The Psychology of Parenting: Therapist Reacts to King Viserys- House of the Dragon
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What sort of insights can Psychotherapist Georgia Dow take from King Viserys and how he deals with his teenage daughter Rhaenyra from a fatherly standpoint. Watch now and see if you agree with her assessment from these characters from "House of the Dragon!"
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Viserys has this bad habit of hiding behind Otto and allowing him to dominate the council, whenever someone brings up a topic the king doesn't like, he always backs down and allows Otto to take control, which empowers Otto. We see it in episode 1 when Coryls brings his concerns about the pirates, and we see it here when Rhaenyra offers a solution to the problem, both times Viserys backs down and goes quiet, giving way to Otto who uses the king's weakness to dismiss them. This is exactly what Daemon tried to warn Viserys about in the previous episode. This all stems from how Viserys was raised, he was the son of a second son, he was never raised to be king, and it shows, over a decade into his rule and he still relies on his advisors for all major decisions that he should be taking the lead on, unless it is something that enrages him, like what Daemon does to provoke him. This avoidant personality seeps into his personal life as stated in the video, he has spent six months avoiding talking seriously with Rhaenyra.
Like Biden and Manchin.
Your analysis of Viserys just made me kinda hate him a bit lol... its clear who the enemy is now 2 epis in! That damn otto, someone get him!
I notice that Viserys is quite a bit like King Aenys, son of Aegon the Conqueror, in that he was weak and permissive most of the time, but stubborn when he had an idea he liked. Neither Viserys nor Aenys were very aggressive and always thought that problems could be solved through conversation or deliberation.. When Lords and the Faith began rebelling against him, Aenys was surprised that they didn’t come to him with their concerns and Viserys merely sent envoys to the free cities.
Viserys literally missed all the opportunities Rhaenyra gave him to connect with her like Neo dodging all the bullets in slow motion lol. And hi to the doggie!
Great comparison, I really wanted to like him, but he is just so utterly incompetent and selfsabotaging. . . I really do not know how to feel about him. . .
Puppy says Hello =))
"you are young, you will learn" procides to teach her nothing at all and keep her from learning. . .
I had a supervisor like that.
King Viserys told Rhaenyra that "He" Ser Criston Cole would make a great knight of the Kingsguard. He is complementing her choice, but he should have said that she was smart for choosing him.
this seems like kind of a reach. saying that the thing you chose is good adds up to the same as saying that your choice was good in my book
Agreed, he tried to do a reverse of what he did in Small Council. Instead of completely dismissing her ideas he said "You are so correct that it's just fact to me". It ended up being fumbled by the follow-ups but a KING just taking the input as fact on their personal guards without second thought is pretty big.
@@zoid_on_youtube it's just the way it came out, it sounded like he didn't care much
10:15 She knew her father was going to be angry with her before she walked in the room and would of prepared her own reactions before entering. All of us when we were young, knew when we were going to get a talking from our parents and we always tried to prepare ourselves for that ahead of time.
Nicely Said Misty. And Rheanyra was very good at figuring out how to handle it.
I think culturally speaking, daughters were mostly there to just marry off for alliances and I don't think Viserys ever really gave her that much thought or consideration at all for her entire life.
He named her heir mostly to spite his brother and prevent him from becoming King, but he still doesn't know what to do with his own daughter or know how to speak with her or deal with her.
She was just a rather lackadaisical person who flitted about the Red Keep like a spoiled child, basically doing whatever she wanted as long as she didn't cause any disruption to "important" business, and nothing was ever expected of her so she never really strove to become anything else. But once she was named heir, she has been stepping up and changing her ways. She wants more responsibility, she wants to be involved, she wants to prepare for this role but her father didn't change at all. He still sees her the same way he always has, like she's just this "thing" that hovers around the keep and not to be given too much mind.
If she had been a son, I fully believe Viserys would've been 100% more invested. I think he would be taking the boy under his wing, teaching him how to rule, how to do all these things, and excited to do so. But with his daughter, he just doesn't put in the effort. It's like he expects her to just somehow absorb and "learn" all this stuff somehow without being taught. He keeps saying shes so young and she will learn later, but how is she going to learn if he doesn't teach her and is constantly shooing her away? He would've treated a son very differently I think. I believe most kings would've been THRILLED at the idea of their son actually taking an interest in the nitty gritty of ruling and wanting to learn the realities of it and political complexities rather than just abusing their position for their own amusement as so many often did. But because she's a girl... He just can't and won't see her that way.
I think her position as cup bearer at small council meetings shows this very, very well. When she was just "a girl", it didn't matter that she was the cup bearer. No one gave it any thought or cared, not even her. Nothing wrong with it. But when she became heir, she should not still be in there serving the lords she is supposed to rule one day and pouring drinks for them. They need to start seeing her as a ruler as well, not "a girl" or a cup bearer, but as a future ruling queen.
Viserys could've made this whole situation work if he actually cared enough to put in the work, but he just doesn't. He is in grief, but I can't help but wonder how much of that grief is truly for his wife and how much is for the fact he thinks he lost his chance for a "proper" heir. I'm sure both aspects play a role.
And Otto Hightower is perfectly content to continue to dismiss and demean the princess to make her look weak and unacceptable rather than being a loyal and true servant of the crown because his aspirations are to marry his daughter to the king, then produce an heir that will be his grandchild. That is what he wants. He will never support or help Rhaenyra. The only reason he pushed for her to become heir over Daemon was specifically because her hold on that station would be tenuous without a lot of effort and he knew neither he nor viserys would put that effort in. It leaves her in a weak position without support. He will continue to undermine her where ever he can while he keeps pushing his daughter to have kids with the king and you can rest assured if she has a boy, Otto is going to immediately say HE should be the heir, not this little girl that no one respects.
Daemon was right, Otto isn't a loyal or faithful hand, hes a power hungry schemer like the rest of them. Daemon is abrasive and rough, but he would've made a better hand than Otto Hightower. I think having that position also would've calmed him down a bit because most of his "acting out" is because he resents the fact this schemer has the highest seat in the kingdom, other than the king, rather than family who would actually serve their family's interests. I think if he had that position, he would do a much better job than Otto.
Daemon may not always act in the best interest of the king, but at least he would act in the best interest of the family. Otto does neither of those things.
Very well said! You're right about how much effort Viserys puts into connecting with and teaching his daughter. It would be entirely different with a son. And keeping Rhaenerya as a cup bearer is insulting, now that she is named heir. I thought about that a lot when I first saw that episode. And Otto just wants a royal grandson - he doesn't even care about or connect with his own daughter. GOT and HOTD show how difficult and unfair it was for women, and I relate so much to Rhaenerya even today.
@@annarobertson7209 Cup bearer isn’t an insult historically. It’s in fact, a very honorable position and the one the crown prince would have had. It’s how children learn to lead the council - the insult actually was sending Rhaenyra away.
I totatlly agree with you. Viserys resented for so long not having a male heir to succeed him in the throne and we all know he only named Rhaenyra as his heir to prevent Daemon to inherit the throne and also because he came to think that he would never have a male heir. But there's one thing I still don't get about Viserys's actitude towards, not only Rhaenyra, but all of his children. He would have preferred that Rhaenyra was a boy, he always wanted a male heir, but when he finally had not only one but three (Aegon, Aemond and Daeron) he was not especially close and loving to any of them as he was to Rhaenyra and not only that, he also kept her as his heir even when everyone was expecting him to name Aegon instead. We can tell that in spite of everything, Viserys loved her eldest daughter and that she is also her favorite but nonetheless he still treats her many times like some menchandise he can use to make alliences with the most powerful families in the kingdom than his heir. He never gave her the enough support and independence in the court and in the cauncil that she deserve as his heir. We can tell that the King loves her more than the rest of his children but still he doesn't seem to deem her to be a appropiate and suitable heir to the throne. When, during the celebration of Aegon's second nameday, Rhaenyra confronted her father about why he still insists in keeping her as his heir even when he already has a son and when is clear that the lords prefer a man in the throne than a woman, Viserys replies that, she is the one that have to succeed him as Queen of the Seven Kingdoms, because through her line the promised Prince of Aegon the Conqueror's prophecy will be born. This information puts a lot of things into perspective for Rhaenyra, because she realizes that her father didn't name her his heir just on a whim or as a last resort, but because he strongly believes that she is the one that Will put Aegon's prophecy in the works. However, he never really prepared her for her future role as a queen, he kept treating her pretty much as if she were only a naive and gullible little girl that doesn't know anything about the world when Rhaenyra proved to be more clever and inteligent than anyone expected her to be. Rhaenyra had a lot of potential to exploit but her father never took avantage of that and instead, he let Otto dismiss her and disauthorize her whenever he wanted, which weakened Rhaenyra's position not only with her family but also at court
This is one of the very very few channels where I hit "like" without even starting the video 😇
I see a father and a daughter that love each other but dont have a clue on how to communicate. And its sad. Though the scene with them at dinner with the awkard silence and the crickets in the background was hilarious
When someone is sharing something, you wanna think why, not what
That is such great advise
welcome
I find these videos so Incredibly fascinating, seeing how fictional characters are psychologically analysed (as much as is possible) and how we can learn from fictional mistakes.
One of things I really like about Alicent and the King’s discussions. Because you see how weak-minded he is. Like during the scene where he is receiving a gift from Ali he is himself, and incredibly grateful for her thoughtfulness. But the minute someone knocks on his door-he hides the gift, sits a bit taller, and deepens his tone to fit the image of a king. He was not meant to be a King he never had what it took, and has the vessels not been sexist. The Queen who never was would’ve been a supreme choice, because she has what it takes. Plus the incest thing would’ve been lessened BECAUSE she is married to someone not closely related to her.
Just found your channel and I’m loving your takes! You’re pointing out a lot of things I did, so I think we’re seeing this show in similar ways. Everything you said about Rhaenyra and Viserys is spot on. He should be getting the high lords used to listening to hear, not dismissing her.
Awesome! Thank you!
WHOA! Going through these old videos and didn't expect to find David Lightbringer in the comments! Love your stuff!
The videos make me see how the writing and acting are just so good
I don't really like or trust Otto, but he did say one thing I absolutely agree with. Viserys' position really isn't an enviable one 😟
Even though Otto was speaking empathetically, and from shared personal trauma, you can tell his goal is still to manipulate. I worry about their daughters more than anything else.
Otto is this time's Lord Baelish. Just like Daemon is a more caring (towards his family) Lord Tywin.
The thing is that je does envy it, or else he wouldn't be trying to make hos grandchild the king
I love how much effort you put into these videos!
Right? Me too
I think Viserys is in general a good person and a good father. He truly loves Rhaenyra and cares for her. Unfortunately he's also a bad politician. Honestly while watching the first two episodes I felt like he was out of place in the show. Not because of the acting (the actor is great) it's just that his character truly was better suited to be a simple family man, not a king.
They say that we are all the average of the five people we spend the most time with. I would argue that one should count our pets in that five. The more little friends the better. Or in Ryaenyra's case a really big friend.
I'm not sure why they changed this in the show tbh, Rhaenyra is very much respected at court and at the council except by one person. The entire realm has sworn their oaths of loyalty to Rhaenyra already, in the show and book, and it is accepted that she is the heir to the throne so I'm not sure why, in the show, they're being weird about it. Also they aged Alicent down ALOT and made her friends with Rhaenyra which is, an odd decision. In the book Viserys and Alicent love each other and that's why he marry's her, but the show makes it seem like Viserys is marrying her at another tempt to try for a male heir which is going to be weird when the ball really gets rolling in later episodes/seasons.
Another weird thing is them thinking the position of cupbearer is an insult, when that would be the position a crowned prince would have too. Idk, just odd.
The wicked stepmother thing is uninteresting, so I understand why they changed that part. It makes Allicent a better foil.
As far as the disfavor goes, they’re likely trying to set precedent for what happens during Rhaenyra’s half-year reign.
Beautiful cosplay and cute dog. Love your analysis as always.
"You'll learn" he says, then proceeds to not teach. smh
My exact same thought
Very well said. you will learn just not from me
Loved this video! Hopefully you dissect more Rhaenyra scenes in the future :D I love that you give insights but in a way that is easy to understand
Best ones for psychoanalysis are game of thrones characters
Cersei being a narcissist
Littlefinger(man that will be good)
Arya!! Hound Daenerys Tywin and Tyrion
Please make a GOT video❤️
And Stannis! Maaan i imagine psychoanalysis on him
And theon’s trauma after ramsey
That dinner scene was incredibly difficult to watch, it was so awkward.
Loved it 💜
I love your analysis and your videos are very good.
I've been watching your videos for the last two days and I just love the subtle cosplays you do :D
Glad you like them!
Great analysis of these characters.
You should do a breakdown on Top Gun: Maverick particularly the characters of Maverick, Rooster and Iceman.
I would love to see this breakdown. The movie was soooooo good!
Could you do another video on Solider Boy and his self hatred? Like when he calls Homelander a disappointment and reflects on his father with butcher?
NEW PLAN: When I get children/teenagers, I'll just send them to Georgia to talk to! Problem solved. Seeing your puppy immediately reduces my anxiety. And speaking of seeing, I almost missed this...and the last one...because the thumbnails deprived us of your smiling face! Ever since I was little my Dad and Mom discussed things with me like my opinion mattered and I mattered. My grandparents did that too. As well as uncles and aunts. So I was quite surprised to discover that was not always the experience with other people. But I also realized at a young age that many other people were dismissive of me because of my aboriginal blood. Even...or rather...especially...when I was right. Me being "right" was not what you would call well-received.
the traits that viserys loves about daemon are the same things he loves about rheanyra. i wonder if he enjoys these traits because as king these are behaviors and attitudes that he cannot allow himself to indulge in himself. he over encourages the “chaotic” and adventurous “targaryen” traits.
Hi georgia, love your videos. Could you please also talk about mom issues in a video?
Agree, a mother's presence and absence seem to affect a lot of the characters in HoT D and also GoT. Alicent and Rhaenys are mourning the death of their moms which influence their behavior towards their family members
I think that maybe war would have been prevented if members of the Dragon family had you giving them some therapy :D Viserys totally failes to communicate with his daughter
Love your content so much. Can't wait to see any possible takes from the Rings of Power too :)
i just may
I love your giggles Georgia😍🤣❤️❤️❤️
heheh thanks = )
Loving the house of the dragon content. Definitely some familial issues to work out in the series.
How would a therapist deal with the kings parents were brother and sister.
Georgia: Would you pls do a video on Rings of Power, the scenes between Elrond and Prince Durin? I loved watching these two old friends patch up their hurt feelings.
I did just that scene actually !! How did you know =)) it will be out in a a week or two its already filmed
Love these analyses! Would love to see you break down HBO's Succession. All the characters in that show could really use some therapy lol
that is a great show
I’m glad that she mentioned if Viserys was a stronger leader, because that is literally what led to this civil war. Viserys was not a strong leader either as a King or as the head of his household and it showed.
House of the dragon is on a very good path
Thanks for your reactions…many poignant thoughts. Blessings 👍🏻
Thank you too
Your videos are great. Please try to react on She ra and the princesses of power. There is so much to discuss on this show....
Ahhhh fur baby!!
Love your videos and analysis but you totally misheard what Viserys said to his daughter . (6'34) "HE will make a fine Knight for the Kings guard" he wasn't demoting her, that would make no sense...he was praising her choice.
Oh my goodness !
a bit of an off-topic - I do not recall you saying the name of your adorable Shih Tzu (unless they are a Lhasa Apso or another breed I do not know much about). It is not important or even a real oversight, I am just curious, so if they didn't give you consent to introduce them, that is acceptable. 🙂
Obviously she’s not getting the approval she needs from her father, so as most girls do, she will look for it in other men…and most of the times it’s some very bad men.
Still a better leader than Aerys,Robert,Joffrey,Tommen,Cersei, and Final Season Daenerys. First leader who chose a woman as heir and defended his decision. Even insisted than the next first born "regardless of gender" must be heir.
This is why HOT-D better than Rings of Power
Hi Georgia can you maybe help me with something? My bf has a little Probleme and i wanted to ask if you could help maybe
You can send me an email if you want
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day 2 asking for a gurren lagann reaction
I kind of disagree with the take on Viserys at dinner AT FIRST. When his daughter brought up an idea in small council, he essentially throws her out to another task and dismisses her input. When she says essentially:
"I questioned them and found only one acceptable in my opinion"
His response isn't "oh, we can review it" or "do you think it's the best choice?" which would be a step better than small council but still like "hmmm, idk".
His response is: "Then it shall be so because you are automatically correct on this."
It's a massive sign of respect in my opinion and a complete reversal, he realized he was not being a good father before, he completely abdicates to her opinion as being the best opinion by matter of fact on this, "you said it, that means it's best." And while at first she was assigned it because they wanted to remove her from the room on to another task... these are their PERSONAL GUARDS, any king that takes choosing them lightly is a short lived king.
he fumbles the rest of the conversation though, so... he tried?
He is not intelligent and wise enough to be King