chronically online gay explains Fifth Harmony breakup lore

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  • čas přidán 24. 02. 2024
  • here we are, in the midst of the fifth harmony renaissance today I bring you a comprehensive history of why fifth harmony broke up. Camila Cabello, Lauren Jauregui, Dinah Jane, Ally Brooke, and Normani were forced together on the X factor and manufactured into the messiest girl group of all time. and yet, they still managed to slay....VERY often in fact!! This video was outlined before the all in my head (flex) resurgence happened but it couldn't be better timing...y'all need to get into these girls and put some respect on their name !!!
    this video was hugely inspired by @NicoleRafiee 's chronically online girl series, check out her latest one here: • chronically online gir...
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  • @theswiftologist
    @theswiftologist  Před 3 měsíci +703

    HOW TO FIX THE AUDIO FOR HEADPHONE USERS: Go into settings-accessibility-audio/visual-switch mono audio on
    I know u can't hear it in your left ear. thanks. no need to leave anymore comments about it 💋

    • @_FantasticEscape
      @_FantasticEscape Před 3 měsíci +55

      I literally started pulling and pushing my headphones lmaooo 💀😭 . Thanks for the notice King

    • @matthewreyes9640
      @matthewreyes9640 Před 3 měsíci +4

      I can hear it just fine people might just need to get their ears checked idk 💋💋

    • @hana-772
      @hana-772 Před 3 měsíci +14

      I though my headphone had broke lol I was panicking

    • @tomzitiger
      @tomzitiger Před 3 měsíci +26

      Ok good to know, but can you up the volume on your audio just in general?

    • @bella-hy2ro
      @bella-hy2ro Před 3 měsíci +3

      if you turn on mono audio in settings it will play in both ears!

  • @ElysianEdits1
    @ElysianEdits1 Před 3 měsíci +3733

    My right ear is eating this UP.

    • @BasuraVidz
      @BasuraVidz Před 3 měsíci +66

      Just take awf thos headphones schewpid! (In British accent)

    • @ada_janset
      @ada_janset Před 3 měsíci +3

      hahahahah

    • @Fiumefenice93
      @Fiumefenice93 Před 3 měsíci +7

      Lmfaoooo yes😂

    • @KelleyRaeofSunshine
      @KelleyRaeofSunshine Před 3 měsíci +10

      My left ear is too! 😂

    • @annamobrashear
      @annamobrashear Před 3 měsíci +14

      My right ear is infected so I guess I’m gonna listen to this out loud 😅

  • @spilledsalt4862
    @spilledsalt4862 Před 3 měsíci +1394

    I like when people say that fifth harmony performed like the were doing a group project but were being graded individually. There just was NO cohesion.

    • @theswiftologist
      @theswiftologist  Před 3 měsíci +58

      lsdknflsjndfd

    • @maninedoow5895
      @maninedoow5895 Před 2 měsíci +6

      Or that people behind the scenes destroyed them?

    • @chumptown
      @chumptown Před měsícem +1

      @@maninedoow5895 seems less like an "or" and more that people behind the scenes made it very clear they were going to be graded individually and it showed

  • @sara-ic3jl
    @sara-ic3jl Před 3 měsíci +1594

    my favorite horror bedtime story is fifth harmony's career

  • @Ladylovesblues
    @Ladylovesblues Před 3 měsíci +926

    “These days, the 10 year olds are listening to WAP and buying Drunk Elephant. But back in the day, it was turn up ‘Miss Movin’ On’ and go to Target and get an EOS lip balm.” FACTS🤣☠️

  • @lucasorlando99
    @lucasorlando99 Před 3 měsíci +564

    Another point I think is really important to add about why Camila left the group was because of the smash hit 2016 song of the summer Closer with the Chainsmokers. Camila was the first option to be on the song but was forced to reject it because she couldn’t promote it because she was on tour with fifth harmony. Then Halsey hopped on the song it was a #1 hit going Diamond. Camila has been open about how that stung for her and she definitely took the first out she could get to be a solo artist.

    • @aaliyahfoster2705
      @aaliyahfoster2705 Před 3 měsíci +49

      Dodged a bullet tbh because that song is my villain origin story back in 2016. 😭

    • @junainahrahman4156
      @junainahrahman4156 Před 2 měsíci +60

      I'm glad Halsey got it. No hate but Camila's voice would not suit that song imo

    • @chaecifer
      @chaecifer Před 2 měsíci

      @@junainahrahman4156tbf the demo with camila did sound good but halsey suited it more

    • @theeKPOPlover
      @theeKPOPlover Před 2 měsíci +30

      I loved that Halsey took it, it really suited her voice!

    • @hookah998
      @hookah998 Před 2 měsíci +8

      @@junainahrahman4156what you mean? That song radiates high pitch girly pop sound. If anything Camila is the definition of that sound😂

  • @gumsguey
    @gumsguey Před 3 měsíci +383

    Lest we forget Taylor also invited Camila to open for her on the Reputation Tour.

  • @yairethcastro7112
    @yairethcastro7112 Před 3 měsíci +698

    “It’s show business not show friendship” gave me the same vibes as Jade from America’s Next Top Model saying “this is a competition, this is not America’s Next Top Best Friend” 😂😂😂

    • @theswiftologist
      @theswiftologist  Před 3 měsíci +132

      That’s exactly what I was referencing 🤝 you get it!

    • @whisperedwish348
      @whisperedwish348 Před 3 měsíci +28

      @yairethcastro7112 Yes! Love ANTM! Also if either of you are RuPaul's Drag Race Fans, there's a quote from that where a queen says "This is not RuPaul's Best Friend Race!" 😂

    • @mix245ify
      @mix245ify Před 3 měsíci +1

      Esto es una competencia, no es la siguiente super amiga americana

  • @corhydron111
    @corhydron111 Před 3 měsíci +452

    What's crazy about this arrangement is that even the infamous cesspit known as the film industry has figured out not to put random people in an ensemble cast together! You routinely do something called a chemistry check, you rehearse or audition together. Who the fuck thought just winging the casting would end in anything but a train wreck???

    • @recklessmermaid
      @recklessmermaid Před 3 měsíci +40

      Well it started on reality tv so I don’t think anyone cared if they were successful or not. The drama was a feature not a bug

    • @faeriegraver
      @faeriegraver Před 3 měsíci +43

      I agree. I'd weird it worked as well as it did with One Direction, and Little Mix, for as long as it did.
      Before losing Zayn, and Jesy respectively both groups had a period of time where both groups seemed like a cohesive team. Little Mix were the first group to win the X Factor over here in the UK, and from the beginning it seemed like they were happy to be working together, there didn't seem to be drama and competition, they performed well together, singing tight harmonies and there wasn't a member who overshadowed the rest.
      I can see how it would be easy for fans to believe they were legitimate friends, and not colleagues first. They also lasted for years before Jesy left and things got *really* messy after that.
      But with 5H things were really messy from the beginning. There doesn't appear to be the same level of management of their image, they didn't seem to have enough practice together before starting to perform, and they didn't end up looking like a team, just five individuals who sometimes didn't look like they knew what they were supposed to do.
      There didn't seem to be much of an effort to even conceal the toxicity, or do any damage control over the contract they'd signed when those clips ended up all over the internet.
      It was a huge mess. The chemistry check, rehearsals, and audition together were nonexistent.
      If more effort was put in by their management and their company it might not have fallen apart as quickly as it did. Because they were really successful on the charts. Just nothing was working.

    • @24kgoldplatedvermeil
      @24kgoldplatedvermeil Před 3 měsíci +5

      I mean it worked for nsync lol it worked for girls aloud also no? It just didnt work here 😂

    • @surmaster4618
      @surmaster4618 Před 3 měsíci +14

      I honestly think it’s more of an American thing for people to be more competitive among their peers versus other countries like the UK. That’s why the UK groups: One Direction + Little Mix survived as long as they could versus Fifth Harmony who just seemed disharmonized from the beginning.

    • @MineralTown
      @MineralTown Před 2 měsíci +3

      @@24kgoldplatedvermeilare you sure they werent chemistry tested? idk about girl's aloud but nsync were formed behind the scenes not on national television

  • @bertahites499
    @bertahites499 Před 3 měsíci +508

    "who on this wall is constantly seen at the scene of the crime when it really has nothing to do with them at all? demetria." king, i was gagged. so accurate.

  • @SofiaSmileey
    @SofiaSmileey Před 3 měsíci +231

    I never really was into Fifth Harmony but as a Directioner I remember wanting to give fans some comfort after Camila left and went on the tag. Only half of the tweets were people celebrating her leaving to go solo and the other half celebrating that the group was free of her. I was so confused

    • @Poufkimashoula1
      @Poufkimashoula1 Před 3 měsíci +5

      😂 I remember that.

    • @Poufkimashoula1
      @Poufkimashoula1 Před 3 měsíci +34

      Her leaving was beneficial for both parties, honestly. Even though the group lost label support after their "star" left, they took the opportunity to re-evaluate themselves and think about what they wanted as a group.

    • @flaviol
      @flaviol Před 2 měsíci +18

      Only who were part of the fandom knew how her solo fans treated us and the other girls. She were already popular back then and their fans used to proudly call themselves "mamba gang" while doing and saying horrible things about the other girls. I love how them and she still play the victim about that. Everything while she was silent for years about the racism Normani suffered from her fans and also from herself.

  • @MM-dw4ew
    @MM-dw4ew Před 3 měsíci +349

    The “I’d do that thing too” comment while pointing to Shawn Mendes was hilarious

  • @sarahv.990
    @sarahv.990 Před 3 měsíci +1020

    Fun fact: I won a radio contest to meet them straight after the release of their first album, and the tension was already CRAZY. None of these girls wanted to be there and meet the fans except Camila who made sure every single person in the meet and greet felt special. A lot of our pictures were next to Camila because she legit was the only one who took interest in the fans. Then those pictures hit twitter and everyone was like “ThE FaNs IgNorEd ThE oThEr GiRLs TheY oNLy CaRe AbOuT CaMilA!!!" like we were all criminals 😅 when in fact the four girls didn’t talk to anyone and had rbf the whole time with tweens who had dedicated time and effort to meet them. Camila understood that even at her early age and became my favorite ever since that day. Now I don’t follow her career that much but I’ll always be grateful that she literally made this experience great for me.

    • @theswiftologist
      @theswiftologist  Před 3 měsíci +385

      this is really interesting boots on the ground reporting !! thanks for sharing

    • @chikahoshi
      @chikahoshi Před 3 měsíci +62

      I never knew about this; this is really cool to know! :)

    • @PopQuality
      @PopQuality Před 3 měsíci +35

      Camila queen!

    • @nikkofiedacan5344
      @nikkofiedacan5344 Před 3 měsíci +122

      The legit harmonizers always knew this! I love all the girls. Im a massive harmonizer from the very start. But Camila was the ONLY girl among them who always did extra miles to reach her fans and make them feel special and appreciated! Thats the very reason why I gravitated more towards her!

    • @aaliyahfoster2705
      @aaliyahfoster2705 Před 3 měsíci +31

      Ooof, I'm disappointed to hear this about the girls this way, especially Normani who I've always admired. Excited for her to finally release the album, but girl....

  • @charmainechan2801
    @charmainechan2801 Před 3 měsíci +225

    1. you forget to include how ally wanted to release solo music first but the management said no to her and let camila to release hers. cant remember which interview she said that
    2. dinah is the youngest not cam
    3. syco wanted to add a new member for their 5h album but they said no its doesn't make sense and straight out mean - that vma performance

    • @tajsimms8976
      @tajsimms8976 Před 3 měsíci +15

      Would anyone had listen to Ally’s solo music tho?

    • @regannem
      @regannem Před 3 měsíci +8

      yes!

    • @Narutofanfreak45
      @Narutofanfreak45 Před 2 měsíci

      @@tajsimms8976yes and do

    • @haechansabeoji
      @haechansabeoji Před 2 měsíci +4

      @@tajsimms8976yes, actually. her song “low key” feat. Tyga is a banger.

  • @SnapeArgento
    @SnapeArgento Před 3 měsíci +99

    ally probably hates her bc in those dms that were leaked, camila called ally annoying and said she wanted to kick her every time she spoke

    • @theswiftologist
      @theswiftologist  Před 3 měsíci +36

      LASJNJSDNFJL AND SHE WAS RIGHT FOR THAT

    • @cliffinkaemurd1320
      @cliffinkaemurd1320 Před 3 měsíci +8

      She is annoying. She kinda saw the group as a financial livelihood for the rest of her life. She fought so hard trying to stop the group from going to a hiatus but failed.

    • @Ciaroes
      @Ciaroes Před 2 měsíci +69

      @@cliffinkaemurd1320that’s not annoying. Not being financially stable is a valid fear and lots of artist’s career IS their financial livelihood.

    • @SandraJeanMcneil
      @SandraJeanMcneil Před 2 měsíci +25

      @@cliffinkaemurd1320okay wtf is wrong with that?

    • @canesugar911
      @canesugar911 Před 2 měsíci +8

      ​@@cliffinkaemurd1320how is that a bad thing?

  • @summerchild_
    @summerchild_ Před 3 měsíci +246

    Nicole mentioning Zach, Zach doing a chronically online girl presentation. Full circle moment

    • @theswiftologist
      @theswiftologist  Před 3 měsíci +50

      omg she mentioned me ?! in which video!

    • @summerchild_
      @summerchild_ Před 3 měsíci +35

      @@theswiftologist you are asking too much of my peanut brain but it's out there

  • @henrywayne5724
    @henrywayne5724 Před 3 měsíci +275

    I still can't believe Normani is dropping an album like what 💀💀

  • @erinvawter3212
    @erinvawter3212 Před 3 měsíci +253

    Chronically online gay coverage should just be homed as an entire segment on your channel. LOVE

  • @maryalicefike4704
    @maryalicefike4704 Před 3 měsíci +316

    as a nicole AND swiftologist stan- this was the best video that could’ve graced my timeline

  • @NeidaTeresa
    @NeidaTeresa Před 3 měsíci +54

    36:33 I have to hard disagree about not holding 15 year olds accountable for rac*sm. When I was 15 rac*st 15 year olds still hurt my feelings. Normani was only 16 when that happened as well so like, I think if she’s old enough to be hurt by rac*sm, Camila is old enough to be held accountable for it. That being said, with Normani having accepted the apology for the parts that were against her, I don’t have beef with Camila based on that.
    Her “private” tumblr posts however… yeah mama is gonna be on MY personal sh*t list eternally for that 🤷🏽‍♀️

    • @theswiftologist
      @theswiftologist  Před 3 měsíci +13

      I didn't say we shouldn't hold her accountable! Just that in my opinion when apologies are made and accepted then it is time to move on. If there's no apology/accountability then drag them until the end of time of course

    • @shizzlemywizzle1
      @shizzlemywizzle1 Před 2 měsíci +18

      @@theswiftologistbut it’s not your place as a white person to accept an apology for anti-black racism.

    • @theswiftologist
      @theswiftologist  Před 2 měsíci +5

      That's my opinion on the matter, I am not telling other people how they should feel

    • @NeidaTeresa
      @NeidaTeresa Před 2 měsíci +4

      @@theswiftologist I never got notified about a reply to this so now I feel like MJ from The Traitors just 🧍🏽‍♀️😂

    • @Isabella-vx3bc
      @Isabella-vx3bc Před 2 měsíci +9

      ​@@shizzlemywizzle1 huh? He's saying that Normani accepted her apology so it's not his place to keep dragging on her behalf
      Not that he accepted the apology 😂

  • @mrj8644
    @mrj8644 Před 3 měsíci +325

    I feel like you're leaving out a sneaky culprit in the fracture of the group... Miss Khloe Kardashian.
    Her making Demi specifically call out Camila as the standout was so nasty but honestly iconic

    • @lexiright5609
      @lexiright5609 Před 2 měsíci +42

      I feel like they share equal blame for that. Demi caused the fracture by saying it, even though originally they didn't say the exact person (although not saying the person who they meant was also likely to cause a fracture), but Khloe egging them on to say it was also partly to blame.

    • @mrj8644
      @mrj8644 Před 2 měsíci +35

      @@lexiright5609 I guess Demi could've stood her ground but Khloe was definitely fishing for some type of dramatic moment.
      And you're right, even If Demi didn't single out Camila, it would've weighed on all of their minds and they probably would've watched it back wondering who the stand out was.

    • @peepeecaca247
      @peepeecaca247 Před 2 měsíci +5

      yes i agree, Khloe def made it like 10x worse!

    • @em-ily1227
      @em-ily1227 Před 2 měsíci +9

      Honestly, it's probably boils down to the producers. I bet you anything they encouraged Khloe to egg Demi on. X Factor is a TV show first and foremost, getting a judge to single someone out in the group is the kind of drama they want to create!

  • @aljade9545
    @aljade9545 Před 3 měsíci +86

    The vine clip of normani dancing lives in my head RENT FREE. what a stark transformation she went through truly

  • @theladyprincess
    @theladyprincess Před 3 měsíci +150

    as someone who was a co-admin of a 5H updates account from 2014-2015 i remember every bit of this in real time. i became a harmonizer during their x factor days, i’m the same age as dinah & camilla and i thought it was cool seeing girls my age sing and stuff like that and god seeing all these unfold with my eyes was crazy now that i’m looking back at it.

    • @hunterthemystic
      @hunterthemystic Před 2 měsíci +7

      Thank you for your service 🫡
      - a former 5h stan account

    • @viv7761
      @viv7761 Před 2 měsíci +2

      were you 5HonTour

  • @meganlockie2033
    @meganlockie2033 Před 3 měsíci +246

    Loved this so much - please make one for Little Mix!!

    • @theswiftologist
      @theswiftologist  Před 3 měsíci +117

      Working on it!

    • @sarahv.990
      @sarahv.990 Před 3 měsíci +45

      I’ve been a fan of little mix ever since they were on X Factor in 2011 and tbh I was 100% blindsided by Jesy’s departure. I knew she struggled with body image and online trolls but I legit thought they were total besties. 😅 I think I video on them would enlighten me a lot

    • @prismen5535
      @prismen5535 Před 3 měsíci +8

      omg thank god cause theres no real little mix breakdowns out there@@theswiftologist

  • @abigailalma
    @abigailalma Před 3 měsíci +132

    never listened to fifth harmony in my life but you best believe i watched this whole thing and ate it up

    • @dramaminedream22
      @dramaminedream22 Před 3 měsíci +4

      You’re missing out. Fifth Harmony made some pretty good albums. Sledgehammer and Not That Kinda Girl are a couple of my favorite songs.

    • @prismen5535
      @prismen5535 Před 3 měsíci

      not that kind of girl is sooo slept on, also going nowhere@@dramaminedream22

  • @sammazza763
    @sammazza763 Před 3 měsíci +49

    I love how every CZcamsr I watch is using this format now, Nicole is iconic for this

    • @theswiftologist
      @theswiftologist  Před 3 měsíci +16

      she's the moment

    • @clara-zm9vp
      @clara-zm9vp Před 2 měsíci +13

      mike’s mic definitely started it and it has really taken a new life i just love it

    • @Ruth-of1ji
      @Ruth-of1ji Před 2 měsíci

      @@clara-zm9vpmike’s mic popularised it more but did not invent it!! Creators like Jenny Nicholson made this format work before him. Love Mike but let’s speak facts

  • @senseshchepin
    @senseshchepin Před 3 měsíci +48

    Zack is out here SIMULTANEOUSLY performing "messy-boots-on-the-ground" journalism for us AND serving in those green shorts!

  • @waiting48
    @waiting48 Před 3 měsíci +154

    going through a breakup and coping by diving into 5h history and listening to evolution of a snake... your timing is impeccable thank you 💓💓

    • @theswiftologist
      @theswiftologist  Před 3 měsíci +49

      Hope you feel better soon doll ❤️❤️

    • @meghansullivan6812
      @meghansullivan6812 Před 3 měsíci +9

      Havin a rough night of my own and I agree w you 💓 hope u heal ❣️

    • @recklessmermaid
      @recklessmermaid Před 3 měsíci +5

      Newly single over here too… it sucks. So happy to have the internet for company and distraction😢

    • @LaurenLaass
      @LaurenLaass Před 3 měsíci

      Evolution of a Snake and this channel helped me with my breakup. You are on the right track. 🤍 I recommend the Broski Report as well.

    • @amandaleighplans
      @amandaleighplans Před 3 měsíci +3

      @@recklessmermaidtell me why I still make comments like this when my breakup was one year ago… HELPPP 😭 hope u feel better soon (gender neutral) girlies 🤝🏼

  • @Tarikkb
    @Tarikkb Před 3 měsíci +112

    I think there were multiple factors for Camila’s standout, I think she had a very marketable personality at the time, she was on tumblr , she was a hard core one direction fan, she appealed to the fans but also , to be very honest, her passion shined on stage, she never lacked once, if it was ballads, she was singing her heart out and the emotion carried, if it was upbeat ,she was having fun…she always very comfortable and confident on the stage in her own way, I never though she was trying outshine someone else,it just seemed natural , even now and in her Havana era , she’s the only one in the group who’s still making pop music , there’s this passion for music and performing that was really direct to the audience and I think that Carries someone no matter what style they’re singing , she even has countless acclaims for her writing and ear for music behind the scenes from producers like finneas, Calvin Harris and etc..

  • @sundalongpatpat
    @sundalongpatpat Před 3 měsíci +141

    this happens in america... imagine how it goes down in south korea

    • @anushkakulkarni112
      @anushkakulkarni112 Před 3 měsíci +42

      I want someone to do this kind of video for snsd's breakdown...

    • @kidawesomeness123
      @kidawesomeness123 Před 3 měsíci +33

      Two words. Girls Generation.

    • @Poufkimashoula1
      @Poufkimashoula1 Před 3 měsíci

      Tell us.

    • @tajsimms8976
      @tajsimms8976 Před 3 měsíci +10

      The South Korean idol formula is based off the boy group formula of the 90s in America. So it started here but they took it way further lol

    • @DelusionalShipper2.0
      @DelusionalShipper2.0 Před 2 měsíci +6

      i think with the fact that idols train together for a long time and the general not individualistic but more focus on the group "culture" in SK, there are less cases as messy as 5H. I can only think, in very different degrees and situations, of SNSD, AOA and maybe a bit Blackpink.

  • @daniel_azad
    @daniel_azad Před 3 měsíci +42

    the clips of them i can't 😭😭i love how unhinged u can be while being honest and ur videos are so funny and informative and u have based opinions, not biased opinions

  • @freyakissane
    @freyakissane Před 3 měsíci +74

    Thanks for the video on music industry war crimes, appreciate you taking suggestions from fan girls in your comments.

  • @milaces1323
    @milaces1323 Před 3 měsíci +78

    This one and Uncarley's (the absolute queen) are the best explanation of what a clusterfuck Fifth Harmony actually was. Keep it up Zach! 😊

  • @Perksofbeingmiles
    @Perksofbeingmiles Před 3 měsíci +167

    I love this format and also love Nicole rafiee, you’d really good at this style of video

  • @heaveninhiding6970
    @heaveninhiding6970 Před 3 měsíci +102

    ALWAYS seated for a swiftologist video

  • @saranoelle3927
    @saranoelle3927 Před 3 měsíci +50

    Can’t wait for the next one (Haylor), and I love this Nicole Raffi tribute.

  • @Izzywildflowerr
    @Izzywildflowerr Před 3 měsíci +138

    yasss taking inspo from nicole for the title

    • @homidjohn
      @homidjohn Před 3 měsíci

      Who's Nicole?

    • @Izzywildflowerr
      @Izzywildflowerr Před 3 měsíci +22

      @@homidjohn nicole rafiee, she has a series on her channel called a chronically online girl explains

    • @homidjohn
      @homidjohn Před 3 měsíci +2

      @@Izzywildflowerr oh I see, didn't understand the reference at first. Plus I was so confused to see Simon Cowell posted hanged on his wall earlier this week 😅

    • @cottage-core_
      @cottage-core_ Před 3 měsíci

      +

    • @VEGAS-NERVE
      @VEGAS-NERVE Před 3 měsíci

      @@homidjohnwatching the video first might help

  • @glcmrock
    @glcmrock Před 3 měsíci +63

    i love it when my fav youtuber takes inspiration from my other fav youtuber

    • @clara-zm9vp
      @clara-zm9vp Před 2 měsíci +5

      you should also watch mike’s mic!! he kind of coined this style of video and if you need someone you can rewatch over and over again he is the one you want

    • @glcmrock
      @glcmrock Před 2 měsíci

      @@clara-zm9vp thanks!! i’ll check him out :)

  • @chikahoshi
    @chikahoshi Před 3 měsíci +19

    This is the Fifth Harmony history video that I have longed for in years. The only thing I wished we could have gotten more from what the solo endeavors from the other four members. The one thing that always stood out to me was out of the four, Ally was the one who kept pushing out the most in her career…her debut single had some support to make the music video look expensive; releasing her first memoir; voice acting in a cartoon show; her CZcams podcast; Spanish singles, etc…and yet, the public just wasn’t interested, and I think that caused her to get dropped by Atlantic. Meanwhile, Normani still got a lot of demand to release her album despite her being silent. In comparison, Dinah was also really silent, but no one was demanding an album from her. So some of these topics being explored could have been at least worth delving in a little more, especially around Normani and what her role in the music industry means for her fans.

    • @theswiftologist
      @theswiftologist  Před 3 měsíci +10

      I think I have another video in me on their solo endeavours!

    • @chikahoshi
      @chikahoshi Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@theswiftologistIf you do make it, I’ll look forward to it. :)

  • @monnbg
    @monnbg Před 3 měsíci +39

    I looooved this format. I also really enjoy Nicole's chronically online girl vids so this was just great! It would be cool if you covered 1D's start and breakup lore in a format like this. Also looking forward to the Haylor one!

  • @arianabttroff1404
    @arianabttroff1404 Před 3 měsíci +44

    not u calling a sams club an old folks home im CRYINGGGG

  • @tuxegirls
    @tuxegirls Před 3 měsíci +29

    love this format! Little mix next! They’re mostly drama free but everything with Jesy 😒

  • @Wahida93290
    @Wahida93290 Před 2 měsíci +6

    As an harmonizer I wanted to hate this video, but honestly this is the funniest break down of Fifth Harmony’s breakup so thank you

  • @just.amxrah
    @just.amxrah Před 3 měsíci +28

    omg we need more of these videos in this format

  • @reey2778
    @reey2778 Před 3 měsíci +21

    You ATE with this format omg more please

  • @junjidiot
    @junjidiot Před 2 měsíci +33

    Not me thinking this was a Nicole Rafiee collab. Same format and everything 😂😭

    • @marcie1715
      @marcie1715 Před 2 měsíci +2

      That was my first thought

    • @nay006
      @nay006 Před 2 měsíci +1

      same😭

  • @MineralTown
    @MineralTown Před 2 měsíci +5

    honestly realizing how young they were, tf did anyone expect?? unless they were the most patient, generous, rational teenage girls in existence this was bound to be a mess. clearly no one behind the scenes cared to actually get a handle on them and just let them implode as long as they were showing up for work. honestly sad that most of their careers pretty much ended at the age of 20. to be burnt out and "washed up" when most of your peers careers are starting sucks. screw their parents too for letting them sign those contracts

  • @spencerchan6003
    @spencerchan6003 Před 2 měsíci +5

    Lauren is still making music and her music is really good but she is also smoking weed and spreading love

  • @unfazedgeorge
    @unfazedgeorge Před 3 měsíci +3

    The evidence board and your use of stories stringing the lines between everyone involved is next level work! Great video Zack!

  • @riaskyer
    @riaskyer Před 3 měsíci +15

    Nicole Rafiee and Swiftologist are my favorite CZcamsrs... the content crossover is insane.

  • @Bruna-xq8ux
    @Bruna-xq8ux Před 2 měsíci +29

    I think the reason Camila stood out the most was mostly because even with their horrible contracts and busy schedule she always made sure the fans got the best experiences. She wasn't the best dancer, but she put all her energy into that uncoordinated moves, the other girls clearly resented her, but she didn't let that get in the way of her stage performance and interaction with fans. When i saw them live, that difference was even more proiminent. Normani was the only one who had a competing stage presence (she has the most beautiful smile by the way). The other girls just emaneted "i'm only here because i have a contract to fulfill" energy. That was probably the reason Normani and Camila were there too, but they did not let that show to the fans. Lauren barely even moved her limbs during choreo, she left the stage several times, barely cracked a smile (all understandable considering their situation), but it just made camila and normani shine even more. Ally and Dinah didn't really try to interact with fans...
    I'm brazilian by the way and Camila went all the way to actually learn how to speak a few sentences in portuguese. Anyways... she gave her all and made every performance feel special for the fans, and i think that's the main reason why she was the star of the group.

  • @mrphalange7015
    @mrphalange7015 Před 3 měsíci +20

    This format is excellent.
    Keep it coming!

  • @smr5601
    @smr5601 Před 3 měsíci +25

    I LOVED this video, the format and detail, I would want more and also more clips/images of tweets when possible 😘 you did a really good job explaining this to someone who was not that familiar with all the lore and only started being interested because of the recent TikTok resurgence of 5th harmony.

    • @theswiftologist
      @theswiftologist  Před 3 měsíci +5

      noted on more tweets etc!!

    • @EmmaDaisy
      @EmmaDaisy Před 3 měsíci

      Yes! Tweets and texts 😬
      Ok, maybe I’m too nosy.

  • @richmaxmchalliwchester1984
    @richmaxmchalliwchester1984 Před 3 měsíci +65

    The were few main issues with Fifth Harmony:
    a) the contract they had was truly awful, the label, the management was all awful and producers didn´t help it either.
    b) there was completely no unity, you had 5 girls that had no intentions to be in the group, there was no real friendship, it was colleague friendship and on top of that both public and people around them were consistently putting them against each other.
    You have to give it to Camila though, because she was quite a mastermind during her time in band, the way she orchestrated everything to fall in a place is for history books. When Camila said that if she was allowed to be part of creating process she would stay for that 3rd album while working on her solo album i truly believe her. Although she had plans to leave band for a long time she clearly didn´t want to end it on a bad note. And she definitely learned a lot of tricks from Taylor that she used in both her career in 5H and her solo career. She debuted with 4 very different songs: Crying In The Club, I Have Questions, OMG and Havana. She had album prepared but once Havana started smashing she was able to adapt and rework the album completely in matter of just few months.
    In my opinion Camila truly was the star of the group, she´s the only one from the group that had an actual vision of her identity as an artist, what kind of music she wants to make and turned all of that into reality. She had only bit more over 1 year ahead in her solo career but she was able to put out 3 album with 4th one getting released this year. Non of the other girls had any idea what they want to do as artists and that´s why their careers flopped. Normani has potential but everything takes her too long. Lauren has a vision but she has no interest in being a pop star. And both Ally and Dinah have completely no clue what are they doing.
    I´m fan of the group and all their solo careers and i hope once we´ll get a reunion. I don´t care if it´s a song, a tour or just 1 single performance but i definitely need to see a reunion sometime in my life.

    • @LB-zn3ku
      @LB-zn3ku Před 3 měsíci +19

      “Her identity as an artist” LMAO girl be serious, what identity are you talking about?? She started trying to be another pop girl as miss taylor swift but it didnt work so then she decided to go with her “latina persona” just because of havana… and now after 2 more latin flop albums shes playing her new card, the “alternative pop girl”, so funny to see how everything that shes trying is just not working for the public anymore, and thats because her music is laking of identity.

    • @2222el
      @2222el Před 3 měsíci

      even if you don't like camila, you can look at some of her song lyrics that aren't lead singles, and see that what she writes are obviously personal to her. in 5h they never were given opportunities to write their songs, pick what songs goes on what album, or what verse they get. how could you find your identity as an artist in a group when you're given little to no opportunity to. you can't seriously expect her to stick to one genre of music her whole career either right? lmao. and she literally has only one latin album 😭@@LB-zn3ku

    • @youknowimwater
      @youknowimwater Před 3 měsíci +7

      the person above me is just mad and wrong for no reason😭

    • @cliffinkaemurd1320
      @cliffinkaemurd1320 Před 3 měsíci

      @@LB-zn3ku What are you yapping about? You are just pulling shit from your A**

    • @LilacSreya
      @LilacSreya Před 2 měsíci +5

      @@LB-zn3kuGeez, chill. What’s your problem? She’s always been a latina. Her mix style is fine. It’s just that the present market too heavily supports hip-hop & rap (with some pop thrown in).

  • @andreasinterlude
    @andreasinterlude Před 2 měsíci +3

    i hope you explore future videos with this concept because this was such a fun watch!! loved your commentary and your takes🩷

  • @alexarobertson17
    @alexarobertson17 Před 3 měsíci +7

    I saw this title and thumbnail and immediately said “NICOLE!!!” Love both of your videos! 🥰

  • @riccardocolombo1792
    @riccardocolombo1792 Před 3 měsíci +6

    Now as an harmonizer this is THE SHIT
    King, you never stop feeding and surprising us❤
    BTW set your audio on mono to enjoy with both ears so Zack doesn't lose his sanity

  • @JoyOgbatue
    @JoyOgbatue Před 2 měsíci +8

    Boss and Worth It, Camila and Dinah were minors when this came out and being sexualized so young. So sad. 😭
    Edit: Dinah is the youngest in Fifth Harmony. Not Camila. 45:15-45:24 😅

    • @funky3dpunky
      @funky3dpunky Před 2 měsíci

      right she was only 15 when they debuted

    • @JoyOgbatue
      @JoyOgbatue Před 2 měsíci +2

      @@funky3dpunky it’s true. Boss and Worth It came out in 2014 and 2015. So they were both 17.

  • @chloerose9938
    @chloerose9938 Před 2 měsíci +8

    Love this, one small correction, you made reference several times to Camila being the youngest in the group, Dinah-Jane was actually the youngest by a couple months.

  • @tinyrat275
    @tinyrat275 Před 3 měsíci +9

    Love Nicole’s videos, and I love your take on them!

  • @ArturoGiassi
    @ArturoGiassi Před 3 měsíci +4

    I love this format! That was a video I had no idea I needed

  • @freddiemalvaez23
    @freddiemalvaez23 Před 3 měsíci +16

    I just woke up to this 🥳🥳🥳! Zachary you never fail to showcase your work ethic and your passion to your on craft! Loved the video 10/10

  • @olitaxoxo
    @olitaxoxo Před 3 měsíci +8

    probably my fav video of yours! needing a 1d one!!

  • @Lilyflower1343
    @Lilyflower1343 Před 3 měsíci +2

    Thanks for the great tea Zack!!

  • @gracehiler1428
    @gracehiler1428 Před 2 měsíci +4

    I know what you did last summer is a certified banger and I will not accept other opinions. But I very much appreciate this video.

  • @sebab7977
    @sebab7977 Před 3 měsíci +25

    fifth harmony’s old music hits different 🧍‍♂️

    • @VioletPollux
      @VioletPollux Před 2 měsíci +1

      It's not like there's any new music though

  • @bransonlincolnberger
    @bransonlincolnberger Před 3 měsíci +8

    YAY! The video from that post is made! Praise The Fifth Harmonyologist!! ❤

  • @notkarennn97
    @notkarennn97 Před 3 měsíci +2

    we need more of this style of video this is so class

  • @hannahd8225
    @hannahd8225 Před 3 měsíci +11

    wow. just finished watching and I'm so impressed by how well researched and well written this video is. enjoyed every minute!! would love to see more videos like this... (and im still waiting for the melodrama video essay 🙏)

    • @theswiftologist
      @theswiftologist  Před 3 měsíci +6

      melodrama essay is of course always in the works......

  • @BEDHEAD947
    @BEDHEAD947 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Loved this so much. Love the way you present, how you articulate yourself and your humor, I was cracking up from your comments. The format is perfection, I can listen to you speak about anything. Very much ENTERTAINED for the entire hr

  • @mmmad-me8qo
    @mmmad-me8qo Před 3 měsíci

    You are really good at not being boring and talking to us like we are in the same space. Your videos are a guilty pleasure. I am obsessed with the t swift play by play videos but I do enjoy the breakdowns of these pop culture moments. Keep doing it.

  • @clarclaire
    @clarclaire Před 3 měsíci +3

    really loved this style!!! i knew like nothing about fifth harmony so this was fascinating

  • @alisonsmith6748
    @alisonsmith6748 Před 3 měsíci +19

    I was never a fan of this group, nor did I know anything about them aside from Camilla being part of it then leaving and opening for Taylor.... but I watched this whole video because I'm a Swiftologist stan. And I enjoyed the tea! More please! 😂

  • @Cat_Bracelets
    @Cat_Bracelets Před 3 měsíci +12

    I LOVE THSES TYPES OF VIDS TYSM!!!

  • @marissaemily8452
    @marissaemily8452 Před 3 měsíci +12

    Coffee and a messy boots vid, best way to start my Sunday

  • @garenfountain
    @garenfountain Před 3 měsíci +6

    Babes Camila is/was the best singer, and their impossible performance at judges house showed she stood out and had something special and she kept showing that - there were very valid reasons why she was the biggest

  • @Its_about_drive_its_about_po
    @Its_about_drive_its_about_po Před 3 měsíci +13

    Fifth harmony is literally my Roman empire thank you so much Zach 🙏🏽

  • @laurenlaugh05
    @laurenlaugh05 Před 3 měsíci +4

    You did a great job balancing the information with humor! I'd LOVE to see a video like this on little mix as well/
    Also I remember missing the twitch stream where you went over 5th harmony and their performances, so I am SO GLAD you did this video!

  • @cookiefarrer
    @cookiefarrer Před 3 měsíci +5

    I just paused my television, jaw on the floor, to run to my phone to write you this comment. You just keep getting better and better with your subject choices. You’re three steps ahead of us, Icon. This is the video I didn’t even know I needed in my world. 💜

  • @bt4582
    @bt4582 Před 2 měsíci +4

    I would say Camilla Cobello is def a success. Normani almost and Lauren had a song with Halsey.

  • @elan.stinks
    @elan.stinks Před 2 měsíci +18

    little mix unionized, fifth harmony fell prey to union busting tactics

  • @user-zr3yz8my6q
    @user-zr3yz8my6q Před 3 měsíci +3

    love this format keep them coming ! spice girls, little mix any pop culture tea love it

  • @racheldraughon
    @racheldraughon Před 2 měsíci

    I’ve always been infatuated with the chronically online thing that Nicole Rafiee does. This is such a cool format. I love your take on it!!

  • @Nienke131
    @Nienke131 Před 3 měsíci +2

    Really didn’t know a lot about fifth harmony aside from a few of their songs but this video was very entertaining! Hope you’ll do more of this kind of format.

  • @drewrosen
    @drewrosen Před 3 měsíci +5

    I didn’t know a lot about the fifth harmony fallout but WOW THIS VIDEO WAS SOOOOO INTERESTING. Amazing execution keep doing what ur doing💜💜💜

  • @harshitasriv98
    @harshitasriv98 Před 3 měsíci +39

    The image selection of harry I love this man

    • @theswiftologist
      @theswiftologist  Před 3 měsíci +30

      tits owt

    • @a-l-i289
      @a-l-i289 Před 3 měsíci +7

      when i saw the image of harry i was like "what are you doing here?"🤨

    • @harshitasriv98
      @harshitasriv98 Před 3 měsíci +3

      @@a-l-i289 yes and he said one sentence one time and ended up here lmao

    • @a-l-i289
      @a-l-i289 Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@harshitasriv98 fr like what does harry have to do with 5H????? nice seeing him though considering he's been pretty much afk since love on tour ended 😭

  • @ColePhillips
    @ColePhillips Před 2 měsíci

    thanks for giving us the rundown on this, queen. this is true journalism.

  • @mindaurra1525
    @mindaurra1525 Před 3 měsíci +1

    I didn’t know I cared about this until you started talking. Thank you for informing us on this important information.

  • @alyj6398
    @alyj6398 Před 3 měsíci +2

    I love messy 'behind the curtains' stories like this. I also feel like this style of video would be great for exploring the writing and events timelines of Taylor's (and other artists') albums.

  • @cnwd3295
    @cnwd3295 Před 3 měsíci +9

    I believe the evolution goes like this: Lady Gaga => Little Monsters => Stan Twitter => Paul 4.0 => Mike's Mic => Nicole Rafiee => Swiftologist

  • @huzzzy9168
    @huzzzy9168 Před 3 měsíci +1

    This is by far one of the most entertaining videos you have made.

  • @longyincheng4729
    @longyincheng4729 Před 2 měsíci +1

    love this formatttt

  • @karisat2136
    @karisat2136 Před 3 měsíci +2

    I loved that song Miss Movin’ On… 😂 what a bop that was. I feel like it was always easy to see the tension within Fifth Harmony… I can’t wait to hear Normani’s album! Loved this video Zach! ❤❤❤

  • @Don-ch9ic
    @Don-ch9ic Před 3 měsíci +20

    As an ex harmonizer I have to say that Camila was always putting in so much effort. Every single performance she sung until the end, talked to the crowd, and just seemed to be enjoying herself (even if she actually wasn't). She just had this level of passion that was far more intense than the other girls.

    • @cliffinkaemurd1320
      @cliffinkaemurd1320 Před 3 měsíci +5

      Fr. She was putting alot of work. It's only fair that she put that effort into herself not the owners of that group.

  • @rachelh1445
    @rachelh1445 Před 3 měsíci

    I absolutely love this format and want to see more of this. Please and thank you ❤

  • @lynnemc1424
    @lynnemc1424 Před 3 měsíci +1

    PLEASE ZACH PLEASE DO MORE VIDEOS LIKE THIS!! I LOVE IT!! ❤

  • @catastrophicblue
    @catastrophicblue Před 3 měsíci +7

    Loving the chronically online gay explains series btw.

  • @Lilithmaynot
    @Lilithmaynot Před 2 měsíci +5

    I Know What You Did Last Summer was a flop??? I thought it was massive, I heard it nonstop for ages

  • @rachelgardner2175
    @rachelgardner2175 Před 3 měsíci

    i’m loving this format! also idk where i was but i missed all of this drama when it was happening in real time

  • @andrdinis
    @andrdinis Před 3 měsíci +1

    I liked the format, keep on the good content king