The Detroit Pistons PERFECT Offseason! What Does It Look Like? | NBA Ideal Offseason
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What do y’all wanna see the Pistons do this offseason?
I want to see us Draft Zach Edey! Detroiiit BasketBalll!
Drop Wiseman. No Claxton. Trade Duran for a pick. Beef stew back up center to Zach. No Brandon Ingram. Him and Cade basically does the same thing. Get Luke Kennard. Keep Ivey as him and Cade will feed ofF Zach. Fonteccio will be wide open Asar would be open to slash and dunk. Detroit we play Right Pick right. Big fellas should be on the block. Everyone is not Wemby or Joker. The game now just is throwing up 3’s. Looks so bad when you break the game down. Zach almost automatic 2 pts plus a foul. Let’s go Detroit.
Bring Back Christian Wood for his edginess
@@MPratt-zq4ek Am I missing something, who is Zach?
Zach Edey from Purdue
I really like this team man. It’s a Major Improvement, definitely can win games and could make it to the play-in’s
That’s at least the goal, gotta start winning some games so we can see some true development haha.
At this point, I think Duncan Robinson has played well enough for Miami in the past season in addition to the fact that the deal is only 2 years left for them to just dump him for a 2nd rounder.
Not sure I comprehend this completely. Can you try to reexplain? Sorry!
I think ( could be wrong) that Robinson's value has increased as his game has evolved with the Heat, probably to the point that Miami would want more for him in a trade
@@brianking7757 You could totally be right! I think if a move like this did happen it would be because they have another move they want to make. So they need the cap relief. Those aprons are tough af right now haha.
Pistons fan here! Great, in-depth video! It brought up a lot of thoughts, so I apologize for the long read. I'll make them as digestible as possible.
1) Rumor has it that the Pistons might be a bit lower on Duren right now because his defensive effort was increasingly pitiful as the season went on. And while it's somewhat understandable because of his frequent injuries, he may have been one of the biggest factors in our defensive struggles as the season went on, because he was just letting guys blow by him without much of a fight in the second half of the season. There's talk that the Pistons may aggressively target Nic Claxton with a big contract and even move Stewart to the backup 5 position, because Stew's defense and floor spacing has worked well with Ausar for what we've seen. It may even be possible that in that trade scenario the Pistons would send Duren instead of Stewart. In which case, I think it may suffice to do Ivey, Duren, a 2027 1st and swapping the 5th overall pick this year for their 21st, if you even trade multiple firsts at all. That way you can probably use the 21st to pick up an older and more developed player in the draft like Tristan da Silva, or maybe Filipowski if he's still there.
2) I appreciate your comments about Ausar, and not just because he's my favorite player on the team. I also tend to see him as a future 2 on the team, because it ideally helps create a size/defensive advantage if we're able put good two-way forwards like Ingram and Fontecchio, for example, around him.
3) I love Jalen Smith, actually, and just mentioned him as an option to the fellow Pistons fans yesterday. Both Cade Cunningham and Ausar Thompson benefit tremendously from playing with bigs that stretch the floor. Heck, in the exceptionally brief time we were playing Mike Muscala off the bench with Ausar, before we waived Muscala for some reason, the two looked great together, and were torching the Bucks in one game (that we still lost because Cade was out and our starters were NOT good). We've been talking heavily about Valanciunas as an option too in the Pistons community, partly because he's got that connection with our new FO comprised of former Pels staff.
4) Speaking of the Pelicans connection, I think there's a good chance the Pistons would pursue a guy like Naji Marshall for wing depth, since they apparently attempted to acquire him at the deadline during the season. Considering Trajan Langdon drafted him, I feel like that chance increases further since he's a UFA now. I wouldn't even be surprised if Langdon makes a strong attempt at prying Jordan Hawkins away from NO, since he adores him. After Langdon left Brooklyn for NO, they had Brooklyn trade the newly drafted Nickeil Alexander-Walker, whom Langdon apparently scouted, over to NO. So it wouldn't be the first time he made an effort to bring "his guys" over.
5) I think the Duncan Robinson idea is alright, since it gives us some draft mobility and a decent veteran wing with basically an expiring contract.
Thanks for all the hard work you put in, and congrats on this latest NBA work you secured! 🙌
This was an awesome read! Thank you for a well thought out comment! I’ll try to touch on it all!
1. Yeah I have also heard those rumblings. I personally would rather try to develop the massive talent he is. That’s why changing the culture is so important. If you come in expecting to lose every night how much effort can you give?
2. Yeah Ausar is amazing. I would love to coach him!
3. Glad we agree on Smith, you are totally right that the spacing from big men really opened up Cade and the rest of the team!
4. I could see a Naji addition for sure! If y’all got Hawkins that would be dope.
5. Yeah it’s just nice to have a shooter, and ya have the money haha.
Appreciate the kind words about the job as well haha! It was an awesome trip. We definitely got aligned as to how we want to build the team.
Love this. Great look.
@@kcowan79 I really appreciate it!
Smith is the perfect center for Ausar. They can either start together or come off the bench together.
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 Makes sense to me!
Was just starting my morning catching up on the last few videos of this series and then a brand new one pops up for me! Been really enjoying your channel and I appreciate all of the effort you put into it. Extraordinarily informative. P.S. fellow Bulls fan! (someone save us from misery)
Aye I love to hear that! When I schedule these for 7am I like to imagine people starting their work day with it haha!
Yeah this run as a Bulls fan just hurts…
Great work. Appreciate the effort you have put in here (probably more than the Pistons Front Office over the last few years). The Ingram move would divide fans, but I like it as he adds much needed shooting and help for Cade. As you mentioned, it would require an extension if paying this much for him. I like the signings of Smith and Nwora. Not sure on JV, doubt he comes to Detroit as a backup. There are probably cheaper options out there (Saric, Goga, Tillman). I would probably like another guard, as I'm not 100% sure on Sasser/Flynn/Grimes. Maybe a veteran PG or a solid combo guard like Melton.
I really like the Shake Melton idea! Big fan of his. Appreciate the kind words haha!
Stew is a good rotation player on a good contract. I wouldn’t add him to this kind of trade. Need better defense at the backup 5 than Val. Stew makes the most sense.
Like adding Duncan. I want Gary Trent Junior as well.
I could see GTJ for sure. You wanting to move Grimes then?
@@_AVC_I’m willing to
I do believe the pistons 2025 pick is lottery protected to the Knicks
It is. I just don’t display it if we don’t have a for sure way of having a pick haha.
you have my dream job. keep it up man. my theory is only make a move if you gain draft capital or move into contention. being a tweener team is the worst thing you can do IMO.
I love the IMO at the end and thank you for the compliment! I always find it weird when people use such absolute statements in their comments so it was a refresher to see “IMO”.
I totally hear you on the make a move in those spots only and 90% of the time I agree. In this instance I think you have to otherwise you stall out this good you g talent that you have. Gotta give em a reason to play, it sucks to get ya ass handed to ya everyday in front of a crowd.
I feel like that is a lot for B.I when it doesn’t seem like New Orleans wants him. With the salary cap how much competition is there for him?
That’s a great question actually! In reality there are probably 5-6 teams considering him that can all offer solid packages to get him. Maybe it costs a little bit less than what I had in the video but there is still only 2-3 guys that can do what he does in the league.
The economics of the league I tell ya 😅
It was in fact the opposite, ownership and management had to tell Monty to start and play Ivey instead of Killian Hayes, it seemed like Monty didnt like Ivey from day 1, and i dont understand that and Jalen Durens defense was abysmal last year, and his effort was even worse
Yeah I have no idea what happened with Monty but it was weird af. I don’t blame Duren though too much. If you knew what all went on at Memphis, and then coming into this situation in Detroit it could get draining. At the end of the day effort is a choice but this is a 20 year old.
adding to this if you are serious about building around Cade, starting Ausar and Duren is not a good start lol, no matter how good Ausar is at spacing the floor without shooting, you cant do that AND run Cade/Duren PNRs it would just be way to clogged in the paint for Cade to operate, and i think that package is too much for Ingram to not get at least the 21st pick back, id be much more open to trading Duren than Stew/Ivey, i think Cade and Stew could have a real nice Pick and Pop game with Ausar being a really good PNR partner for Cade, although i really like the Duncan Robinson trade and the Jalen Smith signing, but id rather have Gary Harris over Bullock
@@ImJustKyle_ How come you don’t like Duren?
I’ll challenge you in your answer as well. Don’t just say because of xyz, try to answer why that is as well.
Something I teach young scouts haha
@@_AVC_ I think Duren offensively is very good, and next to Cade even better, the reason I say trade him over Stew/Ivey is simply I think Ausar has a better ceiling than Duren does, while yes he’s only 20 years old the bad effort becomes bad habits, as a Pistons fan I seen the same thing from Andre Drummond his whole career here, unreal double double machine but very lack luster rim protection and defensive effort, there were times last year where it looked like Duren was just trying to get his own, in the end I don’t think Ausar and Duren can work together
@@ImJustKyle_ I totally hear you on that. The effort was poor at points for sure. I struggle to write off a 20 year old in that position though. The chaos that happens at Memphis (if you only knew what I know haha). Then coming into the NBA and just losing every night, having your role constantly change, have the team trade for other young guys at your position, that’s a lot to ask of a 20 year old.
We can hope for better but I’ll take the talent and try to change the culture first.
This would be a really great offseason for them. I thought you were going to trade for mikal instead of ingram for the same package and i was a fan of that. I dont know if its even a possibility but the fit would be amazing
I think they would love the idea of Ivey personally. If I was a gm of the pelicans I would want someone that I can develop with my young core!
They have to keep Fontehhico (or however its spelled) and he can start
Agreed!
after watching the presser from the new head of basketball for the pistons its more likely theyll go after guys like Lavine imo
The Bulls fan in me says he’s all yours for Duren and a 1st.
As a Pistons, idk if I like this roster setup for this Piston team. Besides, I don't think the Pistons are going to trade the 5th pick without getting anything back.
They got Brandon Ingram back…?
@@_AVC_ At the expense of not having a pick, no thanks.
@@Lionheart831 Huh interesting. What did you think of my goal for the season?
Troy Brown Jr is unguaranteed, I don't think Detroit should keep him, he is not worth more than the minimum, so raw cap space should be more valuable. I do like what you did with him tho, Duncan Robinson would be great for Detroit, and maybe Miami could use TBJr.
Detroit can't trade the 2027 1st (they can if they play with the protections) but they owe a future protected first to the Knicks, and untill that's resolved they can't trade future firsts, they could trade a 2031 1st I believe, but not 2027, but I think #5 + Stew and Ivey could be enough to get an expiring Ingram, I don't think a team as bad and as dysfunctional as Detorit should be trading any more future 1sts to be honest.
One free agency move I would love for Detroit to make is sign Naji Marshall. He never made too much money in his career and he proved to be a legit playoff rotation piece, and he should be cheap and he is a winger with a skillset that would be great next to Cade (he plays hard on defense, can shoot, and can handle the ball).
I also love De'Anthony Melton, another free agent that should be cheap, plays great PoA defense has a high BBIQ and would fit perfectly next to Cade (or anyone fwiw).
And I would love for us to bring Umude and Evbuomwan back for the minimum/2 way as 3rd stringers
But overall I like the video, you're knowledgeable and well informed. I particularly love what you said about Monty Williams. Imo he quit on the team because he was forced to do a few things against his will (start Ivey and play Stew at the 4) also I think the players quit on him because of the whole Ivey situation.
Hey I appreciate it! Yeah you’re right about the pick, you can trade it but it gets complicated. I just decided not to bore people in the vid haha.
The Monty stuff is so weird to me. Really wanna talk to someone there that knows what happened fully.
@@_AVC_ For me it's clear that something happened in the locker room in the game against Portland (IIRC). Detroit was cruising through the game, destroying Portland, and they came back different from the half time, they lost the game, and the team was never the same after that. Later in the season there were reports that Gores and Weaver talked to Monty and told him to start Ivey. I also remember a twitter from Duren with a picture of him, Cade, Ausar and Ivey saying something along the lines "same vibe". It's quite obvious that Monty lost the locker room to me, but I am just trying to connect the dots. I have experience coaching in e-sports so that's probably very different than handling professional basketball athletes.
What do you think about De'Anthony Melton? How much do you expect him to make in free agency and where do you expect him to land?
@@vegecs I mean managing people is managing people. It’s probably different personalities but otherwise leading is leading.
I like Melton. Only a year removed from being a really good NBA player. Fits anywhere in theory.
I appreciate this thought experiment and seeing a realistic take on moving Detroit to a more competitive team rather than trying to go all out.
1.) My mindset for Detroit is to build around primarily Cade and Ausar while looking at everyone else as players to complement them. Cade is the biggest sure fire star we have and I believe Ausar is second on that list with his jump shot being his only real weakness. Also wings who are multifaceted are hard to come by, so Ausar should be a building block. I believe Ivey can be an all star or fringe all star level player if he develops his shooting, playmaking, and defense. I just don’t believe he’s a great fit next to Cade and Ausar because he’s streaky and needs the ball to be a factor. If he was an off ball threat I would consider keeping him but he would be on the trade block for me. Duren I also believe he can be an fringe all star at his potential, but my question for Duren is how long will it take for him to not be raw overall and to be good as a rim protector? Do you believe he can show improvement defensively to justify paying him an extension next year? Would that deal be worth it compared to using that money elsewhere and getting a cheaper big or a more established big? Duren would be a player I try to keep unless I see a deal that helps Ausar and Cade much better.
2.) If I’m Detroit, before the draft I’m sending an offer to Utah where we give them Ivey, Duren, #5, and a protected future FRP for Lauri Markkanen. I believe he’s the ideal piece next to Cade and Ausar long term. If they accept it then we focus on our SRP and move to free agency. I think Utah should consider this deal because it gives them another swing at a big, a top 5 guard in the draft 2 years ago, a top5 pick this draft, and a future protected pick. I don’t know what other team can offer draft picks and two really good young players like this. OKC can spam picks, but I’m not sure they’re willing to give up players on par with us. Spurs have picks, but they wouldn’t give up Vassel. Not guaranteed, but I think they would at least consider it.
3.) If Utah declines I would then offer #5 and Ivey for #2 and #26 from Washington. Washington I feel is a team who would be willing to trade down if they can remain in the top 5. Washington likely gets Sarr or Risacher if they stay at 2. They have plenty of forwards right now and need a big. If Risacher is available I feel they wouldn’t mind trading down and getting potentially Clingan at 5 plus Ivey. Detroit I can see do this because Risacher fits Ausar and Cade better. Risacher would come in and bring spacing. The core gets adjusted with a more cohesive team.
3.) I’m going to continue as if Lauri trade didn’t get accepted, but the Washington trade did
4.) I 1,000% agree with you on letting Fournier walk. His 19mil expiring may be useful, but I don’t think teams would want his deal to make any trade worth it.
5.) the BI trade I’m torn on. Looking at him in a vacuum would be a great fit on this team next to Cade, Ausar, Risacher, and Duren. The extension is what makes me hesitant. You would be giving him like 40-50+ mil per year when he has his injury issues. I also think we didn’t need to give up a future FRP when all reports are they don’t want to pay him. Detroit is one of the few teams that can just absorb his contract without adding much in the books for NOLA. I feel that uniquely gives Detroit leverage because I haven’t seen a deal where NOLA gets back anything close to a BI level player to counteract the value we provide. Maybe BI’s extension won’t be as expensive due to no other team having the money to pay him anywhere close? I’m not sure.
6.) I like the idea of going after Monk, Claxton, Gary Trent Jr, and Jalen Smith. Monk is likely gone from Sacramento because they can only pay him like 17mil. I feel we can offer 20-25mil on a 2+1. Claxton I would either just sign outright or do a sign and trade for him by giving Duren to Brooklyn. I just feel that worth Claxton he already figured out his game and you get an established guy next to Cade who is bring that defense now. I wish I had a Stew trade so Jalen Smith slid at the backup 5 spot. Gary Trent Jr is just additional bench scoring.
7.) I’ve been thinking about a trade with GSW where we give them Grimes for Moses Moody. Kerr seems to not trust Moody for some reason and I feel Detroit can better utilize his skill set. He would be a better fit next to Cade than Ivey was because of good scoring. GSW get a guy that Kerr should trust and who can be their bigger version of GP2. Also that’s one of the few ways they can upgrade without losing any rotational player. Maybe I like Moody more than most but I can see him being extremely good if given consistent minutes.
My *hopefully* somewhat realistic team for Detroit would be:
Starters:
Cade, Monk, Ausar, Risacher, Claxton
2nd unit:
Sasser, Moody, Trent Jr, Fontecchio, Smith
3rd unit:
Brown Jr, #26 pick(Daron Holmes?), Umude, Flynn, a backup playmaker
Wow this is an awesome comment. Thank for both the well thought out ideas AND proper grammar haha! Hard to come by. I’ll answer your questions briefly but I’ll leave a link to my discord at the bottom to talk more.
1. Yes I agree to your evaluations and I think Duren is plenty worth keeping around.
2. If Lauri is available Detroit can definitely get him but I don’t think they are dealing him.
3. I think it is worth moving up in the draft, or at least more so than sitting at 5.
4. Glad we agree haha.
5. I see the BI trade as a symbol more than anything else to the team/organization that losing is no longer acceptable.
6. I like all those names for sure. I tended to avoid Trent/Monk here not for a lack of interest but because I want to prioritize Ausar at a guard spot and give Grimes a chance to show something because I like his potential. We want to show we can grow someone.
7. Moody is certainly interesting! I’ll still keep Grimes though.
discord.gg/WuKyXk3pNe
I might trade Ivey for Risacher since the Pistons seem eager to move on.
Adding in pick 5 for Kuzma also makes some sense for both sides.
I don't like the new trade but we might not get good value when shopping Ivey.
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 So the trade would be Ivey and 5 for the second pick? Am I understanding that correctly?
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 so you’re saying Jaden Ivey and #5 for Kuzma and #2? I feel another asset has to be attached for Washington to say yes. Washington would likely ask for an additional FRP at least. At that point you have to ask yourself is Kuzma and Risacher worth #2, at least one additional FRP, and Ivey.
My foundation for the deal is #5 and Ivey for #2 and another asset. That other asset makes sense for both sides to be the 26th pick or a pick in the future in 2026, 2028, or 2030 because those years Washington has at least two those years.
@@_AVC_ that's correct. Ivey is better than Risacher. The Wizards are rumored to like Clingan and have decent forward depth. Kuzma is on a fair market value contract.
The Pistons probably lose the trade but upgrade their fit and perhaps win more games in the short run.
If the Pistons are eager to trade Ivey they might find it difficult to get a good return.
Oh yeah we’re seated for this
Haha good to hear!
Nice video, but it'd help my capacity to pay attention if you sorted your background out. You'd probably do better with the channel too.
This is very helpful! Can I ask you be more specific though… like on the spreadsheet or my literal camera background?
Anther pistons fan. Like most of the moves.. the free agent signings..i would look at players like Andre Drummond, Naji Marshall, Gary Harris, Kelly Obre, Cedi Osman...
Those are all solid options!
Dude, you dont actually know the pistons very well. Im a few minutes in and you say Duren has high defensive IQ? Are you serious? Did you watch the wet tissue back line defense we had? Also that Monty wasn't the one driving the lineup minutes? Bro, a cursory look at some of the beat writers would show you that the team had an intervention mid season to force Monty to start playing Ivey. He even admitted he didn't know that Ivey could play as a secondary ball handler. He was essentially clueless about the nuances of the team. I'm going to watch the rest of this video, but I'm sooo skeptical about what you're talking about right now. ❤
I’m not completely sure how to respond to this 😅. I’m glad you’re watching the rest but dang a long message already. But yeah let’s talk about it haha.
I do think Duren has really good instincts. I just think his effort was poor honestly. Which normally I would write him off for but knowing what I know about the situation I honestly can’t blame him (I can explain more if you want).
As far as the Monty stuff, I don’t know man I just need the full story. I just know that dude can coach, I have experience with it. I just don’t think it’s nearly that simple. I’m hoping to get some info on it over the summer but I’m not all that connected to that staff.
Still dream of Bol Bol in Pistons Jersey!
I support your dream haha!
@@_AVC_ Lol. Need veteran presents on this team, I will be interested in players like Danny Green, Alex Caruso and Derozan.
@@jariz143 The Bulls fan in me is saying I’ll give away whoever just give me a lil something lol.
Thanks for doing Detroit. I would love Brandon Ingram or D Murray. Don’t want this years pick. I’m willing to trade Stew, Duran {for the right piece} Ivey for a really good player. I think he will be really good soon. Simone T is a great fit for Detroit.
I love Fonteccio haha glad he has some love in Detroit! Hope this team starts to get going!
This was a very detailed rebuild but I think the fatal flaw in your plan is the fact that Duren is low key an actually really bad defender, he needs to be replaced. Also our draft picks are tied up due to the Isaiah stewart draft trade so we can trade future picks, only trade the current pick on draft night. How about trade Duren or Stew, the 1st rd pick and stuff for KAT. This would allow Ausar the space to roam and Cade another 20+ point scorer to play with?
Hey I really appreciate it! Very kind words. As far as Duren goes, the player evaluator in me sees no problem with talent. Just a 20 year old in a dumb situation. I’d rather coach the talent.
@@_AVC_no doubt. Everyone was bad on defense. Very little perimeter containment. Duren was a good rim protector in HS and college. At 20 years old, with all of the athletic tools and flashes, I think he can become much better.
Plus Detroit has their draft pick next year if it is 1-13
@@elblouses128 Exactly. There is no reason he can’t be.
@@stevenwilliford1892 Yeah I just never bank on it haha.
I’d like the spreadsheet and the discord please great job on the content wish u we’re the GM lol
Haha I appreciate it and I got you! Here is the link, just hop on and shoot me a DM to get the sheet!
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Could I have the spreadsheet please?
You certainly can! Just DM me using this link and I’ll set you up!
discord.gg/7fbGhaPraC
Interesting moves, thanks for the effort. I think it's a lot to give up for Ingram if the Pelicans really don't have the desire to extend him anyway, but maybe you're right and that's what it would take. I definitely want them to bring Tech back and don't mind most of the FA additions, but I do have two issues with the final lineup. First I don't think you can bring back both Sasser and Flynn as your backup PGs, if you're going to roll with Sasser as the backup you need to add a FA with some experience running an offense instead of Flynn. I don't mind some much older and much cheaper guy sort of like how you found Len. But Grimes and Ausar can't create at all, Sasser really struggled with it as well. Give them somebody who can run the offense a bit for at least the first quarter of the season. The other issue I have is you don't really have anybody who can guard a bigger PF with Tech at the 4 and Duren at C. Tech defended well but he's not as big as he seems and Duren was absolutely poor as a defender last season, even before he checked out mentally for the last month. If Ausar is going to guard the other teams' best perimeter player and your only interior defender is Duren, you'll get eaten alive. You'd have to turn Cade into a post defender maybe :|
Also just want to say I appreciate that you actually have some Pistons knowledge instead of just looking at the record and a couple of articles and pretending for 30 minutes.
Hey thanks for the love! I’ll try to touch on the points.
I actually agree that this team probably could use a veteran PG on the team. That should’ve been done.
As far as size at the 4, I think Jalen Smith probably covers that? Or BI?
Thoughts?
@@_AVC_ If BI did help at 4 for Detroit then it would be the best acquisition they made since Sheed and I'd be ecstatic :D
I guess it would all come down to his willingness.
@@luniz4209 Oh yeah he played 4 in multiple lineups last year haha. Good defensive player overall as well.
I. Would. Like A Spreadsheet
Love it haha. Use this link and shoot me a DM! I’ll hook you up from there!
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could i get the spreadsheet?
You certainly can! Use this link to send me a DM and I’ll hook you up from there!
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I want BI, but I'm effy on his health. I'm not huge on JI, but he might turn to something ( Monty ruined his development). If Pistons get BI with Obi, Kuz, Harris maybe even Bridges 😬. It's over, Cade will have spacing he needs. JV is someone I've been eying too, but I would sign him for less and go after more shooters.
Pistons have a lot of options, it just sucks we have a bad owner and a coach that doesn't care. The franchise has been historically bad under Gores and it's sad to see a franchise that gave us the Bad Boys and going to work turn to this.
Yeah I wanna see this franchise reclaim some of that glory. Would be good for the sport.
@@_AVC_ I'm over rooting for a bad franchise
@@DeVonAmbitious Can’t blame ya for that haha
@@_AVC_ It depressing I hope they go after Carter Jr too instead of JV. If they can get Deni, Carter and hopeful BI later depending on who they can trade after FA. This team would be fun to watch again.
@@DeVonAmbitious It would at least be dynamic again!
Did this guy say Duren has a high defensive IQ? WTF
I did lol. I’ll distinguish the effort from it though 😅. Gotta improve that (even though he has some solid reasons not to), but I’ve been around him enough to know he knows his stuff.
Idk why but I can see them making a move for zach lavine or kyle kuzma. They need guys that can get a bucket & win them some games. That 5 pick with jaden ivey maybe some contracts to match could work. What do you think?
I could see it! I don’t always think those two are great team basketball players and I would take BI over both but it’s not a bad idea!
We also want guys that win basketball games as well for culture purposes.
Troy brown jr contract is non guaranteed
Pistons first is protected from 2025-2027 so cant trade a first till 29.
Its hard for me to see the heat moving robinson. Had a bounce back yr, team desperately needs shooting, the final yr of his deal only has roughly 9-10 mill guaranteed. Ik they are a 2nd apron team i believe so its possible
I like the idea of a brandon ingram trade for both sides. I do wonder if this would be enough to free agents that this shows hey the pistons are tryna compete so could they be more appealing. The players id target after this move would be monk and hartenstein (maybe 4yrs 90-95mil to both). Then simone fontechio (around 3 yrs 30 mil) and tobias harris (15 mil a yr 2-3 yrs).
Whatever the pistons do, dont settle for zach lavine
Don’t settle for Lavine was a great summary sentence 😂. Loved the thoughts as well, and thanks for the Troy Brown part I missed that haha.
There are actually ways to still trade the picks by the way. It’s incredibly complicated but you still can do it! Actually had a discussion like that this week.
@@_AVC_ i wonder what the reasoning is to it because ik what u said is true because the miami heat did that. There 2025 first is lottery protected to okc and if it dosent convert then it becomes a 2026 unprotected first. But somehow with the rozier deal they could deal a lottery protected 2027 first that becomes unprotected in 2028. I thought that kinda just ignored the stepien rule where u cant go consecutive yrs without a first.
@@M8trix6363 You can basically build out a whole crazy matrix of conditions that apply on top of each other in perfect sync. It’s complicated is the best way to say it, that’s why NBA teams have cap experts.
As a Miami heat fan, hell no! We can trade Caleb Martin for Troy Brown and the 2 second round pick.
Are you saying you would rather have Duncan than Caleb? Sorry I just wanted to clarify!
I think we can fine another center like duren archetype. I would trade him for a veteran and draft clinigan
What vet you got in mind?
@@_AVC_ I’m thinking more like Claxton. He’s 50% of duren offense but 200% on defense
@@deonhaynes2330 Yeah Claxton is a dope ass defender. I do feel like someone is gonna go too all in on Claxton though just because there aren’t really many other options.
@@_AVC_ I would offer him 4yr 100
@@deonhaynes2330 I could see him going a little higher than that but it’s a fair offer in my eyes!
Where do you want to see James Wiseman next season?
I don’t know honestly. He isn’t someone that I’m gonna throw on a target list personally. If a team told me “I want a young athletic center to try and develop.” Well then shit okay haha. But otherwise nah.
@@_AVC_ have you seen some of his highlights? Hahaha
@@isaacjoshuaaganon9337 I’ve watched more film than is healthy 😅, it’s literally my job haha.
Commingham ready to trade and Stewart.
Huh? 😅
First time watching your videos. Loved your breakdown! But I would renegotiate Wiseman's contract and resign him to a smaller extension instead of signing Alex Len. Also, I like Jalen Smith but would prefer a more seasoned veteran like a Naji Marshall or Larry Nance Jr. instead. Hate to see Ivey traded but it's time we start winning some ball games. I wonder, could we sign a player like Issac Okoro or Caris Levert instead of a Reggie Bullock? #PistonsFan
Appreciate it! I don’t mind the Nance/Marshall adds at all! As far as Reggie goes, that was a culture move. I think it’s more beneficial to have some teachers on the team.
Ideal for me, trade Ivey and the pick for Zacchaire from France/top 3 2024 pick . Trade Stew, Grimes and some swaps with Utah for Lauri Markkanen. Trade some 2nds for Johnathan Issac. Trade Sasser, Stanley Umude and some 2nds for Grayson Allen. Sign Kelly Oubre and Dario Saric in Free Agency and bring up a Promise 4/5 with size from the G League
I love the potential adds but I don’t think you gave enough for some of these guys 😅. Especially the Lauri one, it’ll take a lot more. But again I love the target list!
Rather have Ivey than zacchaire
@@Jamar-lg9ob I could see both honestly.
@@_AVC_ me too put don't see him being better than Ivey
@@Jamar-lg9ob If I’m being honest I totally could. Not saying I can’t see the opposite either. Just different players.
You passed up on daron Holmes ! Oh well he won't be there at 43 most likely anyways but would love to have him
Haha yeeeeah. Well watch the video that drops today, and maybe we talk about him… 👀
I want in on the discord but I’d like the spreadsheet also😅
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TOO MUCH FOR INGRAM
HOW MUCH FOR INGRAM? lol
First thing our 2025 draft pick is top 13 protected . Thats not a lottery i want to miss though i know that doesnt make for a very exciting video .
My 2nd point is you overpaid for ingram ..drastically imo . Nola was dumb enough to tell everyone they arent giving i gram 50m and to be honest i dont love it either .with cade getting 45m per or so and having some injury issues i dont love 95m per in injury prone players . The moves to make this year imo is take lavines salary on im a salary dump and maybe gain an asset . His 43m per for 3 years isnt that bad anymore and hes a better scorer than ingram . Hes a good shooter gets cade a true no 2 and provides some spacing . Then im getting a defensive center maybe claxto. If the price is right if not just a backup level . Thats it thats all i do this year . That allows players to grow with the additional spacing and scoring . Hopefully the center can teach duren and we get a wing with superstar upside in 2025 lotto then we are ready to make aome big moves
Appreciate the comment! On not related note is there a reason all your periods are spaced that way? It just makes it a little hard to read .
Anyway. Yeah Lavine is certainly a better scorer but he’s also coming off an injury so does the same point apply, if not why doesn’t it?
@@_AVC_ for some reason my thumb hits the period by the space bar . Sure it apllies to lavine but lavine is 43 m for 3 years and you can probably get an asset bt taking him on you have us giving up ivey a no 5 and a future frp then paying him 36m then 52 52 52 52 . So 2 years longer more money and lavine asset wise for all intents an purposes is free at worst . If chicago wont play ball i try an overpay monk on a short deal like 3 for 90 maybe . Lavine in my scenario is a stop gap . After that contract gets down to the final year if hes scoring even 20 a game which he can do in his sleep then i flip him for additional assets . At that point hopefully either ivey has developed or ausur can be our oversized 2 and the stud wing we got in 2025 can play the 3
Btw i abaolutely love this video . Its so fun and i hope you dont take my comment as.not appreciating what you do . I think your a great content creator and i hope you blow up
@@adamperry4216 I don’t think Zach is really free. They’ll want some draft capital back or they’ll just run it back with him. If it’s one thing the Bulls have made clear is that they will happily sit in mediocrity 😂.
@@adamperry4216 Oh it’s never personal 😂 I just love the conversation! It’s the only way to grow!
I would like a spreadsheet
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What do you think the chances are that Detroit goes after Miles Bridges in FA?
No clue honestly. I don’t know if that’s a great fit personally, like if I was working for them I would advise against it.
@@_AVC_ I don’t like the fit either. As a Hornets fan that’s been the main team we’ve heard him linked to, but I don’t buy it. Just wanted to ask about him since I didn’t hear him brought up. Thank you!
@@Daniel_Barbie Of course my friend haha!
you can't trade that pick to no until the pick to the knicks conveys. Also the brandon ingram thing at least shouldn't happen. He's a bad fit with cade, his own team doesnt think he's going to be worth his contract (the gm of which is now the pistons POBO), and you gave up 3.5ish frp for him. IF that move doesnt work out (which given the fit next to cade, probably wouldnt), the team is in a hole and is going to hit the reset button again in 2-3 years. no thank you.
What does “work out” mean?
@@_AVC_ fit well next to cade - perform up to the contract he will demand? Why would you assume he would fit well next to cade? 2 of the last 3 years he's a below league avg 3 point shooter whose main skillset shrinks the floor for cade? That's not a guy I would give a max contract to if I were the pistons, let alone give up multiple FRP when I had limited assets to begin with.
@@scArisen Okay I just wanted to make sure we defined points haha. So working out is fit well with Cade.
The 3pt thing is slightly misleading, you have a point that he could probably get that up but he has a solid average over the last say 5 years. We also need to ask why is that? Does he have anyone creating for him, no. Do they run an offense for him to get open 3s, no.
That’s kinda the thing with coaching and evaluating at the pro level is we need to look past results and ask why are we getting those results? Aside from that he does just about everything well on the basketball court and is a guaranteed talent upgrade to the team. Added defense, playmaking, and you have two tall offensive initiators! I would kill for that! The defense would go crazy with that lineup as well!
Thoughts?
@@_AVC_ Also I'm sure you already know this, but you actually should be able to trade that 2027 first rounder. In 2027 the pick we owe the knicks will become a second round pick, if it hasn't already conveyed by that point. So the 2027 first round pick is tradeable because the Knicks can never own it.
@@joebrissette7676 Yeah you can always trade this stuff it’s just a complicated process haha. Not worth trying to explain it all in video and I’m not even sure I could explain it well!
This is aweful, MASSIVELY overvaluing MR 59 games per season Ingram.
I’m listening…
@@_AVC_ ? You would seriously give up 3 young assets for a player that cannot stay on the court? This is the primary reason that NO is not offering BI a max, which would otherwise would be a no brainer given his production 'when healthy'. I actually really like the rest of your roster building (although the pistons do have a 25 pick its protected to new york and doesn't convey unless they essentially make the playoffs) and TMIII is a FA so using him in trades would not work. But its just too much to pay for BI. Also, your overstating Durens defense. Top 5 rim runner but gets lost consistently on defense. He needs a defensive mentor, or a defensive replacement.
@@guldakot Yeah I would for the message we are trying to send. The franchise needs a jumpstart, even if that move doesn’t lead to a championship (it almost certainly won’t).
I actually love the fit of Ingram there, but there is a very specific style you need to use to get the most out of it. At the end of the day though they just need to start being competitive.
As far as Duren, I don’t disagree that the production is poor but the ability is there and he has pretty solid reasons to not be great right now. I can explain more if you’re curious.
@@_AVC_ Oh I know the reasons behind Durens falloff defensively, 4 ankle injuries, statistically one of the worst coached seasons in the history of all of the major sports, and the fact that putting effort in on a historically bad team when your coach was internally fired in March doesn't really inspire a player to try his best. Concerning Ingram, I agree fitwise he would be great, but his lack of consistent availability would mean that he NO would get one of Ivey or the 5 to go with Stewart, not both. Considerring we could probably get D Hunter from ATL for a 2nd I would rather do that , draft a player like Buzelis or Cody Williams and go from there. I do appreciate your insights though!
@@guldakot Hey happy to provide it man! Always try to inspire some deeper insight and thinking here haha!
I would like the spreadsheet please
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2025 is probably lottery protected
I could see that argument for sure
It is
My bad I completely misunderstood this comment the first time. You are correct!
@@mrfortwash Correct!
Hire Adam Simon as GM rajon rondo as hc trade Stew sasser the 5th pick 2029 first 2030 pick swap three seconds to Utah for Lauri markken resign fronttechio and grimes get oubre hartenstien cp3 in Free agency start
Cade
Ivey
Fronttechio
Lauri
Duren with cp3 grimes asuar Kelley hartenstien perfect team to grow together
I like the targets but you probably gotta pay more for Lauri haha.
Sorry bro. Not liking any of this. Ingram has been mentioned to detroit and i really hope it doesn’t happen. He’s decent but he’s injury prone and overpaid. He’s basically an injury prone Jeremy grant but without the solid D. Both are nice players but they need the ball in their hands too much and for too long. We need athletic shooters who can move with the ball and keep the offense flowing. BI is a black hole when the ball goes to him. I don’t see him fitting well with cade and company, just as grant didn’t either.
Also, while those assets might be what it takes to acquire a guy like BI, why on earth would a team like ours who is light years away even from the play-in, trade 2 young assets AND 2 first round picks for a guy at his level? He’s not elite like that and i don’t think he fits as i said. We need to be stockpiling 1st rounders, not trading them away. While this is a weak draft i can see there will be a player at 5 who would be a very good piece for us. We need more 1st rounders not just to draft players (we have less talent than some realize) but to give us future flexibility in trades. I don’t see BI as a guy who is worth that large of an investment for a team like ours. If we were 1 or 2 players away, maybe. But even then like i said, i don’t think he’s a good fit. We need to stockpile shooters and versatile athletes who help space the floor and keep the offense moving. We literally have maybe 4 or 5 guys worth keeping. To put so much in 1 acquisition that we’re then forced to take on a bunch of ‘leftovers’ to fill out the roster is not smart long term or short term.
We are not acquiring top free agents so we need to draft and trade well. I don’t think this is it. At all. Sorry for the long post. I appreciate the time and thought you put into your video but i could not be less enthused about your ideas though. Lol peace bro.
Haha it’s okay to disagree! Out of curiosity what did you think of my reasoning for BI?
@@_AVC_ so i don’t think a move like that sends the message you’d want it to. There are other good players we could acquire who play hard and FIT and could help contribute to winning basketball, but who also don’t cost so much. Plus acquiring him doesn’t send the message that losing is no longer ‘OK’. Because if we take on such a huge contract on a guy who i don’t think fits, we lose future flexibility to actually build a solid all around team long term. It feels like the Blake griffin acquisition again, even though BI is obviously younger. Both are big names though with enormous contracts and skill sets that are not conducive to team basketball. What happens when we owe picks and have no assets to acquire more MUCH needed talent? This proposal puts way too many eggs in one basket and severely limits our future flexibility, both salary cap-wise and just from an asset point of view.
@@aaronmedeiros9088 I think we just moved this year and next years pick, and most of if not all the salary comes off the books by the time any decisions need to be made with all the younger players so I’m a little confused by that logic.
As far as the message sending then. Why doesn’t it send a message? The argument was just we could do it but do it better. You certainly could try to say that sure but I don’t know why it wouldn’t send that message.
I personally love the fit as well. Like some of the work I’m doing in the league right now revolves around finding ways to have bigger and more dynamic lineups. I’m not saying you’re necessarily wrong I’m just curious. I know you mentioned something about him being a ball stopper but I’m curious to hear you expand on that.
@@_AVC_ i thought you said a 2027 pick but in any event, we already owe a future 1st to NY. Even if the protections lead to it never conveying, we are restricted in our future arsenal of picks and plus there’s the Stephien rule that limits trades of picks we can make. To also owe one to the pelicans is not smart IMO. Why do we want to restrict our future flexibility in trades and the draft? We are light years away from contending so making moves that are putting a LOT of assets into one acquisition makes no sense IMO. BI is a big name and that might get people excited. But what happens when we still suck and when we have little to no future assets to keep building our team? The hype will wear off really quickly. Why not use cap space to acquire more reasonable contracts or even to take on a ‘bad’ contract for a year or 2 in exchange for an ADDITIONAL 1st rounder? As for BI, he is primarily a 1 on 1 player. He dribbles a lot and does not move the ball well. Think back to Jeremy grant but only worse. Good player but not very good at sharing the ball IMO. When the ball goes to him, it stops moving and the offense comes to a standstill. Plus he’s very injury prone. Look, he can be a good player but i just don’t think the fit or the cost for acquiring him is worth it when i do a cost-benefit analysis.
@@aaronmedeiros9088 Totally hear ya on all those points. So I’ll leave ya with two thoughts to ponder over.
The first one is just player development in general. I think you might be confusing my idea of sending a message. The idea with that is to set a standard for the organization over time. Start making winning oriented moves consistently until it becomes the standard. This move alone doesn’t get it done but it sends the signal to listen up. It’s something these smaller market/less desirable locations have to do to find success in today’s league. Something I am currently involved with as well actually 👀. If ya just keep stockpiling high lottery picks ya waste the talent you already have on the court. Eventually you gotta win some games or you’ll go nowhere.
The second thing is player evaluation. So one of the things I teach younger scouts/consult on for teams is asking questions. Coaches, players, commenters lol, all like to say “This guy does this or that.” But the why is often left out. Why does BI have the ball so much, why doesn’t he take more 3s, why is he settling for xyz shot? Those are things I actually have on my official assessments of him for the team I work for. If you want to maybe take a crack at those! Food for thought and happy to walk through em.
He lost me with Jonas contract
Didn’t like the reasoning behind it? Also that was pretty late in the video so I’ll consider that a solid retention rate haha.
At this point I just want Asur Thompson to start at PG while Cade goes to SF instead..oh and change the coach to Silas Stephens
In F.A. we could shoot for Kuzma and/or Bridges of Charlotte Hornets as well. Duren must be #1option.
@@jamelwilliams808 Interesting. Why don’t you like Cade running point?
@@jamelwilliams808asuar need to work on handling think pf his best spot and rajon rondo as hc
Trade Stewart n duren
Damn why Duren?
These are garbage moves🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
Can you be more specific? Happy to hear ya thoughts!
@@_AVC_ Ingram is alright but I’m not giving up a boat load for a player that his team will most likely give up for nothing because they can’t afford him, and I just didn’t care for none of the free agent signings besides Tech and Nwora. I would have added Naji Marshal and Drummond with Tech & Nwora
@@TeamSavant234 Not a fan of Fonteccio or Smith?