Michael Kruger (Session 3): Is the New Testament Historically Reliable or Morally Offensive?
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- Dr. Michael J Kruger is the President of Reformed Theological Seminary in Charlotte.
Recorded at Christ Community Church in Wilmington, NC on October 6, 2017. Filmed by Philip Varvaris.
I've seen enough of Dr. Kruger to know that he is about as solid as it gets in this area. I will buy his books on Amazon.
(Psalms 147:20) He hath not dealt so with any nation: and as for his judgments, they have not known them. Praise ye the LORD.
I wish he would stop assuming anyone who has serious questions about the Bible have bad motives or bad hearts. There are some things in the Bible that are incredibly difficult to understand.
(Psalms 147:19) He sheweth his word unto Jacob, his statutes and his judgments unto Israel.
Also, not all questions and critical analysis of the Bible are "attacks". Geesh.
Thank you for your work! It’s a huge help.
The moral claim isn't about the person's opinion or preference based on their own moral norms conflicting with the Bible. The issue is the Bible seems to contradict its own moral norms. The moral norms skeptics hold usually are based in Biblical morality, not on their own invention.
Is there a way to get the same content from the app, online on a PC?.. Getting the app and downloading things and transferring them to the PC from a phone is faff...
WHAT?!? Free class audio???
Ok here is what bugs me about this. This is all about dealing with people with questions about the Bible but Michael Kruger doesn't answer the actual questions (God sening everyone to hell, etc.) and issues brought up. So this titlte should be how to answer people about the Bible.
cell phone sound !!
trade in the fancy suit jacket for a quality microphone - sounds like you're in a restroom stall
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He would last ten minutes with a true Jesus historian.Bart erhman
Lol 😂. Ehrman a "true historian" rofl. Still peddling the outdated ideas of theology of the 40s to 70s. Believe me, if you knew more about theology, you'd know all these the outdated and rather basic ideas he took from the theologians before him.
He's an "anti-apologist" with about the same bias as the people he debates. The problem is that very few true scholars are interested in CZcams debates. That's why the level of most of these debates never gets any further than what one would learn in a first semester introduction course at a decent university when studying theology.
Just a few hints:
Rudolf Bultmann, Eugen Drewermann, Albert Schweitzer and the "life of Jesus" line of theology, "Formkritik", etc. It's all been done before and you should look into all the arguments on both sides before trusting Ehrman just because he can debate the low hanging fruit.
@@MrSeedi76 Excellent commentary, however, one correction. Ehrman can't even debate the "low-hanging fruit". Over and over again in debates, Ehram's claim is "WE DON'T HAVE THE ORIGINAL WRITING". No authentica documents. Which, this presentation by Kruger, answers that objection/concern.
There's a reason why Ehrman would never debate the best minds. He's been ducking James White for decades now.
Dear friend give me few minutes to explain my belief
Islam and Jesus and Mary
We muslims are in middle , between the Jews and Christians, when it comes to Jesus and Mary peace be upon them both. Jews speak ill of him and his mother and christians say he is GOD or the son of GOD or GOD him self or one in 3, we muslims with the grace of GOD say ,He was the messiah and the messenger of GOD just like the other messengers ,Abraham,Moses,Noah ..David and rest of them .They all came with the same message, even though the rules and regulations changed but basic message never changed ,Adam being the first prophet and the father of humanity (who was bowed down to by the Angels,(created by light) As respect for Adam not as worship ,all of the Angels compiled to this order of Allah except iblees ,who said you created me from fire (he was a jinn) and created him(Adam) from clay(the jinn race were created from smoke less fire and were on earth before us and are still present ,iblees was,not a fallen angle, jinns are a creation of free will like us .hidden from human eyes and are able to transform in to humans and animals and also able to fly ,Allah will judge them just like us and their destination either physical paradise or physical hell fire after physical resurrection, ) and Muhammad peace be upon him being the last prophet and messenger. all of them called to the worship of One GOD , peace be upon them all.
ALLAH (jews and Christians in middle east have been calling GOD ,Allah(which is his original Name) for centuries ,even the present day bible in arabic says Allah as GOD'
Allah has no likeness to his creation,his names and attributes are all perfect , He is above his creation,above his throne (The Throne is bigger than the universe and more) in a way which befits him , He is alone ,
like it is said in the bible ,listen oh Israel the Lord is our GOD The Lord is alone .In the Quran Allah says
,,Say He is Allah the ONE, Allah the eternal,He does not beget and He is not begotten and there is no one like him . Quran chapter 112
The Prophets and Messengers before Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him,were send to a particular community of people ,Moses to his people,Noah to his people and Jesus to the children of Israel
Jesus said “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
but the last Prophet and Messenger Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him and all the Prophets)
Allah send him to all of the mankind until day of judgment
Say, [O Muhammad], "O mankind, indeed I am the Messenger of Allah to you all Quran chapter 7.158. Prophet Muhammad is also Prophesied in the bible
Well then, who are you?" they asked. "Are you Elijah?" "No," he replied. "Are you the Prophet we are expecting?" "No." Join 1,21
According to this the Jews were waiting for a Prophet who is not John the Baptist peace be upon him and John the Baptist is also confirming that there is a another Prophet which is not The Messiah , so read Isaiah 29-12
And when they give the book to one who cannot read, saying, “Read this,” he says, “I cannot read.”
This Prophecy is for no other than Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. It has been narrated in
Sahih al-Bukhari 3-The angel came to him and asked him to read. The Prophet replied, "I do not know how to read." The Prophet added, "Then the angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read and I replied, 'I do not know how to read.'" ...
Quran is the only word of GOD preserved in its original form, it has dozens of miracles ,including scientific and historical ,like the big bang , expansion of the universe, every living thing is created from water ,embryology in details ,black holes ,mountains as pegs ,different types of clouds ,water circle, Queen bee ,genders in plants ,Iron not from earth rather send down, ants speaking to each other , the preservation of the body of pharaoh as sign from Allah for the oppressors and much much more ,just type Islam and science and the above mentioned things in internet ,u tube and be surprised .May Allah guide the christians they can't prove the authenticity of the 4 gospels ,which were written 70-90 years after jesus ,mark and Luke never met Jesus , the title according to mathew was added in the second century and the gospel of John was written the last after 70 years of Jesus ,yet John suppose to be the beloved.
Don't forget in the council of Nicaea 325 years after Jesus ,the emperor and bishops rejected all those Gospels which mentioned That Jesus was the Messenger and the Messiah NOT the Son of GOD. Even authors of the revised standard version bible comprising of 50 scholars has declared that the word BEGOTTEN and trinity in John as
FABRICATION and not part of the bible.
Islam does not allow any intermediates between Allah and his creation. One is ordered to worship ALLAH directly seeking His help and forgiveness, All sins will be forgiven by Allah (GOD )with the exception of The sin association partners with Allah ,e.g. saying Jesus is GOD Or son of GOD ,in this case eternity in hell fire (I pray all those who read this,that Allah opens their hearts to Islam
As for Mary she is considers the woman of all times so much so that there is a whole chapter in the Quran in her name called soora muryam
GOD say in soora Aal-e-Imran َا3,42
And [mention] when the angels said, "O Mary, indeed Allah has chosen you and purified you and chosen you above the women of the worlds,
O Mary, be devoutly obedient to your Lord and prostrate and bow with those who bow [in prayer]."
(And mention] when the angels said, Mary, indeed Allah gives you good tidings of a word from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary - distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near [to Allah ].in 3:46ّ
He will speak to the people in the cradle and in maturity and will be of the righteous.in 3,47
She said, "My Lord, (Allah ,GOD)how will I have a child when no man has touched me?" [The angel] said, "Such is Allah ; He creates what He wills. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, 'Be,' and it is.َّ
And in Quran ,chapter 3-59 GOD says
Indeed, the example of Jesus to Allah is like that of Adam. He created Him from dust; then He said to him, "Be," and he was.
Jesus Not crucified
And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah ." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.4,157
Jesus will declare his innocence in front of Allah (GOD) on the day of judgment Al-Ma'idah 5:116
And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah ?'" He will say, "Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen. Al-Ma'idah 5:117ٌ
I said not to them except what You commanded me - to worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them as long as I was among them; but when You took me up, You were the Observer over them, and You are, over all things, Witness. Al-Ma'idah 5:118
,we muslims also believe in the second coming of Jesus peace be upon him
Jesus will return to kill the false messiah (dajal) and rule on earth as a just ruler and command the human beings to worship ALLAH alone ,just like what He did when He was on earth for the first time
I pray all of you out there ,who seek nearness to Allah (GOD), that He guides you to Islam and showers his mercy on you,
As Allah said to prophet Moses ,my mercy encompasses every thing (Quran chapter,7)Ameen pease
Peace be upon you my brother. I say this out of love for you for your considerations.
If Quran is revealed word of God, why did it make the theological mistake of misunderstanding the Christian Trinity as God, Jesus, and Mary?
The Quran (Sura 5)
[116] And when Allah will say: O Isa son of Marium! did you say to men, Take me and my mother for two gods besides Allah he will say: Glory be to Thee, it did not befit me that I should say what I had no right to (say); if I had said it, Thou wouldst indeed have known it; Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I do not know what is in Thy mind, surely Thou art the great Knower of the unseen things.
Quran says to believe that the God of the Bible and Allah is One, and Muslims are to believe in what has been revealed in Bible as well:
The Quran (Sura 29)
[46] And do not dispute with the followers of the Book except by what is best, except those of them who act unjustly, and say: We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you, and our Allah and your Allah is One, and to Him do we submit.
Quran declared that the Torah(Tavrat) and the Gospel (Injeel) are revealed by Allah:
The Quran (Sura 3)
[3] He has revealed to you the Book with truth, verifying that which is before it, and He revealed the Tavrat and the Injeel aforetime, a guidance for the people, and He sent the Furqan. [4] Surely they who disbelieve in the communications of Allah they shall have a severe chastisement; and Allah is Mighty, the Lord of retribution.
Allah says there is none who can change His words, so how can our Torah and the Gospel be corrupted?
The Quran (Sura 18)
[27] And recite what has been revealed to you of the Book of your Lord, there is none who can alter His words; and you shall not find any refuge besides Him.
If the gospel is corrupted, why Quran still says Christians still has the word during the time of Mohammad? How can Christians find Mohammad mentioned in the Gospel , if the Gospel has been corrupted centuries earlier? Start of Islam around AD 610, the gospel were written within the lifetime of the Apostles within the First Century. So you will trust something that is written about Jesus 600 years after Jesus and not trust something that was written within the lifetime of the Apostles of Jesus within the first century?
The Quran (Sura 7)
[157] Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel (who) enjoins them good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their burden and the shackles which were upon them; so (as for) those who believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
Quran maintains that the Gospel is authoritative for Christians.
The Quran (Sura 5)
[68] Say: O followers of the Book! you follow no good till you keep up the Taurat and the Injeel and that which is revealed to you from your Lord; and surely that which has been revealed to you from your Lord shall make many of them increase in inordinacy and unbelief; grieve not therefore for the unbelieving people.
Allah commands Christians to judge by the Gospel. Why will Allah command Christians to judge by a corrupted book? And since the Gospel contradicts the Quran, and we are to obey Allah to judge by the Gospel, then is the Quran false?
The Quran (Sura 5)
[47] And the followers of the Injeel should have judged by what Allah revealed in it; and whoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the transgressors.
Even Mohammad was commanded by Allah to go to Christians for confirmation in times of doubts. Muslims today thought the Quran stands in judgement of the Bible, but in the Quran, it is exactly the opposite: the Bible stands in Judgement over the Quran.
The Quran (Sura 10)
[94] But if you are in doubt as to what We have revealed to you, ask those who read the Book before you; certainly the truth has come to you from your Lord, therefore you should not be of the disputers.
The Dilemma
1. The Dilemma the Quran puts to our Muslim friends: Either Christians have the inspired , preserved, authoritative Word of God, or they don’t.
2. If Bible is true, then is the Quran false? Because it contradicts the Bible.
3. If Bible is not the inspired preserved Word of God, then is the Quran false? Because the Quran affirms the inspiration, preservation and authority of the Bible.
4. If the Bible is corrupted before the writing of the Quran, then why the Quran affirms the Bible is true? If the Bible is corrupted after the writing of the Quran, then how come the Gospel we have today still says the same message as the more than five thousand copies of the New Testament manuscripts dating as early as 2nd Century AD that we still have today?
5. By affirming the Bible that contradicts Quran's core teachings, Quran contradicts itself.
Peace and love be upon you my brother, I pray may God reveal the truth to you and you examine these questions with an open heart.