@@Jedimaster-el1ve Boeing paid the money back to NASA Executives and Politicians through campaign donations which is completely legal in the United States of Lobby Ville.
Make Boeing's contract contingent on the crew's 100% safe return. If the Starliner crew are injured, Boeing execs lose their job, and any separation/pension monies. And Sierra Space get the new contract with Dream Chaser being the next option.
@@WhiteWolf65 You don't want engineers chasing dreams; You want them MAKING dreams happen. I wouldn't trust a spacecraft with that name... not in the age of DEI/ESG.
I think that’s not fair. Boeing clearly has some internal engineering and quality control issues, I doubt there is anyone at Boeing that doesn’t have the lives of the crew as their number one concern.
@@Jim-mn7yq LMAO, Boeing lied about known defects in 787, and tried to blame the plane crash on pilots' errors. How despicable is that? What makes you think they will do any different with the astronauts, based on what? If they do care, why do they insist on bringing the astronauts back on Starliner, plagued with serious problems that they can't fix?
Flight Rationale: "We're Boeing. We say ignore the helium leak. Ignore faulty thrusters. Ignore failing programming. Just LOOK at our expensive spaceship! We're too big to fail."
Make Boeing's contract contingent on the crew's 100% safe return. If the Starliner crew are injured, Boeing execs lose their job, and any separation/pension monies. And Sierra Space get the new contract with Dream Chaser being the next option.
When you go from making the great B-52 bomber that has proven to be very tough and reliable, to now screwing up space launches and the doors on your airplanes spontaneously fly off by themselves in mid flight. They certainly don't make things like they used to. All these incidents makes me wonder if they are using Chinese parts or sub contractors, or is it just greedy and lazy management?
Starliner should NOT have been launched, it was not safe then and is not now .. Those who made that launch decision should not be involved in the current decisions ..
The Starlemon was essentially a government-funded jobs program. Boeing engages in extensive (and expensive) political lobbying and many Congress people enjoy the benefits that Boeing brings to their districts. If SpaceX had cocked things up as badly as Boeing has they would have been cut loose long ago.
When NASA gets sloppy, astronauts die as we have seen too often. Jettison Starliner and have Space X bring them home safe to their families. It isn't their fault and Boeing is looking out for themselves first and the astronauts are secondary in their mind.
The first flight for the new software should be uncrewed. Why is there even a discussion about coming back on the Starliner? It barely made it up there.
Boeing isn't too big to fail. Let the company fail and claw back compensation from every Boeing executive and board member to make sure they get the message.
Apparently even the Boeing board agrees. Their new CEO Kelly Ortberg has an engineering background and did good things at Collins Aero. With time, he will push the bean counters back to their subordinate role and help fix Boeing. But, lots of damage will take many years to fix.
@@ProfessorFate Probably decades…. And will most likely will succumb to the bad corporate culture before the job is done. There is too much money to be lost by people with power in the organization. Just like people who go to Washington pledging to clean it up and within a few years they are part of the corrupt machine. The swamp at Boeing is just as deep.
I will say this, if I were part of the crew from starliner, you could not force me to board that spacecraft, flying that spacecraft would be akin to playing Russian roulette, Dragon should go get them and bring them home. Boing is just wants their spacecraft back so they can see what is wrong and they are willing to put the crew at risk, and to me that is not acceptable.
Am my opinion ever since Boeing was bought out the people in charge are cutting too many corners to put as much profit in their pockets as possible and this is the result
Dump the star liner into the Pacific ocean like the horribly designed/built money pit it is, it should have been trashed long before it got so expensive.
I agree... if they can't stand behind, or ride in their own product then they should not endanger others... the only RESPONSIBLE thing, is to send up Dragon to the rescue and suck up the embarrassment...
Does anyone remember back when SpaceX was building a capsule that would hold seven people that would really come in handy right now if NASA had said only five seats maximum we're allowed in the contract. 🧐
Not positive, but I'll bet a burger that the mounts for additional seats are still there, so installing those seats won't be difficult. In fact, SpaceX could likely demonstrate just how capable they are by efficiently and safely saving NASA's bacon.
They have all the hardware to install the extra seats on Dragon. Problem is Crew-9 will be on the ISS until Mrarch 2025 with the 1 month delay. AX-4 will launch for a short mission. This will give SpaceX more tha 2 months to install two seats on AX-4 and get 2 Starman Suits for Butch and Sunni. This would get them back late October/ Early Novembe and give NASA time to configure the auto-pilot . It's the safest scenario... we cant risk another Challenger or Columbia. Elon can make it work...
Junk the StarGrinder, and let Sierra Space put the Dream Chaser into orbit and bring it back safely. Then they will have the safe-evac bird that is designed to glide back like they promised DECADES ago... and it might even be able to use its module for re-boose as well... unless they are dead set on splashing the ISS... what a waste.
Avoid all risks to the crews' well being. Bring them home in a Dragon and then use the updated software to bring the Star Liner home without risking the crew at any level. Done.
Unbelieveable that the software currently won't support that. Didn't Dragon do a couple of unmanned resupply missions before hoisting men to the station?
@@luddite4change449 So did Starliner. It's confusing and I feel like it's somewhat likely that the issue is more along the lines of a ground configuration option rather than "the software isn't installed"
@@AmbientMorality You would think with a ground configuration issue: a.) that is an relatively easy fix, and b.) Boeing would have already been working the issue for that possibility over the last 6 weeks.
Well they've had over 2 months to be working on that (they say it only 4 weeks) so why haven't they managed to get it done in that time? Something else must be wrong with Starliner that they just don't want to disclose?
It looks as if Boeing would sacrifice the astronauts just save face. I think they should take the bitter pill and have Crew Dragon bring back the astronauts and then re-program Starliner for the autonomous return.
After not putting redundancy sensors on multy million air plane to maximize profit and killed people the only reason bowing is working with nasa is political pressure and they are willing to kill people only to save face as you said clearly.
This, coming on the heels of Boeing's QC problems with their 737 line earlier this year. If you own Boeing stock, you might want to think about selling.
The decision is being delayed until Boeing senior management can identify some engineers to blame if the thing disintegrates on reentry. "Listen Poindexter, be a team player for once and sign this certification of safety or else". -Boeing Manager
Hmmm... I thought... Hufff... the latest software troubles are not Boeing's first with the Starliner. During the 2019 uncrewed Orbital Flight Test (OFT-1), a software glitch prevented the spacecraft from reaching the International Space Station (ISS). This incident necessitated extensive reviews and remediation efforts, delaying subsequent missions. Despite these efforts, new software issues have emerged, suggesting that the problems are more deeply rooted than initially believed 🥇🇮🇩🥰😘
Half a century ago we put men on the moon using slide rules, paper blue prints and a computer that couldnt operate a cell phone. Now we have incalculable computer power, cnc machining, better metalurgy, and we cant get a pair of astronauts off a much closer space station. Is it the modern tech or the people using it that are the problem?
musk said it perfectly. Saturn was built by people who knew how to build a rocket, today, they hire people who run spread sheets and NEVER had hands on. thats why spacex does so well by hiring people who know how. and thats why boeing and nasa is failing .
You are right, their time is not unlimited, the seals deteriorating will continue, and the batteries will also degrade, but not as seriously. The longer it stays there, the greater the chance of "bad" things happening. I can understand the first few days to find out what the issues were, but now they have passed the best chance of getting it down safely.
Send up two dragon's to the ISS each with 2 passengers so that when both dock with the ISS one crew of four can stay on the ISS while the STARBLUNDER crew of two can return safely in the second dragon & NOT A SPACE AGENCY can remote pilot STARBLUNDER into orbit to see if it becomes a shooting star or not.
The right thing is for Boeing to tell NASA that they shouldn't use Starliner for Suni and Butch's return. They should even offer to fund Dragon to get them. They would save face and prove to all that it was the right decision to send Starliner back home empty. The consequences of Starliner failing on its way home with astronauts on board would be disastrous for both Boeing and NASA.
I worked for Martin & Marietta’s. Boeing has a management problem! They are to big, top heavy, to many cooks stirring the pot, etc. Elon Musk has proven that the problem with BOEING and all of the rest of them are the same, the military are like children with a new toy, they play with “what ever”, and then they ask can you do this? Making changes to something after the design has been approved is very costly to everyone! The space industry is proving what can be done WITHOUT the Government in the picture!
Can't someone go aboard Starliner, manually undock it, and EVA themselves back into an airlock? Let the damn thing sit there alongside as a constant reminder why Boeing shouldn't be trusted with *anything*.
If I was on the Starliner crew, I would tell NASA and Boeing that I'll wait for my Uber, a SpaceX Dragon. Starliner should have never been launched with it pre flight issues before the launch. Re entry has enough risk in a healthy capsule, no reason to add to that risk by having them come home in a capsule that has issues.
@@chuckm6592 - I agree with your overall dislike of this vehicle and the situation. The one thing that might provide some solace is that the RCTs are not required once reentry is underway - the capsule might not ‘steer’ to the desired point (as this is to some extent controlled by attitude during decent), but it should decelerate and land safely. So provided it can achieve a de-orbit trajectory it should be able to land with only a very slightly elevated risk. The risks might include stuck thruster valves or battery failure, but they would be discovered before the de-orbit burn.
Crew 9 mission is listed as "under review", not just "delayed". Four more weeks to try and fix the software?? Then what?? This whole thing reads like a cheap SciFi horror novel.
Boeing's present leadership has been preferring revenue over safety. their performance has been marred by multiple commercial aero plane accidents over the past years, and continued issues in its space programs as well.
The Starliner crew are stranded. They question now is whether they can be brought home safely. The reason why Apollo was successful was because they trained their crews for ten years and all were test pilots and spent 1000 times more money to get the job done.
Sorry about the typo. I like the comment of sending up (on SpaceX), the previous CEO of Boeing and the NASA person (s) pressuring for the return up to the space station to bring the Starliner back. They appear to consider the Astronauts expendable, lets see how they think when they have to take the ride down.
1 slightly used Starliner, 1 owner, low mileage, well maintained with records, title in hand. However, due to unforeseen circumstances, you will need to pick vehicle up. $500.00 obo
No one talks about the worst case which would be the loss of the Starliner and its crew while it attempts the return to Earth. There would be a lot of "finger crossing" with the return of the Starliner back to Earth.
Nasa should demand for the CEO of Boeing to go up there and pilot the detachment and the entry of that Can of troubles. Maybe he will survive, if not ohh well....
Boeing and NASA are both trying so very hard to save this mission, so Starliner can get a pass and gets certified for crewed flights. I can understand that a second system is needed for backup crew flights and the need to find out everything they can about this Starliner mission, BUT!!! All that is being brought out is that Boeing failed on so many levels with this mission, faulty RCS's, leaking seals, missing programming, to say nothing about possibly a faulty chute system from the last flight that's never been retested. They just need to call this a failed mission and use a DragonX to push the Starliner into a decaying orbit and bring home the crew.
And the one thing "The Evidence" will/has to be eject and thence burnt to a crisp before any possible re-entry of this "Apollo" capsule. Boo-ing tried living on shoulders of great engineers, their Grandparents. And the bean-counters even failed at that.
10 years to put man on the moon, 50 years later it has taken 14 years for a failed attempt at low earth orbit
We never went to the moon, the propaganda was best ever.
That’s Boeing not space x so don’t blame them Blame NASA giving Boeing all the money !!
@@Jedimaster-el1ve Boeing paid the money back to NASA Executives and Politicians through campaign donations which is completely legal in the United States of Lobby Ville.
@OzSpud72 It's considered to be corruption in most other countries and is illegal in some.
Boing is notorious for going the cheapest route and like anything else, you get what you pay for.
Who the hell sends a vehicle on a test flight without an autopilot? Worse, they removed the one that was already there.
Make Boeing's contract contingent on the crew's 100% safe return. If the Starliner crew are injured, Boeing execs lose their job, and any separation/pension monies. And Sierra Space get the new contract with Dream Chaser being the next option.
@@WhiteWolf65 You don't want engineers chasing dreams; You want them MAKING dreams happen.
I wouldn't trust a spacecraft with that name... not in the age of DEI/ESG.
@@Xanman64-p6q kind of sounds like the MCAS system fiasco on their 737 Max.
@@WhiteWolf65 The trouble with that is, the crew is likely to be killed, not injured.
Boeing values the lives of astronauts just as much as passengers on their 787 planes.
@@anthonylieu9068 I think the saying for that one is “ If it’s boeing.. Door opening”
@@ThaSlappyWappy Uh... No, that's def not the saying.
I think that’s not fair. Boeing clearly has some internal engineering and quality control issues, I doubt there is anyone at Boeing that doesn’t have the lives of the crew as their number one concern.
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@@Jim-mn7yq LMAO, Boeing lied about known defects in 787, and tried to blame the plane crash on pilots' errors. How despicable is that? What makes you think they will do any different with the astronauts, based on what? If they do care, why do they insist on bringing the astronauts back on Starliner, plagued with serious problems that they can't fix?
Flight Rationale: "We're Boeing. We say ignore the helium leak. Ignore faulty thrusters. Ignore failing programming. Just LOOK at our expensive spaceship! We're too big to fail."
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Make Boeing's contract contingent on the crew's 100% safe return. If the Starliner crew are injured, Boeing execs lose their job, and any separation/pension monies. And Sierra Space get the new contract with Dream Chaser being the next option.
DUMP Starliner!!!
They even can not undock this without crew
@@techmap9very smart design
When you go from making the great B-52 bomber that has proven to be very tough and reliable, to now screwing up space launches and the doors on your airplanes spontaneously fly off by themselves in mid flight.
They certainly don't make things like they used to.
All these incidents makes me wonder if they are using Chinese parts or sub contractors, or is it just greedy and lazy management?
it's got a toilet, recycling system for the liquids.
Boeing can't build an airplane so what makes you think they could make a space craft. 😅
Starliner should NOT have been launched, it was not safe then and is not now .. Those who made that launch decision should not be involved in the current decisions ..
Boeing is not invited to Nasa's teleconference anymore 🤣🤣🤣
Wish these computer narrations would be scrapped. Very a0nnoying.
So we’ve gone from “If it’s Boeing, I ain’t going”, to “If it’s Boeing, I ain’t coming home”. Now that’s progress!
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The Starlemon was essentially a government-funded jobs program. Boeing engages in extensive (and expensive) political lobbying and many Congress people enjoy the benefits that Boeing brings to their districts. If SpaceX had cocked things up as badly as Boeing has they would have been cut loose long ago.
unbelievable corruption behind the scene
Thank God for Space X or our space program would be in a disastrous state.
Yes, it would. Agree 💯
Boeing is an absolute joke at this point. An absolute embarrassment.
Boeing has never been too concerned about the loss of life as long as their bottom line is good.
Well said.
NASA Management should resign for bad decisions leading to hundreds of millions lost in space.
If I were the astronaut scheduled to return, I'd rather jump out into space without the suit than getting in the deathtrap called Starliner.
When NASA gets sloppy, astronauts die as we have seen too often. Jettison Starliner and have Space X bring them home safe to their families. It isn't their fault and Boeing is looking out for themselves first and the astronauts are secondary in their mind.
In space, no one can hear Boeing screaming.
The first flight for the new software should be uncrewed. Why is there even a discussion about coming back on the Starliner? It barely made it up there.
Even if they successfully get a Starliner return, who would want to go on Crew1 ?
Boeing isn't too big to fail. Let the company fail and claw back compensation from every Boeing executive and board member to make sure they get the message.
No matter what Boeing needs to be kicked out of the program and repay the funds because if non-performance.
According to Elon, Boeing's troubles stem from the fact that it is run by bean counters, not engineers. There isn't a single engineer in the c-suite.
he forgot: cheaters
Apparently even the Boeing board agrees. Their new CEO Kelly Ortberg has an engineering background and did good things at Collins Aero. With time, he will push the bean counters back to their subordinate role and help fix Boeing. But, lots of damage will take many years to fix.
@@ProfessorFate Probably decades…. And will most likely will succumb to the bad corporate culture before the job is done. There is too much money to be lost by people with power in the organization. Just like people who go to Washington pledging to clean it up and within a few years they are part of the corrupt machine. The swamp at Boeing is just as deep.
I will say this, if I were part of the crew from starliner, you could not force me to board that spacecraft, flying that spacecraft would be akin to playing Russian roulette, Dragon should go get them and bring them home. Boing is just wants their spacecraft back so they can see what is wrong and they are willing to put the crew at risk, and to me that is not acceptable.
At this point, I even doubt if Boeing is able to manufacture toasters !
Someone had a great idea. Use the canadarm to disconnect the starliner and fling it into deep space 😂. Bring astronauts back on dragon 🐉
Hopefully
Am my opinion ever since Boeing was bought out the people in charge are cutting too many corners to put as much profit in their pockets as possible and this is the result
Dump the star liner into the Pacific ocean like the horribly designed/built money pit it is, it should have been trashed long before it got so expensive.
Bring Boeing CEO and Bill Nelson to ISS and let them bring Starliner back to earth
Great proposal!
Send Boeing exec"s to the space station and let them bring the Starliner back. I bet not one would be willing to go.
I agree... if they can't stand behind, or ride in their own product then they should not endanger others... the only RESPONSIBLE thing, is to send up Dragon to the rescue and suck up the embarrassment...
Imagine training for years to be an astronaut and then finding out you're going to space in a Boeing.
Does anyone remember back when SpaceX was building a capsule that would hold seven people that would really come in handy right now if NASA had said only five seats maximum we're allowed in the contract. 🧐
Makes sense. Maybe, the 267k study will call the 7 seat version back 😝
Not positive, but I'll bet a burger that the mounts for additional seats are still there, so installing those seats won't be difficult. In fact, SpaceX could likely demonstrate just how capable they are by efficiently and safely saving NASA's bacon.
They have all the hardware to install the extra seats on Dragon. Problem is Crew-9 will be on the ISS until Mrarch 2025 with the 1 month delay. AX-4 will launch for a short mission. This will give SpaceX more tha 2 months to install two seats on AX-4 and get 2 Starman Suits for Butch and Sunni. This would get them back late October/ Early Novembe and give NASA time to configure the auto-pilot . It's the safest scenario... we cant risk another Challenger or Columbia. Elon can make it work...
Junk the StarGrinder, and let Sierra Space put the Dream Chaser into orbit and bring it back safely. Then they will have the safe-evac bird that is designed to glide back like they promised DECADES ago... and it might even be able to use its module for re-boose as well... unless they are dead set on splashing the ISS... what a waste.
Boeing ceo plus chief engineer to be sent up tobring back the starliner.Would show confidence in capsule.
CEO Dave Calhoun even resigned to deny the whole thing.
Avoid all risks to the crews' well being. Bring them home in a Dragon and then use the updated software to bring the Star Liner home without risking the crew at any level.
Done.
Unbelieveable that the software currently won't support that. Didn't Dragon do a couple of unmanned resupply missions before hoisting men to the station?
@@luddite4change449 So did Starliner. It's confusing and I feel like it's somewhat likely that the issue is more along the lines of a ground configuration option rather than "the software isn't installed"
@@AmbientMorality You would think with a ground configuration issue: a.) that is an relatively easy fix, and b.) Boeing would have already been working the issue for that possibility over the last 6 weeks.
Can’t anyone find a real human to narrate nowadays? Painful
Don't watch then.
It looks like this was built in the 80s , the spacex unit looks light years ahead of Boeing
I've noticed that, too.
They screwed up ! Shouldn't have sent that lemon up there..
The 737 MAX returns to Earth on it's own.
The Starliner can't return to Earth on it's own.
Makes sense.
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They should send a dragon in and use the starliner as a garbage return.
sell the starliner crap to the ferengi
Bring them home in the Dragon.Update the software on Starliner and return it without the crew to be safe.
best solution
Well they've had over 2 months to be working on that (they say it only 4 weeks) so why haven't they managed to get it done in that time? Something else must be wrong with Starliner that they just don't want to disclose?
Ditch Boing .... for good! They lied, hid the full truth and still want to endanger the lives of the crew.
It looks as if Boeing would sacrifice the astronauts just save face. I think they should take the bitter pill and have Crew Dragon bring back the astronauts and then re-program Starliner for the autonomous return.
Thanks for sharing
After not putting redundancy sensors on multy million air plane to maximize profit and killed people the only reason bowing is working with nasa is political pressure and they are willing to kill people only to save face as you said clearly.
Which team of Boeing DEI misfits failed to ensure that ALL the required software was loaded into the flight management system?
This, coming on the heels of Boeing's QC problems with their 737 line earlier this year. If you own Boeing stock, you might want to think about selling.
Boeing is killing it these days 😂
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Why do people keep making videos with so called updated information, then spend 10+ minutes rehashing the same information that’s been out for months?
So, they can't upload a corrected undocking program to Starliner? That's BS!
Its probably windoze software
But they had no problem down loading billions of taxpayers dollars into their pockets. They paid the Boeing CEO $33 million dollars a year.
The decision is being delayed until Boeing senior management can identify some engineers to blame if the thing disintegrates on reentry. "Listen Poindexter, be a team player for once and sign this certification of safety or else". -Boeing Manager
Hmmm... I thought... Hufff... the latest software troubles are not Boeing's first with the Starliner. During the 2019 uncrewed Orbital Flight Test (OFT-1), a software glitch prevented the spacecraft from reaching the International Space Station (ISS). This incident necessitated extensive reviews and remediation efforts, delaying subsequent missions. Despite these efforts, new software issues have emerged, suggesting that the problems are more deeply rooted than initially believed 🥇🇮🇩🥰😘
At what point does common sense trump politics. Time to dump Boeing as a viable contractor.
Boeing is one huge cluster ****!! Problems with everything that flies.
Half a century ago we put men on the moon using slide rules, paper blue prints and a computer that couldnt operate a cell phone. Now we have incalculable computer power, cnc machining, better metalurgy, and we cant get a pair of astronauts off a much closer space station. Is it the modern tech or the people using it that are the problem?
musk said it perfectly. Saturn was built by people who knew how to build a rocket, today, they hire people who run spread sheets and NEVER had hands on. thats why spacex does so well by hiring people who know how. and thats why boeing and nasa is failing .
Lol.... sense in your statement..we put men on the moon in 69 ... yeah like fook 😊
Sorry, but no they didn’t. And still cannot.
@@k.chriscaldwell4141 🤣😂🤣
@@filthyusratus Nonsense. Not only in 1969 did people go to the moon but also in 1971 and 1972. A total of SIX times.
Starliner should never have been given the green light to launch.
And the 2 astonauts shouldn't have gone through with the mission in it now look where they are stuck on the ISS and can't get back to Earth. Oh dear!
And the astronauts said, " If it's Boeing I ain't going."
You are right, their time is not unlimited, the seals deteriorating will continue, and the batteries will also degrade, but not as seriously. The longer it stays there, the greater the chance of "bad" things happening. I can understand the first few days to find out what the issues were, but now they have passed the best chance of getting it down safely.
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Dump Boeing...Space X to the rescue.
Go for Crew Safety. The thing is defective and unpredictable. Dump it by any means. Ain't no saving a failed pile of crap.
Exactly spot on
I don't know what surprises me more, that the boeing junk was allowed to dock with the ss, or that the boeing junk is not blown up
we can see burn marks on the rim in the back of the starliner
Nasa is pretending everything is okay. What kind of test flight was that? This is an epic failure for Starliner
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just borrow an apollo capsule from the museum and they'll be back in no time
Boing is looking at commercial value of its company n doesn't value human life- PERIOD
Send up two dragon's to the ISS each with 2 passengers so that when both dock with the ISS one crew of four can stay on the ISS while the STARBLUNDER crew of two can return safely in the second dragon & NOT A SPACE AGENCY can remote pilot STARBLUNDER into orbit to see if it becomes a shooting star or not.
Thanks for cmt
Undocking and moving the starliner away from the space station manned or automated depends on those pesky thrusters working.
The right thing is for Boeing to tell NASA that they shouldn't use Starliner for Suni and Butch's return. They should even offer to fund Dragon to get them. They would save face and prove to all that it was the right decision to send Starliner back home empty. The consequences of Starliner failing on its way home with astronauts on board would be disastrous for both Boeing and NASA.
@@ethioUSA which has never stopped either before…
I worked for Martin & Marietta’s. Boeing has a management problem! They are to big, top heavy, to many cooks stirring the pot, etc. Elon Musk has proven that the problem with BOEING and all of the rest of them are the same, the military are like children with a new toy, they play with “what ever”, and then they ask can you do this? Making changes to something after the design has been approved is very costly to everyone! The space industry is proving what can be done WITHOUT the Government in the picture!
They care more about their bonuses then the science and safety
using AI narrator is bad
FIRE BILL NELSON!!!
Can't someone go aboard Starliner, manually undock it, and EVA themselves back into an airlock? Let the damn thing sit there alongside as a constant reminder why Boeing shouldn't be trusted with *anything*.
Nearly 10 minutes of fluff that has little to do with the problem described in the subject line of the video.
Some blame needs to go to NASA because they made the decision to launch and carring on with the mission.
So the Northrop Grumman cargo ship problem has nothing to do with SpaceX. That's my take on the situation.
If I was on the Starliner crew, I would tell NASA and Boeing that I'll wait for my Uber, a SpaceX Dragon. Starliner should have never been launched with it pre flight issues before the launch. Re entry has enough risk in a healthy capsule, no reason to add to that risk by having them come home in a capsule that has issues.
@@chuckm6592 - I agree with your overall dislike of this vehicle and the situation. The one thing that might provide some solace is that the RCTs are not required once reentry is underway - the capsule might not ‘steer’ to the desired point (as this is to some extent controlled by attitude during decent), but it should decelerate and land safely.
So provided it can achieve a de-orbit trajectory it should be able to land with only a very slightly elevated risk. The risks might include stuck thruster valves or battery failure, but they would be discovered before the de-orbit burn.
Boeing new trademark should now be changed to say:
"We take you from Point A to Pomt B,
Most of the time!"
Stop wasting money on the ISS and focus on the moon.
Have faith in Boeing’s MBAs and CPAs!
Armstrong could land it on a dime. Only software needed, a kiddie calculator.
Space walk with angle grinder??????
Our aircraft are crap.
OK. Let's play it safe and make spacecraft instead.
Well, at least they can use it like an external porty potty
Hahaha Awesome! The Boeing Sugar Shack!
There's some parts you don't buy from temu.
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Crew 9 mission is listed as "under review", not just "delayed". Four more weeks to try and fix the software?? Then what?? This whole thing reads like a cheap SciFi horror novel.
NASA needs to start being a manager and better manage Arrival/Departures at ISS !!!
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Boeing's present leadership has been preferring revenue over safety. their performance has been marred by multiple commercial aero plane accidents over the past years, and continued issues in its space programs as well.
Yes. Boeing can't build an airplane so what makes you think they could make a space craft. 😅
Going to space is not a routine activity, if something goes wrong, the best action is the safe action.
Ask Russia. Its capsules have been reliable for decades.
The Starliner crew are stranded. They question now is whether they can be brought home safely.
The reason why Apollo was successful was because they trained their crews for ten years and all were test pilots and spent 1000 times more money to get the job done.
Boeing needs to be put out to pasture.
More like purged of greedy board members who put money over safety/quality. And some jail time.
Sorry about the typo. I like the comment of sending up (on SpaceX), the previous CEO of Boeing and the NASA person (s) pressuring for the return up to the space station to bring the Starliner back. They appear to consider the Astronauts expendable, lets see how they think when they have to take the ride down.
Jettison Starliner and cancel the contract.
This might come soon
1 slightly used Starliner, 1 owner, low mileage, well maintained with records, title in hand.
However, due to unforeseen circumstances, you will need to pick vehicle up.
$500.00 obo
"Acceptably Safe"
Just like "Challenger" ?
No one talks about the worst case which would be the loss of the Starliner and its crew while it attempts the return to Earth. There would be a lot of "finger crossing" with the return of the Starliner back to Earth.
SpaceX is the only option I would go with
Why bother with anyone else
ME too
I guess we should be grateful the astronauts made it to the ISS.
Now is the time to bring them back safely.
Well, well well. Stupid Boeing. It turns out lobbyists and bean counters can’t build spacecraft. Golly! Who would have known?
You forgot the DEI employees.
Nasa should demand for the CEO of Boeing to go up there and pilot the detachment and the entry of that Can of troubles. Maybe he will survive, if not ohh well....
Boeing should just start making smart cars then it will have failed at everything. 💩
NASA, put your trust in Boeing, then you can rename the project to the "Starliner MAX"
Maybe China could stop by the ISS on their way back from the moon, and give the stranded Americans a lift home...
Boeing and NASA are both trying so very hard to save this mission, so Starliner can get a pass and gets certified for crewed flights. I can understand that a second system is needed for backup crew flights and the need to find out everything they can about this Starliner mission, BUT!!! All that is being brought out is that Boeing failed on so many levels with this mission, faulty RCS's, leaking seals, missing programming, to say nothing about possibly a faulty chute system from the last flight that's never been retested. They just need to call this a failed mission and use a DragonX to push the Starliner into a decaying orbit and bring home the crew.
And the one thing "The Evidence" will/has to be eject and thence burnt to a crisp before any possible re-entry of this "Apollo" capsule. Boo-ing tried living on shoulders of great engineers, their Grandparents.
And the bean-counters even failed at that.
Bring it home whit no crew please.
Boeing's Starliner's software brought to you by 737-Max MCAS software designers.
OS2 operating system?