It was annoying when I went to Microsoft today to see if they have a trade in program and they stated they only have a recycle program. I spent $2100 on my Pro 4 with the top specs: i7, 16gb ram, 512gb ssd and they quoted me $350. I"m interested in the laptop but I could live with my Pro 4 for a few more years.
I just can't read these comments about USB-C... I am a student and I'm using the SP4 for taking notes and doing everythink on my Surface... And you know what? I don't know anyone in my school who is using that C type... and also our school system is not ready for this standart and it's not going to change in 3 years. Type A is the right choice for me. the Surface Laptop is also death for me and mz classmates. Datachable keybord is the priority... Thanx for reading this
Sadchant well the reason why I find it useful is because when I get home I would be able to plug it in to an external gpu do be able to do more graphics intense tasks or use a thunderbolt 3 USB c dongle so I can plug in multiple stuff like a keyboard mouse and an ethernet cable for better and faster internet
PsyShastadelic Wolf7X well anything bigger than the current size. it's to small for serious work unless you are connected to an external display. I have owned the sp4, but sold it and opted for a 15" laptop instead
I am blown away!! completely! this is the perfect device for me!! and I will definitely buy the core m or i5 version as soon as it is available!! maybe I will wait for few months for a price drop, but I will get it ! it has everything I wanted from my new 2 in 1 pc. I was torn between sp4 core m and Lenovo yoga book but now I will ditch booth of them for this new surface pro because it has:- 1. power of sp4, even better(better than lyb, sp4 core m and sp4 i5) 2. portability of LYB (thinner and lighter than sp4) 3. no fan of both sp4 and lyb(its important as I HATE fan noise, its very distracting especially in a quiet room) 4. LTE connectivity of lyb(most important as I want to be able to use my sp4 anywhere, not just my home which has wifi. now I can take my sp4 on cool windy nights outdoorand on rooftops and enjoy movies) 5. battery life of lyb( again most important as my current laptop gives me 10hr plus battery life and it costs 140 usd, so if aam bying a more expensie device, it has to be an upgrade in all forms) 6. better pen of LYB(with better latency and angle sensitivity) 7. charging via the usb a to c connector, will be great if I am to buy a new smartphone.as of now I don't have any type c device.
This is a great product. So glad they added a 4G LTE option. Microsoft has really stepped up its game over the last 5 years. Can't wait to see what the Surface Phone looks like, hopefully it won't be much longer tell we see it.
Been needing an upgrade to my OG Surface Pro but I din't want to buy a Pro 4 as it's been due for a refresh for a long time. Will probably get one of these, it's pretty much exactly what I want. Also no fan for the Core i5 version is nice, no more of what I like to call "Surface hiss"
I don't know much about the technical details of computers nor have I owned the previous generations. I am looking at this new product and I am wondering it is good for me. I will be using it mainly for school, drawing, editing photos, listening to music and watching CZcams videos.
Why is everyone so butthurt over no USB-C? It's a crappy "standard" with all sorts of variants, and even has the potential to fry your device. So I get it why MS doesn't want to go down USB-C natively. The USB-C standard needs to be fixed and that's not something MS can do. It's just a freaking port. Look at the device as a whole and then decide if it suits your needs or not.
It's truly polarizing to see two tech giants, one who is so adamant on pushing USB-C, going so far as excluding any other connector on their device (Apple), and another who still refuse to include even one (Microsoft).
Yeah indeed, they become the extreme end. Microsoft for whatever reason seem to refuse to include Type-C port while Apple just ditched everything to only Type-C port without an extra Type-A port for transition. Also, they should not go for only USB Type-C, but they must go straight to Thunderbolt Type-C. Especially that they solely use Intel anyways. Thunderbolt accessories are something to look forward to especially like external GPU and other accessories that requires high-bandwidth that Thunderbolt can only offer. This is the beauty of Type-C port standard, its both used for USB and Thunderbolt.
Idk if the looks needed to be changed that much but the biggest omission is clearly USB-c. If it weren't for that this would have been a great upgrade. My only complaint with the Pro 4 was. Artery and so that change is welcomed.
I think I found my laptop/tablet. I already have a beefy computer for gaming and gaming in laptop just sucks. This could work really well for studying, productivity and just general stuff. Especially taking the notes with pen would be great. So much easier to sort them out.
Not sure why people are bitching about no usb-c or no thunderbolt.Do you like dongles? I'd be more pissed at the fact that the pen, keyboard, dial or mouse isn't included with it.
David Granville because it will be considered as old tech very quickly, when everyone is switching to USB C as well as all the peripherals, with that insane speed.
There is no reason that there could not also be a Thunderbolt 3 port in addition to the other ports, or that the Mini Displayport connector could not have been switched to Thunderbolt 3. Having a Thunderbolt 3 ports means that you have USB-C, which means that you won't have to worry about future accessories not connecting to the device, as the switch IS happening. You would also be able to use a single cable for charging your Surface Pro and your future phones. In addition, Thunderbolt 3 would allow for the connection of an external GPU, allowing the device to stay relevant in the creative and gaming space much longer, as the integrated graphics simply are not powerful enough for many creative applications, or most games. So yes, while I am annoyed that it does not include the Surface Pen or Surface Keyboard, as I wanted this to be my next device and spending more money on accessories that are basically required for general use, I am more annoyed that they are still not including ports required to make this device a long-standing, smart investment for many people.
By the time USB-C becomes standard, if it does (remember firewire) you will be ready to upgrade anyway. And you can always use the coming dongle if you need it now. I am happy Microsoft went this way. I don't have any USB-C items, and I don't want to have to go out and buy dongles or new USB drives, etc. Just because Apple went out on that limb, doesn't mean Microsoft has to bail them out.
A lot of people like me are watching a surface review for the first time, they dont know how the previous versions were. Your video is all about compared this to previous gen and not as a product itself.
tusit21 because they need to be able to say it "starts at $799". that simple. gets people to click on the laptop, then upsells them to something more pricey (online or in-store). salesman 101.
tusit21 I mean... 4k is just the screen. any 4k dell laptop for $600 is going to be fatally flawed with either awful battery life (because of the 4k screen draining power), an underpowered processor, bad build quality or a slow hard drive. or it's not the newest model. the XPS 13 (which is probably the closest thing to a Surface Pro in terms of equipment) is $2000 with a 4k screen... and starts at $999
bezel could have been slightly smaller/thinner. Great to see an LTE /4G version is the screen 4k ? and Did u mention it(has taken a back seat to M chipset? ) also that version only Carry's the rounded edges or does that apply to all versions ?
hope they fixed the distorted speaker issues, I went through 7 surface pro 4 before I gave up and bought a phantom pro 3. I will pick one up in a month or two, if it wasn't for the speakers I would of kept the sp4.
With the same ports there is really no reason to change from the pro 4 to the new one. Looking forward to a model with thunderbold 3 to be able to expend the system with an external gpu which would be completly awesome!!!
unpopular opinion... USB-C missing wasn't the end of the world. Need to connect to an external display? a display port dongle costs just as much as a type C one. Nobody has a USB-C flash drive that I know, and I have enough 16gb drives lying around my house that I'm quite comfortable sticking with them for a while. I don't need a $500 graphics enclosure, I use cloud storage, type A 3.1 still provides fast data transfers. And I don't WANT my laptop to charge through Type C until it can be made magnetic! I study in a library where people trip over power cords all the time. Magnetic chargers like MagSafe and Surface Connect have a very useful advantage- when someone trips over them, they break off rather than drag your computer off the table for an expensive crash landing. I know Belkin has an adapter of some kind- but again it's another $50 I would rather not pay. in summation, I'm content to stick with boring old Type A until they get -C right. And so far, despite some exciting new capabilities, it ain't! tl;dr- could they have put one? yes. am I broke up about it? no, not really, because I don't have a shit ton of -C gear lying around and I'm not itching to buy!
Keep the type a port but replace the display port with a Thunderbolt 3. Why is that so hard. Thunderbolt 3 plus LTE (verizon) would make this thing perfect. Fingers crossed for the model coming out later this year.
Ugh! When will Microsoft ever have their products on their online store here in the Philippines (preferably with education pricing since that's my field)? Apple's made all their products readily available from their online store here over a decade ago!
I have a question, is it the pen that comes with better pressure sensitivity or the device? because I would like to upgrade my surface book's pen with a better one.
Likely the non-pro Surface may go to be ARM-based when Windows 10 on ARM is ready. No, I don't think the Surface Phone/Pocket that may take a while to be introduced since there is a lot of things they need to sort out on smartphone aspects. Though I wish that we will have instead a small Surface tablet (8-inch) that is best suited for note-taking, focused on pen-based productivity and consumption. Windows as a whole need a renewed representative of small tablets. There aren't alot of choices of small Windows tablets these days. I believe there is still a good market for these, beyond the typical consumption tablet. It's even odd really when they recently introduced eBooks on Creators Update, when there aren't alot of small Windows tablets to really take advantage of it. 10-inch and above are just little too big for ebook reading.
KornKernel you have a good point, panos panay has said one of his favorite devices is the prototype surface mini. If they see a demand not being met and can encourage oems they might make a device. It is a good idea but it has to right.
Oliver Hancock Id be all about a Surface Mini for ebook reading and in class note taking. The larger tablets are a bit too big, and with the fact the pens are so responsive now, id rather use a new surface than a regular laptop
Mohannad Kattan Here in France I get 75Go for 50€/month for my phone and can share the data on a second simcard so I think this actually makes sense in some countries
The "up to 13.5 hours of battery life" is misleading to the consumer. I have the i5 8/256 and in a full 3 day test, the best I have gotten running just Office has been 6.22 hours. For a device that is claiming up to 13.5 should be closer to 10 or 11 hours. The i7 version of the Surface Pro has the same issues. Microsoft support's recommendation is sending it back for a shiny refurbished replacement. Don't think so. I am returning the device today and unfortunately getting a MacBook Pro. My recommendation would be to look at the 13" HP Spectre x360. Not only are the specs better (i7 Processor 16gb/512gb hd), but the battery life is around 12.5 hours. Oh! And that includes the stylus and keyboard (it is built in) and 2 USB C ports that include fast charging. The cost difference is $1700 vs $1169. I would love to chat with Microsoft regarding these issues, but they seem to want to hide behind their lousy support.
when i saw the different color of pen i was expecting that microsoft would offer different color options like with the surface laptop. meh only the type cover got the new colors.
Did Microsoft solve the "right click" issue on its pen? Where you can't just push button and click like on Wacom pens but on SP you gotta push-hold the button then push the pen tip on screen and only then the right click would register? My head was exploding everytime I had to use SP4 on photoshop, lots of swearing included.
Sean it is for web browsing... did tasks with different programs running will result with better results. But better scores means better battery for when you use it for other things as well.
I don't play any games whatsoever, that's the thing! I have the screen brightness on the lowest possible, it's completely updated and everything yet the battery has gone to hell after just 8 months! Even brand new the battery life was terrible. Very disappointing.
lol I read somewhere they said almost all laptop manufacturer often lie about their machine's battery life. Apple is the closest one that have real life battery is almost the same as advertised, next on the line is Asus and HP. Sr if my English is bad
If your battery has gone so bad in only eight months, then send it back to Microsoft. Its still in warranty and unless you've got some hidden evilware lurking on there, its probably a fault. My Pro 4 can last me all working day, plus time to play with it on the commute, too. It should easily do 8 hours unless you are hammering it hard. No point in hanging on to a faulty device when MS owe you a working one.
Debating whether to get the Pro or get the Surface Laptop to take to school. The only down side for me about the Pro is that it seems like it'd be uncomfortable on my lap
Will it throttle? Why did they remove the fan on the i5? They could have just given the option for power users. I do not know how Microsoft gets the battery numbers but my SP3 does not get more than 3-4 hours with light use.
Pro tip: Never listen to Microsoft's battery claims. I've had a Surface 3, Pro 3, Pro 4 and a dGPU model of the Surface Book and battery life is always mediocre, especially when compared to a MacBook. Not to mention they'll randomly drain battery when "sleeping" and I actually took my Surface Book out of my laptop last semester and it was warm and 20% of the battery had drained. If they could finally iron out the software, maybe they can hit that battery level. Also it's so disappointing they innovate so much for the Studio but the Surface Book and now the 'Pro 5' are so out dated without USB-C :(
I completely understand why they don't do USB-C. It's not a bad choice. Other than power delivery, you're not missing anything. And for power delivery, it's not reliable. Just go to amazon and look at USB-C chargers, chargers from respected companies and read the horror stories. It'll get there. MS doesn't have jump in yet. Nothing you own "needs" USB-C yet.
I know it's not only for PD, but there's a mini display port there. USB-C uses Display Port standard. It's just doing that over a universal port. That port will drive a second 4K display (it would be nice if MS could confirm this). You really shouldn't be looking for more in a device like this. Maybe the dock can do more. I don't know. As you said, thunderbolt is better but it's overkill for a device like this to drive multiple 4K screens as well as its own screen. Maybe the next Surface Book can do that. That's not a bad idea. It really sucks that we have a port that "can" do everything but does not "have to". Over the next years, there's going to be a lot of people plugging their cables into USB-C ports expecting power delivery, or fast connectivity, or A/V transfer and getting frustrated that it's not happening because that specific port doesn't do X or Y. I wish the USB-C standards people got together and said "look, all of this needs to work or you're not calling it USB-C". Now the thing is that it's very difficult to engineer a board that can do everything on every port. This is why the Mac Books have very few ports. It's a trade-off. I actually think they've done a great job in making all USB-C ports do all the things. Some PC manufacturers include USB-C ports and some of them can do thunderbolt, some of them can do charging and it's all confusing because thunderbolt logo looks like a charging thing. It's just not well thought-out. It used to be that if a cable would mate with a port, it would work. USB-C is literally breaking that. It's a weird transition. I expect that in a few years things will settle down. But in the mean time and even after that, you won't lose much if you don't have a USB-C. None of my computers have USB-C, honestly, I couldn't care less. I never needed something and realized "oh I need USB-C for that womp womp".
Yordan, yes. External GPU is the only thing you'll miss. But having a USB-C port does not guarantee external GPU support. This is a tiny screen for high end gaming anyway. Also, I didn't say you can get Thunderbolt 3 from another port. I'm just saying Thunderbolt 3 is an unnecessary thing for this device. I'm just saying that if you need a discrete GPU you should look into the Surface Book line or just something else from Razer or Dell or something. The good thing about Windows is that you have a lot of hardware options. This is mainly a work computer. It's a Pro. It's a corporate pleaser.
Gaming is not the only use for a discrete GPU, video editing, rendering, and other forms of content production are very slow without having the power of a discrete level GPU. If you have not noticed, the Surface devices are usually aimed at creatives. Plus, it would add to the longevity of the device. CPUs have not been gaining much power over the last number of generations, and thus will stay relevant for many years, but the integrated Intel graphics, and even the GPU in the Surface Book will be rendered obsolete after not too long. Having a Thunderbolt 3 port would allow you to keep your device relevant for much longer, and possibly allow creators to have just a single device, rather than two. And yes, while there are other options, that does not mean pressure should not be put on Microsoft to add it, or that the other devices necessarily fit the bill. For me personally, I would not pay money for any device of this type if it was not a Surface device. The level of quality of the others simply do not compare, from the accessories like the Surface pen and keyboard/trackpad, to the screen, to the general feel.
I have to disagree. I have a new MacBook that charges over USB type c, so when the Nintendo Switch came out with USB type C I was stoked I can charge both with the same charger. Now, I have to carry around one charger for them, and one charger for the Surface. Going universal is always in the best interest of the consumer, and Microsoft is showing they lack any fucks to give.
hi guys, im thinking about getting this product but i dont know good it is. So can anyone give me some advice about your Surface Pro ? Like... is this good enough for you, or is it good performance , or how long its gonna last with you? is it better than ipad pro 12 inches ?... something like that. Many thanks guys.
This has facial IR recognition. Fingerprint was mostly for SP3 users. Why do you need BOTH in one device? Also, if it sold well they would have added it.
How is the hinge when in the lowest position if you want to rest your hand on the screen, can it handle the weight? I have my palm on the screen all the time on my iPad Pro. Also how is the palm rejection on the Surface? Any good?
Everyone has complained for years that the keyboard should be included, and instead of listening to users they go and make the PEN not included too. Sigh. Oooh the price is lower! Not when you have to buy a $200 keyboard and $100 pen.
Even if they "included it" they would have jacked up the price anyway, so what's the difference? You're paying for a KB and Pen one way or the other, either separately or included. Just because something is included does not make it free.
I never said it was free. It's more about making the pen and keyboard both an option instead of included. It's not like there are 3rd party options. You should buy both for a surface pro, so I'd rather have the price higher and both bundled in. Now they will have lower attach rates for pen when before it was 100%.
I cannot wait until these are five years old and I can get one for under $200 Bucks. I will start saving now.
C. Ward i bet you that in five years avg price for used surface pro will be around 400
Well maybe I can get a Surface Pro 4 then.
Shame the battery will no longer hold a charge by then
Chris Devine ha! I still have my original sp1. holds charge just fine.
It was annoying when I went to Microsoft today to see if they have a trade in program and they stated they only have a recycle program. I spent $2100 on my Pro 4 with the top specs: i7, 16gb ram, 512gb ssd and they quoted me $350. I"m interested in the laptop but I could live with my Pro 4 for a few more years.
I just can't read these comments about USB-C... I am a student and I'm using the SP4 for taking notes and doing everythink on my Surface... And you know what? I don't know anyone in my school who is using that C type... and also our school system is not ready for this standart and it's not going to change in 3 years. Type A is the right choice for me. the Surface Laptop is also death for me and mz classmates. Datachable keybord is the priority... Thanx for reading this
Looks like something I'd get, but why no thunderbolt 3? Just about every laptop this is competing with has at lest one.
I agree with you on that might as well get the asus one
shut your face! Get the book
surface book and surface laptop don't have USB C or thunderbolt 3 either.
What would you use it for? Everybody is complaining, but nobody has usb-c peripherals...
Sadchant well the reason why I find it useful is because when I get home I would be able to plug it in to an external gpu do be able to do more graphics intense tasks or use a thunderbolt 3 USB c dongle so I can plug in multiple stuff like a keyboard mouse and an ethernet cable for better and faster internet
lol you need a dongle to use USB C. not the other way around
The biggest thing that needs to change on the SP line is the screensize. They should up it to about 13,3 inch or something
How about a 14 or 15 inch?
PsyShastadelic Wolf7X well anything bigger than the current size. it's to small for serious work unless you are connected to an external display. I have owned the sp4, but sold it and opted for a 15" laptop instead
Casper Svendsen I don't think it's wise to give the surface pro a bigger screen without increasing the footprint of the device..
PizzaProGaming woot? oh I didn't think that Microsoft should go "infinity edge" mode on the screen. ofcourse the entire device needs to be bigger 😂
They already have surface book that is 13.3 inch
I am blown away!! completely! this is the perfect device for me!! and I will definitely buy the core m or i5 version as soon as it is available!! maybe I will wait for few months for a price drop, but I will get it ! it has everything I wanted from my new 2 in 1 pc. I was torn between sp4 core m and Lenovo yoga book but now I will ditch booth of them for this new surface pro because it has:-
1. power of sp4, even better(better than lyb, sp4 core m and sp4 i5)
2. portability of LYB (thinner and lighter than sp4)
3. no fan of both sp4 and lyb(its important as I HATE fan noise, its very distracting especially in a quiet room)
4. LTE connectivity of lyb(most important as I want to be able to use my sp4 anywhere, not just my home which has wifi. now I can take my sp4 on cool windy nights outdoorand on rooftops and enjoy movies)
5. battery life of lyb( again most important as my current laptop gives me 10hr plus battery life and it costs 140 usd, so if aam bying a more expensie device, it has to be an upgrade in all forms)
6. better pen of LYB(with better latency and angle sensitivity)
7. charging via the usb a to c connector, will be great if I am to buy a new smartphone.as of now I don't have any type c device.
Looks good, but I think I'll keep my SP3 a while longer.
yeah me too.
Jens Danbolt Yep. No point in upgrading to this.
Jens Danbolt i just bought my surface pro 4, wasnt sure if i needed to for the new surface pro
I'm trying to squeeze my Surface Pro 3 until 2020 lol.
It's possible to do so. I"m going to keep my Pro 4 until I finish grad school in 2021ish. It should be able to stay alive til then.
o.m.g i thought i was about to watch an Alpha M. video for a sec from the music intro ,lol ..I Was Excited!
This is a great product. So glad they added a 4G LTE option. Microsoft has really stepped up its game over the last 5 years. Can't wait to see what the Surface Phone looks like, hopefully it won't be much longer tell we see it.
MS surface dock connected with mag safe power commector is much better than usb-c.
Great review--more pen facts than I have read anywhere else
Been needing an upgrade to my OG Surface Pro but I din't want to buy a Pro 4 as it's been due for a refresh for a long time. Will probably get one of these, it's pretty much exactly what I want.
Also no fan for the Core i5 version is nice, no more of what I like to call "Surface hiss"
I don't know much about the technical details of computers nor have I owned the previous generations. I am looking at this new product and I am wondering it is good for me. I will be using it mainly for school, drawing, editing photos, listening to music and watching CZcams videos.
Microsoft is just killing it nowadays!!!
Why is everyone so butthurt over no USB-C? It's a crappy "standard" with all sorts of variants, and even has the potential to fry your device. So I get it why MS doesn't want to go down USB-C natively. The USB-C standard needs to be fixed and that's not something MS can do. It's just a freaking port. Look at the device as a whole and then decide if it suits your needs or not.
pen looks to be working really well
Surface is the only genius laptop not currently burning my lap or being too hot to handle
It's truly polarizing to see two tech giants, one who is so adamant on pushing USB-C, going so far as excluding any other connector on their device (Apple), and another who still refuse to include even one (Microsoft).
Dimas Aditjondro because of the external GPU my friend.
fanless i5 is the biggest change..i'm calling it. Love my sp4 but i leave it hooked to power when in use just b/c of the battery life.
why no usb type c!!! no thunderbolt!! come on Microsoft.
It's so you have to buy a new surface pro in a 1.5 years time when usb 3 type a is redundant.
as soon as usb-c becomes redundant usb-d will come out.
It's pretty funny. Apple has only USB-C, Microsoft refuses to just put at least one USB-C port.
Yeah indeed, they become the extreme end. Microsoft for whatever reason seem to refuse to include Type-C port while Apple just ditched everything to only Type-C port without an extra Type-A port for transition.
Also, they should not go for only USB Type-C, but they must go straight to Thunderbolt Type-C. Especially that they solely use Intel anyways. Thunderbolt accessories are something to look forward to especially like external GPU and other accessories that requires high-bandwidth that Thunderbolt can only offer. This is the beauty of Type-C port standard, its both used for USB and Thunderbolt.
And this is exactly why I'm still planning on getting an Eve V instead.
Such a beautiful machine, I love it so much!
Idk if the looks needed to be changed that much but the biggest omission is clearly USB-c. If it weren't for that this would have been a great upgrade. My only complaint with the Pro 4 was. Artery and so that change is welcomed.
I think I found my laptop/tablet. I already have a beefy computer for gaming and gaming in laptop just sucks. This could work really well for studying, productivity and just general stuff. Especially taking the notes with pen would be great. So much easier to sort them out.
Great review Daniel. It's cemented my plan to get the i7 model with pen.
No USB-C seems ok for me, what I care about are the screen, battery life, and basic 8gb ram model price.
God damn. I'm so hyped for this.
Why they couldn't even put a single USB type C port is beyond me.
Not sure why people are bitching about no usb-c or no thunderbolt.Do you like dongles? I'd be more pissed at the fact that the pen, keyboard, dial or mouse isn't included with it.
David Granville THE PEN ISN'T INCLUDED???????
yah when you pre-order it you only get the device. everything else is extra. Including the pen.
David Granville because it will be considered as old tech very quickly, when everyone is switching to USB C as well as all the peripherals, with that insane speed.
There is no reason that there could not also be a Thunderbolt 3 port in addition to the other ports, or that the Mini Displayport connector could not have been switched to Thunderbolt 3.
Having a Thunderbolt 3 ports means that you have USB-C, which means that you won't have to worry about future accessories not connecting to the device, as the switch IS happening. You would also be able to use a single cable for charging your Surface Pro and your future phones. In addition, Thunderbolt 3 would allow for the connection of an external GPU, allowing the device to stay relevant in the creative and gaming space much longer, as the integrated graphics simply are not powerful enough for many creative applications, or most games.
So yes, while I am annoyed that it does not include the Surface Pen or Surface Keyboard, as I wanted this to be my next device and spending more money on accessories that are basically required for general use, I am more annoyed that they are still not including ports required to make this device a long-standing, smart investment for many people.
By the time USB-C becomes standard, if it does (remember firewire) you will be ready to upgrade anyway. And you can always use the coming dongle if you need it now. I am happy Microsoft went this way. I don't have any USB-C items, and I don't want to have to go out and buy dongles or new USB drives, etc. Just because Apple went out on that limb, doesn't mean Microsoft has to bail them out.
A lot of people like me are watching a surface review for the first time, they dont know how the previous versions were. Your video is all about compared this to previous gen and not as a product itself.
why they are selling 4gb models and 128gb ssd for 800$.....this is fucking 2017, 8gb must for everyone....
Then pay more money for 8GB. The configs are already there. Microsoft is not running a charity for fanboys.
tusit21 because they need to be able to say it "starts at $799". that simple. gets people to click on the laptop, then upsells them to something more pricey (online or in-store). salesman 101.
really frustrating.... because u can buy 4k dell laptop for 600 bucks
Puru S we don't ask for charity... we can easily purchase the power supply separately if Microsoft charge for it. what do u say?
tusit21 I mean... 4k is just the screen. any 4k dell laptop for $600 is going to be fatally flawed with either awful battery life (because of the 4k screen draining power), an underpowered processor, bad build quality or a slow hard drive. or it's not the newest model. the XPS 13 (which is probably the closest thing to a Surface Pro in terms of equipment) is $2000 with a 4k screen... and starts at $999
bezel could have been slightly smaller/thinner. Great to see an LTE /4G version is the screen 4k ? and Did u mention it(has taken a back seat to M chipset? ) also that version only Carry's the rounded edges or does that apply to all versions ?
hope they fixed the distorted speaker issues, I went through 7 surface pro 4 before I gave up and bought a phantom pro 3. I will pick one up in a month or two, if it wasn't for the speakers I would of kept the sp4.
Id appreciate if it had an sd card slot and a USB-C. Now I think I'm gonna go for the Razer Blade
This would be my first Surface Pro, if they actually sold it in Czech Republic. Launching globally, yeah, sure.
With the same ports there is really no reason to change from the pro 4 to the new one. Looking forward to a model with thunderbold 3 to be able to expend the system with an external gpu which would be completly awesome!!!
add some custumizable buttons on the pen and maybe its worth it.
unpopular opinion... USB-C missing wasn't the end of the world.
Need to connect to an external display? a display port dongle costs just as much as a type C one. Nobody has a USB-C flash drive that I know, and I have enough 16gb drives lying around my house that I'm quite comfortable sticking with them for a while. I don't need a $500 graphics enclosure, I use cloud storage, type A 3.1 still provides fast data transfers.
And I don't WANT my laptop to charge through Type C until it can be made magnetic! I study in a library where people trip over power cords all the time. Magnetic chargers like MagSafe and Surface Connect have a very useful advantage- when someone trips over them, they break off rather than drag your computer off the table for an expensive crash landing. I know Belkin has an adapter of some kind- but again it's another $50 I would rather not pay.
in summation, I'm content to stick with boring old Type A until they get -C right. And so far, despite some exciting new capabilities, it ain't!
tl;dr- could they have put one? yes. am I broke up about it? no, not really, because I don't have a shit ton of -C gear lying around and I'm not itching to buy!
What is the background music?? I hear it in Dashie's videos all the time and I heard it in a vacuum press video. I NEEEEEEEED to know.
my only question, is the pen at least on par with Wacom's?
Keep the type a port but replace the display port with a Thunderbolt 3. Why is that so hard. Thunderbolt 3 plus LTE (verizon) would make this thing perfect. Fingers crossed for the model coming out later this year.
Yes... Finally I can afford the Suface Pro 3, if I save for another year.
dope overview!
I like the old blue cover more than any of these new colors :(
A Windows tablet is like avocado ice cream. No no.
I hope the screen doesn't bleed anymore. And the fan is not noisy anymore.
Zed Rameses i5 model does not have a fan anymore. i7 model's fan is said to be quieter than sp4's.
Ugh! When will Microsoft ever have their products on their online store here in the Philippines (preferably with education pricing since that's my field)? Apple's made all their products readily available from their online store here over a decade ago!
I have a question, is it the pen that comes with better pressure sensitivity or the device? because I would like to upgrade my surface book's pen with a better one.
With the new LTE option, MS has confirmed the death of the Surface (non-pro) line.
Likely the non-pro Surface may go to be ARM-based when Windows 10 on ARM is ready. No, I don't think the Surface Phone/Pocket that may take a while to be introduced since there is a lot of things they need to sort out on smartphone aspects.
Though I wish that we will have instead a small Surface tablet (8-inch) that is best suited for note-taking, focused on pen-based productivity and consumption. Windows as a whole need a renewed representative of small tablets. There aren't alot of choices of small Windows tablets these days. I believe there is still a good market for these, beyond the typical consumption tablet. It's even odd really when they recently introduced eBooks on Creators Update, when there aren't alot of small Windows tablets to really take advantage of it. 10-inch and above are just little too big for ebook reading.
KornKernel you have a good point, panos panay has said one of his favorite devices is the prototype surface mini. If they see a demand not being met and can encourage oems they might make a device. It is a good idea but it has to right.
Ngo Loc Not at all. This costs $800!
Oliver Hancock Id be all about a Surface Mini for ebook reading and in class note taking. The larger tablets are a bit too big, and with the fact the pens are so responsive now, id rather use a new surface than a regular laptop
Surface 4 where are you?!?! :'-(
LTE support??? RIP APPLE
Dude iPads had lte far so long already
but Surface Pro its a PC bro not tablet
Mohannad Kattan true.
Mohannad Kattan Here in France I get 75Go for 50€/month for my phone and can share the data on a second simcard so I think this actually makes sense in some countries
Gajendran Sivayoharan apples produces have LTE too...
The "up to 13.5 hours of battery life" is misleading to the consumer. I have the i5 8/256 and in a full 3 day test, the best I have gotten running just Office has been 6.22 hours. For a device that is claiming up to 13.5 should be closer to 10 or 11 hours. The i7 version of the Surface Pro has the same issues. Microsoft support's recommendation is sending it back for a shiny refurbished replacement. Don't think so. I am returning the device today and unfortunately getting a MacBook Pro.
My recommendation would be to look at the 13" HP Spectre x360. Not only are the specs better (i7 Processor 16gb/512gb hd), but the battery life is around 12.5 hours. Oh! And that includes the stylus and keyboard (it is built in) and 2 USB C ports that include fast charging. The cost difference is $1700 vs $1169. I would love to chat with Microsoft regarding these issues, but they seem to want to hide behind their lousy support.
But no LTE
Should I get this for college in the fall?
when i saw the different color of pen i was expecting that microsoft would offer different color options like with the surface laptop. meh only the type cover got the new colors.
Did Microsoft solve the "right click" issue on its pen? Where you can't just push button and click like on Wacom pens but on SP you gotta push-hold the button then push the pen tip on screen and only then the right click would register? My head was exploding everytime I had to use SP4 on photoshop, lots of swearing included.
13 hours battery life HA!!! Bull to the fucking shit, ya'll. They promised me more than the 2 hours I get on the surface pro 4. Liars.
Sean it is for web browsing... did tasks with different programs running will result with better results. But better scores means better battery for when you use it for other things as well.
Sean 2 hours??? the fuck do you do on your surface? try to play battlefield 1 in QHD on high settings???
I don't play any games whatsoever, that's the thing! I have the screen brightness on the lowest possible, it's completely updated and everything yet the battery has gone to hell after just 8 months! Even brand new the battery life was terrible. Very disappointing.
lol I read somewhere they said almost all laptop manufacturer often lie about their machine's battery life. Apple is the closest one that have real life battery is almost the same as advertised, next on the line is Asus and HP. Sr if my English is bad
If your battery has gone so bad in only eight months, then send it back to Microsoft. Its still in warranty and unless you've got some hidden evilware lurking on there, its probably a fault. My Pro 4 can last me all working day, plus time to play with it on the commute, too. It should easily do 8 hours unless you are hammering it hard.
No point in hanging on to a faulty device when MS owe you a working one.
At least, you should have USB type C to be a bit more future-proof... I think I will stick with my SP4 for now...
What about the the LTE version? when is it going to come out? Can you still get the i7 16gb ram and 1tb ssd with it?
still a great computer in 2020
Thanx daniel as always
Debating whether to get the Pro or get the Surface Laptop to take to school. The only down side for me about the Pro is that it seems like it'd be uncomfortable on my lap
Will it throttle? Why did they remove the fan on the i5? They could have just given the option for power users. I do not know how Microsoft gets the battery numbers but my SP3 does not get more than 3-4 hours with light use.
This is also useful for Auto CAD and others heavy soft ???
New pen work with SP4?
Why not? I think there is reason to not work
I guess I should clarify, will it work AND have the advanced features? Or will be be much slower/laggy than with the new SP?
Yep! Microsoft will also roll out a software update so the new tilt feature works on the SP4 and SB too.
MDanielRose sweet
No, the 4096 pressure points will work but the tilt feature will not
can you use this as easily on the lap as a regular laptop
Microsoft arc mouse or new surface pen??? - for surface book with performance base
Pro tip: Never listen to Microsoft's battery claims. I've had a Surface 3, Pro 3, Pro 4 and a dGPU model of the Surface Book and battery life is always mediocre, especially when compared to a MacBook.
Not to mention they'll randomly drain battery when "sleeping" and I actually took my Surface Book out of my laptop last semester and it was warm and 20% of the battery had drained. If they could finally iron out the software, maybe they can hit that battery level.
Also it's so disappointing they innovate so much for the Studio but the Surface Book and now the 'Pro 5' are so out dated without USB-C :(
So it is basically just a tiny bit better then the pro 4
can you put a Kengsington lock on the new surface pro?
Awesome I think ill get it
I completely understand why they don't do USB-C. It's not a bad choice. Other than power delivery, you're not missing anything. And for power delivery, it's not reliable. Just go to amazon and look at USB-C chargers, chargers from respected companies and read the horror stories.
It'll get there. MS doesn't have jump in yet. Nothing you own "needs" USB-C yet.
it's not just for power delivery; thunderbolt 3 is unmatched for connecting your device to a monitor... sucks that some cables fry your devices tho
I know it's not only for PD, but there's a mini display port there. USB-C uses Display Port standard. It's just doing that over a universal port. That port will drive a second 4K display (it would be nice if MS could confirm this). You really shouldn't be looking for more in a device like this. Maybe the dock can do more. I don't know. As you said, thunderbolt is better but it's overkill for a device like this to drive multiple 4K screens as well as its own screen. Maybe the next Surface Book can do that. That's not a bad idea.
It really sucks that we have a port that "can" do everything but does not "have to". Over the next years, there's going to be a lot of people plugging their cables into USB-C ports expecting power delivery, or fast connectivity, or A/V transfer and getting frustrated that it's not happening because that specific port doesn't do X or Y. I wish the USB-C standards people got together and said "look, all of this needs to work or you're not calling it USB-C". Now the thing is that it's very difficult to engineer a board that can do everything on every port. This is why the Mac Books have very few ports. It's a trade-off. I actually think they've done a great job in making all USB-C ports do all the things. Some PC manufacturers include USB-C ports and some of them can do thunderbolt, some of them can do charging and it's all confusing because thunderbolt logo looks like a charging thing. It's just not well thought-out.
It used to be that if a cable would mate with a port, it would work. USB-C is literally breaking that. It's a weird transition. I expect that in a few years things will settle down. But in the mean time and even after that, you won't lose much if you don't have a USB-C. None of my computers have USB-C, honestly, I couldn't care less. I never needed something and realized "oh I need USB-C for that womp womp".
Yordan, yes. External GPU is the only thing you'll miss. But having a USB-C port does not guarantee external GPU support. This is a tiny screen for high end gaming anyway. Also, I didn't say you can get Thunderbolt 3 from another port. I'm just saying Thunderbolt 3 is an unnecessary thing for this device.
I'm just saying that if you need a discrete GPU you should look into the Surface Book line or just something else from Razer or Dell or something. The good thing about Windows is that you have a lot of hardware options. This is mainly a work computer. It's a Pro. It's a corporate pleaser.
Gaming is not the only use for a discrete GPU, video editing, rendering, and other forms of content production are very slow without having the power of a discrete level GPU. If you have not noticed, the Surface devices are usually aimed at creatives. Plus, it would add to the longevity of the device. CPUs have not been gaining much power over the last number of generations, and thus will stay relevant for many years, but the integrated Intel graphics, and even the GPU in the Surface Book will be rendered obsolete after not too long. Having a Thunderbolt 3 port would allow you to keep your device relevant for much longer, and possibly allow creators to have just a single device, rather than two.
And yes, while there are other options, that does not mean pressure should not be put on Microsoft to add it, or that the other devices necessarily fit the bill. For me personally, I would not pay money for any device of this type if it was not a Surface device. The level of quality of the others simply do not compare, from the accessories like the Surface pen and keyboard/trackpad, to the screen, to the general feel.
I have to disagree. I have a new MacBook that charges over USB type c, so when the Nintendo Switch came out with USB type C I was stoked I can charge both with the same charger. Now, I have to carry around one charger for them, and one charger for the Surface. Going universal is always in the best interest of the consumer, and Microsoft is showing they lack any fucks to give.
This is true love 😍
hi guys, im thinking about getting this product but i dont know good it is. So can anyone give me some advice about your Surface Pro ? Like... is this good enough for you, or is it good performance , or how long its gonna last with you? is it better than ipad pro 12 inches ?... something like that. Many thanks guys.
So, what happened to the USB-C dongle? Is it still planned for release? Thanks.
I will get this one day , when aim rich enough.
is it good or bad for the battery life/battery cycle of the surface pro 4, if I ised it mostly plugged in???
Didn't any of these "reviewers" compare the speakers.... Get it together guys.
when are the going to sell the let surface pro i need it
Is there any idea as to the price range?
My Highschool Requires this, here in Seattle this aint anything😕
Where can I watch the announcement event???
i hope this time they ship these to Indonesia
I want a cover without keyboard. More like an iPad cover. It would be perfect now that it has LTE.
the freebie student apple ipad looks up to this surface pro, and realises it's drowning XD Surface Pro > Ipad
the intro music is same as that of alpha M
Thanks Dan. So.....how much?
@Lazy Tech TV In China , 1T version is 21388 RMB
I just checked the description, it's $799.. ;-;
I looked conference just now
Does the new surface pen work with the Surface Book? Like do you get the added tilt, pressure and such?
Yes. It works. The tilt will come a little later with SW update
does the surface laptop also have instant on?
i can't believe this products issued in Shanghai and Chinese people can enjoy it earlier.
With the nano SIM support!! So there'll never be a surface mobile I guess 🤔
So no pen or keyboard. I was about to switch to surface this year but no way expending more than $900 to have a complete surface with keyboard and pen
wasn't there a fingerprint scanning scene in the teaser? where is this sensor? and why does no "hands on"-tech talks about this?
This has facial IR recognition. Fingerprint was mostly for SP3 users. Why do you need BOTH in one device? Also, if it sold well they would have added it.
i never said that i need both, i just said that the teaser had shown one. i was just asking about this, relax.
does the surface dial work with autocad and revitt?
Does any model come automatically with LTE?
Anyone know if the surface connect to USB-c is thunderbolt rated? Wishful thinking?
lovely
Does "launching globally" includes Russia and CIS, for example?
Awesome 👌🏾
No thunderbolt 3? why? it could be perfect tablet
Dem bezels dou
How is the hinge when in the lowest position if you want to rest your hand on the screen, can it handle the weight? I have my palm on the screen all the time on my iPad Pro. Also how is the palm rejection on the Surface? Any good?
It's almost perfect on my Pro 3 so I would expect it to be even better.
Interesting, thanks for the info.
Does this qualify as a PC?
Everyone has complained for years that the keyboard should be included, and instead of listening to users they go and make the PEN not included too. Sigh. Oooh the price is lower! Not when you have to buy a $200 keyboard and $100 pen.
Even if they "included it" they would have jacked up the price anyway, so what's the difference? You're paying for a KB and Pen one way or the other, either separately or included. Just because something is included does not make it free.
I never said it was free. It's more about making the pen and keyboard both an option instead of included. It's not like there are 3rd party options. You should buy both for a surface pro, so I'd rather have the price higher and both bundled in. Now they will have lower attach rates for pen when before it was 100%.