The Most BROKEN ATGM At "High Tier" - Khrizantema-S - War Thunder
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The 9M123 is among one of the best ATGMs in the game, and at battle rating 9.7 it is one of the few missile carriers still viable in the upper tiers!
00:00 - The Balanced Intro
04:05 - Fruitless Start
06:20 - Ghost Missile?! (Ft. Strela)
11:44 - Get Flanked!
14:41 - Distance means Nothing!
19:02 - Back to back...?
21:14 - Is it balanced though?
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Did you also know that the launchers can still fire while being destroyed and the launchers won't detonate upon destruction by a hit from a round, unlike most other ATGM launchers in game.
That's a legacy change with a lot of vehicles. They haven't been consistent on changing it for many vehicles like the IT-1, Rakejadpz HOT, Rakejadpadaiz the one with keyboard mouse, Type 60 ATM, Shturm-S etc. When they release a vehicle that has an exposed missile it can be killed.
@@Kwisss they really need to go back and update those old models, its very infuriating clearly hitting the things missile directly but he just walks away with a destroyed launcher and can repair
@Kwisss the only issue with those is that they all have closed off crew compartments that open up to allow the missile launcher to be reloaded and immediately close off again once in their firing position. The Kriz has an open hull that should overpressured it since it's an open top that only closes when the launcher is inside.
@@Thebaconmurderer but tbh I don't think those missiles would really detonate from being shot like other rounds tbh
Weird how this atgm seems to control just fine while others either can’t turn or launch straight into the ground
most if not all Beam riding missiles isn't affected all that much
umtas controls like shit but that could be due to multiple other things tbh, same with the cirit@@mmneaapro596
It's Russian...
@@shootkilldiePB So are the (nerfed) BMPs and IT-1 and 2S6
@@dti1312 Konkurs missiles are abolute joke atm. They drop like 5 meters after launce and tend to hit the ground more often than anything else. Its just lazy gajin i guess.
I forgot what ATGMS that don't just fly into the floor look like.
When you said the missile will guide itself the next thought that popped in my head was "The missile knows where it is because it knows where it isn't" XD
If you fire missiles with the radar lock, the first one follows the lock, but the second follows the optic.
You should revisit the Mephisto, it's still a very strong vehicle for the French tree and i have it locked in my lineup from 8.7 and above getting 8 kills at 11.7
The main reason it wasn't moved up is because it doesn't have indirect fire rockets like TOW-2B and it doesn't have other weaponry like the Bradley.
Still, very good ATGM. Definitely a 10.3 material.
indirect fire atgms tend to be unreliable trash against anything other than light targets. its not an excuse, especially when in return you can fire from cover in complete safety in the kriz.
@@fire_drake12.arc.24 Indirect fire ATGMs murder tanks no idea what you are talking about.
@@fire_drake12.arc.24 Against Soviet tanks it will take 2/3 missiles, sure, but against NATO MBTs that don't have turret armor TOW-2B work really well.
I think the reason you get maps back to back so often is because of the way their servers work. I'd imagine that a server will keep a specific map loaded for a few games to maximize uptime, and so if you end up reconnecting to the same server after you get out of a match you will still be on that same map
you can increase the range of the radar with scope scale in the Y menu/controls
Goes up to 8km but it's not even useful. lol
You can and should also "lower" the search area of the radar from 8 degrees to 3 degrees it becomes a lot better at acquiring ground level targets hiding behind foliage
Out of all the ATGM capable vehicles, this is far my favorite. High Pen and a fuck ton of explosives makes sure the tank is obliterated by sheer overpressure. This is a vehicle that will always have a spot in my lineup in its br or 11.7.
I still love how you have the princess mononoke poster in the background, my mom watched that whdn it was relatively new and sooner or later ill probably watch it
16:58 first missile is guide by radar but second missile is guide by your self
I love seeing strela gameplay I’ve been using it extensively for antiCAS for giggles. Also love to see the kristima content honestly a really good vehicle when played right.
I absolutely love this vehicle!!!. From taking out aircraft to tanks ive even went in all out brawls with it and come out on top.
Loved the video!
I absolutely love the Khrizantema. It’s such a good vehicle, as long as you take it out on maps meant for it
oooooooo, nice gats in the background
You should play the IPM1 now that it's 11.0. May seem bad at first but a 5 second reload with aced crew is insane. And the M900 shell is still more than capable of penetrating armor with the usual weak spots. Also the reduced turret armor hardly matters, cause people think your a normal abrams and don't shoot the turret cheeks.
8:29 😂 nice shot
17:14 That's what playing the Stormer HVM is like, thanks Gaijin for breaking it every update! :)
I think its still broken, but when they fix it pull the radar down when you can, its an easier spot to hit with an HE round.
One of only 2 methods (3 with top down atgm's) to kill that thing when properly hull down.
I think what's happening with the map rotation is that as more BR restrictions on maps are added in, the interaction with map filter preferences across the match maker is just causing spam since the window of possibilities is narrowed even further :/
Also every map released after 2015 is likely to be banned by at least one player in every match. The type of players who leave after one death hate learning new maps.
The only thing that blows my mind with this thing, is that you can still move after you've fired
How bout playing swingfire/strikers? Not only it was unchanged on atgm guidance changes, it even got a significant agility buff
Okay so like, great video and all but I want that Princess Mononoke poster.
Yepieee🎉🎉🎉 finaly my Khrizantema
The Wiesel 1a2 and the strv9040 bill atgms don't have drop when fired either. The Wiesel's launcher aims a bit above the cursor aim point, don't know if the Bill does that too.
The bill only has like a little of a drop but sadly the launcher has no elevation when it does irl
This tank is pretty decent for sure, however I feel like the 775 is just better, when I first played the 775 I was absolute dog crap in it and struggled hard, but after learning how to use it, it’s very quickly become one of my fave tanks, the main thing is the super responsive barrel launched atgm like damn! It’s super fast and it responds to input so well! And ontop of that you have the ability to kneel the tank down for extra depression or even lower the whole vehicle down for a smaller profile, then add ontop of that the amazing composite in the front of the hull and turret, it’s an incredible machine :) and at a lower br than the krisanthema, difference being the misssile doesn’t have 1200mm pen 😊 love your videos justin
Nah, the 775 is terrible and terrible at 10.0. If rather have this atgm carrier that can somewhat run burn rills, hull down easier, has better pen and over pressure, can lock on to things if needed, 2 shots back to back, and honestly just bounce shots better when angled.
@@NoName-sy3di Nah, the 775 is incredible, and the armor is pretty decent too
Chrizantema-s is still op br 9.7 to top 11.7 :D love this ppk and Your video :P
to be honest, from my point of view, most of russian vehicles are either OP as hell or on a low BR where they shouldnt be doing nothing
This vehicle aint OP its situational. No one really plays it either as its an end of the line vehicle that is 9.7. Most people just skip this to grind to 11.7.
average usa main when they don't get 6 kills every game
Most people share your point of view. Mostly because it’s true. My RU stats are comically better than any other nation I have (all of them including bluewater, no coastal, matchmaking blows too much). My best non RU top tier nation is Sweden which consequently has an export T80 that outperforms both STRVs lol. The Swedish T80 is twice as mobile as my aced Leo’s, not to mention 5 times more survivable 😂
@@buffka5023 You are a pretty bad player if you perform better in a Swedish T-80 than in 122s lmao.
@@larry8437its much better than any other atgm carrier, and at a lower br to boot aswell
6:20 No, there isn't a lack of "map rotation". As the term suggests: it's the same map, but rotated, so you spawn on the other side.
Map rotation problem is more prominent in air RB
I remember getting the same map 13 times back to back in top tier.
It was Afghanistan
It's banned for me ever since
Will the golden eagle app ever be one iPhone?
it's also missing the suspension control which it should have since it's a BMP-3 hull
i just hit space when you died, damn im addicted to this game
u should do a video on the Mig27K
The IT-1 is also seriously broken, IRL it had a minimum range at about 500m as the missile was not guided for the first 2.5 seconds, and fired 15 degrees above the sightline.. and also kinda useless when there was radio jamming active
9:37 What was that sound?
The bmp-2m also has the same missiles as this
Not really, the BMP-2M gets 9M133 (Kornet), this is 9M123
Same pen and tandem charge, but the Kornet is 300m/s compared to 550m/s on this thingy
One big disadvantage this has is that you can't play it on every map, I took this out for a couple of games and most of the maps weren't good for this thus making the experience so much harder. This thing can really thrive in large, open maps though. By the way, how do you get the big, green radar? I always get the small one.
Setting for radar, I honestly forgot what its called as I set it long ago
you can adjust the radar size now in setting i think.
@@acolbymyers well, I did some digging and cannot find it unfortunately.
Options/main/air battle settings/use rectangular radar indicator
@@Tranny_Exterminator_9000 I appreciate that so much, thank you! :)
you should really revisit mid tier again it as been quiet some time since you made videos on older tanks
Light.tanks, scout, uav marking....and a team that ignores the minimap. That is the curse of loving light tanks. This is the way.
When's the BMP-1 saclos missile going to be fixed?
So far for me , my favourite tank has been the bagel panzer at 9.3 Germany
With the new War Thunder update adding more SEAD and DEAD weapons, that radar will certainly be an issue
the issue with your screen is probably not your graphicscard. I have a 4090 and have the same issue sometimes that the screen goes black for like 1 sec and its prob. an issue with your eletric circuit. for some reason if there are any weird voltage peaks in your house for example shutters going down, this happens.
Does GE for WT work for PS4? (Like download on phone and link or something?)
Doesn’t work, only PC
i once played light tank and got 15 assists by scouting and 9 kills by myself. it was in an aml 90 on the first map of this video
It's super underrated. I use it all the time and have a better K/D with it than I do BVM.
To be honest out of every vic i have used this one has 1. Bounced the most shots outa anything in my lineup 2. Survived bei g hit because people aim for the tubes and end up hitting the stem instead leaving me fine. Also my radar amd port holes like to eat sabots
How to change radar like that, which control button?
hi man same thing with OBS happens to me very annoying
the guidance is the same on the shturm S
The only tank I know of that has an RWR is the M1 Thumper, which isn't in the game. Probably the reason why they're not common at all is because the radar on the Khrizantema most likely just shows a radar generated image on a monitor (like how the F-15E can) instead of being something that can lock onto targets like an SPAA radar
155mm atgm overpressure is truely something els.
that Atgm Carrier is real fun.
u should try project quirintean
BMP2M has similar(same?) missiles with 1200mm pen that can fire on the move and feel... untouched by the nerf
They definitely feel touched by the nerf. Not as much as something like the MGM-51 or 9M113 but it's not as good as it used to be
@@dti1312 true enough but stull better than most atgms eight now
I haaaaaaaaate facing this thing :D
I posted on Reddit about the map rotation thing, pretty stupid the way it is currently.
Strela so OP
Nice video, I was wondering if I should buy a computer to come back into warthunder and in the gaming.... You just confirm that I should not, seeing this Russian bias, brings back bad memories....
Bad memories of skill issues?
The good Times, where the STRELA-10 was still at 9.3:)
I was more miffed that u didn't use the radar over the HE 🤔
Had this thing been anyone elses it would get moved up in BR, have suspiciously missing design features
Just bought it
Without a miss xD
I recently unlocked the german 7.7 atgm launcher with the heat shell off 320 mm and atgm and bradley and let me tell you ,i launced missles straight on a target 800 m away and it flew 3 meters avove the target???grrr... lol
The Chinese AFT09 has pretty similar stats or?
Better in a way. Lower BR faster, 4 missiles ready to fire, the sight is easier to hull down with (the sight on this is on top of the hull not the missile) and better depression. This has ground radar which allows you to sort of aim behind cover to remedy against the bad optic placement and kill tanks in smoke, gen 2/3 thermals, better reverse, neutral steering etc.
t-90m has rad warning systm
Think the lack of map rotation has not been talked about enough cause Gaijen has made this astigmatism that the whole getting the same map many times in a row is just bad luck on the players part and really dont think that idea has aged very well cause if anything its not rare isolated incidents.
You think that's bad on top tier jets I was getting the same map for 8 hours straight felt like I got it for 195 games in a row and then I finally got a different map just to get that same map 90 times so insane it was only like two or three rotations in top tier jets
I hope one day they change that when you're hit in plane or heli and you're "dead" that you can't fight anymore.
I am sick of killing helis and jets and they even destroy you after being dead... I mean come on I fire a 75kg rocket on a heli and the half heli is broken in 2 pieces but he can still sit there and kill me with missles? That's dumb as hell... and yeah the missle of that russian thing is obviously too strong compared to other atgms but hey ... that's correct right?^^
The green radar thing on the top right is giving me a headache lol it moving left right left right too fast😵💫
yeah im getting the same map sometimes 3-4 times in a row. i got anal sea 6 times in a row. why is gaijin not patching this?
Put it at 12.0 and it'll still be good
Could you please play the AMX-40? so you could brush up on the subject of French darts being underwhelming and top tier French line ups being non-existant?
Top tier French lineup is 4 leclercs and the premium IFV + the best CAS in the game
@@DatFatThor around 9.0 to 10.3 you get nothing really good, the shells all have underwhelming penetration, and the tank themselves are adequate at best,
@frenchouiaboo816 Wtf you mean? I play France 10.0 more than anything with the AMX-32, 32 105, 40, and VBCI. Throw in the Tiger and Super Etendard and you have a lineup that punches well above its weight
@@DatFatThor France has one 10.0 tank and it's a SAM, what you have is a line up forcing you to uptier most of the machines in it just to get a plane or SAM in, and the OFL-105 F1 OFL-120 G1 are still underwhelming at 9.3
not saying it's bad, saying it could be better, also addressing the OFL-120 F1 situation on the Leclerc being the lowest pen western mbt for signel piece ammo
@frenchouiaboo816 All of the MBT's from 9.3 to 9.7 work perfectly fine in an uptier and I have never had an issue with them. It really just sounds like you're complaining to complain especially when you can easily run 9.3 with the standard Etendard and TT heli and do fine.
IRL its the fastest travelling ATGM
Why is the T-72 Turms overpowered
So why is this at 9.7?
can you please play the sav 72
I think you mean the Ikv 72.
yeah that one
Can we bully gajin into removing fog and also removing the horribly done maps😊
clearly gen3 thermals btv
Laser warning only. Rwr in the air.
is fucking amazing !
meanwhile RakJpZ (HOT) absolutely unusable because it guides its missile like a hot potato in bare hands
Why the Russians didn’t make a tank that launches Kh-29L??
I've been taking to banning the map i get every time I finish a game, it's terribly inconvenient but it's better than playing on the same map 10 times in a row
markava top (mk 2d)
You mean to tell me that Russia can have this but when I suggest adding AGM-114Ls to give US a FnF option THEN it’s too OP because it uses MMW radar that can see through smoke???
And don’t try to tell me that an Apache with 16 of them is way too many, this has 14
@@deliriousgaming9432An Apache can launch those without reload, from a far better position(the sky)😐
It isnt difficult to be honest to make a "if last map: xxxxx, then" ^^
no radar warning
Ya'll surprised? Never trust a businessman!
Russian ATGM don't affect by the by new ATGM model at all BIA
Most broken is proximity atgm on sthurm-s. Try that against planes and helis....
I have like 800 air kills with the proxy atgm. Before the nerf, it was an anti everything.
Lol i used that thing for the sole purpose of anti air lol
I feel like that if the US were to get their own subtree, it would most likely be a unified South American one. With ground, air and navel vehicles from Brazil, Argentina, Bolivia, Chile, Peru, and whatever else Gaijin can find.
I'm guessing Bolivia is here because they operated the Austrian built SK-105?
на открытых позиция у нее есть автозахват цели , зачем мучить себя )
Thank god this thing does not get the FNF missile.
People losing their minds before the LOSAT dropped about how broken it would be while this pile of shit exists blew my mind.
The moment you realise that BMP-2M has four of them 🗿
The BMP-2M has the 9M133, which is the Kornet, meanwhile the Krizhantema is 9M123, same head but different bodies, as the 9M123 is a lot faster
It's a nice vehicle and does well with a more passive playstyle but its situational like most ATGM carriers in the game. At it's BR it usually fights 10.3 anyways due to premium tier. I feel a big part of the missile being responsive is how fast it is at 550 m/s. Not saying Gaijin should fix TOWs, BMP 1/2 Konkurs missile physics but the speed makes it feels so responsive and less prone to the live game latency bug the TOW/slower missile faces. The Type 89's missile got buffed recently to fly better and hopefully they can do that to the TOW/konkurs.