Armies and Tactics: Ancient Greek Navies
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- Our Armies and Tactics series continues and in this edition we will talk about the Ancient Greek Navies, with a focus on Athens and Sparta during the Peloponnesian Wars. Which ships were used, what were the tactics, who financed the fleets and manned them - you will learn about all that and more in this video
A very talented animator/illustrator Benjin Pratt created most of the animations used in this video, while the research was done by an aspiring historian Andreas Kokkinoftas.
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Hey, guys, give some love to the new team member - Benjin. He helped us with this video despite going through a rough patch, and we hope that you will enjoy his work.
Glad I could help - doing that Trireme digital painting and those motion graphics was really fun work :)
Outstanding work Benjin. Keep it up!
Great to see my buddy Benjin is working with us !! So happy for him
Benjin brilliant work man
Aqua Fyre me too
Books are not always good
RAMMING SPEED!!!
OARS!
Ready for impact
Boomboomboomboomboomboom....
THERE’S SALVAGE. (In the middle of battle)
GET THAT SAIL UO!
Do Persian naval and land tactics next. We'd like to see why they lost to the Greeks and do a side by side comparison.
Yes, it is on the list!
Nice! Love your channel by the way bro. Hope you grow further.
Good suggestion!
Which period are you referring to?
2 main reasons! 1. They were a multiethnic army invading Greece, so they were not so eager to put their life on the line, 2. Greek infantry was much heavier equipped with bronze armor and the Persians wore no armor at all (as far as I can recall from paintings and stuff).
3:42 Someone is deciding either to heroically swim towards an oncoming ram, or he's deserting and making a break for it.
Hadrian Augustus ah yes total war logic
He was just hot
@@matthiuskoenig3378 yep, we just didn't have time to see it
Was lured by an enemy mermaid
The Greeks had "experienced semen".
This..this is the stuff I like
Our goal is to create more and more videos for you guys. :-)
@@KingsandGenerals I'm honestly stunned that you don't have any major competition from big budget TV studios.
To think I could find exactly my entertainment niche, to this degree of quality, on CZcams and only CZcams just floors me lol.
Hi guys, hi Benjin!, this series is becoming my favorite alongside the other of the battles. This series is very well made, 100/10 perfection as usual. I expect nothing less than that tbh from you. I like the depictions of the Trireim, as well as the mention of the Bririem, Thucydidies, Themisticlies and the Pentecounter (takes me back to Age of Empires 1).
Boy, you outdid your selves. I love how you mentioned that the oarsmen were not slaves and armed (I always thought they were unarmed and that all 3 were equally respected, never knew that, thanks Xenophones!!!) I also appreciated that you mentioned the names of, the details and the sources of everything you mentioned!!!!!!
Loved the mention of the Battle of Salamis as well as the introduction of naval artillery and improving tactics, it underlines that they had very intricate tactics at the time!
I really loved the graphics shown. Gotta start a Rome 2 campaign as the Greeks now, hahaha. - Truly a jaw dropping video. Keep it up!
Thank you for watching :)
#borg
"Great Nation of the Sea / ΜΕΓΑ ΤΟ ΤΗΣ ΘΑΛΑΣΣΗΣ ΚΡΑΤΟΣ" by Pericles the Athenian
The ships saved the Greeks numerous times in the Past in different Eras, from the classical ancient Greek Era, to Byzantine Era and to the Greek war of independence in 1821. In Balkans wars, in WW1 and WW2 etc
@@matthiuskoenig3378 nope mate they were greek romans
You are an utter ignorant: Greece was occupied by the Ottomans well up to WW1 and conquered by the Germans in WW2 there has never been a greek fleet worth mentioning! And the Byzantine era used roman ships!
@Fotis Fokas Μπραβο σας κυριε Φωκα για τις γνωσεις σας. Οφειλω να πω πως απολαυσα την απαντηση σας στον "απο πανω" ανιστορητο κυριο με το περισσιο τουπε. Αιντε, χορτασε και η ψειρα και βγηκε στο γυακα. Για να μην πω τιποτε αλλο.
How did the marines and hoplites differ since they are listed separately?
Somewhat lighter equipment.
The hoplites had throwing spears and the marines had melee weapons and heavier armor. Distance vs. Close quarters combat. The marines were the first line of entry, the hoplite second.
Since i began my history studies at college i have been practically addicted to the channel. Really love your work, great job!
Glad to hear that! What are you studying?
Kings and Generals last term I did Ancient Greece and Rome and currently I’m busy with the period of the conquistadors and the aftermath of the Middle Ages.
Great! By the way, we are always happy to collaborate with the aspiring historians. If you are interested, send us an e-mail: info@kingsandgenerals.net
Super informative. I'm anticipating seeing the naval arms race of the Hellenistic period. Those ships were stupid big, like ancient dreadnoughts.
Mithridates Thank you! Indeed those ships where monsters!
There will much more in this series. :-)
Well done again, excellent work... P.S. Indeed, Athens did not have a permanent taxation system. The wealthy citizens were expected to give more than the others, and every wealthy citizen did not saw it as burden, but as honour...
Weren't the citizens tax exempt, except for the choregiai (χορηγίαι)?
aantony2001 yeap
V. Athanasiou I think I saw you on the great war channel too
buster117 You did!
If only we had that attitude today...
Anyone else kinda wanna play TWR2 again because of this channel? Seriously great video, you guys cover things that other channel don't seem to care. Also, that map at 9:14 struck my curiosity, now I wanna know the histories about Emporion, Massalia and those who were in the south of italy before the romans!
This one of most anticipated series to me, keep the amazing work,
This channel is indescribably good; ITS JUST BLOODY FANTASTIC
Thank you very much! :-)
Nice work and very extensive research on Greek history. We thank you!!!
There will be more episodes!
Thanks for the portuguese subtitles,you guys make a very good job,this is the best channel about battles and military things
Love these videos on the ancient greek forces! Keep 'em coming!
More on the way. :-)
I loved how informative this video was. It was great to watch. My compliments to those who made this video a reality.
I'm loving this series, can't really wait for more!
Thank you for watching :)
Ancient Greek Marines Corp FTW!
Someone better quickly figure out the Greek variant of the Latin "semper fidelis". Lol. Greek fans of the channel, speak up! Or forever hold your pax/pacem.
Eric Connor
A translation would be "πάντα πιστός"(always loyal). But we don't use it.
What is used by the Greek marines is "ΘΑΡΣΕΙΝ ΧΡΗ". It means "have courage" or "you have to have courage". It's part of what godess Athena said, through Ulesses, to the Acheans that wanted to leave from Troy and go home. After giving them courage and building the Trojan Horse, they conquered Troy.
Drokk yeah!
ΗΡΩΗΚΩΣ ΖΕΙΝ ΚΑΙ ΤΕΘΝΑΝΑΙ (eeROHeeKOSS zeen //Z like in Zelda// kae taethnaahnae - live heroic die heroic) Ancient Greeks had rocking mottoes before having rocking mottoes was cool :P Free men do not need to dogmatize their loyalty in order to ensure it to a superior ruler/form of government etc, its entrusted that they are loyal to each other in order for them to remain free since a chain is as strong as its weakest link so better those links try to be heroic than anything else :P.
I love this video! Good work! My favourite so far.
btw I am ashamed to say I had forgotten about the one flaw of the ship, until you brought it back at the end of the video! Nice, now that's what I call engaging and educational.
Thank you very much! :-)
That was one of the best videos I have ever seen!
Thank you so much.
i am greek. thank you for this video, you inform us and also make us a little proud i must admit
Thanks for watching!
Excellent work. Well researched.
Thank you for watching :)
Very nice video!hope you do a Peloponnesian war one
Great and very informative video. Big thump up to Benjin
Your videos are awesome!And Total War series really glorifies details of these videos!!
Thank you very much!
You are the best CZcamsr who makes this kind of videos, I love them!!
Happy to hear that. :-)
The crews would be 200 men, with 170 rowers and 30 others. 16 marines, and 13 hyperesiai along with the trierarch. I think you double-counted some of these members since 4 marines would be used as archers, and two of them would be stationed alongside the trierarch as a bodyguard.
Like always, stellar content!
This is by far the best history channel out there.
amazing camerawork and graphics on this one
Thank you, good sir!
Congrats, good video. Long long time ago I had a book called Ancient Mariners by Lionel Casson. I highly recommend it for the people who want to read on this subject. This book goes hand to hand so nicely with Beneath the Seven Seas by George Bass... These were truly great reads...
Awesome video. More discussion of naval warfare please!!! Any era will do.
Thank you for watching :)
a great way to start the morning - with Kings and Generals 💥
This is becoming my favourite youtube channel!
Awesome video, great job.
I can't wait for the next video!
Thank you for watching :)
Finally Greetings from Armenia
Hello there.
STORM LORD Only with Byzantine empire.Byzantine empire was a Greek and some of its rulers had Armenian background.
I don’t know if Armenians learning about that in their schools but first country in the world who recognised Armenia as an independent country was Turkey after collapse of the Soviet Union.
STORM LORD Lol no my friend Byzantine empire have nothing with Turkey, we consider Ottoman Empire as old Turkey.
PLEASE MAKE A VIDEOSABOUT HOW THEY MADE THEIR SHIPS
At 3:00, your animation shows the rowers facing FORWARDS. In any rowed vessel, the rowers face the stern.
Once again good work.
Awesome video, thanks
Walking near Acropolis and read the Evacuation order of city and realise that is thousands years ago made me very touched .
can u please do all the talking, this is the only video i look forward to after a long day. and thanks such an awesome and amazing video, welcome benji and thanks to the rest.
Thank you very much!
Another great video!
Thank you! :-)
This is amazing!
Thank you for watching :)
I always do
Great Video!
Thank you! :-)
Stanisław Augustus II hi sir 😅😅😅
Yes, we will cover the Roman armies.
Umar Ansari Hey. I remember ur name.
How did you get this emoji?
beautiful video
Eventually it was the navy which was cause of the success of Mighty British, Spanish and Portuguese empire
Mighty Portuguese lol
And the USA in the last 70 years
The Dutch also
The Portuguese are probably 1 of the greatest sailing nations that have ever been. Their skills are legendary, and their marks upon history cannot be doubted. I'm am English, but we're are taught that we owe a great deal to the Portuguese navy. Our longest, and most respected allies.
Ooshgaar beat sailors of all time
Keep up the great work!!!! Make more videos about byzantine battles if you can.
Thank you for watching :) We will.
More accurated work, very well done!
Great video!! I wonder why they didn't use more archer/ranged weapons on their ships
The main purpose was to ram the enemy ship, board it and kill everybody on it :)
amazing vid dude
Thank you!
FOR HELAS!!
@@sonam7202 I thought your country is named debt
#LetsFight
Very interesting.
great video thanks.
Thank you for watching :)
I love it. Thank you bro
Thank you for watching :)
Kings and Generals do you happen to have any relating to the Egyptians that Im missing?
I love this series
Fantastic video again, friends.
I have a bit of a personal question I was hoping you'd be able to answer for me, as someone who has watched your channel since it was in it's infancy to now hitting almost 200k subs (congrats btw), and as someone who has recently also decided to create their own content; what advice would you give to a small channel in regards to getting their own channel noticed?
I mean, I know consistently fantastic content is obviously why you guys are where you are today, but back in the 'N&P/10 facts' era of the channel especially, what did you do/or where did you promote yourselves to get those first 1'000 subs/initial views? As I am discovering simply putting a video online is not enough to keep people engaged or recruit fans. I remember when you had the original narrator, and hadn't quite evolved into the style you are today, so I feel you guys are a great team to ask about this question as you guys have had a fantastic evolution over the last 18 months - got any tips or tricks you'd be happy to share?
All the best, and as always, looking forward to whatever is next!
Thank you very much for your kind words! We started as a let's play channel and got to 1-2k through playing strategy games. The next step we made a few game theory videos and that pushed us to 5k. Sometimes it is about luck and perseverance.
Not a problem, thanks for the content.
Perseverance it is then, thanks for the advice!
Excellent as always. Do a video on admiral yi :)
Great work!
Great video
Thank you!
Great content like always! I don't know if it's been asked already, but will any Nader Shah videos be done in the future?
Hey, thanks! Yes, probably as a tie-in to the Ottoman series, as a mini-series on his campaigns.
Excellent! Always love your videos, very well done and informative. Helps with my personal studies into battle tactics.
Thank you, good sir! :-)
Love your videos
Thank you! :-)
Good job with the details
Oooooh I like to see more of this!
Good job keep it up
Thanks, we will!
Hail Poseidon ready you're self for glory
I'm proud to see this comment. Mad respect Gum
Best Historian
And please make a series on Attila's Wars also.
Ammar Habib Thank you very much
You guys are the best :)
Videos with Greek armies are the best!!🙂
It will not remain with Greek armies only :) lots of stuff to cover.
Thank you again kind sirs!
Thank you for watching :)
the new intro is awesome!!!
Thanks! :-)
Hey there, great video off course, like to point out some geohistoric inconsistencies.thessalonica wasn’t a city back then it was founded at Hellenistic times.thermopoly wasn’t a city but a small region.patras wasn’t a city either but Rio nearby at the closest spot to the other side of Corinthian gulf.
Thank you very much!
Kings and Generals keep them coming you guys are great!
Are you planning to cover the campaing of Caesar in Gaul in the future ? Thanks in advance and keep up the great work..
Thanks! Yes, it will happen!
@@KingsandGenerals Awesome cant wait and thanks for the answer..
Found a new channel to binge.
Welcome aboard! :-)
Nice video guys , and the intro is niceeee!!😂😁✋✌✌
Nice video. In listing the different crew members though, you missed out one - the flute player.
Thank you!
Naval operations in the Med were influenced by Teredo. It's the reason the ships both stayed close to shore and needed to be light enough to portage up the beach. The worms can start to damage the hull in as little as 12 hours. Until the 18th century the only way to prevent this damage was to remove the vessel from the water and let it completely dry.
I really like this kind of videos (not because greek history is so exciting) and the intro is epic :-D
Thank you! :-) We are planning to cover as many armies as possible. :-)
Kings and Generals niiiiiiiiiiice :-)
I just can't decide who is more badass, classic hoplites or winged hussars... Awesome video!
Thank you for watching :)
I am greek but I rly love winged hussars they were almost divine.
Greattt vid!! 😀
Thank you for watching :)
Great video! In the rowing animation the rowers are facing the wrong way and pushing instead of pulling their oars, which wouldn’t work.
Question: At what time did Greek Fire become Important in Greek Sea Warfare? Bronze handpumps to deliver this up to 10 Meters away have been found and are in Museums, the old estimate was after Athens war with Persia and before Alexander. Accounts of the time say Greek Fire would burst into Flame on contact with water or a Human body which is mostly water, while how it was made is lost, probably a mixture of Nappa and certain chemicals, some of which react with water by igniting into Flames. Thanks!
very good work boys
Thank you for watching :)
damn, this was good
Thank you for watching :)
Congratulation 200000 subs
Thank you very much! :-)
What was the life cycle of these boats? Were they more purpose built for a season or were these used and maintained for years/decades? Have any examples survived somehow like some of the later Roman vessels did?
I think that there are some museums in Greece and Italy with smaller boats. If cared, the wood could have survived for decades/centuries.
Kings and Generals the greek navy has one trireme called Olympias
Thank you
Now this is the best way to start the day.
August Watring in India it 6:30 pm whenever they upload
Patrons have early access :)
Kings and Generals that they do but alas I have no money to give. Maybe once I have a steady job and not dumping money into getting my car running I'll throw some dosh your way. I love the content you guys put out, I'm just poor as hell. 😂
Nice! Do Age of Sail naval warfare pls
Awesome video! What program did you used to create the marines, zeugitai etc?
After Effects mainly.
can you make a video on how armies were supplied food and other things while at war?
I think the Sicilian expedition deserves its own video.
These guys were all guts and balls back then. Death was almost always present. Shot at, stabbed, drowning...
What a hectic life
couldn't help but notice the rowing animation has the rower pushing the oar instead of pulling, was that just as over sight or did they really row oars that way?
Themistocles is one of my favorite historical figures.
@DeSPoTNemanjaS That's a good question. I honestly don't know. A few other favorites are Marcus Aurelius and Diocletian.
6:18 I was also an experienced seamen, I had a huge competition and still won... Hehe
Small quibble: the ancient Greek historian Thucydides, while having a "c" pronounced as an "s" in the modern Anglophone rendering of his name, would have had his name pronounced as something closer to "thou-kid-ae-dees" in his own day. Anyways, great video! Kudos to your graphic artists, they're quite professional, and the historical information presented is accurate enough. The music is also enjoyable. All around a great video! It's about time we got a decent video about ancient Greek navies on CZcams.
Thank you very much! We are planning to release more videos in this vein, so, naturally, they will be better. :-)