WK2 - Air Suspension Fix? (2020)
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- čas přidán 12. 03. 2020
- Our WK2 Quadra Lift Air Suspension went out while we were at Big Bend National Park. We were still able to do a few trails but definitely missed the ground clearance.
In This Video We take the Jeep Grand Cherokee (WK2) in for repairs in the Carlsbad New Mexico Area. We bought the Mopar Extended Warranty and are hoping the repair costs are covered.
Watch the video to find out what was wrong with our beloved WK2 and how much the repairs to the air suspension cost. - Auta a dopravní prostředky
If you get this error message before you take it in check your fuses. I received same error message on my 2018 trail hawk. Check my fuse box on a whim and 40amp fuse was blown $5.54 later she worked fine. This may not always be it but why not check first. The fuse that was blown for me was F5. It’s a square green one. Might also read F05 on some manuals. Good luck
Thanks for sharing your experience with us. Glad you found a honest and reliable Jeep dealer that was able to remedy the problem at no charge. Very good service.
Saxon Steel Thanks for watching. And yes I was happy to find a good dealer! The price was right.
@@ProdigalOverland I enjoy your GC off-road videos. I live in southern Ontario in Canada. I would love to go to Moab Utah someday and run the slick rock. Keep making those great videos. Thanks
@@MEDEDOME We will be heading up through Canada later this year. Or that's the plan if the world does implode from this coronavirus stuff. We are going up to Alaska this summer. Moab is awesome! you should definitely make the time! Thanks for subscribing! and for the feedback
@@ProdigalOverland Your welcome. Be safe keep the shiny side up. BTW I also own a 2018 JLU Rubicon and a 2003 TJ Rubicon. The 2020 GC Trailhawk I ordered will be my 6th Jeep vehicle.
Saxon Steel oh my! Good stuff! Maybe one day I’ll have a couple of Jeeps!
Fun fact about quadra-lift on these. You can leak all the nitrogen out and it the compressor assembly with compensate with air. So what likely happened to you is some sort of module issue and they reset and you're on your way. My money would be on if you disconnected/reconnected the battery you would have never taken it into them. Maybe they refilled it with nitrogen but the fact that they weren't telling the truth from the get-go there is a good chance they were lying about that too. Also worth noting if it really did leak out these vehicles will sit lower than entry/exit. So if you didn't see that then it wasn't the integrity of the "closed" system. Hopefully that helps with any concerns about "why did the nitrogen leak out but they can't find any leaks?" (its because it didn't)
I actually saw recently that it doesn’t actually need the nitrogen in the system. And it wasn’t sagging either. Do you think the cold weather cold affect it?
@@ProdigalOverland not really, it's probably something just got grounded out and caused a little crazy on the module. Usually just reset everything and you're back on your way.
Basically what happens even if the vehicle is off and air is leaking so it starts sagging. It'll level itself back out. So the fact that it was able to maintain without the pump constantly on says it was just a glitch to me. Like I said, probably some ground/moisture somewhere.
@@dustsmoke I know this a 1 yr. old comment, but likely it was partly a product of the harsh vibrations. Those "modules" have circuit boards with little components soldered on, that solder is brittle so vibrations can cause bad connections.
@@ProdigalOverlandyes cold weather affects air system will lock nitrogen works better in cold
I really appreciate that you shared your Air Suspension issue with us, because I'm having the same issue here with 2012 JGC Overland Summit, especially when I try to level it up to "Off Rd 2" and then the message comes up. I just came back from the garage that did a replacement for the rear air suspension. Tomorrow I'll go back to make sure that wither the Air Suspensions fully recharged or not.
I hope you enjoyed with the "Off Road Trails" that you've made in Las Cruces New Mexico.
Any feed back on what was wrong. My front end is almost resting on my tires 😬😬
Cold weather hurts the system. The shop is nice and warm. They need to test it in a cold environment
I still don’t think it’s 100 percent yet. It acts up from time to time
I just had these exact same issue. Took it to the dealer they said depending on what the problem is it could cost me a lot of money or just the cost of the deductible. Since they were backlogged they told me to make an appointment for the following week. When I got home I decided to check the fuse box. Fuse for the compressor was blown. Picked one up from pepboys swapped it out. System is operating normal again.
That’s a cheap fix!
My 2011 WK2 had an issue when I bought it, then no issues until 235,000 miles. My new 2018 had an issue when brand new and no problems since. My experience is they might act up right away or never. The Quadra lift is very reliable.
Well. I’m hoping I had my one and done then😬
Mine started having issues about six months in. Have had it about a year and it’s currently getting a new compressor. Hope you’re right!
Yep, my quadralift has been super reliable.
235,000 miles! wow
If it sags again, or has no fill response, check the hose connection on the top of the front shock column. It’s in the engine compartment. It is a 90 degree elbow and it will have a very slow leak. The seal will go out after bouncing on rocks. It’s a relatively cheap and easy fix, if you don’t buy Mopar line kit. You can get just the elbow. Having just air in the system wasn’t the issue. Gases leak no matter what type.
Great feedback! Thanks 😊
You can actually just replace the o rings in those elbows for about ten cents. I did mine and it fixed my issues.
@@NoClueH2 Where did you get the O-rings?
Shawn Enser I’m a truck driver, so I keep a set of various size o rings in the truck with me. You can buy a selection box on Amazon or most auto parts shops. It’s a little fiddly, but can be done with a hook screwdriver and a set of tweezers. The original o ring is a double thickness o ring, but you can replace it with two of the same diameter. I’ve had zero issues since replacing them.
The original o ring is more of a tube than a ring. I stacked o rings and it still leaked. I ended up get a replacement elbow connection on Amazon.
for the money that jeep cost, they should fix it, wash it, and buy you dinner. If mine goes out i'm throwing a manager through a window repeatedly.
Interesting perspective 😂
They're actually not that expensive compared to what you get... equivalents for other brands will put you into the $80,000 range
I’ve been wanting a 2017 Overland as my next car and the Quadra Lift is specifically the reason why I am concerned... I have had friends ALL have issues with air suspension/hydraulically actuated systems... Vw Touareg, Acura MDX, Lincoln Navigator, heck even the Toyota 4Runner. They ALL seem to go bad after the 5-6 year mark no matter the number of km put on the car...
I would say if you want to be safe. Skip the Quadralift. It’s awesome when it works. And most of the time it does.
U can also switch them out
Awesome dealership service and support. I wish all service departments were as good and customer focused.
You really need to keep that transfer case switch area CLEAN. If crap gets in there, buttons stick and it can make the system throw errors, even leave you stranded. Do not let food, dirt, liquids get in that switch area. clean with a baby wipe often, nothing harsh. vacuum out too as much as you can.
Thank you so much for this point. Since I bought the used WK2 a few months ago, the ride height lowering button has been tacky. Snaps when depressed and slow to raised back out. This could possibly be what’s going on with my Jeep. Thank you for pointing it out.
I will never buy a vehicle with air suspension again. My 2011 jeep grand cherokee overland has had nothing but problems with the air system. Two compressors In two years, one valve block and three lines replaced. $5,000 in two years!!! Absolutely done with air systems.
Wow! That’s a rough pull to take! I think they are great when they are working. But I sure don’t like them when they act up!
My 2013 Grand Cherokee Overland has been in 3 times for Quadlift II issues all in all they just replace parts until they get it fixed and charge you for all of them. The third time the dealership kept the vehicle for 12 days over, $5,000.00 spent so far and that was just the front. When the rear goes I will be switching to The Rocky Road Quadralift replacement lift kit. Had I known then what I know now I would have done the switch before spending a fortune on a system that the dealership just laughs and takes your money for a problem they don't seem to know how to fix.
Shawn Enser that’s terrible! Our has been ok since this time. Hopefully it stays well!
I hit 100K on my 2012 Overland Summit, and at 100,056 miles I got the error message. Suspicious. Anyway, it worked fine after that for a week UNTIL I took it in for an inspection. It’s been haywire ever since. My aero mode only works during my first drive of the day. So frustrated. I feel scammed.
Do you think the air suspension is a positive or negative overall? I'm asking because I am considering a North Edition which has the same off-road/4WD features as the Trailhawk except for the air suspension.
runNride I haven’t had issues since this time in big bend. However some folks have and a fix for it without when In isn’t under warranty can easily be thousands. Where as you could ad a lift to it if you wanted. That would be less likely to fail. There are pros and cons of each.
Quadra Drive 2 is not optional on north edition, so they are still different even without quadra lift.
After you problems I purchased the 5 year warranty for my 2020. Thanks for the info. I wonder if it was a low charge from the factory. Good luck and be safe.
Yep get the Mopar Warranty
How big is your travel trailer and how do the mirrors work for you? Supposed to be getting a 25 ft 6,000 lbs toy hauler. Would love to know more info about the size and weight of yours and how your experience has been.
We had some generic tow mirrors. Ours was about the same weight. You’ll definitely want good anti sway bars and a brake controller. And I’d weigh your rig and watch the tongue weight. We were riding heavy and still would get some sway on windy days even with the anti sway bars. Out 5.7 pulls it fine.
I replaced the air suspension with the spring suspension system and now I am comfortable with myself and my car in case the system crashes
Saeed Alzahrani I can understand that. Did you change your tire size as well?
I added 2.5-inch height spacers and 275/65/18 tires
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@@hajs2011 how's the ride?
@@hajs2011 my friend your conversion doesn’t affect the 4lo conversion? And snow , mud , rock features ?
Currently having this problem 🤦🏾♂️
I’m having this issue NOW 😢
If there was no leaks where did the nitrogen go ? It’s a closed system.
Thanks for the update man. It would have been nice to know why this happened. Nonetheless, can't wait to see you doing more off roading
Definitely more off roading soon. Thanks 😊
This is my only fear of owning our 2019 Trailhawk. I hope I can get 4-5 years without any issues.
I ordered a 2020 GC Trailhawk. Waiting for the delivery from Detroit. There is a company in the USA called Strut Master's they can set up any Jeep GC owner with cheaper stock replacement struts when the air ones fail. That is what I will do in the future if and when my decide to die! But hopefully they will last 5-7 years. Good Luck to you.
Hopefully it’s not an issue again for us. .......hopefully 🙄
My factory air struts in the front didn't go out until 186,000 miles. My rears are still original at 200,000. These are hard off road, road trip miles too.
I own a 2015 GC Summit with the quadralift. It’s still working fine in 2020. Hopefully I get a few more years out of it.
I noticed the ladder on the back of the car. Can you tell me more about it? Where, when? how much?
Thanks
Wayne
it's from gobi racks out of Colorado
Nitrogen molecules are smaller than the system was designed for and will constantly leak, just slowly
The stealership has no idea what was wrong . I just put on a strutmaster conversion kit after spending thousands.
Oh man. That sucks. Hopefully the strutmaster treats you better!
I'm looking at a Grand Cherokee Overland w/ the diesel any out there with reliability issues over the gas engine? thanks
Hi Jeff I don't have enough experience with the Diesel engines. I have met a few owners. that have had them One was happy the other had had issues.
Nice video, subscriped.
I love Las Cruces.
Why do so many Tubers have to ruin a helpful video with lousy music insertions?
so your fix was to take it to the dealer, wow
You in
I didnt have any issues with my quadra lift BUT the ride in OR2 was terrible. The suspension tops out on every bump and is so stiff you wouldn't know it moved! The other issue is a independent suspension doesn't flex much, the stiff suspension makes it flex even less. I have now swapped to an OME coil kit from rock road outfitters. This is way better! If you tow ask for the stiffer rear coils. The air suspension is cool but off road it's useless.
Any issues with the conversion? I totally agree with the stiffness issues
@@ProdigalOverland
Very hardy SUV and reliable !!
I have a request if you are in contact with representatives of a Jeep, then tell them for Russia they made the most reliable jeep!
There is one Jeep Grand Cherokee in 2013 with a 3.6 engine, it has a mileage of almost 800,000 thousand kilometers or 497,096,954 thousand miles !! Not a problem except a broken gearbox !!
@@ProdigalOverland I initially had a clunk but found a loose nut on top of the strut. It's much better, no more "top out clunk" that I had with the air system plus you keep the ride height at speed. I found myself driving at just the right speed on rough roads to maintain or1 height. I also had to go back to or2 to clear drainage ditches so I was always adjusting it. I get the service air system message at startup but I think I found a way to delete it permanently.
@@husqvarna151 como lo lograste el eliminar el mensaje???
Too much face time idont watch to look at you