FM23 Youth Intake Analysis 4 - The Draft Hypothesis
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This, along with Zealand's stealing wonderkids video, has now drastically streamlined my wonderkid hunting.
This is the most informative video on FM I've watched in a decade. None of the click-bait '10 Things You MUST Know to CONQUER Youth Intakes' videos even come close to being as useful as this specific video is, much less the whole series.
Thank you for your effort my friend, I will put it to good use!
Sanity-saving info! Thanks for your continued hard work on gathering these insights and sharing with us all.
These findings are amazing tbh, thanks for your work and dedication. Guess around 6 youth recruitment should really be enough in my San Marino save 😄
It's incredible you were able to figure this all out! I'm just glad that at least for this mechanic, it's relatively simple enough to understand and remember.
It's awesome that you recognize change in previous conclusions. It's like an science experiment! love it
Newgen PA being affected by Youth Recruitment ranking makes so much sense and explains why it feels like you get your better newgens early on when you're doing a lower league save and things tend to slow down as you get promoted - your club's relative youth recruitment/reputation is worse than the established big clubs even if you've managed to upgrade your facilities a couple of times when you go up a division.
Yes I think this is what happens in a lot of people. The first few seasons after promotion you will struggle to get many wonderkids due to the relatively low club reputation compared to other clubs in the league.
@@ebfm Thank you for your amazing work. I do not think this part is true as was looking at intakes in England after watching this video and the dates are sorted by youth recruitment and then reputation as you stated (which league they are in did not matter in the sorting of dates, only the country matters). So you have teams like derby, sunderland and even wreckham having "dibs" on a player before a team in the prem like brentford.
@@ebfm could you take a look into if it is rated by league or nation? We would assume it is by league, since it is what you tested, but couldn't it be by nation? If so, your test wouldn't be able to indentify it I suppose.
It was actually confirmed a couple of years ago by SI devs that Youth Recruitment (and reputation in case of a tie) functions as a ranking. Nevertheless, it is nice to have empirical confirmation of this, because not everything functions as the devs claim.
Thanks Max, as always, for your dedication and amazing work. Such great info and another little piece of this enigmatic jigsaw put in place. I am not ashamed to say I will be saving and reloading my next youth intake announcement to “check your hypothesis” (and also hope for a wonderkid).
thanks mate, do try repeating the same youth announcement and see how you go.
this is the best video on youth intake ever. actual info we can use to improve our intakes
Excellent video again! I've just had a quick look at the Announcement dates in my YA save, and over five seasons they've been earlier every year and the last two have been significantly better after I'd got my Youth Recruitment upgraded.
PS As an England fan, I'm glad Australia won the group yesterday because it means it's less likely we'll have to play you in round 2 :)
Based on my 30 year youth academy save, reputation determines the pool. First I would only get local kids, From Merthyr Town. Later it expanded to surrounding towns, followed by the whole of Wales. These last few years, since I became a worldwide club I have gotten various nations like Brazil, South Korea, Australia, Phillipines.
Great stuff, Max.
I am listening to this while cooking so I may have missed a few things (and I re listened to the summary to make sure nothing I ask below is directly addressed already).
How do affiliate clubs that share youth facilities fit into the draft? Are those foreign youth taken from either of the two pools each club has access to, or is there some third pool created for these interaction cases? Is the parent club's rating relevant to how those foreign youngsters get added, or is the affiliate club's ratings what decides the player attributes?
The answers to these questions (interaction between draft system and affiliates) may help test one of my hypotheses: that having a youth affiliate from a foreign country can worsen parent youth intake if all of the following is true: parent has a high youth rank rank in own league, parent league produces equivalent level talent as feeder league, feeder club has lower youth rank in feeder league.
Also, love the hat!
I'm also interested in how affiliate clubs affect your youth recruitment, especially when considering that the game describes them as having a chance of recruiting youngsters from the affiliate club.
Hey bud, affiliate club is what Ill be covering in the next video. Stay tuned the answers are coming!
@@ebfm Fantastic news. Looking forward.
Youth preview also locks in the positions your youths can play
The fact that the Youth Recruitment plays the main role in the order of clubs getting their youth intake was already known way back in FM20, as per the reddit thread: "Football Manager 2020 Youth Intake Interval Dates for Top Division Clubs per country" though no mention of club reputation as a tie breaker, which is an interesting update.
On the subject of youth intakes, I'd recommend testing another popular theory: That the reputation of the HOYD plays a big part in ensuring you either improve your intake's CA/PA, or in getting the best youth from the "draft".
This theory also has a side theory which is not only the HOYD reputation, but the whole staff reputation that plays a part. Would be interesting to have it tested.
Hey mate, in Part 2 & 3 I tested the effects of HOYD / U18 coaches. It appears that HOYD affects the Personality of Newgens but not their CA/PA ratings.
The quality of U18 coaches did not seem to affect the quality of Newgens in any way.
@@ebfm Thanks for clearing that up, I missed that piece of info. Cheers and keep up the good work.
You're a god, Max. Thanks for all you do and the extensive (and academically rigourous/honest) research. Love how you detail your methodology as well. Good luck with channel growth! 🎉🎉
Very interesting. How would this work in a country with multiple leagues. In England would a championship team with a 20 youth recruitment get better newgens than a prem team with 10 in youth recruitment?
Hey mate, that's actually a very interesting suggestion, haven't thought about it. I can possibly test it out in the future videos.
crazy, everything makes so much sense. It sounds.
Finally! Case solved!
Great video Max. Thank you.
Great video, a quick question: do foreign regen players participate in the draft, or are they part of an international draft linked to the league's reputation?
Hey mate, I have no idea how the nationalities of newgens are determined. It could be due to the scouting knowledge of the club / HOYD. I didn't pay attention to the nationality of newgens in these tests. I can possibly look into it in the future videos.
nice hat
I am still confused how important the head of youth judge ability and judge ability is. Does that mean a model professional with terrible stats is pretty much perfect? thx for the great videos!
I’d really like to know that too.
Talking in a strictly game design aspect, I believe the regens are "regened" in this way(I'm talking about the delay of Youth Preview to Youth Announcement approx 4 months more or less before the regens PA CA solidifies) to prevent players from easily reloading saves to churn out the regens they actually want(trying to find a Messi). Now if they wanted to do this method they would have to replay a huge chunk of the season(approx 4 months) just to cheat ever so slightly about filtering through the newgens that they're happy to keep. I hope you get enough subs to make this Fulltime when FM25 drops
Great video!!
Awesome! Thanks Max. Can we get a consistency video please? I need to know if I should keep consistency with my love of green consistency
Hey bud, i didnt include consistency in these tests because consistency isnt a personality-deciding attribute. In this series im mainly focusing on CA, PA and the attributes that influence personality. But in the future i will do a video that covers consistency.
@@ebfm that would be so appreciated, thank you Max, keep up the good work ☺️
Great work keep it up
Your a legend 🎉 keep up the great work ❤ my own experience is the youth intakes get worse and worse when you take over as manager 😂
Great video and love the hat, cheers mate
this is what I call a breakthrough
But is the "draft pool" set for a league or for an entire nation? You were talking about leagues (mostly because you were testing on a nation with just a single league), but realistically, it should be nationwide. Which leads to the question whether youth recruitment trumps the the tier of the league or vice versa.
Hey bud, absolutely, nation / city / region of clubs in the league may be a factor in determining the 'draft pool'. This is something I've overlooked so far - will be investigated in the next video.
Love your vids, everytime we discover something new. Thx so much for your work.
Does value of youth recruitment ever decrease for a team over time?
thanks mate,
In my experiments, I was in charge of all the teams in the league, so there was no change in Youth Recruitment during the simulations.
I've heard a rumour that AI managers do not improve Youth Recruitments by themselves, although I haven't tested it.
Evidence based effect of Mentoring would be awesome to see, there doesn't seem to be any real tests done on it, everything I've found is "This is what I feel is best"-type
It's a combination of factors actually. Like age, international caps, personality, media handling style, determination, leadership etc.
Hi Max, something I noted: when you compare intakes after and before saves, at 6:40, same names with different CA/PA each time, all intakes have roughly the same PA average except the last one (bottom right), the two at the bottom being identical actually. And also, the first three have roughly the same PA repartition.
PA= A: 100-119 B: 80-99 C: 60-79 D:40-59 E: 20-39
Intake 1 Top L, Avg PA= 76.125 : 5A - 3B - 1C - 6D - 1E
Intake 2 Top R, Avg PA= 76.125 : 5A - 3B - 0C - 8D - 0E
Intake 3 Bot L, Avg PA= 74.187 :5A - 2B - 0C - 8D - 1E
Intake 4 Bot R, Avg PA= 84.500 : 2A - 10B - 1C - 3D - 0E
Can't conclude anything from this, but might be a clue worth investigating?
hey mate, very keen observations despite bad quality screenshots.
Well, in those 4 trials there was no change in variables, so it makes sense that the average CA/PA ratings are similar, although the Top L and Top R having the same average PAs is quite peculiar.
How did you come up with those 'repartitions'? Is it a category you made yourself?
@@ebfm Yes, I made up the categories. I reckon FM works with ranges like that, they might not be accurate of course, it could be something asymmetrical or inequal ranges like 0-39, 40-79, 80-99, 100-119, 120-139, 140-159, 160+ for example. But with the youth intake preview ratings and scout star ratings, it must be possible to narrow down the ranges. Ranges should be applied at every level in the youth intake system imo. The club youth intake ranking in the nation give the club a range of PA average for his youth intake inferior to the club which precedes it and superior to the club that follows it but since it's a wide range, it happens a lot that the actual PA average of a club is superior to a club better ranked. Same with the players, assuming a club is assigned 4 B players in its intake, let's say they can be from 140 up to 160 PA, the average PA will vary a lot. Therefore the range plays the role of the luck factor and ensure that smaller clubs or countries can get their share of wonderkids realistically.
Actually, there's a lot of overlapping in the ranges from what I observed in the star rating CA averages. So it might also be the case for every other range scale.
FM does have an existing 'category' for PA ratings, -1 to -10
eg. -10 = 170-200, -9.5: 160-190
I may be able to 'narrow down' the possible range of PA ratings based on this category.
The example used in this video - Nenad Pavlovic - had a range between 87~175, which is equivalent to -5.5 ~ -9.0 which is still very wide.
@ebfm may I ask where did you see these categories for PA? Because based on my save counting, star rating for CA, 0.5 stars is 1-80 for example. It would be a fairly easy test to do. Set up a club with max number of scouts with max stats to scout all players full knowledge and then count. I believe PA ranges should be the same as CA.
Great video series! Always wondered about one feature for youth intakes. There’s an affiliate option where you can have a ‘feeder’ club from a different country where their nationality of wonderkids may pop up in your intake. Always wondered how often that happened and if those feeder club wonderkids were better than the intake of your club’s nationality
Hey mate, currently investigating the role of affiliate clubs. Results coming soon!
Master class!!
Curious about the influence of affiliate feeder clubs now 🤓
Now we no longer need to scout all the youth intake from each nation. Just sort out by date and pick the top 5 club from each league. This is gaming changing (even though it is a little bit of a cheat).
bro i learned for 1 day that who have the best youth recruitment in country that club will pick (draft) youth intake first in that country you can check that on world nation transfers youtuh intake and pay attention to dates and youth recruitment i hope this is something new for you too
Canada played a really disappointing game, they let us down... but at least we have your vidoes to look forward to lol
great work
now only need find way to get the board to accept improvments.
Great work Max. Ive watched the video a few times and the draft idea seems pretty much confirmed. Heres a thought ... if the youth recruitment determines which 'picks' you get in the draft and youth facilities and Junior Coaching increase PA 17:15 that would mean other teams YF and JC being higher on a scale of 1-20 will be of benefit to every team in the league? Easy experiment... 4 teams. YR, 5,10,15,20. Keep the YR 20 team YF and JC at 10... but chabge all the OTHER teams YF and JC from 1, 5, 10, 20. In theory the 20 YR teams yout recruitment average PA should go up because the cohort in the draft should be better overall and they are getting 1st picks?
Hey bud, it's an interesting thought but not sure if YF/JC of 3 teams would affect the PA of the team with YR=20.
The order of YR will first determine which club gets the best newgens from the cohort. Once the newgens are sorted to the different clubs, then the other variables eg. YF/JC will further modify the CA/PA ratings of newgens.
eg.
Team A YR=20 YF=1 JC=1
Team B YR=19 YF=20 JC=20
Team B will 'initially' get the worse quality newgens due to having worse YR, but the high YF/JC may be enough to compensate for that 'initial' lack of quality and end up having better CA/PA than Team A.
It's not like the high YF/JC of Team B will pump up both Team A and B newgens.
Interesting, so JC and YF are PA modifiers applied after YR has already allocated the players based on a 'base' PA, so I think thr only variable left was the Country level youth rating, which I guess must decide the base PA.
Now next step for the hole nation/league. Would be intetessting how facilities works on the whole league. Does the PA rating (for all clubs) change, when the clubs have higher facilities?
Great work as per usual! 👍 One test I would be interested in seeing is if the PA of a club's current players has an effect on the youth intake CA/PA. So say have one team with player's PA all at 50 then a team with 100 PA, then 150 then 200 for example 🤔🧐
Also what I am getting from your findings is that the Star Rating on the Youth Preview isn't really relevant?.. before we would always want a 5 star 'Golden Generation' so it would be good to see if you could isolate one team give them best chance (max club rep, 20 yth recruit etc) and get them a 1 star youth preview then also a 5 star youth preview and compare the CA/PAs from the Youth Announcements
Hey bud, I haven't tested whether there's a correlation between the quality of the current squad & the quality of newgens. But I do know that the alphabet / star ratings given by the HOYD is relative to your Club Reputation. The same group of newgens can get either E or A ratings by the HOYD depending on your Club Rep.
In other words, the ratings given by the HOYD isn't the most reliable indicator of the quality of your newgens. CA/PA ratings are a lot more reliable.
@@ebfm Somewhat related. From personal experience the preview report and actual intake don't really match all that well. The grades for positions are completely off a lot of times.
Thank you for the video! And the research and effort behind it.
This is one of the main areas I'd always been curious about - how the drafting or pooling worked.
Only question outstanding on that, is if it's just league by league, or is the draft national (which you'd barely notice since naturally most of the higher YR teams would be in the higher leagues)?
I'd wager it's not global because it doesn't seem to track with the way the dates of the intakes are. In a save of mine for example, England gets their intakes starting 15 Mar, whereas Germany is 10 Mar - so I doubt Germany are *that* far ahead of England... so its probably not linked.
Hey mate,
Others have also brought up the question of 'drafting pool'. Is it based on a league / city / nation? This is one of the topics I'll be addressing in the next video. Answers are coming!
Great content as usuall. It would be intresting to se if PA value increase if you HOYD has high scouting attributes together with youth rating 20.
When you tested HOYD scouting attributes In earlier tests it showed a non correlation with PA. Im thinking it may be different if the HOYD gets to "pick" first because of the clubs high youth recrutment.
I would like to know is there any relationship between "Youth level" and "Newgen CA & PA", since there is "Youth level" for each England football club.
Hey bud, not sure what you mean by 'Youth level'. In the editor there is a parameter called 'Youth Importance' which I am currently investigating - will be discussed in the next video!
Hi Max, love the videos. When it comes to T3, theoretically, can I save scum in order to greatly increase the chances of getting the highest possible PA relative to my YR, JC, Country rating etc?
Hey bud, the answer is yes. In fact, T3 is probably the best time to savescum, since you get the results straightaway. And if you're going to savescum, you might as well use the editor to maximise the YR/JC etc. of your club. Keep savescumming until you get some wonderkids. It's what you deserve.
The obvious question from the youth recruitment ideas. What determines the size of the pool of high PA players in the league that youth recruitment is drawing from.
I would guess the Nation youth rating and/or League Reputation?
Hey bud, there are some parameters that affect PA eg. Junior Coaching, Youth Recruitment. Refer to the summary near the end of the vid. There could be other factors in play, such as the number of clubs in the same city / region - these will be investigated in the next vid.
I thought it might be possible to use the youth intake transfer day to determine which players it would make more sense to scout, but in my save clubs in non playable leagues have all their youth intake on the same day per country.
0:49 oh cool, trauma
Thanks. I didn't know about observation 4. That makes sense. Question for me, does it consider only clubs in same league or clubs in nation? For example I may have top recruitment in Ligue 2 but there are clubs in Ligue 1 - will the comparison be with Ligue 2 alone or both Ligue 1 and 2 clubs?
Hey bud, this is actually something I'm investigating at the moment, but to give you a preview:
All leagues in the same nation are considered to be in the same 'pool'. So even if you're in Ligue 2, if your Youth Recruitment is higher than the Ligue 1 clubs, you can still get better newgens than them. But remember that Club Reputation is also a factor. Ligue 2 teams typically have low Club Rep, so even if your YR = 20/20, the end result may not be too excellent.
@@ebfm Thanks. That makes things clearer.
Would be really interesting to know what the distribution of CA/PA under 'perfect conditions' looks like. For instance, you have a club with 20/20 youth facilities, youth recruitment and junior coaching, Real Madrid-level reputation and a brilliant HYOD. There seems to still be randomness in the players you get, but would be interesting to see the ranges, e.g. are you virtually guaranteed a 150+ PA talent per year in such circumstances?
... Playing FM2020 for 30+ seasons already. While I literally have never looked at CA/PA in-game, if a 3* PA kid of the top club in the world has 150+ PA already, then the answer to your question is "Yes". At least a few 3* players every season. However, it' still not really enough for THE top club, yah? 🤣
We would want a 180-200 PA player in our corner, aka a 5* PA guy. Now, this one is really, really rare. I have about ... let me count, maybe 6 in 30+ seasons including a current wonderkid. And only 2 of them make it to 5* max. One 5* SC dropped to 4* max, because the clubs he loaned to put him in midfield (and I always train SCs to play as AMCs), and his CA was diluted in other positions till he became 4*.
Hey bud, this is something I'm thinking of doing in the next video, where I stack the effects of multiple variables to create a 'perfect condition'. My guess is that even in that case you're still not guaranteed an army of Messi's / Ronaldo's because there's still a lot of randomness involved. Results will be revealed in the next vid!
Cheers for this series, very informative stuff! Another thing I've been very curious about is the correlation between the Youth Preview rating (both the star rating & the "letter" rating for each position that the HOYD gives you) and the eventual announcement. If CA/PA of the same player fluctuate so wildly between the preview and the announcement, does it make these ratings more or less... meaningless?
Hey bud, this is something I didn't mention in the videos, but the alphabet / star ratings given by the HOYD are very unreliable. They depend on your Club Reputation.
Better to wait for the actual newgens to arrive and inspect their CA/PA ratings.
@@ebfmAgreed. I observed this in a save. Best use of the preview is to identify which positions are being filled. The save was a youth academy challenge save.
Couple of questions. (That might be answerable)
1) Does the league rep matter? For example PL team VSC Championship team with same Rep, YR & YC.
2) Does your rep count in the league of a foreign affiliate when getting youth players from their academy, the club from that league or you rep in your league?
Hey mate,
1. in the Part 3 video (czcams.com/video/BirmMUL0jHU/video.html) I tested the effects of league reputation. It has no effect on CA/PA ratings of newgens.
2. affiliate newgens will be investigated in the next video!
@@ebfm thanks, looking forward to the next video 👍🏼 keep up the good work
How close are the teams to each other in terms of latitude and longtitude? I wonder whether or not that in which city a player is born will also affect how the youth recruitments are distrubeted, for example if maybe a team with slightly lower YR will get a player because the player was born in that city.
Hey bud, it's been a while since I posted this video so I can't recall for sure, but I do remember having trouble establishing a conclusive relationship between the club's geographical location and the quality of youth.
One of my main queries in this video was to find out which clubs belonged in the same draft pool (all clubs in the nation / region / continent). The results were inconclusive.
If you're asking about the actual place of birth of individual players, I did not record them in these tests, so can't say for sure.
Is there any info out there for how youth training affiliations work and what affects your chances of getting a good foreign player?
Any idea if area of club effects regen ethnicity. Eg West Ham based in london produces a lot of regens with second nationality this obviously reflects real life on the other hand teams like Everton based in Liverpool regens are mostly English welsh Irish again seems to reflect real life is this hard coded by si or can it be edited?
Hey mate, not sure if the game reflects the ethnicity of newgens to that degree 😅
I am currently running some tests related to club geography. It appears that as the club's scouting knowledge expands, the nationalities of newgens become more diverse.
Results will be discussed in the next video.
something i noticed. is that CA seems to be correlated with the reputation of the club. if you looks Team D has 10k Rep and get a CA of 48. which is much higher then team A who only has 6k Rep. and you can see that Team A roughly correlates with.
Love the vids and keep on the good work. but would love to also get some more details on the CA of players.
Hey mate, Ive mentioned this in the summary but CA rating is indeed influenced by Club Reputation. 13:00 shows Team D (10k reputation) has the highest CA rating.
@@ebfm I also think this is great work, but I also don't think you've fully figured out the relationship between Youth Recruitment and Reputation. Team D's PA rating is also consistently higher than Team C's PA rating in the first three tests, even though it has a lower Youth Recruitment rating. It also increases to be higher than Team A's rating in the fourth test at 13:37. I can buy that there is some sort of hierarchy here, but I think Reputation plays a larger role than as a simple tiebreaker.
@@mashun0009 Hey bud, you're right, this is something that's been bugging me. It is possible that Club Reputation affects PA ratings as well as CA ratings, or there's some other mechanism at play that I have overlooked. I might have to update my conclusions again in the next video 😅
Interesting that it involves the teams in your league ( which makes sense) when it comes to decide who gets the best of the bunch and not the team's location. I mean, of course if a team is not in your league but in your same city, they would obviously have different pools of players to pick from then. Because a Premier League team vs a lower league team in the same town, you would think the premier league team would be more attractive right? Although they might have lower facilities and such.
Dunno how can one test that though or the town location of the team even matters other than for rivalries. I am guessing not.
Like having 2 teams from the same city, one at the top and the other in the lower league and adjusting their facilities and such to see if the lower league team with better facilities and recruitment would get a better intake than the higher league one. Of course the obvious affect is also the Club reputation from the different leagues and League reputation.
Boy, it really does get complicated huh.
Of course League reputation the team is playing is a huge factor. Same exact club in Premier and Championship, I bet the the club in Premier will have better Intake. This because of the dates of the intake, lower leagues intakes are always later and often all on the same day. But it's easily checked if Max want to check that. Regarding cities/regions, I believe it plays a role as well. If I'm not mistaking in Max test league, all clubs are in the same city. He mentioned he might test that in a later video, so maybe next week.
Hey mate, cities/regions of clubs is something I've so far overlooked. In the tests so far, all the clubs were based in the same city (Amsterdam). I will try varying the cities of clubs in the next vid, let's see how the results turn out!
How much of a difference does an excellent intake compare to a bad/average intake? Sometimes ill get a really good player in a bad intake, but 4 average ones in an excellent intake? (speaking about CA and PA)
I guess the average of the intake matters the most? Although the Excellent vs other type of descriptions seem to be based on what scouts or your staff thinks in their star rating opinion. You can get 10 rubbish players and one Messi level player and the staff might go ''It is a bad intake'' but that one guy would be the all you ever want.
Hey mate, even if you have a 'bad' intake, variance is usually quite wide. You might get 10 crappy players + 1 wonderkid which isnt a bad intake at all. But if you improve the club facilities, the overall qulity of your newgens will improve as a whole.
So, I’m confused. If you can change your settings just before your youth announcement, but until that point you have the worst youth recruitment…wouldn’t all the other teams in the league have had their announcement already? Meaning, it doesn’t matter what you change your settings to at that point because the other teams in the league got the “good” crop? If that’s the case, wouldn’t you need to change your ratings before the announcement of the first team in your league…and not based on your own?
Hey bud, I know it's confusing. I didn't mention this in the video but it's possible that YR has a 'dual effect' on the PA ratings of players:
1. At Youth Preview, the 'rough range' of PA ratings are determined
2. At Youth Announcement, the 'actual range' of PA ratings are determined
eg. At YP, the range of possible PA may be 'roughly' determined to 140-190, then at YA, the actual PA rating is pinpointed.
I didn't mention this in the video because I didn't have conclusive evidence.
And yes, it is rather peculiar that you can change YR 1 day before the YA event and it will still make a difference 😅
@@ebfm got it. So then all factors (e.g. coaches, youth recruitment, facilities) would need to be maxed before the YP in order to get the biggest possible PA ranges, right?
@@drenman81 The 'dual effect' seems to exist only with Youth Recruitment, not with Youth Facilities.
And yes, YR should be maxed before Youth Preview for the biggest possible PA ratings.
Does the data provide any insight into the "Youth Player Poached" event?
No I didn't take that event into account. Not sure how that event works. Due to the low incidence of the event it'll be a bit difficult to test though...
I noticed that I usually get bad batches the year after I get a "golden generation" of youngsters, could there be some sort of soft cap at the number of high PA youngsters that a club is allowed to have at any given time (so if your club currently has many high PA youngsters, then the recruitment will be poorer, in order to not completely break the league, but of course it doesn't stop one from buying the best youngsters)
Hey mate, I've also had similar experiences where I got a 'golden generation' followed by few more years of absolute garbage. Even when you upgrade all your club facilities, there's still a lot of randomness involved, so that could be why. Also, the assessments made by your HOYD are not always accurate, so when your HOYD says 'golden generation', it may not necessarily be too accurate.
@@ebfm that makes sense thanks!
Bonjour a quel point la note de recrutement des jeunes d un pays influence le PA moyen des newgen de ce pays , ça peux être intéressant ?
Bonjour, not sure if I understood you correctly (used google translate), but are you asking about the "Youth Rating" of different nations?
"Youth Rating" affects both CA and PA ratings of newgens. See Part 3 video for more details!
i wonder if the star ratings are illusive because when on the young announcement, for example a player has 3 star PA rating, when i sign this player it then shows for example 4 star or 2 star PA rating. I don't know if this only happens to me but if you can enlighten me on those topic i'd be appreciated
Hey mate, this isn't something explicitly discussed in the video but I wouldn't trust the star / alphabet ratings given by your HOYD. They are unreliable. Trust the CA/PA ratings instead!
sooooo now the question is how to build a club's reputation?
win
win some trophies 😅
Can there be a relationship between the local region or city of the team and the newgens?
There might be indeed. The bigger the city/region, the more chances to get good players. The less good clubs around, the more chances, etc. Max mentioned in a comment he might look at that in a future video, so maybe next time?
"Youth Recruitment Ranking is the only thing that matters" seems like a strange conclusion here.
In the top 3 scenarios, team C has the 3rd ranked YR, and by PA is 4th, 6th, and 7th of 8 teams. That's a pretty damn clear indicator that your conclusion that ranking is the primary factor here is wrong, and that the actual score is making a difference. If it was just ranking, you wouldn't see any change in those 3 scenarios. You'll also notice that Team D, with the lower ranking, lower youth recruitment, and higher reputation scores above Team C in all three of those scenarios.
If you really want to test ordinal ranking, keep Team C at 15, and move Teams A and B down to 10. That way only the ordering has changed and not Team C's actual score.
And having multiple variables moving (Reputation, YR, and YR-Rank) makes it really hard to make any useful conclusions from this data. Were youth facilities/Junior coaching the same across all 8 teams? Or is that another variable here? It's good that you're doing these tests, but you're really sloppy in your setups and that makes all this really suspect.
It also seems like CA is heavily correlated to Reputation (look at how much higher Club D's CA is than the other clubs in every scenario) - which makes me highly doubt some sort of ordered draft is going on.
Hey mate,
I've mentioned in the summary (17:05) that PA is affected by the absolute values of factors such as YR, Youth Facilities, Junior Coaching, National Youth Rating. Indeed, 'the actual score is making a difference' like you've said.
In 13:05 my focus wasn't on the absolute values of CA/PA. I was focusing more on the fact that in the top 3 scenarios, Team A had top PA, but in the bottom scenario, Team C had top PA, which demonstrates the importance of YR-ranking and convinces me to accept the draft hypothesis.
In the 4 scenarios shown, all other variables were held constant. YR of Team C was the only variable changed.
I've also mentioned in the summary that Club Reputation indeed affects CA, as I see you've noticed.
@@ebfm "but in the bottom scenario, Team C had top PA, which demonstrates the importance of YR-ranking"
You can't make that conclusion because you also changed the absolute score - from 15->20, so it's not just ranking that changed.
And everywhere else in the game, 1 and 20 are values. A player with 20 professionalism has a completely different personality label than a player with 19. And a player with 1 professionalism has a completely different label than one with 2. And increasing an ability score from 19->20 eats way more PA than increasing it from 18->19. And the coaching/scouting reports have unique messages for 1 and 20 scores. These things aren't necessarily linear.
If you want to do this right, this is how you do it:
Set clubs in league to Training Facilities/Youth Facilties/Junior Coaching 10, Reputation = 5000.
Then you do trials with clubs with the following YR ratings :
1) 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8
2) 5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12
3) 9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16
4) 13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20
(Ideally you do more trials than that so you have more overlap, or go to 10 teams)
Then put each trial as a series on a line chart with PA on the Y axis, and ranking on the X axis. If Ranking is the predominant variable, the graphs will all look about the same, the lines will all be very close - if Rating is, they won't - they'll be stacked with the later trials being higher. I'm willing to bet that the 1 score and 20 score are outliers and don't end up in line.
After you do that - compare the ratings across different trials - IE, look at the team with Rating =5 in Trial 1, and Trial 2, and see how different a team is when it has Rating=5, Rank = 4, vs Rating=5, Rank = 8. Again, if Rank is the important thing, the team with a rating of 5 will be much worse in Trial 2 than Trial 1.
how can u see when other clubs get their youth preview
Top right corner of screen > World icon > World > Transfers > Youth Intake
You can view the dates of other teams there.
@@ebfm tyvm ser
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