The CONFUSING HISTORY Of The SUPER SONS
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- The Super Sons when many hear the name they think of Jon Kent (Superboy) and Damian Wayne (Robin) sons of Superman and Batman respectively. However, these were not the first set of Super Sons. This concept dates back to the silver Age of DC Comics carries on through the bronze age and beyond. Learn all about the Super Sons here on Casually Comics.
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Superman: Hey Batman remember when we had kids
Batman: Do you know how little that narrows it down!?
Batman does seem to collect them like baseball cards...
AAAAH SHE LIKED IT OK DONT PANIC
@Ronin Adrian You replied to a comment I made months ago under a video about comic books to tell me how to hack people's facebook accounts?
@@nonshan432 It's a spam bot, just report it
Hyper-aging Jon was a horrible idea all-around at that point.
Fully agree. I was fully enjoying this book series before they ruined it by hyper aging John.
@@TimmHenson They should have just let him grow up!
Status quo now: jon 17 can't relate with damien
Damien : was a dick, became less of a dick and returned to being a dick in teen Titans also isn't robin anymore
Truth
Exactly. What kind of idiotic idea is aging up a character super fast in a medium where character's ages are stunted.
The writers really showed how imaginative they were when they decided to name the Super Sons "Bruce Wayne Jr" and "Clark Kent Jr" in the silver age. But John Byrne did a good job with this concept in Superman/Batman:Generations which is a fun elseworlds comic.
Yeah... loved the Generations run!
That's Bob Haney for you. If you like 'mildly implausible', then you'll love the classic run of the Brave and the Bold when Haney was writing it, coming up with the strangest reasons for Batman to team up with the guest hero of the month.
@@macsnafu Thanks I will check it out. I always liked the idea of Batman teaming up with random superheroes for strange reasons.
When Spider Man Life Story came out all I could think was "It's like Generations!" But nobody else did, it was so sad
Oh yeah generations is very very nice
"Crisis of Infinite Sons"
Sequel to "Crisis of Infinite Lois's Marriages"
Imagine spending money and being invested in the Super Sons to then buy the issue that tells you they were a computer simulation. 😬😅
Imagine spending money and being invested in the Jon Kent/Damien Wayne Super-Sons only to have Jon aged up in the latest example of the laziest, most overdone comic book trope. Oh, wait, I don't have to imagine that.
Ya what did they do to Jon whyyyy
@Sunstar... yeah... did that🤣
@@dupersuper1938 ... did that also!😊🤣
@@gamingwithblueboy4563 You'd have to ask Bendis. Ask him about having Superman reveal his identity while you're at it. As far as I can tell, Lois, Jimmy, Ma, Pa et al are only alive because the villains have all been tied up in like 4 different overlapping events.
Ah Super Sons a great concept and book, then gets destroyed because of management, which causes a few years of anger (And with some hardcore fans, like its the worst thing ever and NEVER stop mentioning it!). Now it's coming back and that's fantastic.
(Also, i'm talking to that one person, we know who you are, just say "Jon Kent" you don't have to say his full name, we know who he is by now lol)
Hahahahaha you mean that one person who always talks about how it was awful that Jonathan Samuel Kent Superboy was aged up and that he should go back to his little ten year old Jonathan Samuel Kent Superboy self? Never seen that person
I'm still really salty. I can understand making sacrifices to get to something better, but from what I hear from others, not a lot of people like Jon in the League of Superheroes. Not only did it not better anything, it messed up a fan favorite, which could have brought in a lot of money for DC.
Jon Lane Kent or Jon Samuel Kent?
@@CornBreadtm1 Samuel, since no one says the Lane version lol
@@GenerationWest Lane is also actually a completely different person from a possible future in the New 52. He was Superboy for a while.
Batman: "You don't think that, if someone were following this as a story, they would feel cheated?"
Superman: "I would hope they would just enjoy the journey!"
Batman I don't know it seems you'd piss a lot of people off that way
Superman: Well it's better than retconning it back to square one!
As a connoisseur of the kidfic, I do love the super sons. But part of my bat fam loving heart does balk at the emphasis on blood relatives being put on the pedestal of "true" family especially when it comes to Batman.
*curmudgeonly um actually voice*: "He has four sons goddamn it!"
There was a Nightwing cover once where he's fighting Damian and the tagline is the "true heir" I was so pressed lol
this is always my thing of why I can't fully accept damian most times, they gotta treated him as if he is significantly way more special and important because is blood related than any of the robins or batgirls, specially for the aspect of how bruce have rised the others for longer time than he had know damian
@@KnucklesxReala911 I'm fine with Damien's importance, except when they stress that he's Bruce's only child. No. It's one of the many why I like Dick's relationship with Damien so much, they are like brothers.
Maybe if they stressed the fact that Damien acts too much like Bruce without the experience to back that attitude up and temper it, it might be a dynamic that they can play up more than "HE'S HIS SON!"
@@infernaldisdain8051 i would love they worked on any dynamic that played on any other aspect than just the "blood son" tbh
@Will N I'm gonna stop you right there to state that your bad mouthing my favorite Robin and I don't like it, you can have your opinion that Damian is your least favorite, but he's not everyone's least favorite. And he most certainly doesn't need Jon to "cool his jets"
OMG YES THE SUPERSONS I HAVE BEEN SUMMONED. Ilove the supersons. I have gotten into dc because of them 🥺 and I've also found the girl I love cause of them
Supersons are what got me into comics I’m getting to a point where I’m constantly vibrating out of excitement for the comic “challenge supersons” that’ll be released this month 😊😅😂
hope it doesn’t suck :’)))
Same the super sons, bat family and aquaman made me the dc fan I am today.
To answer the biggest question...yes. Yes. I'm going to be looking for a pair of Bruce Jr's pants. It's now my superhero origin.
Wait, you're telling me that Superman and Batman didn't get married and have two kids together? This is not the content I subscribed for.
The new super son's are better than the original one's because the new super son's look like they are kids but the old one's looks like superman and batman but shorter
I'm still salty they aged up Jon. Super-Sons was one of my favorite things about DC Rebirth
Same, I still hope he gets turned into a 10 year old again because turning him into a teenager was one the most stupid things they did. It's just not canon for me
I'm glad that the current version of the Super Sons is coming back: DC needs more fun comics (see what I did there? 😉 ) like that and less grimdark, edgy books.
I understood that reference.
It wouldn't hurt at all if they had new fun comics!
You're gonna be at 100k subscribers in no time!
And I just subbed
I am leaving to return as the 100K Subscriber. As the 100k I get to visit Casual Comics library
I hope you do the confusing history of Superboy as different characters have assume that persona.
I want to see that too!
Probably not to difficult too unpack the history of Kon-El, and Jon Kent is relatively new. But....the original Superboy who was Superman as a boy? Whew!! There were a bunch of stories there that seemed way out of chronology. In one Superman story we have Supes meeting Lori Lemaris for the first time, but a couple years later we have Superboy meeting Lori. Also, young Clark met a young Lois a few times. Young Clark also met a young Bruce Wayne and a young Oliver Queen in two very similar stories. And then there are all those adventures in the 30th century with the Legion! All fun stuff, but definitely a tangled mess.
@@johnkrier8021 I know there were a few stories in which Clark was actually Superboy in his preteen but sometimes writers would say that Clark became Superboy during his teens.... it's a bit confusing.
Jon Kent is a king and no one can tell me otherwise.
Damian Wayne is superior.
It was mistake from Bendis/DC to age him up to a teenage offscreen.... hopefully they will de age him to a 10 year old kid again when they do the Super Sons series again.
Prince
@@manis1551 13 would be better I'd like him the same age as Damian.
YES
DC missed out on having Superman and Batman finding their sons hanging out at Woodstock.
I enjoyed what I read of the Supersons. The dynamic of Jon Kent and Damian Wayne had a great grade school friendship set up. I loved the dialog and back an forth between the two as well as their parents reactions in the background. I hated that Bendis grew up Jonathan so quickly. Hopefully, this will be retconned or "CRISISED" out of existence. Silly Bendis, tricks are for kids
I remember some of the teen-aged super sons stories in Worlds Finest and they were good fun; the new super sons were excellent and then they were blown up by Bendis.
I was aware of them, but didn't know the details of the variations of them. I liked the newer version it was fun and sometimes that's what you need.
The idea that, in head cannon at least, that they don't have mothers because Bruce & Clark are a couple brings me so much joy. Love all the different versions of the Super Sons. Literally just read their last bronze age appearance day before yesterday, where they were computer generated. This channel so often posts videos on so much that I already love and teaches me all sorts of things I never knew. Thank you Sasha. 🙂🦇 x
Superman & Batman: Generations had a VERY dark Cain and Abel storyline with a pair of siblings... I won’t say more as not to spoil. But woah...
Oh yes supersons I remember when Bendis aged up Jon kent and I mentally forsaw a riot breaking out near dc comics hq. Now i am hoping for a child of Wonder Woman, and trinity 2.0.
Lyja!
@Will N The Lyta you describe do no longer exist, it's pretty simple to reintroduce a new version of this character.
Computer Simulations. Wait till they find out they are all drawn and never truly age
I freaking love super sons. One of the only main dc or marvel lines I followed for a while. It's so damned wholesome but can still be serious at times. The interplay between Damien and John is great and it's one of the few likable renditions of Damien Wayne, striking a balance between insecure kid and natural born killer. Plus the side issue with the league of super pets was hilarious
SuperSons need animated movies Or Injustice god among!
Supersons .. animated movie? Oh yeah!!!
I would soooo watch that! Actually, I'd love it if they put in special episodes with every Superbat team up. Supergirl + Batgirls, Superwoman + Batwoman, Batman + Superman, Nightwing + Powergirl, Red Robin + Superboy, Bizarro + Red Hood, etc...
We need Supersons animation more than Teen Titan Go
I’m calling it now: Someday DC will cross over every version of the Super Sons.
And Damian will make sure he and Jon come out the winners, even if it’s a friendly team up.
@@tomorrow4eva Facts!
Crisis On Infinite Sons
@@magic8ball134 lol!
I'm glad your discussing the World's Finest Super Sons comic. I tried reading it & gave it up to read the Super Sons Dyno-Mutt crossover. lol
That was funny and needed after all the Bendis run buggery
That was funny and needed after all the Bendis run buggery
That was a fun and great read!
@@Leadeshipcoach Yes, indeed it was! 😁
I really enjoyed Jon and Damian's run, it was a lot of fun, centered on them growing up to be their own selves and not shadows of their parents. And I also didn't like that they aged Jon and send him away to the Legion. Lots of missed potential.
I liked those old SUPER SONS from the 70's. The newer version of Jon and Damian was well done and should not have been ended. Hopefully the new series wilk bring back the fun of those issues.
Exciting! Been waiting for this one!
I knew about the Silver and Bronze aged ones (growing up when the Bronze Age was still the "Modern Age" of the 70's), but had no idea that they'd ever revisited the concept. Nice to hear it was a hit with many; lots of us were fans of them back in the day. And many don't even realize that when they see old Halloween pics of kids in Superman and Batman costumes, they're actually looking at those of us who were going as the Super Sons. PS: Thanks for mentioning their return in that Elseworlds story. I'll have to check it out.
I want them to add in Cassie Sandsmark to the Super Sons so we can get a new comic called Trinity Kids or something
Edit: BJ’s batsuit legit looks like something damian would wear. Raven chose wisely
Cassie has a Robin and Superboy to team up with. I think a new or more obscure Wonder Girl would be better.
A young Yara Flor would definitely be fitting, too.
Superman & Batman: Generations actually had Wonder Woman have a biological daughter named Stephanie Trevor, although she wasn’t a part of a trinity, I think. Still worth checking out.
@@Blue5Standingby I would create a new character entirely so that newer fans who got into comics because of Super Sons would have someone who's lore they could follow from the very beginning.
Tomasi and co actually tried to set-up a new kid trinity including a completly new character with psychic powers. She was a young alien kid in Damians and Jons age brought to earth by, of all people, Manchester Black (yes, THAT Manchester Black) after he had destroyed her home planet. He used her as an agent to try and win Jon over to his side, but she changed sides when Black tried to finish his plan by taking over Superboys body.
Tomasi accidentally saved her from the reign of Didio and Bendis when he wrote her temporarly out when it was decided that the Kents would return to Metropolis.
Long story short: The engine of her space-ship got destroyed by Black during the "Superboy Black" story and created a black hole on earth which she had to constantly keep under wraps with her psychic powers until a better solution could be found to deal with it. Just a reminder, she is not even a Teen but already has champions-league level abilitys.
Also: She was set-up as one of Jons many, many possible love-interests (Heck, the writter had Jon already set-up with so much potentiall teen-drama when they could've started to let him naturally age up)
It wouldn't be impossible for Jon's "hyper-aging" to wear off, you know.
You had me at "Silver Age"
Now this was a pleasant surprise! I'm a big fan of the super sons comics and was really excited to hear they were gonna make more soon. Awesome video as always~
Two words "Wonder Tot" - pretty please
You do THE best job of tying together the history of it all!!
Are you monitoring my search history? Because I was literally just reading up on this last night. If so, then thanks!
i’ve been waiting for you to do a vid on the supersons since i’ve started watching this channel i love them sooo muchhh
The last Video when Lois got married to Satan it was really weird.
Thank you so much for doing this episode!!! You don’t know how excited I was seeing it in my notifications. You are a Godsend.
Last time I was this early Alan Scott was str8
I love your videos. You talk about the story without giving it all away. It's so fun to hear your snarky commentary on several of these issues. Great work.
The one I remember the most was GENERATIONS. The most heartbreaking scene was when one of the ancestors of Superman punched his sister, in the stomach, and right through her, killing her instantly. I just wish that they had this in digital form.
Jonathan Kent got hit with the *"Bendis Santcion"* and getting Hyper Aged is just the tip of the iceberg of Bendis time on DC.
NGL Naomi is the only good thing that he did.
And Batman Universe.
I love super sons it’s really awesome and tons of fun and it breaks my heart we lost the super sons for bendis terrible Superman book which is just garbage. Which is why I am happy the super sons are finally returning with Jonathan Samuel kent superboy back as his little 10 year old self and Damian Wayne robin which is adorable and awesome.
This really takes me back. I loved these comics so much. I had no idea the older ones existed but I'm not very surprised.
Awesome vid! Please do more videos on Legacy heroes like the Super Sons. One legacy hero everyone forgets is Golden Age Wonder Woman's daughter Fury!
Flash Fact: She is also mother of Daniel Hall aka Dream of the Endless.
I was looking forward to this, great vid!
Just found you the other day and I have to say just how impressed I am with your videos. Great work!
I had pants wilder than Bruce, Jr's in 1972-73-74. Loud, psychedelic pants inspired by Peter Max art. Bruce, Jr's pants are restrained and dignified in comparison.
In my defense, I was 6-8 years old and did not have a choice when it came to the clothes bought for me.
I LOVE the Super Sons, both the angst-filled 70s teens and the Damian-Johnathan run from a few years ago.
Superson is a great concept that I only wish that:
1: They include others superhero kids, I would love that they reintroduce Lyja the daughter of Wonder Woman!
2:Marvel should do the same thing!
Your enthusiasm is insanely infectious! I WILL like and share, thank you!!
Please do more Supersons stuff, those boys, the Batfam and Aquaman are my reason for loving DC comics.
of course Bruce is a better father than Clark.
the only evidence needed is:
Bruce - Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, Tim Drake, Damian Wayne
Clark - Kara Zor-el - put in an orpanage, Conner Kent - pawned off on his parents
Confusing is correct! :) Great video yet again!
I am so glad you did a video about these "original" Super Sons!
Was waiting for this
I love the Damien and Jonathan team, didn't knew there were others before.
Thank you for the video. I love the Supersons. I didn't know they were silver age-old, I will have to look that up. I was also annoyed when they aged-up Jon Kent.
hey sasha! fun fact:
john byrnes 'generations' is the same universe as the batman/captain america team up (also by byrne). a great GN where joker turns on red skull after finding out he's a nazi, and proudly declares, 'I may be a criminal, but I'm an AMERICAN criminal!'
I read the 70's Super Sons. I've often quoted Bruce Jrs line, "Dowse that freaky light"! --But I liked Superman Jr.s more limited powers, which were a call back to Superman at his origin.
I had utterly forgotten about the super-toddlers in those earlier stories and the double wedding. Thank you for the reminder! Also, I mistakenly believed E. Nelson Bridwell created that version of the super sons. Maybe he was just the editor at the time who approved it? will...require...research.
I believe comics fandom is finally beginning to accept the idea that continuity is quite the fluid thing. Canon can be tweaked and adjusted at any time for the sake of one story and put right back on track for the next. After "Infinite Crisis" and DC's claim that there were 52 universe, I sort of blew raspberries at the thought because I knew....JUST KNEW!... there was no way it would ever stay so limited. I'm not even sure it should be. While I may be an old fogey with my own set of old fashioned (sort of) like and dislikes, I also enthusiastically welcome seeing what others can come up with. Most of it I find rather meh, but sometimes I see real gems. Or what are gems to me. But I also know other people are finding their own gems in things I might think are rubbish. To me, that is what art and entertainment is all about!
Skip, I'm sure you're NOT an old fogey! I'm sure you must have unusually good taste. After all, you've got to admit the 60's and 70's had some GREAT, originally creative comics back then! 😁
sitting around in the fortress one slow day.
Superman: hey Bruce what if had kids?
Batman:...
Superman: and they were the same age.
Batman:...
Superman: and they were both Jr.s
Batman: yeah! why not!
Lois sitting in the corner: yep... that not suspicious at all.
I remember reading the World's Finest issues with the "Suoer Sons". Several issues had Batman and Superman talking on the splash page, but they looked almost like phantoms, and never appeared anywhere else in the comic. So, when they finally did the wrap up, seeing them as phantoms sort of made sense, since they were supposedly watching a simulation (though that wasn't the original purpose, I'm sure). And the mother's were purposely kept in shadows. Bruce Jr's mother had dark hair (so at the time, Selina Kyle was presumed to be the mom). Not sure we ever saw the hair color of Clark Jr's mother; this way, readers could choose their own favorite between Lois and Lana.
copacetic if you dont jive with the swinging lingo, hepcat. Theres room on the trolley. 23 Skidoo!
"Excuse me, but I speak jive." 😉
Am I aware of the different versions of the Super Sons?
Yep! Every single one you mentioned!
And As a matter of fact I was really impressed with how thorough your research is!
At the beginning of your video I was wondering if you were going to cover the early versions of the Silver Age - you nailed it!!!
Like so many I was also upset when they hyper aged Jonathan. I really enjoyed the Super sons current stories.
And I just recently learned of the graphic novel version of "Ian and Jonathan" my local library had them...they are in my stack of "to read" books now.
The one comic I did miss was the Elseworlds 80 page Giant...didn't know about that one...gotta find it and check it out!
Sasha...great video. As an old guy who has read a lot of older comics I am impressed with your knowledge and research!
I would love to see DC do a crossover of the different Super-sons from the different universes!
Thank you for the super sons video :-)
Until your next one....
Excelsior!!
10:23 World's greatest detective.
I love super sons one of my first comics I was so sad when I found that it had such a little following and next to nothing outside of the supersons comics and that there were no plans to make an animated series which someone should do before I get old enough to do it myself
I still have a pair of Bruce Jr's pants. Well, not that precise design, but bell bottoms my Mom bought for me when I was in high school in 1973. They're much patched, the waist has been let out, and the bells have been taken in, but there's still much of the original fabric in place.
The computer shows them what it would be like to have sons...and also if Bruce had invented the Fing-Longer...a Bat can dream...
I loved loved loved the Jon/Damien Super Sons run. I hated when they basically killed it but I'm glad it's coming back.
You know, I always thought that if the duo became a trio with a young girl in the group it'd be super cool. Maybe like a young version of Wonder Woman or whoever to finish the trilogy. I hope they can get the og Super Sons artist on it. They were excellent and really fit the material.
I'm of the opposite mindset when it comes to graphic novels; I love wild reinvention. It's out of continuity, take advantage of it! I *adored* Swamp Thing: Twin Branches.
As for Superheroes having kids, I have a soft spot for Offspring, Plastic Man's son. I like the idea of an angsty teen having such goofy powers. It's always fun when characters have powers that don't match their personalities.
One of my first comics was a 70s issue starring the Super Sons.
The first time I heard of the Super Sons was in their final issue where Bats and Supes talks them into jumping into acid. Yike!
Have you considered that when your done with Lois stories maybe cover all the different super powers that Jimmy Olsen has had over the years
I found out about the "Super Sons" years ago in the Superman forums though for years I've seen the Sons pop up in World's Finest comic covers.. It was "The Search for a new Batman (which also featured Robin just returned from Hudson University).. The cover had a Superman and a dead Batman with teenaged versions of Supes (which I thought was Superboy) and Bats.. I bought the complete collection of Super Sons stories soon after..
question: could you do a vid later this month after the holiday special comes out about kid quick?
I remember reading these when I was young. Loved the sideburns on Super-son Supes.
I did enjoy the 1970's Super-Sons if for no other reason than I picked it up randomly as a kid and just assumed it had happened with no context to refer to. Them riding across America on a motorbike but still seeming to have all the resources of their parents was weird and intriguing.
However, the Generations concept by Byrne *really* worked for me because it's pretty much what I think most readers would like: a continuity that doesn't stay static and it allows Byrne to address the various eras of comic books and filter it through the lens of these two iconic characters. You definitely see the earlier iterations of the Batman/Robin/Superman II et al. ideas from the SIlver Age, but also get to see their consequences, and that alone would make for a fascinating video.
Shout-out to the Dillin art.
lmao that last cover killed me
And I just found the 80 Page Elseworld comic with the supersons on my DC universe platform!
Thanks Sasha...reading it now!
I am not a fan of what Bendis have done to the DC landscape. Glad a lot if is just being ignored by other writers lol
Yeah I couldnt wait for when he's off Superman
very cool!!
No mention of the World's Finest cover where Robin attempts to lure Batman and Superman into skinny dipping with some teen boys (check Bats and Supes facial looks of "I dunnoooo...")? Ok...
You realize that in the 70s, those striped pants were the most normal part of Batman Jr.'s outfit?
By the way, did Krypto and Ace the Bat-Hound ever team up? (I can't imagine *how* they could team up, but when has that ever stopped a comic book story?)
I think Ace was forever put off by the fact that Krypto, Streaky, Comet and Beppo got to join the Legion of Super Pets and he was never asked.
Only Krypto and Titus the other Bat-hound had a team up with the other super pets in a Super Sons issue.
I loved the Super Sons comic series (the Rebirth one). I'll never forgive Bendis for aging him up.
I remember reading a bit of the Supersons around the 70s and Lois wen't into a crisis for a bit when she thought Superman married someone and had a child with another woman
Hello from NYC. I love your videos and your batman voice 😍
Yes, I just LOVE Sasha's gruff Batman voice! 😎
If you ever want to do more Bronze Age World's Finest weirdness, please do!! The first and second times I bought that book (years apart) they lost to the villains of the issue!!
I would love to see you do a deeper dive into Byrne’s Generations, because oooooooooh boy.
Aging up only Johnathan Kent made Damien’s tsundare pinning for him really awkward.
Your brief reference to the character reminded me that I was always sad that Smallville did not feature appearances from Letitia Lerner...or Irwin Schwab. Those would have been GREAT episodes!
I remember in the 60s (yes, I'm that old) an elsewhere story where Superman had two sons, one with powers and one without. I remember the mom was always shown in shadow so we never were told who she was.
Awesome thanks
Besides aging Jon as a bad idea in the first place the way they did it was horrible as well. He spent years as a prisoner of Ultraman in a pit (no PTSD there. No Sir!)