LG, what will we do without you?
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As a V40 owner, I salute you for saluting and praising the wonderful, so underestimated and unsurpassed LG audiophile Handy 😊
Still using my LG v60 and loving it. Quad dac, 3.5mm headphone socket, sd card slot (over 100gb of WAV audio files using the USB audio player pro app). Also, detachable second screen option, proper stylus support on both screens, great battery life, excellent screen, tough as nails and more! Currently on android 12 and expecting android 13 as the last update. Just in time for me to consider a device that supports aptx lossless.
LG have given great service to people using phones that enjoy audio. I've had several LG v series and still have an LG g8 thinq, also with a quad dac. And innovation in so many areas. Thank you LG!
Model numbers of every ESS Sabre DAC featured in an LG smartphone:
V10 - ESS Sabre 9018 DAC, Sabre 9602 headphone amp
V20 - ESS Sabre ES9218 Quad DAC (tuned by LG or B&O Play, depending on the market)
V30 and G6 (Asian market G6 only) - ESS Sabre ES9218P Quad DAC (tuned by B&O Play)
V40 and G7 - ESS Sabre ES9218P Quad DAC (tuned with Meridian)
V50 and G8 (and G8x) - ESS Sabre ES9218P Quad DAC (tuned by Meridian)
V60 - ESS Sabre ES9219 Quad DAC (most likely tuned by LG)
Hey, have you tried any other lg phones? Ive heard the v60 was worse than v50(from my research the best sounding lg phone. maybe g8 is in the same boat)
@@aura_guardian35Did you get one? I went G4 to V20 to V60 and I m still on V60.
The Dac of the v30 is what got me into real audio, never did i hear my music so clear, a few months later i went to a hi ress audio store were they had a Questyle QP1R player...
WOOOWWW the sound of this thing with some grado headphones :D. Not long after that i got my first dap, a fiio m11 (now with denon ah7200 on 2.5mm) Thanks LG you opend my eyes on audio.
LG V30 vs V60 - which one should i go for the music ALONE?
@@rimmigoyal5020here's my thoughts
LG V30 -Most analytical of the bunch, by a small margin, BO tuning
LG V40/V50 - Marginally warmer tuning, Meridian tuning
LG V60 - sound is between the V30 & V40/V50. Not as analytical as the V30 and not as warm as the V60. V50 also can't process MQA if you need that. Also sounds a bit louder.
I think they're almost all the same, I personally prefer the V40/V50 for the slight warmth with brighter IEMS, the V30 with bassy IEMS & V60 is better all-around.
I don't use the V60 much because it is much bigger.
As a new CZcamsr myself I have to tell you how impressed I am with your ease and how you speak on camera without many errs or umms. It's a skill. And, as always, thanks for the great video.
Hello Steve, fancy bumping into you here!
I agree. I travel for work several days per week. I have always used the LG Quad-DAC phones with my Grado's since they came out. The one device reason you gave is it. On Airplanes and in hotels it just makes life easier. I currently have the LG V60.
For anyone that's interested the newly released Asus Rog Phone 5 has a 3.5mm headphone jack with an ESS DAC. There is still hope for us yet.
I was interested in that Rog 5 also but after jerryrig's durability test not gonna buy that. I hope asus makes zenfone 8 much more durable. If not I will go with usb dac dongle and usb audio player pro app.
Usb dac dongle is the future. Companies such as thx, astell and kern are jumping in.
Plenty of options now.
I just got a Dragonfly Cobalt and a dongle. It sure is less comfortable but for those long train rides etc, it doesn’t really matter and the quality is remarkable.
@@ornobislam5106 future? Dude, we live in the future haha
@@spector175 Yeah, the durability test was disappointing. The phone is an absolute beast in size too. Not for me.
LG - a giant in the electronic industry. I have an LG tv that has been going for eons. Thank you LG.
Thanks for opening the comment section again. I think it adds to the experience of your channel. And RIP LG. It has been my go-to phone brand for the last five years.
Sony should take the baton, and get better DAC's on their phones.
I was literally just thinking that, they are announcing a new phone soon
why tho ? sony sells dedicated dacs. they wont bother puting it on their phones
New Xperias have dedicated DAC and 3.5 output. They cost a fortune though
Why better dac's? My Xperia 5 Mk ii sounds much better than my previous LG v30
I would buy that. A Sony high res phone
Watching this on my v40 right now. Not sure what I'm going to do here in a few years. I love these phones.
I watched the MKBHD video and kept thinking ‘I wonder what John will think/say about LG throwing in the gloves.’ Great Video and really interesting view point 👍
I bought LG V50 phone and since another phone, Google pixel 4a 5g I did a little bit testing before. Sound is so much better on LG phone. I also think V50 is as high as you want to go in the line due to LG cut corners on V60. V50 has 5G as well and screen and material are qualify too. So if deciding get LG V50 used and don't look back.
Well said, was gutted when I couldn't buy a new LG recently. I decided to go with a Sony 5ii and the Fiio BTR5 to run the audio. It's an upgrade for sure, but my LG V40 was just simple and great.
I've really enjoyed my V30. Heard this news and ordered the G8X dual screen with the ESS dac from Best Buy. I can have Tidal on one screen and read about the song or artist on the other screen, or read the news on the other screen. Best Buy still has the unlocked version new for $500! BYW, you can remove the main phone from the case to lighten the load and it is essentially the G8x. My music player for the next few years.
This was so sad. I am very happy with my G8x and its DAC.
Glad I bought my V50 brand new last week.
Guess I'm all alone in that I'm satisfied with lossy on the run as long as I have lossless at home.
You're not alone. I feel the same way.
well, i don't even have much lossless at home.
Nice to see Jana- wish she was still making videos.
So informative, even as a lifelong Apple iPhone user I love hearing about what you said about LG. Thanks
I loved my V30 but had to trade it in for my V40 which has been my day to day DAP (december 2023) since I change mobile carrier three years ago because the sound quality is that great!
oh and it's nice to see the comments open too!!
Well done, Sir. Still have my V20 side piece! Current phone is a G8. Might try to pick up a V50 or 60 before they disappear. Not too happy but was good while it lasted. RIP LG. You will be missed!
Me to with a big 9k mil amp battery
I am a happy v30 user as a second phone, along with iPhone. I need to have two mobile one for work and the other one serves as a personal phone. So v30 is my main music player on the go. I am really sorry that LG has not been appreciated enough for its focus on user experience in these kinds of niche areas. thank you for the great video. all audiophiles will remember LG with good memories, I believe.
I'm still rocking the LG V20. The HP jack is the golden gate to mobile audio. A replaceable battery, and SD Card slot that supports up to 1Tb, an IR blaster, a 2nd screen and a MILSpec build quality and you can rebuild it, if it breaks, Best phone of the last decade.
I've always used Digital Audio Players since 2006 when I ordered a Cowon D2. What a great sounding machine that was even though the UI was truly terrible. I got used to carrying two devices, one phone, one audio player, until I was made aware of LG smartphones.
They will be sadly missed.
Great vid as always John..heres a another niche. I use my LGv30 for a car audio system running android auto but with aftermarket amps and speakers. The v30 compared to my new s21 ultra ($1K phone) still sounds better to my ears! Connected via USB going into an Alpine ILX 702.
I think LG made their mistake by not advertising their flagship phones dacs to the masses. When I heard about the potential for the best sound from a phone period, I was on board!
Thankfully ASUS have picked up the ball dropped by LG. The ROG 5 phone has an ESS Sabre chip and sounds great.
I only just came around to LG via a G8 about 1 1/2 years ago now. Love it. This new is a bit gutting.
My LG V30 gave me good memories. Now I have a Sony Xperia 1 II. It has a headphone jack and DSEE upscaling for both wired and wireless audio.
Not as good as the LG dacs but sure a clear step up from your average smartphone
Sony is coming with the Xperia mark 3 I Believe that one still has a 3.5 jack and hopefully a good DAC on it.
The best sounding phone ,I ever had was the HTC 10 followed by my LG V50 which was close second.Whlch also had a high quality DAC and headphone amplifier.Now I just use an Audio Quest Dragonfly Red with my Samsung Note 20 ultra phone.
Thanks John! I listen to Tidal HD through a V40, a dragonfly red and USBAPP and the sound is outstanding. I just use the headphone socket of the v40 and the Tidal app on the go because of all the external noise (traffic, other people etc). I really challenge anyone to tell the difference between CD quality and anything higher when you you're sat on a train or walking by a busy road!! I'm massively happy with my set-up at home and don't sweat not having MQA outside... there's more to worry about! 👍
I've been using Sony Xperia upper range phones for years. I do find they sound pretty good although I've no idea what tech is inside.
I have a DELL desktop in my workshop and added the Cambridge Audio DAC dongle and JBL ES30 monitors. The sound is great for not much $$. If you do your homework and search for deals, you can find ways to listen to great sounding music.
Still using my LGv20 and this thing constantly blows me away!
I also have and love the V40 (with Tidal) and hope I can keep it as long as possible. There are still no real competitor phones out there concerning the audio quality, as perfectly explained in this video. As always - great content on this channel! I'm a Fan!
Watching your video using my lg g6..quad dac version.
Wow this is my exact scenario. I've had an LG V10, V30,V30s,V40 and V50. The V50 style was probably my favorite but it didn't properly support the 5G mess here in the US. So only till recently I rocked a V40 for years due to the audio quality... and literally JUST this week I jumped to a Samsung S22 because if it's 5G prowess. Since Samsung was a lemming to Apple and dump their headphone jack and even expandable memory...i supplemented it with a very nice Cayin RU6 R2R dongle DAC as played through UAPP. This particular DAC even goes so far to have balanced headphone output. Big fan of Cayin's products as I also have their awesome tube DAP N8ii.
So yeah as much as anybody else...I'm in the position to totally salute LG for keeping quality audio alive in their phone as long as they did!
I bought a locked LG V30 for $75US because the lady couldn’t get the headphone jack to seat fully. I took a paper clip and 5 min later removed a wad of lint out of the port. Now it’s fully functional. I bought the KEX Pro in ear monitor headphones and set up the V30 for music only. It was the best money I could have spent for a great audio player.
I upgraded from V20 to V40 and now V60. I only use mine as a DAP and not a phone. It's the only "phone" I have heard with enough muscle to drive the AKG K702.
Always agree with you John, and learn so much from you. Thanks for being there .
I just got ddHiFi TC35i and it's a life saver for anyone rocking an iPhone who has an issue with double dongling. To me it sounds better then apple dongle. It could be me being impartial since I destroyed unhealthy number of iPhone dongles over the years. This one feels much better when it comes to build quality, since it's made of metal, so my brain might be translating that into better sound.
Wow comments are active. Have missed the interactions. Typing this on my V30+. Gonna have to be extra careful with it in the future. Will miss LG I'm still using a nexus 5 for usb streaming at home.
Nice, hang onto it for sure. Maybe it's time to get a new phone so you can keep the V30 in its best condition.
@@AuggieG yeah maybe a V50 😀
Recently I got my V60 (incredibly a new, on december 23)... Updated to android 13.
It is just pleasant to hear the good quality sound of it.
I still have my v20 as my home media player.
Hopefully sony has something good for the future.
Bummed about LG. Have owned all the V series phones up to my current V60.
Yes, Yes, Yes keep having Jana promoted to the Sponsors to be their lead-in for your Videos🎶
For the extreme cost of most flagship phones they should all include a great ladder DAC and swappable op amps.
LG G7 thin Q
Suits this little duck quite nicely.
ESS quad (four paralleled) DACs ES9218P with integrated headphone amplifier.
Same.... really enjoy my G7.
And only one with Boombox fiction if I'm not mistaken. Really great sound when put on acoustic material.
I can relate to every word you spoke here. In fact, these are the very words I told myself about my LG G7 ThinQ. I switched to this phone from my Sony Z3 plus, a phone which had terrible heating issues, but I stuck with it for the sake of music. Then I discovered LG G7 ThinQ with quad DAC and bought it immediately. I was pleasantly surprised and I couldn't ask for more. After more than three years of the best music experience I could have, my phone faced issues with the charging port. I am to blame because I let my nephew test its water resistance feature. I'll be giving it for servicing, I am not sure if they can fix it. Meanwhile, I was searching for new mobiles that could offer a music experience similar to LG ThinQ, but I found none. Heartbroken, disappointed. I will be missing LG phones.
But remember you have one type C port on your phone you may snap it very easly but when there is a dedicated 3.5mm jack with a good DAC that is more proper for every one .
By the way a good external DAC might cost you more than $200 that is now the price for the 2020 LG V60.
BY the way there is a new great phone for audiophiles by Moondrop called MIAD 01 it has a 3.5mm headphone jack and a 4.4mm pro. jack. with a very reasonable price and I think the DAC used there is CITRUSS MASTER HI-FI.
Man, the V20 was the first phone I had where I was able to just have my music there and be happy with it. I got caught in the time of Rockboxed Ipods and external, portable amps with LOD cables for said Ipod. That opened me up to wanting good sound as much as my first IEM' (Shure SE530) but it was so bulky and an extra device to have.
I just purchased a V50 last year as my V20 was getting a bit wonky, it just continued with the nice DAC offering but I suppose all things end. Thanks to LG for trying, though no thanks for the bad SW update commitment.
Im just watching this from my LG V40 that i got after seeing your video about it. Using it daily with Tidal and Sennheiser hd25. I cant belive they stoped making smartphones
i used to own a v30 and was impressed back then now i am really tempted to get one again as they go for about 150 - 200 squid
I was super-disappointed when the V20 didn't come to Germany and got flat out angry when I learned that LG would grossly overprice the V30. So I got a OnePlus Smartphone, a Dragonfly Red and never looked back. I really wanted to throw my money at LG, but they just wouldn't take it ...
Yeah, I’m in South Africa and the V series didn’t come for a while and when the V30+ showed up here it was a while after it had been released elsewhere and it was seriously expensive. Looking at LG’s notorious lack of software updates, it made the phone a no go.
Watching this with the LG V40
Big salute to this brand 😔
V35 thinq, here. Will never give it up. Just bought another for family member. That's number 4. I use my phone for music 99% of its tasks. Very few call or communication. Its my dap.
Great video. I did a lot of research about BT codecs. As you mentioned the lack of compatibility is sad. In addition an operating system often does not even let you see the BT codec it decided to use and takes liberty in switching bitrates based on BT signal strength and its mood.
Was toying with the idea of getting a V60... Now I'm wondering if the Sony Xperia 1-III or 5-III will bring us good news. What are your thoughts @John Darko?
i was thinking about going back to lg for my next phone upgrade, i had the v20 and it was amazing...
I've got a Dap and a dragonfly red, but honestly when I'm out going Bluetooth is so easy and comfortable I hardly ever use those. Better bt codecs are the best we can really hope for in a world of wireless earbuds where 99% of people have never heard of aptx or ldac. I enjoy my I3/aptx/cipher cable for mobile use which generally isn't a critical listening environment anyway.
I Have My LG V40 ThinQ Paired With Sennheiser HD598 For Now, Looking To Purchase a V50 and Pairing It With Beyerdynamic DT880 Pros in the Future!!!
Yes , I still can remember my days with LG G6 phone with quad DAC. I was amazing.
you were amazing? great
Wow hifi Bollywood !!
Moved over to iPhone as my daily driver but I still have my LG G8X that I use as my dedicated DAP. Can't give up that Quad DAC goodness!
Thank you John - Loved the video, as always, actually listening to this on my iPhone with a dongle dac connected straight from lightning to usb-c cable! Very neat and it does hires (MQA) which does matter to me, as well as the sound and it has a 4.4mm balanced output. All together the Hilidac Audirect Beam 2S sounds pretty good compared to the ifi zen I have on my Mac but waiting for my IEMs (Fiio FH5s) arriving Monday) to test it fully! Agree this is going to be a very busy market area - took me a while to find a suitable MQA iPhone product as there are lots of choices without MQA or better for android. Happy listening!
Is that Jana in the intro? Always thought it was her voiceover on the roon sponsorship intros
Thx for pinpointing other CZcamsrs and showing some light on lg❤️
I have gone back to a dap for on the go. Using an old fiio m6 until I upgrade. I don’t mind carrying it alongside the phone or iPad. It frees them up for my work.
I only use my iPad or iPhone to control volumino on a pi in my home set up. So happy with the sound as a lower price point.
When I upgrade the dap I will go 4.4 balanced. (Never liked 2.5) so then only need to upgrade a few cables for my collection of iem’s and headphones.
The M6 is an interesting little player! I use one as an Airplay receiver for my headphones around the house. I have stellar wifi inside and out so I never have to worry bluetooth range issues or lossy codecs.
Thankfully the Xperia 1 IV is handling audio quite well -- although I do wish it had a quad DAC.
Although not portable try an audio interface if you don’t mind bulk. I tried a cheap audio interface and sounds great.
I'm getting MQA with Tidal on my S21 Ultra. Is that a recent change? I'm using the Helm Bolt and the Tidal app asked me when I plugged it in if I would like to utilize the DAC.
Same with me on my LG V40 and my Helm Bolt.
I bought my v30 for just this reason.... I now use it to stream Qobuz over wifi into a Parasound A23 with Klipcsh Forte 2 via 1/8" to RCA cable in my garage... sounds killer
indeed lg produce impressive dacs however my v30 does not produce enough amplification power to drive either my 4xx's or sundaras and i thus require an external dac/ amp like the btr5 to drive them. thus the dac on my lg gets bypassed and well turns into just another generic mobile phone. do the v50 or 60 provide stronger amplification?
The v40 will drive hifiman 400s....to just loud enough.....so probably not enough for sundaras...
Watched this on my LG V20. The end of an era, but who knows, Nokia came back, maybe LG will too.
Same her. Watching it with my LG V20 right now.
Nokia, LG, Pantech, Sony is always my FAVOURITE!!
Listing with my ear men eagle dongle dac, with moondrop starfield's, always sounds better since took your advice, John. Can't listen to my phone anymore without the dongle on my Samsung. Thank you.
Enjoyed the show! I'm glad you give the "everyman/woman"''s perspective on the whole audio-on-the-go scenario. I'm a tried and true DAP user myself, but I've bought and tried dongle dacs in the past - with an iPhone - and as you mention, the associated cables/adaptors etc made me feel it just wasn't worth it and I've gone back to a DAP. It just seems weird that the whole phone audio segment is in such a mess. Wasn't capitalism supposed to give us competition and therefore better products? We seem to be going backwards.
Is the Lg v40 the same sound like Lg g8? The same dac? The same sound in headphones?
Hi from Ukraine, - Kiev
Great listening to you. I've had the lg7 thinq for over 7 years now my Genesis auto has a 17 speaker Lexicon audio system with a subwoofer using the trunk as the speaker box. So I know the value of the dac it sounds awsome. Oh by the way thinq has to do with home automation my lg oled tv has it.
Excellent discussion! As an iPhone user I am still a two device enthusiast. The major benefits for me are that notifications are not interrupting the playback and I still have offline support from Qobuz not to mention I like having both iOS and Android. If I were being hypothetical I would love for the iPod (not the touch) to come back with expandable storage, app support and music quality as a focus.
I had an LG g8x with the quad dac, for me hi res tops out at flac files stored on micro SD (512gb card with about 400gb for music so far!). About a year ago I experimented with these dongle dacs as I thought I would get some, probably small improvement over the LG. Tried the cobalt, s9 and most recently the dc05. All very good, all powerful enough for my iems and headphones (fd1's and Sony 7506's) but ultimately more of a faf and more of a battery drain. More difference came from changing headphones than the dongle. Going back to my g8x as is now and doing away with dongle, if I get a headphone Amp it would be something like a dh80 which has its own battery and suits my use case more. The quad dac lg's are more than enough for music on the go i think, as you say people get wound up about the files and the numbers when ultimately as long as your phone/player is good enough, then it's good enough 👍
What are we going to do in the future... ? LG is/was the best nothing comes close. Also it's rarely mentioned but the stylus 4 which I have also has the quad dac, that i paid less than $200. I use ikko iems. wow what a valu.
Excellent as always.
Your comment on Marquez is so apt.
He even pretended to compliment LG whereas not once has he supported LG in the past years.
So interesting that he chose to recommend them at their demise when he did nothing to help them whilst they were around.
I've had the LG V 20, LG V30, LG Wing now without DAC unfortunately.
I use my Opus #11 DAC but unfortunately can't replace this easily it seems as the battery life is now only about 2 hours.
Wonder if you could recommend something in its place. It's not easy to sift through the myriad of alternatives out there without being able to hear them.
Thank you for your wonderful channel.
It's a niche market, but quality over quantity as always. LG G6 with Quad DAC variant owner since 2017. Thank you for bringing this up!
Well done! Bravo!
I have a v40 and it’s a great phone and I agree about the sound quality. Although I sometimes connect via Bluetooth to my shanling up4 .
G6 G7 G8 all these phones also have the quad dac with hi res sound. One problem tho all G models have issues with tidal
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I'm still using the V35. I have a brand new V40 also. But I've been fine using the V35. I don't care to "upgrade" every 3 months to REALLY only realize it's more like DOWNGRADING. I even enjoy bluetooth on this phone.
This reminds me what a nightmare good quality portable audio is right now. I tried a USB DAC on my iPhone 11 and the adaptor situation is crazy. Ended up with a Sony NW-A55 and lots of music files.
Great content again John. I too went down the Astell & Kern route to get high res audio on the go. For the same reasons I also ended up using my phone (in the main). However after listening to the points you raise around the complexities of getting high quality audio from your phone, the mess of dongles, res sampling, Bluetooth etc... I think that this argues the point of going back to the DAP. I use the SR10 and can also use this as the DAC for other devices.
You made the point of moving away from DAPs due to not having streaming capabilities however you then stated that you offline audio for use on the phone. You could do that with the DAP. No getting around the two devices but you will save on battery consumption on your phone which is important when travelling. 👍
the dongle dacs are a bad idea conceptually. the form factor means the cable will always be bending and deteriorating in the pocket. the cable will break and the whole thing will need to be replaced. Dragonfly and other no-wire dacs are a better option and always will be, where you can replace the connector cable without replacing an expensive device
Once on the subject. You should have also mentioned the LG AFD-1200. It is the B&O tuned DAC , that could be bought, as optionial module for the LG G5.
Not many know, but it can be used, as a stand alone USB DAC with Android phones or even with Windows laptops. It sounds just as good as my LG V20 B&O edition phone.
Worth picking up one. I got one for 15 quid sealed in orginal box. Quite big compared to the dongle dacs. but surely a worth considering alternative.
Also worth mentioning that Sony Xperia 1 III phone has a quality DAC with the 3.5mm headphone jack. Sony also have arguably the best Blutooth protocol. LDAC I think. Not sure. I am still not bothered by the wire.....:)
between LG V30, 50 and 60... which one should i go for?
I have a diffrend setup. First i use ios because ios does not resample the songs. Second i use a dap connected as dac to the iphone. So i get bit perfect sound when streaming and have all my songs on the dap. And third i have an unlimited internet plan with 10mbit/s thats enough for lossless music streaming. 40€ O2.
I completely agree with you. Lossless and high-res lossless are only part of the story in making what we listen to sound better. A DAC, and amp, etc. will make lossy files sound good too. In fact you might want to invest in a high quality DAC/amp before you invest in and try to find lossless files.
I loved my V40 ( bought at least partly on your recommendation ) but after a year the battery life fell off a cliff. I still use it as a DAP at times but got a Realme phone with 65 W super ultra mega rapid charger (0-100% in 35mins) and bought a E1DA D dongle DAC/amp which is extraordinary when used with USB audio player Pro.
When you use a dongle DAC, you don‘t use the LGs internal DAC? Then you can use any low budget phone right?
The other day I was searching for a Spotify smartwatch . I guess a DAP/spotify/bluetooth/solar watch is all I could ask for to keep me happy outdoors similar to Shanling M0 or Fiio M5 (time included!) in a pleasing watch design. Don't want to pay for a fitness spotify watch with limmited memory.
Great vdo as always but I guess we head to wrist sized DAP in future as alternative for smart watches?
the Apple iPod Gen 5 was the first decent sounding PMP. still have mine. i still prefer a dedicated device for audio. problem with phones with adaptors they are good only for streaming. with a dedicated PMP you get streaming plus external storage for your music files. 1tb. SD cards will come soon. 512gb. are available now.
Brilliant video gets to the crux of the matter, don't get bogged down with numbers. Concentrate on sound quality.
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