Michael Kruger (Session 2): Has the New Testament Been Changed or Corrupted?
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- Dr. Michael J Kruger is the President of Reformed Theological Seminary in Charlotte
Recorded at Christ Community Church in Wilmington, NC on October 6, 2017. Filmed by Philip Varvaris.
God said he would preserve his word
But he said that many false prophets would come in his name and deceive MANY
If you love Gods WORD don’t believe them hold true to HIS TRUTH and study to show yourself APPROVED
Many copies of manuscript for cross referencing is important especially when early christians do not have printing machine back then but mistakes might've occurred along the scribal process. This doesn't mean the whole context/message of the copies are changing due to typographical error.
S. Kasparov - I 100% agree with you
soli Deo gloria
This guy forgot to mention 94% of our New Testament manuscripts come from year 899CE and on and the 6% we do have are random fragments some as small as a credit card size
No problem with that sir...at least everything found from the smallest fragments to the oldest fragments all agree on basic essential Christian doctrine...so go and find another space to vent your unbelief.
1:34 no. We know for sure Paul wrote 7 of the letters himself
This is the Mormon argument
How so?
By concerning our thoughts about scribes we doubt Gods hands upon His preserving scripture.
That sound so theological claim rather than historical right?...
If Erasmus had only a handful of those manuscripts to work with , how can that be an accurate reflection of the text of the Bible in the same way as the Critical Text? Is the TR idea needing a redefinition in light of more recent discoveries? Is WCF 1:8 incorrect to a degree ?
We don’t know what all Erasmus had. The big lie is that he only had a handful of copies with no evidence to the contrary. He had what was received throughout history as the text Christians used. It’s the critical text that’s been corrupted by Wescott and Hort and his minions.
a mischaracterization of Ehrmen's argument. Not a thoughtful rebuttal.
Nobody cares about Ehrman anyway with his outdated theories from the "Formkritik" of the 40s and the "introduction literature" to the gospels from the 70's. In all the debates I saw with Ehrman (and it was more than I care to admit) he never came up with one single argument going beyond those first semester tropes, which might be interesting to someone who never heard of those theories. Not ever mentioning all the holes of these theories - granted, the people he debates are often very low hanging fruit but so is he. The theology debates on CZcams are at such a low level that I wonder how all these people got their "Ph D.s" and professorships.
P52 is tiny. It contains only a few verses from the Gospel according to John. An early date is 125 CE. It could be even from the beginning from the 3rd century.
one 125 CE is not the earliest date... that is a very liberal assumption.
Bringing Egypt into your talk is where gnostic writing is found why ever go there.
There are heretics everywhere, where would you go?
Into the AV
@@yfffadkcud6201 The manuscripts that the AV is based off of are from the Byzantine family. I could make the same claim that is where Arian writing is found so why even go there?
Was the kid reading Harry Potter?
Probably right I think
Without accepting the authority of the Christian orthodox church, which preserved it, there is no rebuttal to the corruption. Erhman saw this and decided to reject the Bible. I, however, believe inspiration of scripture is concomitant with preservation and the correction of the text. It is a communal text interpeted and preserved by the Chrostian community.
Ultimately scripture is self-authenticating. The church only recognized which books bore the marks of divinity.
Orthodox Christian Therapy of The Soul FrMoody - i totally agree with you
That's some weird form of argumentation.
We have plenty ov them in back yard
Sorry, thought I was answering a text from my daughter
Isn't King James Bible the one true Bible? I heard that it was the scroll you read about in Zechariah chapter 5 - and it landed in Cambridge in 1611
That's funny ;-)
No, and it's good that this isn't the case because non English speakers would be screwed to say the least. KJV is good but even it falls short in certain areas.
A pagan occult secret society has put their own mark on scripture THAT IS WHY WE ARE TOLD WE WILL KNOW HIS VOICE AND WORDS AND HE KNOWS HIS FLOCK SO IF WHAT U HEAR IS UNHOLY AGINST GOD ITS NOT FROM HIM.
Dear friend give me few minutes to explain my belief
Islam and Jesus and Mary
We muslims are in middle , between the Jews and Christians, when it comes to Jesus and Mary peace be upon them both. Jews speak ill of him and his mother and christians say he is GOD or the son of GOD or GOD him self or one in 3, we muslims with the grace of GOD say ,He was the messiah and the messenger of GOD just like the other messengers ,Abraham,Moses,Noah ..David and rest of them .They all came with the same message, even though the rules and regulations changed but basic message never changed ,Adam being the first prophet and the father of humanity (who was bowed down to by the Angels,(created by light) As respect for Adam not as worship ,all of the Angels compiled to this order of Allah except iblees ,who said you created me from fire (he was a jinn) and created him(Adam) from clay(the jinn race were created from smoke less fire and were on earth before us and are still present ,iblees was,not a fallen angle, jinns are a creation of free will like us .hidden from human eyes and are able to transform in to humans and animals and also able to fly ,Allah will judge them just like us and their destination either physical paradise or physical hell fire after physical resurrection, ) and Muhammad peace be upon him being the last prophet and messenger. all of them called to the worship of One GOD , peace be upon them all.
ALLAH (jews and Christians in middle east have been calling GOD ,Allah(which is his original Name) for centuries ,even the present day bible in arabic says Allah as GOD'
Allah has no likeness to his creation,his names and attributes are all perfect , He is above his creation,above his throne (The Throne is bigger than the universe and more) in a way which befits him , He is alone ,
like it is said in the bible ,listen oh Israel the Lord is our GOD The Lord is alone .In the Quran Allah says
,,Say He is Allah the ONE, Allah the eternal,He does not beget and He is not begotten and there is no one like him . Quran chapter 112
The Prophets and Messengers before Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him,were send to a particular community of people ,Moses to his people,Noah to his people and Jesus to the children of Israel
Jesus said “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
but the last Prophet and Messenger Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him and all the Prophets)
Allah send him to all of the mankind until day of judgment
Say, [O Muhammad], "O mankind, indeed I am the Messenger of Allah to you all Quran chapter 7.158. Prophet Muhammad is also Prophesied in the bible
Well then, who are you?" they asked. "Are you Elijah?" "No," he replied. "Are you the Prophet we are expecting?" "No." Join 1,21
According to this the Jews were waiting for a Prophet who is not John the Baptist peace be upon him and John the Baptist is also confirming that there is a another Prophet which is not The Messiah , so read Isaiah 29-12
And when they give the book to one who cannot read, saying, “Read this,” he says, “I cannot read.”
This Prophecy is for no other than Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. It has been narrated in
Sahih al-Bukhari 3-The angel came to him and asked him to read. The Prophet replied, "I do not know how to read." The Prophet added, "Then the angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read and I replied, 'I do not know how to read.'" ...
Quran is the only word of GOD preserved in its original form, it has dozens of miracles ,including scientific and historical ,like the big bang , expansion of the universe, every living thing is created from water ,embryology in details ,black holes ,mountains as pegs ,different types of clouds ,water circle, Queen bee ,genders in plants ,Iron not from earth rather send down, ants speaking to each other , the preservation of the body of pharaoh as sign from Allah for the oppressors and much much more ,just type Islam and science and the above mentioned things in internet ,u tube and be surprised .May Allah guide the christians they can't prove the authenticity of the 4 gospels ,which were written 70-90 years after jesus ,mark and Luke never met Jesus , the title according to mathew was added in the second century and the gospel of John was written the last after 70 years of Jesus ,yet John suppose to be the beloved.
Don't forget in the council of Nicaea 325 years after Jesus ,the emperor and bishops rejected all those Gospels which mentioned That Jesus was the Messenger and the Messiah NOT the Son of GOD. Even authors of the revised standard version bible comprising of 50 scholars has declared that the word BEGOTTEN and trinity in John as
FABRICATION and not part of the bible.
Islam does not allow any intermediates between Allah and his creation. One is ordered to worship ALLAH directly seeking His help and forgiveness, All sins will be forgiven by Allah (GOD )with the exception of The sin association partners with Allah ,e.g. saying Jesus is GOD Or son of GOD ,in this case eternity in hell fire (I pray all those who read this,that Allah opens their hearts to Islam
As for Mary she is considers the woman of all times so much so that there is a whole chapter in the Quran in her name called soora muryam
GOD say in soora Aal-e-Imran َا3,42
And [mention] when the angels said, "O Mary, indeed Allah has chosen you and purified you and chosen you above the women of the worlds,
O Mary, be devoutly obedient to your Lord and prostrate and bow with those who bow [in prayer]."
(And mention] when the angels said, Mary, indeed Allah gives you good tidings of a word from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary - distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near [to Allah ].in 3:46ّ
He will speak to the people in the cradle and in maturity and will be of the righteous.in 3,47
She said, "My Lord, (Allah ,GOD)how will I have a child when no man has touched me?" [The angel] said, "Such is Allah ; He creates what He wills. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, 'Be,' and it is.َّ
And in Quran ,chapter 3-59 GOD says
Indeed, the example of Jesus to Allah is like that of Adam. He created Him from dust; then He said to him, "Be," and he was.
Jesus Not crucified
And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah ." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.4,157
Jesus will declare his innocence in front of Allah (GOD) on the day of judgment Al-Ma'idah 5:116
And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah ?'" He will say, "Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen. Al-Ma'idah 5:117ٌ
I said not to them except what You commanded me - to worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them as long as I was among them; but when You took me up, You were the Observer over them, and You are, over all things, Witness. Al-Ma'idah 5:118
,we muslims also believe in the second coming of Jesus peace be upon him
Jesus will return to kill the false messiah (dajal) and rule on earth as a just ruler and command the human beings to worship ALLAH alone ,just like what He did when He was on earth for the first time
I pray all of you out there ,who seek nearness to Allah (GOD), that He guides you to Islam and showers his mercy on you,
As Allah said to prophet Moses ,my mercy encompasses every thing (Quran chapter,7)Ameen pease
In this case the trouble is shall we answer a fool according to his folly or not? I say yes. You do not know the scriptures. They clearly are the Words of God. God Breathed. And God's name is Yahweh. This name is ascribed many times to Christ Jesus. The text you cite if read in context do not speak of Muhammad. Honestly, read them. Listen to the debates between James White and Shabir Ally. God has spoken in these 40 authors over 1500 years and then 600 years later a madman comes along and we are supposed to stop worshipping Yahweh as He has revealed Himself and believe Muhammad and you? No thank you. God has spoken in these last days, finally in His Son, Jesus Christ. Unless you believe that he is the Ego Eime, the I Am, you will die in your sins. There is only one way to atone for sins- the death burial and resurrection of Christ. Repent and believe or stand before Him on the last day and be cast into eternal torment. I do not wish this for you or any of your compatriots. Though your prophet and now many of those who call themselves followers of him kill and destroy and more subtly try to decieve and lead astray, we still love you and want you to come to Christ. He is the truth and the way and the life. EXCLUSIVELY! AWAKE AND RISE FROM THE DEAD.
If you need specific refutation of your position, listen to aomin.org or the debates between James White and Shabir Ally on "Is Muhammad prophesied in the Bible part 1 and Is Jesus prophesied in the Old Testament? Part 2" peace be upon you in Christ Jesus alone
In the beginning Allah created the heavens and earth ,
as it is said in the Arabic bible ,
Say Allah is one ,Allah the Eternal
He does not beget nor is He forgotten and there is none like Him
Quran sura alaklas
Allah is alone
,,when they greet the foolish one s
They say peace ,,
Suraa fuqan
Peace ,,Allah is alone
@@bridegroomministries1212 Thank you for saving me to answer as your response was as perfect as our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!
Isaiah 29:12 is not a prophetic passage. Read in context please. That’s not even close to a prophesy of muhammed. The “prophet” in John was Jesus. The Jews were expecting a final prophet who would be the messiah, which was Christ Jesus. The Bible never mentions muhammed
Now, going to your argument on the church fathers, it is incorrect. The NT cannon was there way before that meeting, in fact, 22 out of the 27 were canon early on. The gnostics were taken out due to them not being eye witness gospels
That brings me to your claim about Mark and Luke. Luke says he got his info from eyewitnesses (Luke 1) and Mark was a scribe of Peter, an eyewitness.
Jesus is the mediator between God and man, not muhammed. Jesus died for your sins. There is one God, and He sent Jesus to die for you. He loves you.
KJV has been the best version
All others have errors
Jesus in his life time never used the bible and put under his arm and begin his preaching to his people..what he preached is the TRuTH/GOSPEL..Only ONE GOSPEL of JESUS..NOT the Gospels today.According to mark..According to Luke.According to mattew.According to John..Who are these people...? No one knows who they are..JESUS Never Write a Word in his life time nor his disiples..READ QURAN/Translation..THE PRESERVE BOOK with NO CONTRADiCTiONS..NO ERRORS..PRESERVE in MEMORY and WRiTTEN TEXT till TODAY..and its ONLY ONE BOOK...Have you Read them today..?😊
Check out Yaser Qadi... holes in the Quran. Might set the record straight for you. By the way, because Uthman burned so many texts of the Quran you don't have the same wealth of textual evidence like the Bible.
@@timonvandoleweerd3499 Al QURAN is being MeMorized by MUHAMMAD S.A.W and HiS COMPANiONS since it was Revealed..Then also preserved in Writing by His Companions...THE PRESERVATiON of QURAN has been practise by Millions Muslim too..Lets say if TODAY the Entire Quran that we have today in all over the World is thrown under the Seas or Burn...Muslim will EASiLY bring back Entire QURAN as it ORiGiNAL...by asking One boy(Hafiz/memorize Quran) from China,1 from USA,1 from Indonesia,1 from Canada,1 from Arab saudi,1 from Spain,1 from Nigeria,1 from U.K and so on...Bible is the same thing happen to the Bible...it is IMPOSSiBLE...as NO ONE MEMORIZE the Entire Bible's...am i Right on this...😊
So, but which version was memorized? We have different...
@@truthvsfalsehood3924 Yeah which of the seven recitations are you memorizing? Also, can you point to us to one complete Quran manuscript or a copy from the time Uthman. The Quran that you are memorizing was probably the 1922 Egyptian Quran
No he just had it memorized, constantly held people accountable to it, quoted it, and said things like, "have you not read what God spoke saying..." Then he quoted scripture! He quoted it in the wilderness. He said "man does not live on bread alone but on every word that proceeds from the mouth of God." He called it the Law the prophets and the writings. And on and on. Just exactly what are you talking about anyway? What foolishness gets in to your mind to make you want to say that the Very Word of God himself is somehow not carrying a Bible under his arm as though that means anything? How anachronistic is that? What a out the parable wherein the rich man and Lazarus both die and the rich man in hell wants to warn his brothers so they won't go to hell. What does it say? They have Moses and the Prophets! That's the Bible sir!