Mercedes W123 Restoration | Welding Part 2
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in this episode, I update you on the progress made on the Mercedes in terms of rust removal and welding new metal in.
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There is no other way to learn than try. I really adore what you do, and your dedication to work.
Should have asked the owner which of the 4 rust patches he would like welded for the money, then given them a price for the rest...
you posted what i was thinking :) 100% agreed
Ok mark
You sounded so down on this episode and i have to tell you:
You did great! We all make mistakes and surprises always happen even to the best of us.
Kudos
I want to give a shout out to fitzee's fabrication. If you want to see some truly amazing fabrication and welding. Make sure you check him out.
He helped greatly on my Karmann Ghia project, the man's a legend!
I was about to say that, i did some work on my friends honda and he helped me a tone
+1 Helped me a lot too !
Man, I remember how you were back with the e30 welding, and you've definitely improved leaps and bounds. Keep your chin up. You're really getting better and these videos only serve to prove that.
Man, that's brutal. That car has so much rust it's crazy to think that it would have to go through this much effort to fix all of it before actually restoring everything else. Hopefully, this will be the only issue you'll face and everything else is smoothing sailing from there.
Rather than stitch welding, sounds like you were stitched up! I would have personally done the four places of welding as agreed, then asked the owner what he would like done with all the other extensive rust repairs needed and negotiate a separate price.
This Mercedes owner is so lucky to have you working on their car. I would have loved to have you do this work to my Benz, and would have been even happier to get to help. I have been pretty fortunate on the no rust issues for my car, but watching this definitely makes me happy I live in the Southern US where we don't use salt on the roads.
Pricing a job like this is always going to be very difficult so I'm hoping your customer is sensible enough to realise this and even though you are a highly professional person it's not possible to keep your passion for excellence when you know you're losing your shirt on a job so in my opinion a difficult conversation is well worth having
If I may say so, you have always been way too hard on yourself, in my opinion. I get that you're somewhat of a perfectionist, but the work you do is *always* amazing, and this Mercedes is no exception. Can't wait for the next episode!
I know from personal experience that rust on a car is like an iceberg - what you can see on the outside is about 20% of what’s sitting below the surface. I know this will look amazing when it’s finished though.
I made the very same experience, back in the days when I was working in a car shop. Unfortunately, my boss never learned it. So it often happened that we welded for days and did not even make any money from it, because he had offered the work far too cheap. Very annoying.
When you brought this mercedes project in I had a feeling it was going to go this way . I knew it would be worse than assumed. Well good luck still good content shown in these videos. All good stuff
I can't help but smile, seeing this. I'm currently restoring a 280CE as well. It's my first restoration. And: I ran into exactly the same problems. Very similar rust spots. So good to see I'm not alone 🙂. Nearly thought about giving up along the way but kept going. In a couple of weeks it gets its paint job. Such a nice feeling. Kudos to you. We're all in it together, it's our common disease. 🥳
Hahaha in a very rusty restoration project the commercials for The Walking Dead Survivors. just to the point, top notch!
Hey bloke… don’t get too down on yourself. Bottom line is…..you made a commitment & you honour your word. The inspiration and appreciation generated by your vids , as much as not measured by any means here, is invaluable. Keep up your good work mate 👍❤️🇦🇺
You will have learned so much about what to do and what not to do with this project. How to do certain jobs, fix certain problems, what you like and don't like doing, how to work with other people's cars and how to manage customers. So whatever happens, its been worth it and you'll be better version of yourself than when you started. Chin up and keep going :)
I think you are smashing it. I'm attempting to learn to weld too. I would be over the moon to get results like you. At the moment I can't even get things to stick together! More welding content please
In my experience being "good at welding" is all about having the right equipment at your hands. That and knowing what equipment is needed for a specific job. A lot of people say they are terrible at welding, but it's firstly because they don't have the right machine, or have it set up incorrectly.
Learning is a growing pain. Gotta mess up a bit to gain experience and make more informed decisions in the future. Take it with stride and don't beat yourself up. You did great and you'll do even better with more projects under your belt.
I don't think the video is as bad as you think. It really shows how much work was needed to such complex sections. All that double skin and tricky shapes! I think you have done very well.
I follow you from Saudi Arabia keep it up
Success is built on a foundation of failures. If you don't have a teacher to show you how to do new things it's gonna take more time to learn how to do them, mistakes will be made along the way and that's ok. Whether you succeed or not is up to you and how motivated you are to acomplish your goals.
Great job fixing up that rust. Not bad at all for a beginner!
Fair play mate that’s a serious task and a tedious one after quoting for half if not a quarter of the time originally thought it would take to do the 4 rust pieces. Hope the owner appreciates it all when it’s done.
George Karellas from the Soup Classic Motoring channel have a great experience with such projects esp the w123 mercedes
Glad to see another episode!
I think you're doing great! Don't beat yourself up too much about this one, although I know that's hard to do. But that Merc is a total nightmare! What a rust bucket!! - just brutal. There's so much work in there, but it is a learning experience although probably not the ideal one considering your channel demands. Looking forward to seeing the follow-up and future BMW content.
I had the same feeling the first moment i saw that Merc in Episode 1!
Don't be too hard on yourself you are doing great. I did notice the crafty diff filler screw that sneaked back on its own in that other episode!! I was looking to buy one of these for daily use but you certainly show the problems to expect.
Wow this is a classic example of waaaaaaay more rust than expected
With experience comes skill and confidence. You’ll look back on these patch repairs and wish you had cut back the metal much more. It actually makes it easier because when you do weld, you’re welding thick, rust-free metal. If I were you, I would get some welding classes. The time taken will save you time in the long run.
I don't know what you agreed work or cost wise, the only thing I would say repair bigger, little patches are covering a lot a rust behind them, it would probably work out easier to just replace the inner and outer sills if available, cut them off and replace, welding is like everything, the more you do, the better you get. Good works so far.
I usually just enjoy your small restoration jobs but found I actually enjoyed this also.
Nice job 👍 can't wait to see the car finished.
Excellent repair and restoration
Need more workshop organisasjon videos😀 i love the 3-4 first videos in Your new shop😀
I'm restoring 2 cars atm, and I also find myself staring at a task much too long trying to plan the attack before jumping in, even after plenty of research.
Most restore shops I have called don't give estimates for specific jobs, they just provide hourly prices. I'm not saying every shop has to do that, and people will certainly still ask for quotes, but if you do give a quote I'd just stipulate its a quote based on what you can see, but that it could be more or less work (at the hourly rate) depending on what happens when you get in there. I have learned one thing: rust is always worse than you expect.
I think its just a confidences thing. We'll get it in time :)
Hit up Nick and Richard at bad obsession motorsports and ask if they'd be interested in a collab. No one loves a bracket, welder, or grinder more than Nick. Binky can't be more than 10% original bodywork now. 🤣
Good job, but you need to renegotiate the price with the costumer. There's a lot more bodywork than he told you, and the original offer is not applicable anymore.
This is an old benz with rusty body.
I think, that the right way is a sandblasting all body.
Great to see a car resto video again. Don't beat yourself up, you are doing fine. Yes indeed, Fitzee is definitely one to watch. He makes it look easy though, and it most certainly isn't! I know they seem cumbersome, but please get into the habit of wearing some welding gloves, even if you only go for the lighter weight ones. You are only one mistake away from a bad burn. Keep at it.
Great video..... thanks for showing us what you could given the pressure you are under.
I'm sorry this project isn't working out the way you wanted. :( Keep your chin up, there's gonna be better days. I really enjoy your videos!
Recommend weld through primer. I'd be priming any fresh metal with that to stop it from rusting from the inside out.
That's what I'm using. Thats the dark green can. U-pol weld through. Cheers!
keep it up brother, don´t desist after this hard times, You´ve learn a lot through this. Can´t wait to see your E30s!!
I have not done the kind of bodywork you are doing but I have seen enough videos on youtube to suspect that a shrinker-stretcher (they are not expensive) would have been a life saver. Creating the 90 degrees bent patch by welding orthogonal pieces together is, well, nuts. But your effort and never give up attitude is commendable.
Love your work 👍
You are being overly critical of yourself. You are doing a great job.
This is quality content ild pay for
i think you have a customer who knew the rust was more than he told you you should bill him for
all the work you did as your quote was worked out on what you could see and what he show you good video
So much work achieved here, respect !
You are doing a great job. It must be pretty daunting when digging into the bodywork, but you have stuck with it. Respect!!!
Great work mate.
wow good video👍👍
Great work man!👍
I mate I really understand what do you say in this moment I take a course of welding and I known what you say, it's not easy and with very very practice you can achieve fully knowledge of welding... Thanks for the video... Cheer's
I understand a gentlemen agreement is binding, but it was based on your customer's misleading input of "Just 4 spots of rust"! I would have re-negotiated with the customer, and led by the argument "you misled me". If the client did not accept paying for the 13 rust spots he failed to mention, i would simply skip doing them whilst announcing it loud & clear! I totally agree with @smifffies & @schmeat.
Great work btw, and inline with everybody else's comments: your welding skills have gone through the roof from your days welding that E30!! Kudos!
Feel your pain on this project, great restorative repairs, which is all you can expect. Looking forward to your next episodes, chin up laddie.
Jesus, so much rust, like that car was sitting on the bottom of the sea... Keep your chin up, life is a learning experience! Cheers!
Realizing you've bid something wrong is a bitter pill to swallow. I believe you are on two different learning curves. The 1st is learning your craft (welding) and the other is the business (bidding and estimating). As you stick with it you will definitely get better at both. Hang in there. You'll probably never make the mistake again of committing to a price before you know exactly what you are getting into. Most clients know that there are hidden problems and will understand when you tell them you need to do a certain amount of work to find those problems before you can give them a solid price. It would only be fair. Or set a hourly shop rate and work the projects on a time and material basis.
I have been watching your videos with great attention and pleasure. Congratulations for your work. I have just a comment to your electro plating activities. In my professional life I have learned through the worst possible way that in the plating process (using zinc coating and subsequent bichromate coating) hydrogen migrates into the steal crystallin structure and produce very brittle pieces. Screws subjected to high tension and spinning forces tend to break sooner or later. An heat treatment is necessary to remove the hydrogen. I strongly recommend you to take a look on this. BR
Good job dude back Good vidéo 👍
Splendid job...
I love watching your channel you do great work on a budget
Is now a bad time to let you know that most panels for the w123 are readily available including sills and arch repair sections?
You will always have our continued support. Keep on going!
Workshop tour/updates could be quick work and most of us are interested in it🙂 views and easy uploads i guess
Man, that looks like a lot, but with perseverance, you'll make it through. Live and learn, and make better decisions later.
Why not seattle on a new price when you found out there was more rust than what was said from the begining?
One thing in life that takes a while to figure out is: what the client really wants and how much effort you need to put in to give them what they want. Sometimes we get so focused on our own work we forget to ask this question.
Can you tell me how to memorize where all the parts you took off are going to be after restoration? Sometimes the project has to pause for couple of weeks. How do you remember the right place of every part? Taking videos? Pictures? Or is it just you: a pure genius?
I'm sure the deadline this car has is weighing down on you more than anything. Hang in there, love the content and am a longtime subscriber 👍🏻
alle rostfreien autos sehen so aus. der pvc unterbodenschutz ist schon stabil. hoffentlich ist der kunde fair und beteiligt sich.
Good Job Love it ❤️❤️👍
speaking of learning how much to cut away: If there is rust, cut all of it away. rather a cm more than a millimeter too few. @ 13:50 there is too few cut away, too much old rusty panel there. Otherwise a decent job. I am a bit stunned there was no rust @ the firewall. normally the w123 has enormous problems when going up the wheel arches inside to direction of the cockpit.
very good work. I cant wait to get started on my porsche!!!
That's a lot of rust mate :( Keep it up, you are doing it right :)
Fantastic job as usual! Keep going!
As long as i love to watch your videos... unfortunatelly by looking on a rust in spots that you didnt weld just cleaned .. the red head gonna get back in 2 years top
Great work and great video!If that car was sandblasting i think will be more easy.Good job!
I really wish I could give you some welding tips but I’m not great at welding thin steel I typically burn multiple holes even attempting to
Keep it up! A whole lot of work, congrats
The body shops I know of, only give estimates, never a firm price, up front. Live and learn.
...lookin' good, nice work, stay safe and have a great weekend...
Great stuff, thanks for sharing!
Aaargh that was a frustrating episode on so many levels, can't wait for you to get back on track, good luck...
That looks like alot of fun 👌👍😄
Doing it this way is the only way you can learn,next time you have a better understanding of the work.just keep doing what your doing and learn by mistakes,good video for stepping up and admitting your mistakes.keep doing what your doing and carry on.😎😎😎👍👍👍
Wish you a good luck you doing hard 👍
very nice work !! nice to see a real car enthusiast !! Just a question, what is the welding machine ?
Good luck with the rest, nice job so far
I see you kinda stack with this rusty bucket .
Comparado com as soldas que eu faço a sua ficou perfeita. É treinando que se aprende. Sucesso
it hard job ...bro...my BMW E30 got same problems on it too..
Great effort!! Looks really good!!
What happened with the 325i?
7 months later still fixing the rust. That's definetly a w123. If you look back at the comments for the first video when you were stripping the car I did warn you about this. I own a w123 so I know. If you had spoken to any w123 owner they would of told you this too.
There are also the guys from the YT channel "51machines" in Japan from whom you can learn a lot about rust repair. They filmed an amazing series of yet 31 videos about the body restauration of an extremely rusted Nissan 240Z "Fairlady".
I reccomend use hot welding tin bars as filler this makes your job a bit easy
I think mine has the same stuff going on. How much does full body restoriation and repainting cost? Without suspension work and engine restoration.
You should use CAD before cutting metal.
Great job 🙂
Regarding the rust away from curbside , maybe it was driven in Europe a lot......Just a guess.
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