The Best Attributes for Strikers in FM
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- čas přidán 14. 06. 2024
- The greatest question in Football Manager: why are my strikers not scoring? Well, I suppose this doesn’t answer that question exactly, but its another piece of the FM puzzle! I am enjoying diving into data like this to help figure out which attributes to fixate on. Or, at least what to recommend when I’m answering the questions in my DMs. A balanced test to figure out which attributes can make strikers and forwards more effective. My how much we’ve progressed in our analysis.
If you have any other ideas for videos like this let me know, I have the files to do this kind of test at every position, there are a lot of potential things we could do when it comes to excel sheets and tests. Chat had to edify me on how to work these things in Football Manager, but I can now put these videos together fairly quickly. Still slow, but faster than my previous FM data mining moves. Anyways, hope you enjoy!
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1. strength
2. heading
3. dribbling
4. off the ball
5. work rate
6. technique
7. acceleration
8. composure
9. vision
10. passing
I mean in a system of all average players, of course the Target Man types will fare better since Set-pieces and crosses can be over-powered.
the top 3 is not surprising at all , but i expected composure to have more impact tbh
Thank you. Ngl I think Zealand rambles a bit too much at times
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Can you do for other positions please??
Zeaiand: Number 1 is Strength
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@@agati1014 has he been good
I think in the future instead of having all the other attributes at 10 you should make them 15, just so it’s not such a stark difference in quality. For example I think strength would be a lot less important if it was a more realistic advantage, rather than literally double everyone else on the pitch. Same with all the physicals tbh
I had a save in League Two where my top scorer in one season was a winger, by quite a margin, with 3 finishing.
I once had a regen striker with 18 finishing and I thought he was going to be a god and then he got out scored by my wingers who like yours had about 6 finishing Hahahaha
I had an 11 finishing and 10 heading winger (actually in winger role) who scored almost 100 goals in 6-7 seasons for me and I checked his strength after this video, it was 15!
You can have Harry Kane-like finishing strikers in FM without great strength or pace, but you need other shooting attributes too. Good technique, balance and first touch along with finishing makes a great striker.
But yeah, playing in the low leagues recently it’s taken me far too long to realise if your striker is only good at one stat, it should be physical.
@@jat7018 for me I had a striker who was an absolute beast in non leagues (we re talking minimum 45 goals/season and the physicals and ofc strength are his strongest attributes
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The best striker I ever had in FM was an absolutely nothing player with 11 finishing but 20 composure.
Would be interesting to see how the list would be if you set the attribute you are checking to 15 instead. I think the spread would look a bit different. I suspect some attributes, like dribbling, scale better than others. I also suspect the reason for Strength being so good is that it's usually the only attribute a defender has that is better than the opposing striker. So they made it matter a lot in the box to give defenders a chance.
Edit: Oh, and great videos btw. Keep em coming!
That was my first thought too! Maybe setting them at least at 13 would make the results more "realistic" and more useful for us all.
Experiment idea:
20 in every stat except one stat which is at 10 so you can see if there is a stat that even with everything else being good, what will hold your players back the most
That is actually the greatest idea ever! Though I don't think a player can get 20 at almost everything because his CA had to be 500 or something then but it can't get higher than 200 so I think 15 at everything would work.
Now THAT sounds super dope. Would love to see that video too
@@tarkdasgn8270 You can freeze attributes which i already think they are doing otherwise players would change
Rather than giving everyone the same attribute score all around, do you think I'd be better to do it based on position? For example give defenders all the same attribute as eachother, but make it realistic for a defender. A key issue with strength being the top of the table is that the defender all had 10 strength which is extremely unrealistic as average strength for defenders is probably closer to 15
I think strength is a very good attribute to have especially when all the opponents are weaker, like everyone here having 10.
If you had to play better opponents with actual stats I imagine it'd have less of a real impact.
Still, food for thought. Great content man.
Yeah I agree its very rare that a striker would have a lot more strength than a defender.
And simulating even for once season means that those attributes would change sure to training, injuries etc so you can't truly know what is really important
@@Jur1_00 they wouldn't change that much
Those strikers with high strength are target man
Yes, if you play in a bad league an aerial dominant player, strength/jumping/heading, is unstoppable on set pieces.
Against more balance opponents not so much.
People who go out and just buy strong strikers now have really missed the point. Being twice as strong as every other player on the pitch is a far bigger advantage than being twice as good at finishing. Finishing doesn't help you gain an advantage over another player.
A test on goalkeepers would be interesting...I can never quite work out exactly what makes a good goalie and often the ones I think will be awesome turn out to be trash
Passing, shot stopping, and agility for me
@@jbo4547 there is no "shot stopping" attribute, so which attributes do you lump together to get "shot stopping"?
@@MultiChillidog hmmm im not looking at my FM but i probably meant reflexes or some shit. Idk man lol
Single most important attribute is handling. Don't drop the soap in prison or the football in the area.
For me is consistency. 3 star, very consistent GK do the trick.
This is the kind of content I want to watch from a fm CZcamsr. Thank you for doing this. Would be very happy to see you do all these Sims in fm21 as well.
I know the amount of work you put into this must of been incredible but this is one of your most informative and highly useful videos you have done. Amazing work . Cheers
Love these videos man. Watched this one a couple of times now.
Would he AWESOME to see similar videos that do attributes for other positions too (midfielders, wingers/wide midfielders, fullbacks, Centre backs, etc.) and look at how teams perform with statistics like assists, key passes, blocks, clean sheets, etc.
Would love to see more content like that! Also liked the other attribute table video too. Hopefully we see more soon!
After seeing Didier Drogba through the 2000s do so well, I noticed he didn't get pushed around by the defense because he was so strong; I started looking for strikers with Strength and Composure when I could, and I was impressed with the results. Glad to see a little confirmation here ☺
I'm really starting to believe that this is the best Football Manager channel in history, keep up the good work.
I actually expected composure to be much higher. Being cold blooded seems like a must-have for a striker to me. What I really take from this, it's the advantage of work-rate over determination. I know it's really difficult to measure, but it would be cool to see if players with high determination actually have a higher chance of make comebacks in a match or not. Because if not, and your club strategy doesn't involve developing players, it would be something less to look for when scouting and signing players.
What really amazes me is seeing an american so interested and good at football manager. Abraços do Brasil. Great Channel 👍 (wait... wait... strenght?!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Another awesome video. The editing was a lot cleaner too. I think we need a video with the same testing parameters but instead, a team with the perfect target man (FC), advanced forward FC, False 9 FC etc. Would be really interesting and you could do this with every role theoretically.
Loving all the content at the moment! Can’t wait for the fm21 videos :)
I would love to see one of these for Keepers. I’ve had a bunch of different goalies with different attribute strengths in saves but have never really seen a noticeable difference in overall performance when it’s come to different attribute strengths in the position.
Awesome breakdown! Love these videos!
Really love these kind of test, very inspiring
I've always chosen strikers with high "off the ball" and "composure". I noticed the most prolific strikers for me have had high attributes there. I'm surprised pace was so low though - I have also had fast strikers or midfielders with less than 10 finishing that have been very prolific. If I have 2 up front, I quite like the classic one fast (16+) and one slow striker (~11).
I'd be interested in seeing this simulation with players in typical styles for their role...f.e. give defenders typical defending stats, wingers typical winger stats and see whether stuff has changed...also I guess it's really important to look at the tactical approach, to have some balanced tactic for it
On the "off the ball" attribute thing; I remember hearing Teddy Sheringham had "the 1st yard in his head" a lot as a kid. That's off the ball movement. That's why he signed for Man Utd and won the Champions league in his 30s. And then carried on playing in the prem until he was 40
Been waiting for this upload ever since I saw it live! Btw, I'm actually still mad about the Streamer Showdown lol.
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Great experiment! I would be very interested in a GK video because I have two keepers in my current save who are very different and I can't decide which one to start.
It would be great to see these exercises updated to the lastest edition. I think it would be a great way to track whether FM makes changes to the game mechanics.
Depends on your tactics. Having said that, I tend to look at Anticipation and Off the ball stats first for my strikers
Entertaining as always.. Thanks! YOu may have heard it several times but did you consider starting a commentary carreer?
But what attribute had the most goals or best goalscoring striker's?
Love your videos, mate. Better than playing the game.
I think it would be an interesting comparison if you were to run the experiment again, but set all the other attributes of the forwards to 1.
It seems obvious that strength will always win, all attributes being equal, as the stronger player will always be in a position to exploit the other attributes.
Could you make a continuation video where you see what to look for after strenght? So one team for each attribute except for strenght but with 20 strenght for every team. Great video!
Interesting that passing was so high. I wonder if that was down to having a strike partner or not so an interesting test would be if playing up to on their own would change that.
The best formation is the 433. Your striker needs passing to pick up his wide players.
Off the ball is lethal, that's why Tammy Abraham was top goalscorer for Chelsea this season and he's scored 2 in 2 games for us. He gets himself so many opportunities even if his actual finishing could be improved.
This is great and yes I am looking forward to which atribute can you live without for 15s across the board. And which two attributes carry you the most.
Like does having high strength and heading that finished so well here outrank a player with high pace and acceleration?
These are fantastic.
The bigger surprise in my mind is that Long Shots did so badly. Considering I see absolute wonder goals every other game (usually the other team scoring against me).
I think it's due to the fact that longshot alone doesn't generate goals. Need finishing and other attributes as well, like vision and teqnique.
Could you include weak foot in these? Id like to see how two footed fc does.
Also isnt the simulation different when simming than when watching? Do we know that simming will accurately reflect when we play?
Also I loved this! Keep making nerdy stat videos!
It would be interesting, and more accurate imo, if opponents' abilities are controlled. You can extend this experiment by trying to pair some of the best attributes and test how they do together. For example I wonder how would the badly performing 'finishing' do in combination with the best attribute - strength, or generally which of the other attributes can make finishing the most effective. Very good content, i wish there is more to come
Strength has always been my priority for strikers since FM2007. Works every year.
Hey Z can you do something like that but as Team Technical vs Team Mental vs Team Physical? I’m afraid it wouldn’t be as informative cause wingers and centrebacks will have different needs but I’d find it interesting.
Team technical easily wins. Difference between being actually good at football and usain bolt 😂
I’d actually assumed mentals win because of composure, decisions, positioning and all that jam
Besir Sehabi I believe mental will beat physical, but being good with the football is more important than being smart. But it would be good to see :)
for what its worth, i did a test on fm19 comparing all three with individual players and teams, i ran loads of different variations and physical always came out on top or produced the best player every time, followed some way back by technicals and finally mentals were quite poor. The one thing i found interesting was the lower down the leagues you go, physicals became even more important, which makes sense when you think about it. Since then, when i do a non league save and climb to the prem i always focus on the physical attributes first and have had a lot of success with it.
Great vid Zeaiand!! Can you make for other positions?
This is some proper research, thanks for it. Any plans for more positions?
unable to open the excel. can you put in comments the link?
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Nice video and i believe more accurate than the first one. I would suggest the next attribute testing if it happens to be a bit different . I will say it in terms of this one and u can modify it it accordingly. You make every player with 15 attributes or 20 in everything except the attribute u want to test which will be 10 . I believe that 15 the max and 10 the least is better in general because someone with 20 strength will hammer someone with only 10 . Also i would check not only the points in the league but key things in the position i want to check . For instance avg rating of the strikers in each team , because they are strikes goals and maybe assists. i guess it gets to technical so only season avg rating will do . The thing i believe its important is to make the testing attribute for a position the worst and see how the lack of it determines the avg rating of the position i dont know for sure but i believe it's more accurate.
love this kinda video
You did a pretty good job with this test. Thank you very much. Know i finally understand why my shitty striker with streng and heading at 15 scores so much
Yo Z, first of all Great channel.
I'm a FM fanatic and your channel, no discussion, is the best in the game.
I got a couple of questions for you:
Do you think that Si games and EA sports will improve the tranfer section? will they allow the manager to make sponsorship deals? and the most important thing: will they fix some of the bugs? Van Dijk(scores like an international striker) the gegenpress(is almost undefeatable).
I'm looking forward to see your replay
Have a nice day.
I did the same experiment for FM mobile about 3 or 4 years ago and I think Pace came out on top (I have to go and look for the article I wrote about it) but my experiment didn't take account of injuries, roles, duties and tactics so it was open to interpretation.
By the I'm writing this before watching the video so I don't know yet what attribute would come top
Pls do this for every position😃
Damn 'nice' and i just signed Toney for Sunderland in the championship....hope he does good
Would be great if you could do this for every position on the field... though the work behind such a task is probably immense
Anyway, great video, thanks Z!
Just saw the end of the video now, where you mentioned you will do this for every other position 😬
The best strikers I have had in Fm are always the ones who have good off the ball and anticipation, composure and pace. But I usually play with Advanced Forwards, its pretty meta in this game to have a smart & fast striker. And has been so for many versions.
You sir, are a CZcams natural talent. My scout gave you a five star potential and your attributes are justifying that.
He certainly is.
Sometimes I think it's a shame that his subject doesn't have a wider market, but then I remember that means we get to keep him all to ourselves.
And that worries me.
love the reasearch
nice video zealand, ive already finished it
Sergio Ramos is a good example of a player with high Strentgh and Heading who does pretty well on the attacking front without being an attacker. Those two attributes are pretty important in real life too. :)
This is great. Could you do this for midfielders, defenders and goalies????
That puts it together. In lower leagues both teams are struggling to score. Every ball flies to corner off GK chest.
Seems that STR more than 10 is a "stat check" and the game mechanics are broken so your scoring chance is negligable otherwise.
I think that if change 10-20 test to 1-10 result may be even more noticeable.
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Will you do these types of videos at the start of fm21 as these results may differ a lot in a new game?
It is also interesting if the results will be the same if the formations are different, as strikers in 2-striker tactics usually attack the goal and shoot from different angles, compared to the lone striker tactics. Also, as somebody already mentioned, did the players had either footed preferrence and to ask it that way - to what extend does the preferred foot impact the finishing ability?
Nice - I guess it depends on your squad. Personally, I love strikers who can drop back as IF so -- pace (and dribbling), baby, pace. Position flexibility is so useful when having to play 3 times a week during champions league season.
i feel like you should do these but instead of everyone just having 10 of everything you could work out what the average cb, rb and lb and etc. are, in terms of attributes and height and even footedness, then you get to test the striker attributes against what the average backline, that might affect the success of certain attributes (like heading) although i do think there’s a lot of successful takeaways to your test especially the “creating shots > finishing shots” point
The results make sense as in my new ac Milan save Zlatan had good stats but lacked physically due to his age, his attributes over time lowered, his ability to get into the spaces required to have a shot on goal was so limit he only scored 2 goals in all comps in which he played about 30-32 games, it’s sad because I feel like you can’t have a nostalgic older player brought in at the end of his career even tho his stats are still good
Would be interesting to see how this changes if the 5-3-2 used inverted wing backs, because it would drastically reduce the amount of crossing.
Zealand a look on top scoring attribute every season would be nice.
I'd like to see some combination tests, although they're naturally more complex. Like with finishing for example, it's closely tied with technique. A high finishing with a poor technique is basically useless as I see it. The reason why something like strength dominates is because it doesn't need a support attribute of any kind.
Hi zealand if you do the same but with all attributes in 15 and the specific one with 10 could be other way to see the importance of the attributes
Attributes you can't live without would be a cool experiment. Something like a database where players on a team all have 1 in a single stat, and then 10 in all other stats. So for instance, team "Low Dribbling" would have 10 in every stat except dribbling, which would be 1. This could be useful for lower league saves when you're evaluating players who have mostly good stats, but there's a stat or two that's abysmal.
This would explain why Chris wood is always one of the top scorer in the Prem in my saves
Two things we REALLY need to know.
1. The Combo. The 3 Stats Combined that outpace all other 3 Stat Combos. Because getting a guy with 9 to 12 Stats really high isn't likely, but finding a guy (and training a guy) in the Right 3 can be done by most of us. And then, of course, the Training Regiment that amps those specific 3. :D
2. And the C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! What Stat fights in the shade, alone on a narrow mountain pass, the True Spartan that just keeps the Combo at Bay... if one exists.
Then we can create fan-fic and role play about these epic struggles. No... wait... we just Train guys in FM23 and let them duke it out there. I guess we can still role-play while we do that, though.
Cool video 😁 Can you do one for goalkeepers? 🤔
Полезный видос, спасибо! :)
Wasn't strength also the team that played 4-4-2? Maybe the only team that played a different formation matched up really well against the other formation. It's just really interesting to see that the difference at the top is so big!
U should try the same experiment but the best attributes together, so 20pace w one players and 20strength w the other up front together
shoutout to your British and Irish lions jersey in the thumbnail
nice video ! :D why 10 as the low threshold, why not 1 and then 20. to really see what attribrute that stands out on itsown?
Fascinating.
Never expected to see you in a lion's top haha, do you watch the tours or did you just like the jersey?
Explains Troy Deeney in most of my saves
Clicked on this for the Lions jersey in the thumbnail and it doesn't even make an appearance
@Zealand Could you please do this kind of video for more postitions?
I have an idea for an experiment - which position is most important? Have a bunch of teams, each with players in a different position's scores boosted up by 2 from the baseline 10.
Or boost to 20 if you wanna be crazy about it, I'd just be really interested to see that incremental change
honestly my big takeaway is that marking is so high. You would figure it would be worse for strikers because it would allow them to win the ball further up the field but that wasn't the case.
I might be wrong but I think strength affects how well they finish. shot power and all that
some attributes works well with other attributes. Tackling works well with bravery (and aggressiveness) for instance or passing works well technique. Finishing alone is not enough if you dont have composure and desicions. So I think its understandable finishing was so low
The attributes show us why Advanced Forward is so lethal
Gotta agree with BiggDanKillen Strikers being dominant in 1 attribute is something I wonder how same experiment will result when the opponent defenders have all attributes 15. While it is easy to infer that high off the ball strikers perform better they're simply beating up relatively low off the ball and positioning defenders. While I appreciate your experimental educational video. I believe If defender stats are raised to overperform against striker's non-isolated stats results may vary. This experiment checks out striker attribute performance against less CA(current ability) defenders, I wonder how will the results change against same or higher CA defenders.
Man said Instagram in description when it's like the only link not there. Ahh all love Zea.
i wonder what would happen if you did this with all the outfielders in the squad.
which is most important, mental, skill or physical attributes?
also were these games played in the 3d match engine or in the sim whilst unemployed? I find that matches i play without changing tactics get different results than going on holiday and use current team and tactics. the scores can be dramatically different. (yeah i save scum)
how do you get your wingers to cross to the strikers more often ?
any link to the full video where zealand makes the excel? thanks
I think a way to make this even more accurate would be take out the highest and lowest score of the 10.
Getting rid of the outliers
excellent
Klopp came out and said that Divock Origi was easily the best finisher in the Liverpool Squad. He was behind Salah, Firmino, (Mane), Dias, Jota, etc. in the starting lineup.
Love the British Lions Rugby Jersey
Are these attribute rankings still accurate in fm22? Does SI tweak the value of these year by year for balance?
Work rate is so underrated :)