Make Your Own 15.6" Full HD Screen for 32 bucks for use with Raspberry Pi, DSLR, Video camera

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  • čas přidán 15. 06. 2016
  • Alex shows you how to make your own 15.6" Full HD screen for about $32. Use with Raspberry Pi, DSLR, Video camera or any other computer. raspi.tv/?p=9447 We're repurposing a screen from a dead laptop.
    Some people say "That's not full HD - it says 1280x800!" Well actually it IS a 1920 x 1080 LCD. At 4:48 you can see it's an LP156WF1. If you google the specs you'll see it's a 15.6" WLED full HD screen (which was one of the reasons I bought that laptop in the first place).
    Here's a place that sells them (although they're out of stock)...
    www.laptop-lcd-screen.co.uk/sh...
    So, then, why does it say 1280 x 800 on the video? It's simple. Even though this driver board is capable of running the screen at 1080p, I usually set up my Raspberry Pis to force that mode because it enlarges the text and icons on the screen. You can do this by putting...
    settings good for native 1280 x 800
    hdmi_ignore_edid=0xa5000080
    hdmi_group=2 # HDMIPi for 1280 x 800
    hdmi_drive=2 # for alternative modes get sound
    hdmi_mode=28 # 1280 x 800 @ 60 Hz
    ...into the config.txt
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Komentáře • 629

  • @danhardy6645
    @danhardy6645 Před 7 lety +85

    Just done this for a project I'm doing with a pi - worked great...got an old broken laptop from a friend - driver board was £22.19 delivered (eBay from China). Took literally a few minutes of messing about & hey-presto...full HDMI screen for my pi, wonderful. Thanks for sharing.

    • @AlexEames
      @AlexEames  Před 7 lety +6

      Awesome. Nice job.

    • @forest3064
      @forest3064 Před 7 lety +2

      Dan Hardy can I take the driver board out of the laptop ?

    • @hafizazizan9282
      @hafizazizan9282 Před 6 lety +1

      Dan Hardy does a faulty screen will do

  • @lee7372
    @lee7372 Před 7 lety +59

    quick tip for menu's in a different language: Use Google translate app from your phone select the language you think it is, in this case Chinese to English, then select the camera and it will translate the language in real time on your phone right over then actual interface.
    Great Vid.

  • @Simon-sf2qi
    @Simon-sf2qi Před 6 lety +5

    Thank you so much for this tutorial, especially the section where you explained the button sequence for changing the menu language! Keep up the good work!

  • @badbikerboy1974
    @badbikerboy1974 Před 7 lety +18

    best video on this subject I've watched so far..great job

  • @NoNamenoonehere
    @NoNamenoonehere Před 7 lety +11

    just a note on attaching driver board to the back ,when you disassemble the casing for it on the laptop try to leave it in a good condition,with a few modification you can turn it into a place to attach the driver board and a stand for the scrren.

  • @edumaker-alexgibson
    @edumaker-alexgibson Před 6 lety +1

    Hope you're well Alex. Just stumbled upon this, I've done it myself before but still enjoyed the video to the end, nicely done!

  • @balmung37
    @balmung37 Před 7 lety +3

    Thanks for the idea! Had an old laptop with a corrupted OS just sitting in the closet for months. Did a teardown on it earlier today and ordered the driver board, can't wait to try it out!

  • @DFX2KX
    @DFX2KX Před 5 lety +6

    This also works with some TV screens, so depending on what goes kaput on the TV, you can harvest the panel out of them just the same.
    I've thought of doing this with the fujitsu 's LCD screen.

  • @drew42228
    @drew42228 Před 6 lety

    This is very good. Like the way you explain things. Easy to follow for all. Keep it up

  • @henfrohardy4155
    @henfrohardy4155 Před 7 lety +1

    thank you so much! I have been searching for an answer (first time pi user) for a project I wanted to start, wasn't sure how I would connect to the Pi but you answered and demonstrated perfectly! Just salvaved a screen and checked the maker and numbers, on to ordering the driver board! Great vid$

    • @AlexEames
      @AlexEames  Před 7 lety +1

      Excellent. Let us know how you get on :)

  • @jitendergupta347
    @jitendergupta347 Před 5 lety

    very well structured video. Good work. Thanks for sharing. looking forward for more such videos.

  • @rhess10
    @rhess10 Před 5 lety +1

    This is fantastic. Great video and explained very clearly. When I watch these "tear it apart" videos, nobody every talks about how to either utilize the parts to recreate the "outside" of things. There's always a bundle of wires, and a huge mess of things everywhere. I would have saved the bezel and even the back of the screen somehow. That would protect the potential electrical issues and also give you a "finished" back surface, which I presume, you could then stick the Pi to and possibly some of the other accouterments. Seems that the reason most people don't try these things is that you have a huge mess of things when you're done. Wires laying everywhere, etc. I would like to see more vids on how to "finish" the project so you have a nice clean setup.

  • @MichaelDavismikethechap
    @MichaelDavismikethechap Před 7 lety +2

    Excellent video, Alex! Thanks!

  • @Soupie62
    @Soupie62 Před 7 lety +1

    This is a good starting point.
    I'm looking at ultra-widescreen LCD's to go with 60% mechanical keyboards. Finding the right screen is the first step - then comes the driver board (as you mentioned) and finish off shoving it all in a tiny box.

  • @matheusbarreto7656
    @matheusbarreto7656 Před 8 lety

    it is nice to know that we can make this with old laptops screens. I tought that was no way to reuse this, but u give me some hope to make some small monitors! Thanks!

  • @jonjandran
    @jonjandran Před 5 lety +1

    I started doing this in 2006 . But I used 15.4" 1920X1200 laptop screens with a controller to make Full HD projectors. Those were fun times :)

  • @freeelectron8261
    @freeelectron8261 Před 5 lety

    Great stuff - I will convert my old laptop screen. Thanks Alex!

  • @bigemugamer
    @bigemugamer Před 4 lety +14

    Pretty cool, something to do with the laptops i got just layin' around here. now please upload part 2, "building a slim frame for your portable Pi monitor"

  • @basalduat
    @basalduat Před 7 lety +1

    I loved your demo!

  • @w.rustylane5650
    @w.rustylane5650 Před 7 lety +1

    Well the laptop I was using got some kinda worm in the EPROM chip and the Dell crapped out. I tore it apart and found the nomenclature for the screen, a Samsung LTN156AT01 which I ordered a driver for. I'm still waiting on it to be delivered. I saved the hinge screws and bezel and put it back together. The hinges had two very nice studs and a couple of screw holes. I cut off a 2"X4" at 15" and drilled two holes for the studs to sit in. Then I drilled two more holes to use screws to hold the screen in place. It makes a nice little stand for the screen, which I can close down over my keyboard to keep out the dust. I see from re-watching your video that I'll have to modify the back of the Dell screen case to accept the power driver cable from the driver board. I thank you for this video and so does my wife, because she's tired of me using our 55" TV mounted on the wall for my Raspberry PI 3 monitor. My screen from the Dell is 1399 X 786, so it's not truly high definition but will suffice for my RPI 3 monitor. Thanks again for this great video tutorial on how to re-purpose a dead computer with some surviving parts. Qudos my friend!! :-)

    • @AlexEames
      @AlexEames  Před 7 lety

      You're welcome. I look forward to hearing how it goes when the driver arrives :)

  • @akashvarde
    @akashvarde Před 7 lety

    I would like to appreciate your channel it's so amazing ! keep your work ! Thumbs up !

  • @bilbo1195
    @bilbo1195 Před 7 lety

    It's actually a brilliant idea, I've never thought of this!

  • @michaelwalker6266
    @michaelwalker6266 Před 7 lety +2

    Thank you Alex interesting and informative video ;)

  • @adenihil
    @adenihil Před 5 lety

    Thanks for the info! Good job! 👍🏼

  • @lfcbpro
    @lfcbpro Před 5 lety +1

    so glad they started making those boards, I had a look at doing this about 10 years ago, but you couldn't get your hands on a board to control the LCD,
    I will have to give this a try now and see how it goes.
    If it has a HDMI, it could be turned into a TV, no?
    Great vid, thanks for the tips :)

  • @jamnmikefx
    @jamnmikefx Před 7 lety

    This video just saved my raspberry pi project, thank you so much for this

  • @salom77
    @salom77 Před 8 lety

    Thank you so much Alex. You are very smart. I didn't think of this great idea.

  • @sunekaas
    @sunekaas Před 6 lety

    You rock matey! Thanks a lot for the help and a super video!

  • @customengravingsbyhuntersh657

    this is by far the coolest thing ive seen! i cant wait to try this on my old gatway laptop, the computer works fine.. however its sluggish even with an SSD and since the ram is maxed out at 4gb, theres just no use in trying with it, i could always use the screen for a smart mirror project in the future 😁

  • @werecow68
    @werecow68 Před 5 lety +2

    Curious what you used to power the driver board? Did it come with its own power supply?

  • @lenina5559
    @lenina5559 Před 7 lety

    Today you won a subscriber!. Nice video. Keep on that way.

  • @frankzvovu
    @frankzvovu Před 7 lety

    This is very cool! Thanks for the idea!

  • @rmhutchins7
    @rmhutchins7 Před 6 lety

    I enjoyed your video. It was very helpful. Thank you!

  • @JessicaRyan7of9
    @JessicaRyan7of9 Před 5 lety

    Really enjoyed watching this. I might give this a go myself.

  • @patrickflores1429
    @patrickflores1429 Před 6 lety

    Thanks bud I was just looking for a inexpensive screen to use in a raspberry pi arcade machine, this did the trick with lcd screen I extracted from an old laptop I wasn't using..

  • @gsixx8fpv499
    @gsixx8fpv499 Před 3 lety +1

    Was there ever a case or shell made for this setup? I thought this could be useful as a portable monitor, but I’m wanting it to be an all in one solution with the driver board built in if possible.

  • @CleanFuelsBV
    @CleanFuelsBV Před 5 lety +2

    What is the power supply of the control board: V and A?

  • @jsergio1971
    @jsergio1971 Před 7 lety +1

    Hello What do you use to power the control board for the screen? Thanks

  • @Sonicdude10
    @Sonicdude10 Před 7 lety +1

    I have that exact same driver board running an Acer 11.6" 1360x768 monitor as a 3rd display for my PC system. Been running for over a year no problems.

  • @44tisila
    @44tisila Před 7 lety

    The menu tips were very helpfull, many thanks!! =D

  • @mohbra
    @mohbra Před 5 lety

    Excellent weekend project thanks for sharing

  • @busy_g8256
    @busy_g8256 Před 6 lety +1

    How is the power delivered to the driver board? It looks like not included with driver board. Either power from old laptop or can a RPi power adapter be used? My RPi 3 power adapter says it's 5 volt, 2.5 amp.

  • @JackSmith-by6sb
    @JackSmith-by6sb Před 6 lety

    Awesome information. Thank you for sharing.

  • @theapotheosisofgdot2294
    @theapotheosisofgdot2294 Před 7 lety +1

    You make this easy to understand for us none computer savvy ppl You got my Sub thanks

  • @konquer247
    @konquer247 Před 6 lety

    Speechless, absolutely brilliant.

  • @JamesP6084
    @JamesP6084 Před 7 lety

    I have ordered my controller board, thank you for the video :-)

  • @CanalDojogames
    @CanalDojogames Před 7 lety

    Whats the name of this board that you connect directly to the screen ? ( the image output)

  • @BigGutC64
    @BigGutC64 Před 7 lety

    Good video, my broken Dell laptop has been sitting on the shelf for a couple of years now. I'll add this to me things to fix in the summer.

  • @Jah_Rastafari_ORIG
    @Jah_Rastafari_ORIG Před 6 lety

    Can you tell us what that stand (@ 9:08) that you put the LCD in is? Thanks.

  • @steelframe
    @steelframe Před 7 lety

    Very nice. Could I run two screens with one Pi and one converter?
    I'd like to mount the screens back to back for a display.

  • @brocky436
    @brocky436 Před 2 lety

    Hi any chance that there’s a usable driver board already in the donor laptop?
    Thanks

  • @samuelcohen2016
    @samuelcohen2016 Před rokem

    Thanks for the video. Now I know how to make my lcd screen work with my laptop project

  • @mikehall7806
    @mikehall7806 Před rokem

    Great video, Thanks. I got a board from ebay and the screen comes up in Chinese so I have to figure that out from your directions. My problem is the Pi400 does not display on the screen unless I start it up to my tv screen and the switch the hdmi plug back to this screen from the tv I had it hooked up to. Any idea what the problem is? Thanks, Mike

  • @blogtodeath4736
    @blogtodeath4736 Před 7 lety

    nice work and well explained

  • @b9robot01
    @b9robot01 Před 7 lety +1

    Great video, I too had a couple overheated Dell's but I mistakenly tossed them, one had a 17in screen. Damn.Would this work with an Arduino? Will this work as a cctv monitor?You have inspired me to try even though I really have no idea how to do what you did in a few minutes.Thank you.

  • @ignoresk6671
    @ignoresk6671 Před 5 lety

    Is there a possibility to wire the board a way, you can externally adjust your brightness automatically/manually?

  • @immortalsofar5314
    @immortalsofar5314 Před 6 lety

    I'm pretty much at the connect positives, negatives and pot adjust stage of assembling. I've managed to get a 7" pi with buck converter to run the pi/image from batteries/transformer. The biggest problem I've had is connectors - the 2.5/5.0mm barrel jack for the monitor driver and the 4 pin to carry 12(ish) volts to/from the battery balancer and the adjustable regulator to get 5V to the pi.
    Any chance of a video describing all the connections you are likely to come across while connecting these things together?

  • @aloucas7
    @aloucas7 Před 8 lety

    Great video Alex, thanx :)

  • @JeffreyQProductions
    @JeffreyQProductions Před 7 lety

    What necessitates you buying a new driver board for the monitor? Is it the fact that it died when it reheated? I have a 12 year old dell inspiron 1150 laptop in fine working condition. Do I even need to buy anything or can I use the existing driver board in the gust of the laptop?

  • @DBMedStuff
    @DBMedStuff Před 7 lety

    Now I know what I'm doing with the jacked up laptop I have: Raspberry Pi monitor! Thanks for sharing this!!

  • @telo712
    @telo712 Před 5 lety

    Did this screen turn on for 5 seconds than the green light turn red and screen go off

  • @Aorda
    @Aorda Před 4 lety

    The display works as an extension for my Windows computer but when I connect it to my RPi, nothing appears. How do I fix? (The RPi works on other monitors)

  • @davidlestrange9153
    @davidlestrange9153 Před 7 lety

    Really cool video!

  • @thomasmcdougall1353
    @thomasmcdougall1353 Před 7 lety

    good on you buddy we'll done 👌 cool video I'm new to the raspberry pi I'm just using retropie but still learning

  • @WilsonBradleyTheOfficial

    Have you poked around on the board to find a 5+ 3amp out somewhere to pull for the Raspberry?

  • @statikk666
    @statikk666 Před 5 lety +1

    Could you use the original laptop driver board?

  • @m34nb34n
    @m34nb34n Před 5 lety

    :D i love watching videos like these. thanks

  • @stupid5pin
    @stupid5pin Před 7 lety

    That's a great idea, wish I'd seen this before I actually went out and bought a monitor for my studio, as I have a non-functioning laptop with a functioning screen. Since the studio PC is plugged in via VGA cable (I think, I don't recall), I could probably use the HDMI out to run a dual monitor setup; or maybe just get another Pi to run sound for my podcasts. Wonderful tutorial, definitely going to look into it! Thanks!

  • @swapnilkhobragade3887
    @swapnilkhobragade3887 Před 5 lety

    Sir i wants to know that there is any need of programming in a board which we got from eBay plz reply

  • @stuartofblyth
    @stuartofblyth Před 6 lety +2

    Brilliant video - thank you so much. I've just dismantled my Dell screen (destined for the tip), Googled the number, found a kit seller on eBay and sent off my order- $22.51 or £16.50-ish. Bargain!
    "Give it a shot. We're hackers!" (11:41) - love it. My new motto.
    Subbed.

  • @ogilgj2410
    @ogilgj2410 Před 7 lety

    awesome video, nice job!

  • @mikehall7806
    @mikehall7806 Před rokem

    I have a board hooked up to the screen from my old toshiba laptop and it works fine but I have to start up the Pi to a tv screen first and then switch it over to the stand alone laptop screen from my old laptop. The screen stays blank and says no signal until I start it up to the tv and then switch it. What do I have to do to just start it up to my old screen? Thanks in advance, Mike

  • @lrosado608
    @lrosado608 Před 7 lety

    Could you take advantage of a screen like that to make a portable gaming system? Like a playstation? Or a portable retro pie?

  • @kjamison5951
    @kjamison5951 Před 7 lety

    Do you get the PSU with the driver board, or is that an extra cost?
    I've resurrected laptops which were crippled by overheating issues by giving them a thorough clear out inside. Airduster, new thermal paste and job done.
    I would only recommended this if the laptop mobo or graphics card is dead.
    Conversely, if you have a damaged screen and a damaged mobo on another laptop, this project will allow you to use the good screen on the laptop with the bad screen. It's not pretty but it's functional and it's also no longer portable. But you have a working laptop.

  • @FredMcIntyre
    @FredMcIntyre Před 7 lety

    Awesome, thanks for the info!

  • @JamieTransNyc
    @JamieTransNyc Před 4 lety

    @5:27 I ... *LOVE* his big thumb right over the label that says "Do Not Touch"

  • @arturosan010
    @arturosan010 Před 5 lety

    Does anyone know if you can get touchscreen laptops to work as well... maybe there is another board for that...?

  • @texasT6
    @texasT6 Před 7 lety +8

    As soon as my daughters laptop craps out, I'm going to gut it and try this!

  • @longcivix
    @longcivix Před 8 lety

    i really love your video, thank you.

  • @Darcvigilante
    @Darcvigilante Před 7 lety

    Do you think this would still work with a chrombook? I have a 1080p samsung that died but, the screen is good.

    • @AlexEames
      @AlexEames  Před 7 lety

      Darc Vigilante if you can find a driver board for it, sure. but you won't know until you get the LCD part number 😀

  • @muhammadhoosen8293
    @muhammadhoosen8293 Před 7 lety +113

    why not take that whole laptop and remove the motherboard, place the raspberry pi in, covert the laptops hard drive to external, inspect the keyboard circuitry and check if it can be programmed or made external, make it portable by reusing the laptop's old battery you'll have to add a power supply circuit meant for recharging the battery like the ones used in portable powerbanks, its relatively cheap and seems like a nice project

    • @binaryboy1552
      @binaryboy1552 Před 7 lety +12

      dammit, you stole my idea!

    • @_intrepid
      @_intrepid Před 7 lety +5

      laptop keyboards are a pain to connect, you'd need something similar to the display driver and those are hard to find

    • @GnuReligion
      @GnuReligion Před 7 lety +5

      I'd like to see an rpi made without headers, ..just edge-pins, so its flat body can be inserted/removed into laptops and TVs. Kind of a modular CPU.

    • @AlexEames
      @AlexEames  Před 7 lety +9

      You're describing the Raspberry Pi Compute Module released in June 2014 raspi.tv/2014/raspberry-pi-compute-module there is a new version due out soon

    • @diamondslashes2666
      @diamondslashes2666 Před 7 lety

      +Alex Eames Hi I have the same laptop as you. It is working fine however the screen is cracked. Would it be possible to take out the LCD(the way you did it) and carry on using the laptop by connecting to a external monitor.

  • @Papabear945
    @Papabear945 Před 7 lety

    just got my driver board from china. how do I tell if the 12 volt power supply is supposed to be positive center post or negative?

  • @Markusaur
    @Markusaur Před 7 lety +1

    yeah cool.. but absolutely nothing said about powering it! do you use the original psu from the computer? get another one?

  • @dimjim2365
    @dimjim2365 Před 7 lety

    Awesome. Excellent tutorial. Thank you especially for the guidance on the keypad. I looked all over for a user guide and never found one. Mine actually came setup for english but I am making my own instruction sheet. Ha.

  • @xdragongroundx
    @xdragongroundx Před 7 lety +1

    great video! I'm looking to do something like this but without the raspberry pi thing. do you know if it's possible to make it mirror my cell phone?

    • @yalendael
      @yalendael Před 7 lety +1

      xdragongroundx You can. Go check DIY perks channel. He made 1 screen with HDMI with an old laptop and then turned it into a smart TV able to wirelessly mirror screens

  • @abjurian
    @abjurian Před 7 lety

    Just wanted to say thank you for the video. I just ordered my vid card for an old laptop I had sitting around for parts. Can't wait to get it and play. Going to make a raspberry pi 2 portable on a board of hard wood, should come out nice. Thanks again.

    • @AlexEames
      @AlexEames  Před 7 lety +1

      Hope it works out well for you. Let us know how it goes :)

    • @abjurian
      @abjurian Před 7 lety +2

      Just wanted to let you know my vid card came in from ebay 32 dollars US and I got the 1 years warranty for $2.49 extra just in case. I just hooked everything up and it worked like a charm. Thank you for showing us this little trick it worked great. Now all I have to do is mount everything nicely and I have a raspberry pi 3 portable! Thanks again.

    • @AlexEames
      @AlexEames  Před 7 lety +1

      David Galloway Brilliant :) Glad it worked out for you and thanks for coming back to tell us.

  • @muwlgr
    @muwlgr Před rokem

    I have a number of leftover screens like N133HSE, B156HAN02, etc; and I see a number of their driver boards sold at AliExpress. What I don't see, though, is a mounting case with a stand to house the resulting solution. Are these on sale, or should they be done by every DIY enthusiast individually ?

  • @andrzejkluczewski
    @andrzejkluczewski Před 7 lety

    Everything is very beauty this device :)
    But i have a little ask if i can :)
    You was Buy this device from Aliexpress with a cabel LVDS from seller yes ?
    And tell me please ? everything works just after connect ? without recognizing of pins on LCD screen ?
    Must i make a this job ?

  • @w.rustylane5650
    @w.rustylane5650 Před 7 lety

    Now that's really cool, mate. Your video was quite precise and very interesting. I am using my Dell, just like the one you stole the video screen from. When this one craps out, I think I'll have a new monitor for my raspberry PI 3. Very nice video, mate.

  • @2DReanimation
    @2DReanimation Před 5 lety +1

    Right! I already saw that these existed on ebay, but forgot all about it, but thanks to this video, I might be able to save quite some money. If the display fits a driver board that is. But I have the perfect candidate as far as junk goes: a laptop display with a few burned display wires. So the display is completely useless without replacing the wires, or doing this excellent hack.

  • @AlexEames
    @AlexEames  Před 7 lety +1

    they must have changed it then. it was $32 when i bought mine, as you can see in the screen shot

  • @princegautam8504
    @princegautam8504 Před 7 lety

    Hii Alex, I am working on a project which include a 7' display with raspberry.
    What i want is to play a video only when my IR sensor (or any sensor) detects motion.
    Is it possible, i dont even want to use the touch pad (for this Project).
    If yes can u help with the code

  • @phillipfrost2699
    @phillipfrost2699 Před 7 lety +2

    Hi. Can someone please explain driver boards to me in simple terms? Trying to figure out whether it's a GPU or not and if it absolutely necessary or not for this type of project

    • @oliverwatson1567
      @oliverwatson1567 Před 7 lety +4

      The Raspberry pie sends an HDMI signal from its GPU. The driver board reads this signal and then controls the screen through LVDS. The driver board also provides power for the screen's backlight, which is either LED or fluorescent. The screen is pretty much useless without the right driver board as they all use different communication protocols.

  • @francescocagnoni9151
    @francescocagnoni9151 Před 6 lety

    Great vidio but could you use the camera from the laptop for the raspberry pi

  • @TheHibener
    @TheHibener Před 8 lety

    Really cool idea ! - thank you

  • @samme1265
    @samme1265 Před 7 lety +2

    Great inspiring video...thanks.

  • @themachinesmith411
    @themachinesmith411 Před 7 lety

    hi Alex. is it possible to separate the back chassis from the LCD screen? basically I want to see if I can make a "transparent" screen by removing the back metal plate.

    • @AlexEames
      @AlexEames  Před 7 lety

      Doubtful because it holds the backlight as well. But if you have one you don't care about you could take it apart and see :)

  • @MrBrymstond
    @MrBrymstond Před 6 lety

    Awesome bit of recycling and the 18650 Li-Ion batteries are also good to grab.

  • @sourabhsadhu_
    @sourabhsadhu_ Před 5 lety

    also let us know if we can convert the laptop keyboard into standard usb keyboard

  • @stigbuster
    @stigbuster Před 7 lety +1

    would it be possible to gut the laptop and place the switching board near old power supply hole. Then mount the pi in the base of the laptop and maybe even a portable battery to run the pi. Would that work?

    • @AlexEames
      @AlexEames  Před 7 lety +5

      +Ben Young you might be able to, but you'd have an interesting time with the keyboard probably