clutch should be sprung, with a rock over mechanical systemI can’t see a load cell simulating that feeling unless it’s at the very end of the throw ,,,a sequential dual spring would give a better feeling ,, 👍👍👍. Clutch adjustments look fantastic ,, great review 🤓
Hey, the output of our clutch and throttle pedals is still based on travel, not force. We just use a small loadcell to measure that travel!
@@EnzoFazzi so how do you explain how a load cell measures the travel, when u set the pedals 2nd stage to be softer than the moment before the bite point. how does the load cell understand the drop in force is because your passing the bite point, and not letting off the clutch?
nvm i see now
What do u think in2023 hv ultimate still in competition ?
Does any pedal work with the dd2
I am here just for the Drum and Bass...
I would love to see a review of the Simtrecs. They look even better than the HE Ultimates but of course don't have the pedigree that HE does. Barry has a great review on them but he doesn't do comparisons. I would love to see you do that.
I’ll see what I can do.
@@boostedmedia Nice! Thank you that's all I can ask for. Have a great day!
@@boostedmedia Also thank you for your CSL DD reviews. Mine will arive tomorrow. I'm as excited as a kid on the day before christmas. Your early look made me choose the Boost Kit even though I don't like the upselling buisness tactic. I can't wait to finaly get rid of my old G29. It has done a great service for the last 4 years but I got really annoyed by it towards the end.
I still don’t quite understand - why bother using a load cell for the positional pedals (gas, clutch) when a hall sensor would achieve the same thing?
Because it achieves the same thing. May be cheaper to manufacture, more reliable, less prone to interference, etc. not sure of their exact reasoning.
Is it worth upgrading from the Ultimates to this?
I’d say the upgrade kit is worth it.
Great video!
Are there any plans on reviewing the VRS pedals?
Yep hopefully later in the year.
Why did they stick with 12 bit controller instead of 16 bit?
In my opinion 12bit is enough for pedals. I’ve tried numerous pedal sets that can connect via 12bit (usb) or 16bit via the SC2 analogue interface and there’s no discernible difference as far as I’m concerned.
@@boostedmedia Thank you :)
I was wondering if you have ever tried motion platforms that shake the whole cockpit and how does it differ from your current setup with seat mover. Is there ever a point where the seat mover kinda feels weird as it only moves you around and not the steering wheel? much thanks.
We’re in the process of testing a few currently. Reviews coming soon :)
@@boostedmedia Whoa, coincidence? I think not, haha. I'm looking forward to those. Imma keep an eye out for the vid, thank you!
I thought that you calibrated the pedals with smart control and then went into iRacing and calibrated the pedals there. Then you could use smart control to set the pedals with whatever curve you liked. Thats how I have been doing it with the sprints so not sure if its that they are different or I am doing it wrong or you are doing it wrong
That’s correct. As explained in the manual and the video, all you’re doing is telling iracing what the min and max are, all the smart control tweaks still apply as they are saved to the control module itself.
To be honest if they came wrapped in toilet paper in a grocery box and it saved me $'s I wouldn't care. Thinking very hard about getting these
Are simtag hydraulic blacks better?
This is covered in the video conclusions
Thanks. Was curious for other comments. Are you planning to review Simtrecs ProPedal GT?
Haven’t spoken to them yet. We have a few other pedal review to get through so it’s a while off if it happens :)
@@boostedmedia yes you did covered that in the video, but if you were asked to choose between these two pedals, regardless of price and maintenance, which one would you then choose? HE vs Simtag. Nice review by the way:)
I don’t think that’s a fair question because price and maintenance are an important part of the equation.
That said, right now if I could only keep one of the pedal sets I’ve reviewed it would probably be these. They tick every box for me and I don’t feel like hydraulic pedals add enough on top to justify the cost unless money really is no object. At least not the ones we’ve reviewed so far.
I have a set of HE pro's, worth the upgrade?
I’ll have to leave this one to people who have experience with pros.
Say it with me kids, "dampening" makes things wet, "damping" is a velocity sensitive energy absorber
Mine are sitting on my chair untouched.
You monster! Lol I'm still waiting for the upgrade kit to be back in stock and then I'll have to decide whether or not to get it (leaning heavily on heck yes).
@@ThingsAreGonnaGetSporty It's because I plan to invert them I just need the mount for it, it's practically useless right now.
@@rowdyruffian7980 Ouch, I feel your pain dude. When I built my rig I realized near the end that they added the wrong parts so I had to wait an extra week and a half for the parts to be shipped so I could finish building it. Having it just laying there while being 90% done sucked balls lol.
Why are the boxes as big as you
Cos I is smol
When pedals cost more than your house
Me looking at my bank account right now: it ain't safe for you out here bro!
Still don't really see anything that would make me want these over my SRP GTs. Anything with rubber bumpers feel like you're pushing rubber imho, even the hydraulic sim pedals.
So what to do to get rid of that rubber feel ?
How is SRP GT feeling the rubber ?
@@lambossracing1582 There's no rubber. You are compressing air in the cylinders. The brake has a light metal spring just so the pedal returns, can feel it a little bit but they don't have that rubber, squishy feel other pedals do. The only drawback with the SRPs is that they have a light feel because they are so smooth in action. They don't feel rugged or industrial.
@@lukeannett I have the SRP GT 3P's as well. I'm loving the build quality but they feel a bit "numb". I want to enjoy the feel of the pedals yet still have consistent lap times. I'm torn between keeping the SRP or getting HE Ultimate+, Simtrecs (Barry on SRG reviewed those), Simtag or Ricmotech hydraulics.
@@mikej6565 Good luck with the search. I've used hydraulics and I still feel the rubber bumpers unless it is set to ultra, ultra hard but then you lose almost all of the progressive feel.
@@lukeannett That sounds very well but one of the reasons I wanna upgrade from my current pedals (Fanatec CSL Elite loadcell) is that the throttle pedal is very light for my liking as if there is no gas pedal, especially with shoes on difficulties to feel the gas and modulate because too light and also too short throw...
I was thinking to go for Heusinkveld Ultimates + because they have dampers on brake and throttle and you can make the throttle stiffer via preload and via damper and it has max 10 cm travel which is good for modulation...
Yes, but do all these types of braking systems give uneven braking action with the same pressure? commutes and these are the same thing right? who doesn't use the rubber shit? which pedals produce the same braking effect over and over again? not these I don't believe in at all even though Verstappen uses them.
this is an old video , but it still shocks me they use rubber for the brakes... or for the nerds "elastomer" yes elastomer is just i want to sound smarter than you for RUBBER.. annnnnyway .. my point here is .. rubber degrades with UV and not just UV or light but Oxygen as well.. also ive heard of loadcells being subject to temp changes on brakes .. well thats not the load cell its the "elastomers" .. they change their properties above 100C and below 0c .. so unless you live somewhere with 24/7 climate control ( kin to a greenhouse) you can fix with what i mention below .. its why tires/tyres have a "best before" date on them because rubber has a rather short lifespan as far as being useful .. there is a reason cars use dampers with springs over the top, (coil-overs) the damper is well .. for dampening and the spring adds resistance .. but OMG for like 50 yrs or so cars have been using "non-llinear" springs .. why in the helll do these 1000$ plus pedals use ghetto ass rubber instead of an all progressive spring setup .. its very odd to me .. go down to your hardware store pickup some progressive or non linear springs .. , buy some things to center the springs and boom ... for prob like 20$ you get a WAYYYY superior experiience...
If anyone wants to sell their Sprints, DM me :)
Ok... if you can push 200kg with one leg. Brah that's madness 😨 You probably have a 700lb squat.
big chungus
are you ever lucky ~ money bag$$$
sim racing porn.
I use Sprints, they're let down by the elastomer's. The fact a pedal that costs twice as much uses the same elastomer is beyond me.
They're actually not the same elastomers as the ones used on the Sprint rubbers, they're a newly developed compound. That being said, what don't you like about the Sprint rubbers?
@@Johnny_Thunder It's not 'just' the stiffness. The material is different, the characteristics are different, the longevity is improved and so on.
why are these prices more expensive on their site?