I'm feeling frustrated that Apple would limit us Intel users by not allowing access to the full suite of tools. I spent over 4K on my MacBook Pro with 2TB, thinking that I would be able to access all the fun updates as they came along. I'm disappointed to realize that this is not the case.
They literally can't do it. They've added specialized AI processors in their own M chips which perform it and they coded it directly for that processor
That sounds amazing for a couple mins of setup! I don't mind that every new feature isn't available on my 2018 MacBook Pro. As a software dev, I know backwards compatibility is hard. At least they're making the new version available to old Macs.
I'm in the same boat as all the other Intel Mac users. My computer is also from 2019. I downloaded Logic Pro 11, but can't access Chomaglow. I had a similar issue with Master Assistant when I upgraded to 10.8.1 last November. In that case, I could still use the plug-in but was limited to only the Clean Character type. The rest of the character types were grayed out with a message saying only available for Apple silicon computers. Seems to me, Apple could have programmed this to also work with Intel Macs, but made a business decision not to. Obviously, they want us to upgrade and I'm not about to spend another $3K either.
Couldn't put it better myself! It's annoying, especially when these laptops are build to last, I put it through some heavy workloads almost on the daily and it works like a charm, don't see myself replacing it for at least another 5+ years, but things like this annoy me when we know perfectly well these programs would work fine on it!
So, is it okay to update my Logic to version 11 on a 2020 iMac? Only a few of the features won't work? Is it stable and running smoothly? I am currently on version 10.7.4
@RishiBora I wouldn’t say it’s stable yet, mine will crash with certain plugins - Crowhills stuff and the odd instance of kontakt All but two new features work on the old Intel Macs. Personally I would wait till the next update 11.1 or so
Good deal, one way to go, I got my Wife's MacBook Air M1 chip for £600 of eBay 2 years ago. With me I buy with apple because of the care/warranty as bad as it sounds - as it is my work computer . My current laptop within the first year needed its motherboard replacing, as I got it from Apple they replaced it for free very quickly - no problems 4 years latter apart form a new battery.
I am an owner of a Mac Pro 2019 ($14k computer) and I thought I wouldn't be able to use Logic 11 at all. I'm at least glad that it is only a couple things they have left out for Intel users. I guess I can understand where the plugin developers didn't want to waste time coding new plugins for "old" computers.
Yep. Loving the creativity so far...only playing around too. Have asked Apple to include strings / orchestras / vocals / choirs and we've got more options to take a look at creatively getting an idea off and up and running. Need a few more styles / genres. Try replacing instruments with the Synths...or your own presets...even those Arp'd...very nice!
There are significant differences between Intel chips and Apple chips so it is incorrect to assume that what can be done on Apple silicon can also be done on Intel silicon. Apple silicon is fundamentally engineered differently, particularly the inclusion of a Neural Engine and it was the first mass-market and affordable chip to do so. This enables AI processing and advanced software features. It is incorrect to assume that Apple can build software with advanced AI features on older chips that simply don’t have the capability and it is fundamentally cynical to assume that Apple disabled features ‘on purpose’ to ‘force’ people to buy Apple Silicon-based products.
There’s me with iPad Pro 2020 model pissed off not about chromaglo or stem separation but how in the hell is there no chord track or session players,new piano or bass…having a 3 thousand dollar Mac and this shit don’t work…apple needs to fix up
3 trillion dollar company for a reason. But I'm not about to M1 it when my 2012, Mac Pro (Retina)16G, 2 TB, 2.6 ghz, Intel still rocks and I have Sonoma on it too. With Logic 10.8 running smoothly. And highly considered upgrading too. Naaah I'm good!
Could you make a video about the new stem separation and how to change those stems to a different instrument? For example, the bass stem made with stem separation, how can you use that new track and change it to a different bass guitar. Thank you!!
So the Stem splitter doesn’t extract midi just audio so if you had a track with vocals, drums, bass guitar and keys you could separate the audio out and technically delete any part you want and add your own audio or midi instrument (but have to make the midi yourself) Sadly I won’t be able to do a video on the Stem Spitter. As mentioned in the video it’s limited to apple silicon but I have an Intel Mac.
@@Joe-blogcomposer Understood. I am not a musician, playing an instrument is really a skill I don’t have neither I have the time to hone. I only create music with AI, but I want to make those songs more personal and change the intruments a bit. I watch a video about capturing the poliohonic waves of a stem with Melodyne and then use that MIDI information with a MIDI instrument. But what is quite a lengthy process. I tried ChromaGlow on those stems and that gives me a decent variation to make a decent difference. But nothing like using a whole new instrument and I was wondering if it could be done on a simplier way. But thank you for your reply!! 😊
2020 iMac here. Yeah i upgraded from a 2009 iMac. No way im upgrading again let alone have $2000 plus laying around. Also no more iMacs so id have to invest in a separate screen for the mac studio and rearrange my desk smh
The Intel chips literally can't do it. Apple put an AI processor in the M chips and that's what it runs on. They could theoretically also program it for a different chip type, but that's basically having to re-code the entire feature twice, for a chip they don't offer anymore and is 4 years old, and it'd run incredibly slow because the chip isn't made to do AI calculations. Totally makes sense they didn't and won't support it on Intel
@@Joe-blogcomposer I haven’t but I already bit the bullet. Logic 11 works fine for me as far as performance just the new features are greyed out. I really just wanted the stem splitter. I’ll have to get myself a new computer for Christmas. Oh well
My Laptop is a MacBook Pro 2.3 GHz 8-Core Intel Core i9, 32GB Ram with a Radeon Pro 560X 4gb Graphics card. 1tb internal storage. Projects hold up fine, I can do a full orchestral compositions with individuals instruments (40+ tracks with plugins) and run the film (if it's a media project) in the same project with my buffer zie at 512 Samples. Granted I can't really have anything else open but its runs! It also handles screen recordings at 4k while I'm recording videos of me composing., usually with 10-15 tracks.
Haha no worries it does sound like bad elevator music but for about 1mins work it’s not bad 😂 but I agree you can get better and quicker results with loops, I love Arcade for that, but then their not as easy to go in and edit as these session instruments. Thanks for the comment!
After playing with the session musicians for a few days I have come to the conclusion that Apple has just turned Logic into what 'Band In A Box' was 15 years ago. These features are toys that will just make everyone's projects/music all sound the same. It's a bad, very light copy of Toontrack software. You summed it up when you stated "you don't even have to know what you are doing". It was obvious which direction Apple was going back when they introduced live loops (a bad copy of what Ableton had been doing for years). There are so many things that Apple could have done to improve Logic for serious creators, but they have chosen to just make it a toy for 10 year olds. The implementation of the Chord Track is also clunky and awkward to use, and a choice of only 6 chord progressions in the drop down menu in the session players? What a joke! Keep the intel mac and just get some Toontrack plug ins. There are also lots of free midi chord packs out there, we don't need the junk AI Apple is giving us. If they HAD tried to charge for this update that WOULD have been a disgrace and I doubt that any serious producers would have bothered buying it.
Apple’s goal is to force users to move to their new computers with “M” processors. Since sales of new Macs is not as strong as Apple desires, they are resorting to arm twisting.
Apple cruel as usual...try forcing you to switch to their latest products/expensive Macbooks by not making you have access to their new Logic 11 features if u still have intel macs........Exactly why am done with Apple .
I'm feeling frustrated that Apple would limit us Intel users by not allowing access to the full suite of tools. I spent over 4K on my MacBook Pro with 2TB, thinking that I would be able to access all the fun updates as they came along. I'm disappointed to realize that this is not the case.
that's Greedy apple for ya that suck
Oh, but in their generosity they are giving their updates for free - that's a business ! ;)
@@Angelsandoval510 of course I am , it is my ironic remark to apple policy.
They literally can't do it. They've added specialized AI processors in their own M chips which perform it and they coded it directly for that processor
That sounds amazing for a couple mins of setup! I don't mind that every new feature isn't available on my 2018 MacBook Pro. As a software dev, I know backwards compatibility is hard. At least they're making the new version available to old Macs.
I'm in the same boat as all the other Intel Mac users. My computer is also from 2019. I downloaded Logic Pro 11, but can't access Chomaglow. I had a similar issue with Master Assistant when I upgraded to 10.8.1 last November. In that case, I could still use the plug-in but was limited to only the Clean Character type. The rest of the character types were grayed out with a message saying only available for Apple silicon computers. Seems to me, Apple could have programmed this to also work with Intel Macs, but made a business decision not to. Obviously, they want us to upgrade and I'm not about to spend another $3K either.
Couldn't put it better myself! It's annoying, especially when these laptops are build to last, I put it through some heavy workloads almost on the daily and it works like a charm, don't see myself replacing it for at least another 5+ years, but things like this annoy me when we know perfectly well these programs would work fine on it!
So, is it okay to update my Logic to version 11 on a 2020 iMac? Only a few of the features won't work? Is it stable and running smoothly? I am currently on version 10.7.4
@RishiBora I wouldn’t say it’s stable yet, mine will crash with certain plugins - Crowhills stuff and the odd instance of kontakt
All but two new features work on the old Intel Macs. Personally I would wait till the next update 11.1 or so
@@Joe-blogcomposer Thanks a lot for the information.
If you want to switch to Apple silicon, you can do it on the cheap. I bought a new MBA M2 with 16gb/1tb for $1322 USD in Australia last week.
Good deal, one way to go, I got my Wife's MacBook Air M1 chip for £600 of eBay 2 years ago. With me I buy with apple because of the care/warranty as bad as it sounds - as it is my work computer . My current laptop within the first year needed its motherboard replacing, as I got it from Apple they replaced it for free very quickly - no problems 4 years latter apart form a new battery.
I am an owner of a Mac Pro 2019 ($14k computer) and I thought I wouldn't be able to use Logic 11 at all. I'm at least glad that it is only a couple things they have left out for Intel users. I guess I can understand where the plugin developers didn't want to waste time coding new plugins for "old" computers.
Yep. Loving the creativity so far...only playing around too. Have asked Apple to include strings / orchestras / vocals / choirs and we've got more options to take a look at creatively getting an idea off and up and running. Need a few more styles / genres. Try replacing instruments with the Synths...or your own presets...even those Arp'd...very nice!
There are significant differences between Intel chips and Apple chips so it is incorrect to assume that what can be done on Apple silicon can also be done on Intel silicon. Apple silicon is fundamentally engineered differently, particularly the inclusion of a Neural Engine and it was the first mass-market and affordable chip to do so. This enables AI processing and advanced software features. It is incorrect to assume that Apple can build software with advanced AI features on older chips that simply don’t have the capability and it is fundamentally cynical to assume that Apple disabled features ‘on purpose’ to ‘force’ people to buy Apple Silicon-based products.
There’s me with iPad Pro 2020 model pissed off not about chromaglo or stem separation but how in the hell is there no chord track or session players,new piano or bass…having a 3 thousand dollar Mac and this shit don’t work…apple needs to fix up
3 trillion dollar company for a reason. But I'm not about to M1 it when my 2012, Mac Pro (Retina)16G, 2 TB, 2.6 ghz, Intel still rocks and I have Sonoma on it too. With Logic 10.8 running smoothly. And highly considered upgrading too. Naaah I'm good!
Yeah I'm not upgrading till the laptop dies and I hoping to get at least another 5 years out of it.
I have a 2019 Mac Pro and don't care if these features are not supported. This is even a better reason to abandon Logic after 15+ years
sounds like Band-in-a-Box 20 years ago
Could you make a video about the new stem separation and how to change those stems to a different instrument? For example, the bass stem made with stem separation, how can you use that new track and change it to a different bass guitar. Thank you!!
So the Stem splitter doesn’t extract midi just audio so if you had a track with vocals, drums, bass guitar and keys you could separate the audio out and technically delete any part you want and add your own audio or midi instrument (but have to make the midi yourself)
Sadly I won’t be able to do a video on the Stem Spitter. As mentioned in the video it’s limited to apple silicon but I have an Intel Mac.
@@Joe-blogcomposer Understood. I am not a musician, playing an instrument is really a skill I don’t have neither I have the time to hone.
I only create music with AI, but I want to make those songs more personal and change the intruments a bit.
I watch a video about capturing the poliohonic waves of a stem with Melodyne and then use that MIDI information with a MIDI instrument. But what is quite a lengthy process.
I tried ChromaGlow on those stems and that gives me a decent variation to make a decent difference. But nothing like using a whole new instrument and I was wondering if it could be done on a simplier way. But thank you for your reply!! 😊
2020 iMac here. Yeah i upgraded from a 2009 iMac. No way im upgrading again let alone have $2000 plus laying around. Also no more iMacs so id have to invest in a separate screen for the mac studio and rearrange my desk smh
The Intel chips literally can't do it. Apple put an AI processor in the M chips and that's what it runs on. They could theoretically also program it for a different chip type, but that's basically having to re-code the entire feature twice, for a chip they don't offer anymore and is 4 years old, and it'd run incredibly slow because the chip isn't made to do AI calculations. Totally makes sense they didn't and won't support it on Intel
My trial version of Logic ends in a day but atm I’m downloading a trial version of FL because I have intel 😢
Shop around and see which one works best for you! Have you tried Cubase yet?
@@Joe-blogcomposer I haven’t but I already bit the bullet. Logic 11 works fine for me as far as performance just the new features are greyed out. I really just wanted the stem splitter. I’ll have to get myself a new computer for Christmas. Oh well
You also have a 2019 Intel Mac then.
Is it a 16GB?
How well do all your projects hold up?
Does it handle a big workload?
Thanks man.
My Laptop is a MacBook Pro 2.3 GHz 8-Core Intel Core i9, 32GB Ram with a Radeon Pro 560X 4gb Graphics card. 1tb internal storage.
Projects hold up fine, I can do a full orchestral compositions with individuals instruments (40+ tracks with plugins) and run the film (if it's a media project) in the same project with my buffer zie at 512 Samples. Granted I can't really have anything else open but its runs! It also handles screen recordings at 4k while I'm recording videos of me composing., usually with 10-15 tracks.
@@Joe-blogcomposer i have the same but 16GB Ram.
I really need to push myself and just make something.
Thanks Joe
Apples updates are always free
pay to win situation .... :(
There you go it takes like two or three seconds just to make a music already and you’re done lol😊
Your not wrong xD will defently be making some quick library music
@@Joe-blogcomposer oh yeah of course I have logic Pro updated to logic 11 and it’s pretty good. I definitely have fun with it.😊
it should be more difficult to make music. if it's too easy it won't mean anything
@@pikiwiki that’s how you look at it. I guess we could just say it’s like a starting point AI is just a starting point to get you up and running.😊
@@justinrivera1603 It won't make the song, but it allows you to see what it might be like. that's a huge leap forward
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but that didn't sound very good. It's just very generic sounding. You could make better music with loops.
Haha no worries it does sound like bad elevator music but for about 1mins work it’s not bad 😂 but I agree you can get better and quicker results with loops, I love Arcade for that, but then their not as easy to go in and edit as these session instruments. Thanks for the comment!
Yeah, a computer that costed three grand has been completely obsolete. I love capitalism!
No it hasn’t… but technology advances create new capabilities in both software and hardware
After playing with the session musicians for a few days I have come to the conclusion that Apple has just turned Logic into what 'Band In A Box' was 15 years ago. These features are toys that will just make everyone's projects/music all sound the same. It's a bad, very light copy of Toontrack software.
You summed it up when you stated "you don't even have to know what you are doing".
It was obvious which direction Apple was going back when they introduced live loops (a bad copy of what Ableton had been doing for years).
There are so many things that Apple could have done to improve Logic for serious creators, but they have chosen to just make it a toy for 10 year olds.
The implementation of the Chord Track is also clunky and awkward to use, and a choice of only 6 chord progressions in the drop down menu in the session players? What a joke!
Keep the intel mac and just get some Toontrack plug ins. There are also lots of free midi chord packs out there, we don't need the junk AI Apple is giving us.
If they HAD tried to charge for this update that WOULD have been a disgrace and I doubt that any serious producers would have bothered buying it.
Apple’s goal is to force users to move to their new computers with “M” processors. Since sales of new Macs is not as strong as Apple desires, they are resorting to arm twisting.
Rat wheel
Apple cruel as usual...try forcing you to switch to their latest products/expensive Macbooks by not making you have access to their new Logic 11 features if u still have intel macs........Exactly why am done with Apple .
Great .. bye
You'll be missed!
Y'all cant see what theyre doing...Youre all Apple brained washed ....Very pathetic!!!
OpenCore patcher, stick a finger in Apple's eye
The intro music sounds like a Casio keyboard program. No real musician would ever use this software. Horrible update.
You’re not wrong 😂 I’d say it’s useful as a starting point or a source of inspiration. Thanks for the comment!