“Has Richard Gadd Slightly Gilded The Lily?" | Mike Graham QUESTIONS Netflix Baby Reindeer Series
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- čas přidán 16. 05. 2024
- The fallout from the Netflix drama miniseries “Baby Reindeer” continues after “real-life Martha” Fiona Harvey joined Piers Morgan on Uncensored.
It’s caused so much of a stir that John Nicholson, SNP MP has written to Netflix to tell them they have to substantiate the series' claim that there was a court case involved.
Virgin Radio presenter Steve Denyer says: "It was those words, ‘this is a true story’, that made me watch it and drew me in.”
Mike Graham wonders if Richard Gadd “maybe invented bits of it".
Fiona Harvey has said in a newspaper that she wants £1m from Piers Morgan for the interview.
Mike says: "She's probably sat there thinking everyone is making money out of this."
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They screwed themselves by saying it's a true story, pretty dumb when "based on" would cover their butts
You're the five thousandth person to have said the exact same thing. It is a dramatisation based on a true story. People's knickers in a knot.
@@LyndaHill specifically, hers.
How are poeple not understanding this was a dramatization? Look at the fine print in the credits. What you can’t do is go on an interview and LIE for an hour.
Omg, for the last time, he's said the prison sentence wasn't true!
Fine print is all nice and dandy but they should never have put in print - in the opening episode the show claims: “This is a true story”.It's not a true story, it's 'Based On...' blah blah and this is where the trouble starts. It's misleading and why Fiona Harvey, guilty or not of being a stalker, has a case.
People acting like it was a documentary 😂
We do understand, some of us more than others - clearly. The end credits do not count when half the marketing claimed it was true. People who haven't watched it until the screen goes black won't see it. She's been stalked as much as she allegedly stalked him!
Wait wait wait. So one final mystery? Who Is. Donny?
These guys have solved everything else. But dear god help me. I just can’t figure out who this is. He looks just like Richard gad. Which I admit is weird. But it just can’t be. The show said “this is a true story. Every single second. Guys let’s work together on this. I hear you. I’m with you. Let’s all take Richard gad down. But first. Let’s make sure Donny is safe.
I never I see the day were people want a stalker to get paid or have her own netflix show and we need to grab our pitforks and go after the victim
It's completely bizarre. If the victim was a woman, none of this would be happening.
Martha pleading guilty and showing accountability in the show, whether real or not, is better than Fiona not showing any accountability, by lying, throwing shades at Gadd during that interview lol
Piers Morgan is a phone hacker
At the end of the credits it says quite clearly that parts of the story are fictionalised or have been enhanced for dramatic purposes. Her nephew also claims she did go to prison when she used the name Fiona Muir. It would be great if you could comment on these two points on your show?
It doesn’t “quite clearly” say this at all. But it does quite clearly say this is a true story at the beginning. Hopefully you’re smart enough to recognise you’ve been played by Gadd when it all comes out because that message reads like you’re a moron.
OMG, as if she should make money out of stalking, harassing, threatening, idiotic. Have these guys got any brains?
"you cant just make stuff up", yes you can its a drama and it says as much. Stories are changed to protect identities, so the complaint is basically a complaint that they did things to protect her. The major issue she has is she wants it to be true while at the same time denying she did any of it. Even though its there in black and white.
No you can’t if you have stated at the beginning that it’s a true story. It should have said “based on a true story”.
@@Bluebougainvillea Fargo did the exact same thing as have other TV shows and movies. The disclaimer is at the end of the show.
@@harryhill8543 but was Fargo based on a real character with some bits being true or was it total fiction? It makes a difference.
Netflix said it’s a true story. And also testified in parliament that it was true and she went to prison. If that’s not the case she can sue them to the hilt.
@@danh5637 nope, theres nothing in the law that says a TV show has to be true even if it says it is. The other thing is sue for what exactly? Defamation only works if you have a good name, shes already been outed as a stalker in the press previously
What a lot of people are overlooking is the fact that the events that are depicted in the series are virtually contemporary. They only happened six years ago. I think it's reckless and you're asking for trouble when you release a series so soon after the events it is based on.
All that he put in about his life, GOOD AND BAD I SAY HE IS TELLING THE TRUTH...SHE IS A STALKER
I think they did their best to disguise her identity while keeping important character traits intact. They changed her name, which is the least one can do. Her appearance, which happened to resemble hers, is important because it tries to evoke a feeling of pity and, at first glance, appears to be harmless. The character being Scottish adds familiarity and provides reasons for him to have talked with her, while her being a lawyer highlights flaws in the system regarding stalking, showing how someone familiar with the law can exploit it. The fact that both the character and she have a history of stalking emphasizes this point. One thing we can argue about is the language used, especially the sexual innuendos. While it's his story and she undeniably said those things to him, he should have known that using the exact same phrases she said could lead to her identification, making it a double-edged sword. Television shows often take creative liberties, with dramatizations and deviations from strict accuracy being commonly accepted. Whether minor details like offering tea or alcohol are altered, or significant plot points like imprisonment are fictionalized, artistic expression is prioritized over factual accuracy. Shows claiming to be based on true stories often blend fiction and interpretation to capture the essence and emotional truth rather than strict historical accuracy, and it’s unlikely Netflix would have produced the series without verifying the existence of all the emails, voice messages, etc.
From my standpoint, both individuals are deeply flawed and equally desperate for attention. He is gullible and eager for validation, much like her. However, she is portrayed as overweight and less successful than she initially claimed. He welcomed her attention and even exploited it, giving her false hopes. This raises the question: why does the narrative seem to invalidate her self-confidence and feelings entirely? Even if her actions were as the show portrayed, she clearly needs help. One has to wonder if he would have reacted the same way if she had been a beautiful woman.
When he discovered that she was not a lawyer as she had claimed, he quickly turned the narrative in his favor. He cast himself as the innocent victim of her stalking, feeling embarrassed by her laughter and uneasy about her constant emails. It’s important to remember that he too was seeking attention, likely to boost his struggling career as a comedian. This shift allowed him to depict her as a wholly negative and harmful influence in his life, conveniently ignoring his role in encouraging her initial interest and obsession.
In reality, both parties share responsibility for the toxic dynamic that developed. He tried to take advantage of her infatuation for personal gain, enjoying the attention until it became inconvenient for him. When her obsession crossed boundaries, instead of addressing it honestly and responsibly, he portrayed himself as a victim, focusing on her looks and lack of wealth to undermine her credibility.
This interpretation suggests a more complex interplay of manipulation and desperation between the two, challenging the simplistic victim-perpetrator dichotomy promoted by the show. Both individuals engaged in harmful behavior, driven by their own insecurities and desires for validation, making the situation far more complicated than it initially appears. Wheres the mental health awareness? Yes it exists and it’s exactly why people with this disorders need help instead of being demonised on social media
It was a good comedy/drama, in other words….
No.
HOW is this still a talking point and how are you guys not being fired as so called journalists for bringing this up over and over and over and over again? The creator said himself she didn't go to jail and so did Netflix who said it was a dramatization! Jeez you guys are beating this dead horse when there's literally no reason!!!
He literally said he embellished the story for the movie. 🙄
A lot have people haven’t seen that. You can’t claim it’s a true story at the start of it and then just say somewhere else afterwards, actually it wasn’t.
@@BluebougainvilleaFive thousandth time the same sentence has been said.
@@LyndaHill what sentence?
@@BluebougainvilleaIt's as clear as day. Comprehension skills help.
@@LyndaHill erm…what are you on about?
Once they could not find any evidence of the stalker having being convicted/ jail time, it put real doubt in my mind about Richard and Netflix’s account. One thing that struck me about Richard, is that he was desperately trying to have professional success. And I just wonder if Mike is right. He would have to come up with a very compelling story with a good ending-satisfying to the viewer, for Netflix to buy his story and produce the TV series. And now he has gone silent when asked about why we can’t find basic evidence of jail time for the stalker. So I think his account is a mixed bag. I think some of it is true. Maybe most of it. But this has greatly discredited him. And he shouldn’t be silent. It only makes it worse. For the life of me, I don’t know why Netflix didn’t have their lawyers vet his claims more carefully,especially as they were going to put the label “true story” on it!
Genius commentary on Baby Reindeer by a panel of trauma-informed experts. Bravo. /s
My thoughts exactly. Terrible terrible victim blaming going on.
It's just their opinion on the situation....
@zahrataouil2583 And its ridiculous.
@@LyndaHillso what
I actually think NETFLIX might have done this on purpose. Are all of the subscriptions they've gotten since broadcasting it worth more than any potential lawsuit she could win? The bottom line always wins.
Donny Dunn typed “this is a true story”
Donny is a fictional character!!
I agree she shud be protected
Protected from what and how ?
@@Northernlights-gv4vx from being preyed on.
Remove the series
@@noneyabizz8337 Too late .
We should be protected from her and people like her
@@whadis404 How could that be done?
I don’t hold the words as if those were the exact words said in real life. Well beef curtains ok… but its a show. It cant be non-fiction. Its still fiction based on actual events. It’s not peoples words verbatim. No two ways about it. Its not a documentary either. Lots of folks calling it that.
It became so big because like anything that is that big people could relate to it. Not as an actual but as a possible. As what happens when people are damaged and hurting. It is it's complexity and nuance that made people watch. As for the true or not true. Most programmes are based on true story. Like the crown, out there it will be taken as history. But it's not. Gad has said that not every point in it is true it's art. The main thing is was he stalked for a length of time? And yes I can believe that you remember the Ashley and Madison.
I didn’t think it would be long before someone mentioned The Crown.. 😂
So, the only thing wrong is the court case?
Gadd said he made up about prison.
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Do people really think a giant like Netflix would be so stupid not to cover themselves? She has no case! Trying for her 15 minutes of fame. She obviously didn't do well at law school. Piers etc know this graphic was there but chose to exploit an obviously psychologically ill woman. Why didn't she come out earlier when the play was running? She sees £s from this - she's got no hope. Richard needs to stop hiding, man up and do some interviews about this.
The Cohen brothers (Fargo etc) put the "Based on a true story" slide at the beginning of all their stuff, it's a running joke. Look at all the pre-screening work The Blair Witch Project did, creating the website, releasing teasers, plotting the whole myth - brilliant work (for such a crap movie lol). The Netflix publicity department must be sooo happy with all this; couldn't buy this publicity. If Fiona wants finacial compensation, she DOES in fact need to prove the character is her, even though she's denying most of it. 😳🙄😉
I don't think he gilded the lily enough, time will show all.
What is this Nutter Steve talking about? Wembly is 10,000?!?!? Is he having a laugh!? Wembly is the UKs biggest arena and the second biggest in Europe. It seats 90,000 with a concert/boxing setup.
I didn’t believe any of it. It seemed such a preposterous story. I doubt any of it happened.
No one nows exactly what she did she clearly did stalk him an of course he will represent her he's jumping on the band wagon it's not funny stalking he went through hell
How can you guys be journalist and sit around blowing hot air and CZcamsrs? I’ve already looked up the last name Muir and she’s been arrested and she did time in jail. How come you guys can’t do that?
link?
Baby reindeer -pick a side it’s Israeli/Palestine all over again why do we want to pick sides, what is that in us ?
Enough with this nonsense. Some movies&series are dramatizations of a real life story. Even if it was written ‘based on’, people would take it as a real story and still watch it. At the ending of each episode, it says the series is based on real events, certain names, characters, incidents,locations, dialogues have been fictionalized for dramatic purposes.. What’s there to talk about?
Well, more fool them, then. Watch it, enjoy it, move on.. I’ve never seen anything like this in my life 😂
@@Andy-di1zd Because the series is a hit, everybody goes after for ratings&’likes’.. Fiona Harvey’s coming forward is a treasure for them..
He is weak!
I found the series weird and ridiculous. Crudeness and mental illness featured prominently. I slogged through it and wondered why I bothered!
Me also.
gross behaviour all around agreed