Glad you're all finding this video useful! Quick note: We mainly focus on CAN BUS in this video but there are a number of network technologies other than CAN BUS that manufacturers have used. Some include FlexRay, LIN, heck GM was using J1850 VPW back in the C5 corvette. Still, you'd still need to build a translator from A to B, even if they use a different network technology.
seeing haltech gave me a warm and fuzzy feeling. as an aussie seeing haltech stuff used makes me happy because down here they are the goto for any engine swap or just tuning because modern ecus are like apple devices.
Chrysler had CCD or Chrysler Collision Detection. Confusing name, but it actually refers to the communication network and code to transmit messages without them colliding and garbling data.
You might be my favorite automotive youtuber ever. I am so sick, of seeing people talk about "ls swapping" everything, and never talking about having basic functions like this working again. Just get rid of power steering, ac, a functional gauge cluster, and throw in something aftermarket for rpms and call it a build. drives me nuts, contrary to common car guy belief, I dont actually want to drive a frame with an engine in it, I want to drive a car
Hahaha the opening of your video is the exact situation with our rotary swapped BRZ, Rotaru. Now, I did know this going into the project, but we accepted that not everything would work at first. We switched to a Link ECU from the ancient Apexi and it can interface with the CAN bus network. We knew Link had developed a BRZ stand alone, so we figured that would make life easy with the CAN decoding and transmitting. We didn't anticipate a few difficulties such as one out of two CAN networks being exposed. Basically we were already using one CAN connection for our CAN Lambda and CAN gauge, and you can't put the custom CAN and the OEM CAN on the same network. Also, despite Link now having all of the BRZ/86 CAN data available thanks to the plug in, it's not all publicly displayed since it's just used internally on a stock engine BRZ. This won't be a problem for many, but since we wanted to use the stock BRZ pedal for a DBW install, we were hoping to sniff accelerator pedal position data from the CAN network. We could overcome all of those issues with manual message reception instead of with the OEM CAN emulation, but then we'd need a hybrid CAN network. Like you talked about, you can define everything custom as long as you have message syntax. However, when we had the BRZ and aftermarket accessories on the same network, it seemed to cause some collision issues. So, we are adding a translator just to make our life simpler, though it could be fully done on the Link with a bit of board wiring and finding all of the correct CAN message syntax. Basically, we'll feed the translator RPM from the ECU and a few other basic signals to the translator and in turn we'll have a working dash, power steering, push to start, and more. We did find a workaround since the start of the swap where plugging in an OBD reader and turning the car on with a certain procedure enables most of the systems including power steering, but it's less than ideal. Also annoying to have to start the car with a switch and a big button, as much fun as the Clout Switch and Brap Brap Button are. Yes, let's definitely appreciate the people who take time to figure out all the CAN message info and share it publicly. A lot of people figure it out and keep it private either to have secret sauce or for profit. I'm not saying nobody deserves profit for their work, just sucks the car companies don't give it to us. Like you said, right to repair. One of the BRZ CAN experts is actually from Ukraine and has been participating in the war since it began. I messaged him on Facebook and luckily he is alright last I checked. Just wild how the car community can be linked like that. I hope he can go back to working on cars soon instead of fighting off an invasion. Lastly, I too love 80s/90s cars for simplicity, but obviously have to adapt. CAN is complex, but sharing information like this and everyone working together will only make it easier to deal with over time. There are certainly advantages along with the complexity. Let's keep making sick cars. Awesome video! Definitely going to help a lot of people understand. Subbed with the bell on.
Legendary comment tbh, and mirrors many of my own experiences. A rotary swapped BRZ sounds like a ton of fun! Been meaning to get my hands on a rotary myself but haven't found the time or money to do so just yet. If you happen to have the CAN message definition and are able to share (and haven't already), that'd be stellar! Thanks!
thank you for this!!!! I am about to start a pretty crazy swap project. I'm going stand-alone (haltech or link - not sure yet) but the car is vintage and want to use the factory interior switches from the 70's, use modern gauges with custom printed faces that mimic the originals. Your other videos are great too!
CAN was one thing then I learned about the existence of LIN, then working for Rover I heard of FlexRay; things are gonna get complicated. freaking power seats requiring a LIN wave form from the switch pack. Had an over head light that would come on by it self and was advised to send the LIN wave form. They don't even seem to know what their things are doing anymore.
7:56 I had to swap out my ECU for my '06 silverado bc it fried, but the one I got from the junkyard did not have any issues with the VATS it fired right up. Never knew the body control module did not allow the vehicle to start up if it detected another one.
Thank you Dave, and thank you BlackThumbTV. This is a very interesting subject and presented very well. P.s. your Head Gasket shirt almost got me in trouble at work, but instead "Karen" got told to chill the frig out. It was only visible on my way into the building unless she was undressing me with her eyes during work. 😅
You do an amazing job explaining this stuff. I've learned more from your wiring related videos than I have my 14 years of school. Before I watched your engine wiring video this stuff was like an alien language to me. I currently have a 04 325ci sitting in my driveway and I'm thinking about putting an LS or SBC in it. Probably an SBC since this would be my 2nd time ever even pulling an engine but regardless carbureted or EFI my confidence on pulling the trigger on the swap has jumped. Plus your videos are purely entertaining as well.
I'm not a gambling man, but 100k in 2024 is in the bag. Content's all there, I think drop the green screen and replace static/zoom shots with lil vids and you'll up your game.
Been watching these vids bc ive considering swapping a v8 into my TJ. I saw that novak makes a "translator" that turns distributor pulses into crankshaft and camshaft signals the jeep ecu can use. Tempted to do this then literally take the check engine bulb out LMAO. Also bc im extra lazy, converting the tbi v8 into a carb to simplify things.
Really good video! I was excited to see Haltech coming out with the rebel LS but was disappointed to see it only has 1 dedicated Haltech bus. I am definitely going to go with a Haltech nexus R3 when I do my RX8 swap, the extra money is worth it for the seamless integration.
Between you and I, I've personally developed something like this, however it can run independently on a Raspberry Pi as well as on mobile platforms. Just need the time/motivation to finish it and pop it in one of my cars. If you'd like to know more bug me in Discord, it's a pretty cool project!
Oh its the "broadcaster" now i finally understand... You must of been a teacher in your past life. Ty i get it know!🙏 ty dave... Haltech please just hire this guy
Your videos got me working on my project car again, i had the engine in but had no clue where to start with wirinf and tuning so it just sat there for 2 years while i did some other smaller projects. Keep it up man!
Love the video, you think you can make a video on k-line stuff? Like old Toyotas and Lexus have this and there’s such little info for someone to learn about it.
Can you make a video on your H6 UEL headers along with dimensions and which cylinders to pair? I got a 2011 3.7 v6 mustang that I love for the handling but I'm not a big fan of the VQ trumpet sound on a mustang
Should can bus be legally standardized? Is there any proprietary tech involved that standardization would be harming some brands while helping others? Are there any reasons this would be any different from the obd port standardization? Love your content black thumb you definitely deserve more support than the algorithm is giving you 👍 ✌️
OBD hasn't aged well, imo. Manufacturers are adding new proprietary functionality to their cars that OBD simply isn't designed to work with. Things like reprogramming door control modules, or window modules, etc. The real answer would be to require manufacturers to document the protocols to do everything their magic little PDAs/softwares do, but that'll likely never happen
Not only do the new electric Fords play fake engine noise, but everything that doesn't have a V8 does. I turned that feature off in my 3.5 l F150. What I don't understand is why it was ever there 😭 the natural engine sound makes plenty kf noise and sounds like a Nissan 370z from hell
An LS RX-8 swap is exactly what I’m wanting to do. Does your swap have working ABS, DSC, and/or cruise control? Because those are features I’d love to keep if possible
Cruise works, yes. Just had to wire the cruise buttons to my standalone, and it controls the DBW throttle body accordingly. DSC/ABS are not functional in my build but that's because I simply couldn't fit the module anywhere in the engine bay with the LS in there. Otherwise, it would most likely work as the standalone emulates the factory ECU on the CAN BUS.
It would likely still work, but I had to remove it to clear the engine as it was in the way. Note that there isn't really a CAN BUS engine, but rather a CAN BUS ECU that happens to run said engine. Always possible to swap to a standalone if the engine is supported.
The secret to making people buy your product, "haltech" Make it simple and easy to use. haltech is pretty dope for allowing the translation on can bus, i dont know any others that does this.
Glad you're all finding this video useful!
Quick note: We mainly focus on CAN BUS in this video but there are a number of network technologies other than CAN BUS that manufacturers have used. Some include FlexRay, LIN, heck GM was using J1850 VPW back in the C5 corvette.
Still, you'd still need to build a translator from A to B, even if they use a different network technology.
seeing haltech gave me a warm and fuzzy feeling. as an aussie seeing haltech stuff used makes me happy because down here they are the goto for any engine swap or just tuning because modern ecus are like apple devices.
They make a great product
Chrysler had CCD or Chrysler Collision Detection. Confusing name, but it actually refers to the communication network and code to transmit messages without them colliding and garbling data.
You might be my favorite automotive youtuber ever. I am so sick, of seeing people talk about "ls swapping" everything, and never talking about having basic functions like this working again. Just get rid of power steering, ac, a functional gauge cluster, and throw in something aftermarket for rpms and call it a build. drives me nuts, contrary to common car guy belief, I dont actually want to drive a frame with an engine in it, I want to drive a car
I genuinely don't think I could have said this better. I like power steering. I like cruise control. And I love AC.
1000000% right
Seems like people act like the crappy swaps are “being a man” or something.
I think it’s just laziness haha.
@@BlackthumbTV maybe im just biased because you did an h6 legacy build. Probably my favorite engine of all time
Dude totally, this dude puts out no BS videos with the most essential information to what often feels like gatekept automotive topics!
real conversation between the LS and the RX8 factory ECU...
RX8: お前はもう死んでいる
LS: WHAT THE FUCK IS A KILOMETER?!?! ***murica noises***
Nani?!
@@BlackthumbTVEngine: seppuku
Hahaha the opening of your video is the exact situation with our rotary swapped BRZ, Rotaru. Now, I did know this going into the project, but we accepted that not everything would work at first. We switched to a Link ECU from the ancient Apexi and it can interface with the CAN bus network.
We knew Link had developed a BRZ stand alone, so we figured that would make life easy with the CAN decoding and transmitting. We didn't anticipate a few difficulties such as one out of two CAN networks being exposed. Basically we were already using one CAN connection for our CAN Lambda and CAN gauge, and you can't put the custom CAN and the OEM CAN on the same network.
Also, despite Link now having all of the BRZ/86 CAN data available thanks to the plug in, it's not all publicly displayed since it's just used internally on a stock engine BRZ. This won't be a problem for many, but since we wanted to use the stock BRZ pedal for a DBW install, we were hoping to sniff accelerator pedal position data from the CAN network.
We could overcome all of those issues with manual message reception instead of with the OEM CAN emulation, but then we'd need a hybrid CAN network. Like you talked about, you can define everything custom as long as you have message syntax. However, when we had the BRZ and aftermarket accessories on the same network, it seemed to cause some collision issues.
So, we are adding a translator just to make our life simpler, though it could be fully done on the Link with a bit of board wiring and finding all of the correct CAN message syntax. Basically, we'll feed the translator RPM from the ECU and a few other basic signals to the translator and in turn we'll have a working dash, power steering, push to start, and more.
We did find a workaround since the start of the swap where plugging in an OBD reader and turning the car on with a certain procedure enables most of the systems including power steering, but it's less than ideal. Also annoying to have to start the car with a switch and a big button, as much fun as the Clout Switch and Brap Brap Button are.
Yes, let's definitely appreciate the people who take time to figure out all the CAN message info and share it publicly. A lot of people figure it out and keep it private either to have secret sauce or for profit. I'm not saying nobody deserves profit for their work, just sucks the car companies don't give it to us. Like you said, right to repair.
One of the BRZ CAN experts is actually from Ukraine and has been participating in the war since it began. I messaged him on Facebook and luckily he is alright last I checked. Just wild how the car community can be linked like that. I hope he can go back to working on cars soon instead of fighting off an invasion.
Lastly, I too love 80s/90s cars for simplicity, but obviously have to adapt. CAN is complex, but sharing information like this and everyone working together will only make it easier to deal with over time. There are certainly advantages along with the complexity. Let's keep making sick cars. Awesome video! Definitely going to help a lot of people understand. Subbed with the bell on.
Legendary comment tbh, and mirrors many of my own experiences. A rotary swapped BRZ sounds like a ton of fun! Been meaning to get my hands on a rotary myself but haven't found the time or money to do so just yet. If you happen to have the CAN message definition and are able to share (and haven't already), that'd be stellar!
Thanks!
the dave appreciation society begins... thanks dave 👍
Dave is a real hero in this fucked up automotive world
NOBODY talks about this stuff and it's the first video I've seen from you. Legend... subscribed🤙
"Number 1, Fuck it" made me laugh out loud so hard
Thanks Dave! Also -new black thumb video!!!!! Makes me happy!
You are teaching me things. I like learning things. If you ever want to ride a bike in NC let me know :D
Definitely my favorite automotive CZcamsr. Making it make sense. You’re awesome man
I love theses vids. So many people fixate on building the swap but never wiring the swap
thank you for this!!!! I am about to start a pretty crazy swap project. I'm going stand-alone (haltech or link - not sure yet) but the car is vintage and want to use the factory interior switches from the 70's, use modern gauges with custom printed faces that mimic the originals. Your other videos are great too!
As everyone here continually says, this is one of the best automotive channels on CZcams!
CAN was one thing then I learned about the existence of LIN, then working for Rover I heard of FlexRay; things are gonna get complicated. freaking power seats requiring a LIN wave form from the switch pack. Had an over head light that would come on by it self and was advised to send the LIN wave form. They don't even seem to know what their things are doing anymore.
Instant sub from me. You are so great for making this. No one fuckin explains how they implement ECU solutions. Thank you. And thank you dave
HE'S BACK! The sheer joy I felt seeing you pop up in my feed today cannot be understated.
I appreciate how anticlimactic the conclusion of this is. The simplest solution is often the best and most elegant.
It's not an ideal conclusion, but it's what we're working with for now...
Thank you Dave, bless your heart man.
Dave, people like you keep the garage geeks running. Props, bro!
And the graphics on the van at 7:12, wow is that funny!!!
Great information, and I particularly applaud your comments on Right to Repair.
It's the least I can do.
7:56 I had to swap out my ECU for my '06 silverado bc it fried, but the one I got from the junkyard did not have any issues with the VATS it fired right up. Never knew the body control module did not allow the vehicle to start up if it detected another one.
Fuck yeah we love Dave
Most vehicles now have multiple networks, high speed, medium speed, local area, and wireless.
Thank you Dave, and thank you BlackThumbTV. This is a very interesting subject and presented very well.
P.s. your Head Gasket shirt almost got me in trouble at work, but instead "Karen" got told to chill the frig out. It was only visible on my way into the building unless she was undressing me with her eyes during work. 😅
HAH! I wonder if I should start marking that shirt NSFW...
Great video! Came for the supercharged subaru, stayed for the fun personality and super informative videos.
You do an amazing job explaining this stuff. I've learned more from your wiring related videos than I have my 14 years of school. Before I watched your engine wiring video this stuff was like an alien language to me. I currently have a 04 325ci sitting in my driveway and I'm thinking about putting an LS or SBC in it. Probably an SBC since this would be my 2nd time ever even pulling an engine but regardless carbureted or EFI my confidence on pulling the trigger on the swap has jumped. Plus your videos are purely entertaining as well.
I'm not a gambling man, but 100k in 2024 is in the bag. Content's all there, I think drop the green screen and replace static/zoom shots with lil vids and you'll up your game.
Another video, another banger. Keep the content quality up like this because I love it, also thank you Dave 🙏
This is a great video Dave this modern shit is so complex
Thanks Dave ❤
This has given me some motivation to try to learn about making custom CAN networks. Thank you so much Dave!
Been watching these vids bc ive considering swapping a v8 into my TJ. I saw that novak makes a "translator" that turns distributor pulses into crankshaft and camshaft signals the jeep ecu can use.
Tempted to do this then literally take the check engine bulb out LMAO. Also bc im extra lazy, converting the tbi v8 into a carb to simplify things.
Really good video! I was excited to see Haltech coming out with the rebel LS but was disappointed to see it only has 1 dedicated Haltech bus. I am definitely going to go with a Haltech nexus R3 when I do my RX8 swap, the extra money is worth it for the seamless integration.
I'm still running with the Elites. I feel like the Nexus just tries to do too much. I just need an ecu, no PDM stuff.
Honey, Blackthumb posted another video
Do I plan to engine swap a car myself? No. Was this video still fun to watch and very informative anyways? Absolutely 😄
I would like to see you adventuring yourself with realdash and canbussin' everything onto it
Between you and I, I've personally developed something like this, however it can run independently on a Raspberry Pi as well as on mobile platforms. Just need the time/motivation to finish it and pop it in one of my cars. If you'd like to know more bug me in Discord, it's a pretty cool project!
13:15 Ahh crap. Another rabbit hole to fall into.
Appreciate the work you put into making this hobby accessible. Keep it up! (and thanks Dave!)
That year van probably has Passkey not V.A.T.S. vats had a actual chip in the blade of the key.
Oh its the "broadcaster" now i finally understand... You must of been a teacher in your past life. Ty i get it know!🙏 ty dave... Haltech please just hire this guy
Thank you Dave
Great Video, just the other day i was thinking about upgrading my 3d printer with a can bus to clean up the wire mess.
Thank you dave
Your videos got me working on my project car again, i had the engine in but had no clue where to start with wirinf and tuning so it just sat there for 2 years while i did some other smaller projects.
Keep it up man!
Glad I could help
I'm so glad to see you back from the dead ❤
More to come!
Great video sir. Your content is awesome. Well explained .
Hey just found your chanel. Goos content with a some funny bits 😂 im in!
That was supposed to be good content, not goos. Whatever that would be
great video! as a fellow millenial i love the information along with the humor.
Thanks
The Lord has posted, gather quick kids. (im late ash)
this damn video needs to be bigger!!!! go Dave!
Love the video, you think you can make a video on k-line stuff? Like old Toyotas and Lexus have this and there’s such little info for someone to learn about it.
I don't presently have enough experience with K line to give advice on it, unfortunately. Thanks for the kind words!
I’m so happy your making videos again😭
You seem to embrace the superior automotive philosophy of doin' it for shits 'n' giggles™.
CAN BUSSIN
Morbin
Your videos are amazing bro
Yes, BUS CAN ! and thanks Dave !
Can you make a video on your H6 UEL headers along with dimensions and which cylinders to pair? I got a 2011 3.7 v6 mustang that I love for the handling but I'm not a big fan of the VQ trumpet sound on a mustang
I'll try to remember to get some photos next time I'm under there, but no promises.
@BlackthumbTV please do the v6 and h6 guys would love it
Fantastic. Well explained. CanBus is awesome
This shit needs more views tf is CZcams doing
man your videos never disappoint!!
thank you!!👍🏻👍🏻
Should can bus be legally standardized? Is there any proprietary tech involved that standardization would be harming some brands while helping others? Are there any reasons this would be any different from the obd port standardization? Love your content black thumb you definitely deserve more support than the algorithm is giving you 👍 ✌️
OBD hasn't aged well, imo. Manufacturers are adding new proprietary functionality to their cars that OBD simply isn't designed to work with. Things like reprogramming door control modules, or window modules, etc. The real answer would be to require manufacturers to document the protocols to do everything their magic little PDAs/softwares do, but that'll likely never happen
THANK YOU! YOU DO THE LORDS WORK
Not only do the new electric Fords play fake engine noise, but everything that doesn't have a V8 does. I turned that feature off in my 3.5 l F150. What I don't understand is why it was ever there 😭 the natural engine sound makes plenty kf noise and sounds like a Nissan 370z from hell
Thanks for this, now i can cummins swap my subaru!
Please do, that'd be rad!
Great description, good details. But why TF is this in 48 FPS???
I switched editors and don't know what I'm doing 💀. Nice catch!
wow I kept seeing canbus errors in my obd2 reader, and would fix it, but never knew what it was
I've had situations where the OBDII reader was disrupting the CAN BUS and causing the codes itself, even.
Very informative, good job
Love the content man!
2008 is the hard year for can bus anything later than that has can
These are the details missing from every swap video i have seen
An LS RX-8 swap is exactly what I’m wanting to do. Does your swap have working ABS, DSC, and/or cruise control? Because those are features I’d love to keep if possible
Cruise works, yes. Just had to wire the cruise buttons to my standalone, and it controls the DBW throttle body accordingly.
DSC/ABS are not functional in my build but that's because I simply couldn't fit the module anywhere in the engine bay with the LS in there. Otherwise, it would most likely work as the standalone emulates the factory ECU on the CAN BUS.
More.
6:41 2004 cadillac deville radio stop working the car won't run
That's genuinely rage-inducing
Sigh…everytime I start one of your videos I look out at my rx8 🤣😭😭 it deserves the American bald eagles.. standalone I will go.
Just wait until you see what I'm working on now. K swapped RX8, and that turbo at the end is part of it 👀
I have a question. What long tube headers are you running on your RX8? I think I saw long tubes
They're the ones that come with the swap kit
This guy is somehow ten years younger and ten years older than me at the same time
Does your abs still work? Considering getting an rx8 to smack an canbus engine into.
It would likely still work, but I had to remove it to clear the engine as it was in the way. Note that there isn't really a CAN BUS engine, but rather a CAN BUS ECU that happens to run said engine. Always possible to swap to a standalone if the engine is supported.
CAN BUS translation using AI maybe = the future dun dunnnn dunnnnnnnnnnnn
The secret to making people buy your product, "haltech" Make it simple and easy to use. haltech is pretty dope for allowing the translation on can bus, i dont know any others that does this.
I am LS swapping a 1988 nissan sentra, no canbus on that one! Holley terminator for ECU. love your videos! so hilarious.
vnt. noice.