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DORNIAN HERESY: WARHAMMER IN THE MULTIVERSE OF MADNESS | Warhammer 40k Lore
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It is a time of legend.
The Galaxy is in flames. The Emperor's glorious vision for Humanity is in ruins. His most stalwart son, Rogal Dorn, has turned from his father's light and embraced the Ruinous Powers.
His armies, the mighty and redoubtable Space Marines, are locked in a brutal civil war. Once, these ultimate warriors fought side by side as brothers, protecting the galaxy and bringing Mankind back into the Emperor's light. Now they are divided.
Some remain loyal to the Emperor, whilst others have sided with the Arch-Betrayer. Pre-eminent amongst them, the leaders of their thousands-strong Legions are the Primarchs. Magnificent, superhuman beings, they are the crowning achievement of the Emperor's genetic science. Thrust into battle against one another, victory is uncertain for either side.
Worlds are burning. At Isstvan V, Dorn dealt a vicious blow and three loyal Legion were all but destroyed. War was begun, a conflict that will engulf all Mankind in fire. Treachery and betrayal have usurped honour and nobility. Assassins lurk in every shadow. Armies are gathering. All must choose a side or die.
Dorn musters his armada, Terra itself the object of his wrath. Seated upon the Golden Throne, the Emperor awaits for his wayward son to return. But His true enemy is Chaos, a primordial force that seeks to enslave Mankind to its capricious whims.
The Age of Knowledge and enlightenment has ended. The Age of Darkness has begun.
I love how the most unrealistic part of this theory is Big E being a reasonable and good father
You dare to doubt HIS ability to be good father? HE can be good father, HE just didn't want to.
yeah HE could have been good to Angron Lorgora and Conrad BUT HE JUST WANTED HIS ELDARS PROSTITUTES@@EN-mh4og
@@EN-mh4ogwell, His wants really aren't lining up with His NEEDS, now are they?
Also, the reason the Death Guard didn't play much of a part in the Dornian Heresy is because they got temporarily trapped in the web way and ended up engaging in a long term Siege against Commorragh and by the time they got out and when the last death guard Marine left out the front door, they had weakened the dark city to such an extent that, Slaanesh was able to break through the weakend walls of the Dark City. And when I say Slaanesh, i don't mean her Army of demonettes, I mean the god herself ripped through the walls and ate up the Dark City. So no more Dark Eldar.
Truely the best of bois
Couldn't have happened to a nicer group.
oh
my
B A S E D
One word: N I C E
Oh my god, i never throught i'd call the death guard based, but like holy emprah
The Blood Angels falling to Nurgle gives me an image of mosquitos.
Blood-sucking parasites that are considered some of the deadliest creatures on earth due to the sheer amount of deadly diseases they spread.
Also Mortarion's Daemon Primarch form kind of looks like a diseased Angel as well so the Nurgle aesthetic would kind of fit Sanguinius as well.
Yeah more like ghouls than vampires but still awesome
that and AIDS...
yeah that parasite/carrion-eater vibe.
It's giving the same kind of vibe as the Crimson Court from Darkest Dungeon
I like part of the alternate lore for loyalist Worldeaters, that they remain melee-focused because they don't believe in indiscriminate killing; they face the enemy up close so they can properly see who they are.
That's really cool, actually. A nice twist on it that keeps their gameplay/fighting identity!
Just wanna say, Death Guard being part of the inquisition makes perfect sense in this canon. Mortarion was always about witch hunting, which would make them really good and experienced at hunting down heretics.
Oh shit, excellent point! 👏
Yeah, now that you bring up Mortarian’s burning hatred for witches and warp users, my thoughts are “Yeah, that tracks”
I wa surprised that Dk and Bricky didn't get it: hates spykers and chaos, inquisition hunts spykers and chaos
Also Nathaniel Guerro exists
Cannot forget my boy, Battle Captain Nathaniel Garrow!
The Dornian Heresy would be short lived in Adeptus Rediculous lore because of Dorne's inability to read
but here the thing:
evil dorn CAN read
thats why he is so evil
Dorn can read he just refused to do so after what he saw Lorgar was doing.
To quote lord adorable "I do not wish to copulate with his book father, I have only seen lorgar do such a thing."
Dorn CAN read it's RUSS THAT CANT READ
@@jessenielsen7218 yes, but really early on, DK misheard something, so for like 9 months, the joke on the channel was that Dorn can't read.
He wouldn't move all the way to Terra. Why? Because the best offense is a good defense. B)
If I remember correctly, Jhagatai Khan was eventually modified by Slannesh into a daemonic centaur, so that he could forever feel the wind on his face as he ran down his victims, and then puree'd them with his sword skills when he caught them.
This made me feel an excess of emotions alright
In the future, DK and Bricky should put another goal where they would delve into Roboutian Heresy. It's more streamlined and has an actual story beyond said heresy which is still ongoing even now.
I love Gulliman so this is something I need.
The Roboutian Heresy has Ciaphas Cain leading the defense of Cadia and becoming an Living Saint
Also the story got an update like yesterday. So that's a funny coincidence xp
WE'RE IN THE END TIMES BABYYY!!! CHEMOS DELENDE EST!!
Yes! This! I was going to say this if I didn't find a comment about them doing the Roboutian Heresy. The part where Titus is so goddamn angry that he breaks mind control is amazing.
I like to think that blood angles fell to nurgle based on original vampire lore. Them being bloated dead corpses who appear at night to drain the blood of the living.
They need to eat brains in order to stay sain.
@@garpogods8323 Drinking blood from uncorrupted beings cleans Nurgle's influence over them but they cannot escape him and the black rage happens when Grandpa Nurgle's "blessings" spreads on the blood angels so much it rots their brains turning them into mindless plague marine berserkers.
Also, AIDs
I'm surprised you didn't mention how much bigger Ultramar is in this universe. In this universe Ultima Segmentum has been officially renamed the Ultramar Segmentum because the Ultramarines have conquered so much territory they've basically have roughly 1/4 of the Galaxy. Also the Codex Astartes has been renamed in this universe to the Codex Ultramar since it covers both how the civilian government should be run and military tactics.
that's guilliman's superpower, he has common sense and rational thinking
@@stankobarabata2406unfortunately thats the trade off
super rational,but shitty at coming up with names,so he stick with the one he already use
@@stankobarabata2406 I mean, isn't it just sorta normal to name a lot of that stuff after your civilization? It's like the USA and the US constitution, US navy, US army, except it's from Ultramar so it's Ultra instead, you know?
@@danang5 M4 Sherman, IFV Bradley, M1 Abrams... I don't think Guiltyman is the only one.
I unironically think that the Ultrasmurfs, in some ways, are more interesting in this version.
To start off, they secede from the Imperium not because they want to, but rather because Dorn was like "Hey, big E thinks you're gonna leave him and has declared you a traitor and is gonna kill you, let us help you survive" and Girlyman was like "Shit. Alright" and then unwittingly turned traitor. He didn't participate in anything more than Istvan 5 though cause Dorn knew that if Roboto got to Terra, he would immediately figure out Dorn's ruse and then his heresy would be over, so he had Gorillaman stay in Ultramar.
Later on after the heresy Robutté finds out the truth and gets his signature UltraDepression™, calls out to Terra to try and set things right, travel to a 'neutral' location for a meeting with Terra, only for the meeting to be revealed as an ambush set up by the Alpha Legion and for him to get imprisoned by in a stasis field and placed in front of the thronebound Big E like a trophy.
Ultramarines now are like proper good guys fighting against the Imperium, slowly liberating worlds, trying to get to Terra to free their Primarch.
Also they rule over the Tau and start using railgun tech... I think.
@@btrando1 almost; they are warring with the tau and, thanks to not having any mechanicus in the way, have reverse engineered some tau tech, including the railguns.
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Wait, by this exension, couldn't they use A.I and Robots?
@@memes_the_dna_of_the_soul5487 yes they could, but I'm pretty sure they still follow a modified version of the imperial truth.
Remember, since Robute is a traitor, his Codex is not distributed to all space marine legions, but rather solely to his own.
Being against the Imperium auto makes them bad guys, heretic.
I think the roboution heresy and imperium ascendant are also really good Warhammer 40k fanfictions.
Also, the Roboution heresy does right by fulgrim.
Yeah I honestly really enjoyed reading the Roboutian Heresy a lot. Some parts it honestly felt better than The Horus Heresy.
Imperium ascendant is really good, I completely agree, but there may not be enough to make a full episode, as it hasn’t gone all the way through the great crusade. Maybe they could make an episode with a bunch of lesser known good 40k fan fiction.
@@ryantice1186 the newest chapter just came out and it's a holy shit what did I just read plot twist
@@connerbixby6532 damn I better catch up
Tonite on Ridiculous Gear: Bricky learns that God is Based from the loyal Iron Warriors while DK learns that the Imperial Fists are actually interesting if they joined chaos and Shy learns that the Alpha Legion just remain the same because they are just some sneaky little guys.
They’re just some little guys
In the Dornian Heresy, they’re just big guys
Congrats, You somehow made a top gear reference asinine.
god is Based and Dorn is quite the avid reader
@@williamsantamaria2813 It was part of our plan to make you think we're little guys, when we're actually BIG guys. This is a lie. Or is it? Do you know, cause I don't. I am Alpharius.
the Wolftime is an actual canon thing. When Leman Russ vanished into the warp he left some kind of prophecy about returning for the Wolftime at the end of time to defend the Allfather (Emperor)
Oh my god it is, Jesus Christ Russ. Why must you make everything wolf based.
Bayonetta but it's Russ and he uses Wolftime
@@tonylee3624 the best part is that, if my memory does not fail me, fenrisian wolves are genetically closer to bears than wolves. Or was it big cats? Cant remember but the point is they're not canines at all lol
@@tonylee3624 it's the sort of thing where the planet's culture uses wolf iconography a fuckton so Russ was raised and incorporated it into his own Legion. Their Fenrisian name, Vulka Fenryka, is more akin to The Warriors of Fenris in Fenrisian but in Gothic they translate it as The Wolves of Fenris.
It doesn't help that GW saw themselves going too far with wolf stuff and doubled down but there's some reasons for it canonically.
@@tonylee3624 Becuase he is a furry with a not so YT friendly love for wolves.
blood is a great mean of travel for pathogens, so i get it that blood angels are Nurgle aligned. The dornian heresy changes Sanguinous backstory by having him be raised by the mutants of Baal and gets hit by a biological weapon and has to plead to Nurgle to stay alive
Blood Angels in Dornian Heresy hates Nurgle yet they're unwilling pawns on his game.
AIDs is a hell of a Desease
Let’s also remember that nurgle is stagnation, hence he could probably have promised to end their red thirst as if it were a disease
Shys intent with the poison was not to kill you, but to show you the majesty of chaos
Or perhaps one, then the other. 😎
the funny thing with the council of nikea and the psyker ban was, that big E actually listened to his sons. He didn't want to ban the librarius initially.
Yep, Mortarion made good points about Old Night psykerhorror happening again but more importantly Magnus went full Nyarlathotep as a rebuttal; the Council demanded a ban after.
@@warlordjr.jr. Mortarion was a full-blown hypocrite, but there was also Russ, Corax and Dorn on the anti-psykers side. So maybe Big E. was right in doing it.
Except, you know, _he didn't freaking explained to Magnus _*_why_*_ he did it._ xD
“Wolf-time” is absolutely a reference to Ragnarök in Norse mythology. In the Voluspá, the original Norse poems from which we get our modern understanding of the mythology, Ragnarök is described within stanza 45:
Brothers shall fight | and fell each other,
And sisters' sons | shall kinship stain;
Hard is it on earth, | with mighty whoredom;
Axe-time, sword-time, | shields are sundered,
Wind-time, wolf-time, | ere the world falls;
Nor ever shall men | each other spare
I love it when Leman Russ said "It's wolfing time" and wolfed all over the place. The most codex of all time.
This still has a more bearable amount of wolfing then what’s actually in the space wolves codex.
Average Space Wolf : *_WHO WANTS TO LIVE FOREVER!?"_*
That's...that's not even a joke,that's just space wolves
Saw this comment coming from a mile away lmao
As much as I love fan theories and alternate histories with 40k, all of the “Alternate Heresy” fan theories I’ve come across have a similar crippling flaw: there is no believable way to make Vulkan fall to Chaos without it coming off as incredibly contrived. I can believe Lorgar staying loyal if a few things were different. I can believe Leman Russ falling to Chaos if a few things were different. To make Vulkan fall to Chaos, you have to change who Vulkan is to such an extent that we’re no longer dealing with the same character.
perhaps through empathy. Have him try to be an arbiter between the defecting vulkan and the still loyal brothers. Then you see them fight and the salamanders engaging both parties. You get a new itsvan but a vulkan unsupported. From here you could have vulkan's fall be similar to pertuabo.
I could see him just completely losing his mind and going with Nurgle with a bit of Perterabo's problem of getting ground down and overworked. Like Vulkan has to go and purge all these worlds that have been destroyed by Nurgle plagues and he just has to flamethrower all these civilians that he would do anything to protect. Then when he sent to burndown what was his home world he snaps and let's the Nurgle take him and his legion in exchange for all the civilians.
I still believe the Roboutian Heresy handled it best by having Vulkan wind up with the drakes of Nocturne rather than the humans to explain how his upbringing with beasts and proven that he's invincible against them made him have such a massive superiority complex to humans. Really goes into nature v nurture territory which I really like. Vulkan was never really built up as inherently benevolent from what I recall that goodness came from the people that raised him up to have those good qualities.
@@henrypaleveda7760 I think this is a great idea, but I feel it could be made even simpler: Vulkan is an objectively good guy, in an objectively evil universe being forced into a war for an objectively evil empire. His gene-sons are nothing but tools of war, who specialize in damning men, women, and children to one of the most painful deaths possible (I know it's not written about too much, but I think that's mostly bc the space marines are supposed to be the """good guys""", I really don't think it's unrealistic). He'd just say, "fuck this" to the Big E, similar vibes to Robot Gorrilaman in this AU, and be declared a Traitor. It could hit a lot of tragic beats, as the Vulkan-loyal Salamanders have to turn on their true loyalist brethren, and are then forced to fight alongside Chaos for survival. Just a few thoughts.
It works in Roboutian because his childhood is changed.
Rather than being raised the blacksmith/people he is raised by a Salamander (read: massive dragon thing). And then his "mom" kills him because the salamanders are territorial and force offsprings off their territory once they mature.
Still being a Perpetual Vulkan comes back. With that traumatic experience and knowledge that he is literally immortal he does not grow up to be the nice person we know.
Ah yes, The Dorn Disagreement, a wonderful piece of history
The roboutian rebellion
The sanguinian squabble
The alpharius arguement
Taco tuesday
The Vulcan Vendetta
The structure of this episode was like the loyalty of the Alpha Legion
Messy, obscure and borderline impossible to wrap your head around? X)
Minor gripe - It's not a "fan theory," it's an alternative universe. Fan theory is more like, "Oh what if this happened in this current instance of the media?" While something like the Dornian Heresy is a full on "What if we changed EVERYTHING" type situation.
It's a fan theory because it isn't an official product by GW.
Alternative universe with no official support are fan theories.
@@Ashtor1337 Listen my man, people have been referring to their alternate universes as specifically *just that* for years in fandom spaces. I don't see why Warhammer would be an exception to that.
Honestly yeah for stuff like this Alternate Universe is more fitting and precise.
Fan theory is way too broad and already has its own connotations like:
"This is my headcanon explenation for why this happened/exists and etc."
A fan therory is that dorn put sand in perty suit and that sparked the fuel
This is a whole separate story and is not linked to true 40k in all but names and a few events
"Father, I believe I am in a parallel universe where my block brain is the cause of the heresy."
If they ever did a TTS on the Dornian heresy. It would have to be centered around Orikin, the time traveling Necron chronomancer.
It should be done by Orikin who, describes a parrel timeline. How he knows this is a doozy.
Basically, there is a timeline where Orikin ascends to C'tan status, becoming Orikan the Timekeeper. He basically talks to a bunch of alternate timeline Orikins.
BigE is thinking about what he would have had to do to keep Horus loyal. As he is doing that, he finds that, somehow, Orikin put a note that somehow, perfectly reads like a conversation. So for example.
This is likely due to time-travel shenagains.
After the story, he tacks on that big E should check the underhives of Terra due to a "Bug problem", claiming that, from his predictions, if he does this the galaxy won't get completely eaten by tryanids.
Howevery, Trayzin the Infinte takes this as an opprutunity to steal on of big E's toes. Which becomes a grand peice in his collection.
Other timeslines Orikan wittnessed include.
Tryanids Eat everything.
The Silent king never left.
The Tau enter the Imperium.
Cawl become the Head of the Mechanius.
The Orks never existed.
The Covenant replaces the Tau.
Sigmar Saves the Imperium.
Gotrek Kills Every Named Character. (This is started after an Imperial Inquisitor shoots Felix)
And
Space Station 13.
As a huge fan of the ‘Evil heroes’ Universe idea, such as Transformers Shattered Glass, this stuff is right up my alley.
So, what did you think of the Robowtian Heresy? Just curious. :)
Wait so did Adrick just get its first official Warhammer sponsor?!? Congrats guys!
I love the part where Sanguinius charges Perturabo and goes “it’s morbin time”.
from what I remember in the Dornian heresy Erebus was actually loyal and helped Horus overcome his corruption, the art that bricky described was the art of the loyalist primarch from the Lionel heresy where Erebus was traitor but Lorgar beat him to a brim and attached him to his maul
LMAO I SAW THE ART OF THAT, erebus is basically a screaming and burning decor on Lorgar's Loyal Holy staff
Most plausible situation is that the 'Nids show up early, and in full force, so:
-Lorgar's heresy isn't found, because he accidentally draws the 'Nids in, and they eat his whole cult. Lorgar seeks vengeance.
-Horus is diverted to fight the hive fleets, and leads the effort.
-Russ falls to Khorne while defending Fenris, as the priests are overrun before he can save them.
-REDACTED
-Ferrus Manus sides with half the Mechanicus, who claim the Emperor will continue drawing in 'Nids as long as he's alive.
-Fulgrim gets turned off on biological perfection when he realizes it would make him like the 'Nids.
-Vulcan is corrupted by a Hive Fleet mental attack, and loses his sanity.
-Dorn is killed buying time for the Imperium.
-Guilliman blames himself and the Emperor for Dorn's death, and declares a new Imperium that will use any means to win.
-Magnus loses most of his Legion to the Shadow in the Warp, thus also losing his incentive to deal with Chaos.
-Sanguinius is unnerved by the failure of his visions, and is tricked into believing that Chaos can be a force that protects humanity, replacing Horus as the heresy leader.
-Lion El'Jonson resorts to using dangerous ancient weaponry to win his battles, and when questioned, joins Sanguinius.
-Perturabo proves highly adept at fighting against the 'Nids, feeding his ego enough for him to remain loyal. Plus, Dorn be dead.
-Mortarion comes to hate everything about the 'Nids, and is too focused on them to fight others.
-Jaghatai Khan comes to resent the Emperor's defensive strategy, and joins Sanguinius.
-Curze realizes his visions were wrong, and with Nostramo devoured, devouts himself to trying to keep the enemies of the Imperium paralyzed with fear while the fighting continues elsewhere.
-Angron is killed in battle, the time he bought barely saving the Alpha Legion.
-REDACTED
-Alpharius proves to be the only one who can reliably find, and destroy, Genestealer cults, which he chooses to focus on above all else.
-Corax probably wouldn't have been found before all this happened, so I can't help but imagine that he would hide and wait to see who to join.
Something like that, anyway.
I like it. It’s neat
Solving problems with Nids
It's like nids take the place of orks, and a little of protagonism off of caos, they are not a new treat, they are an ever present danger
Not a bad idea actually
Kinda like the nids zerg rushed the galaxy
One thing id add is that given the fact the nids favor ending all life it give the imperium alot more incentive to join alliances with xenos
Like the anti emps Mechanicus alliance would get help from the necrons and gulliman working out a deal with the tau/eldar
Even chaos could be considered an ally in these times because if everyone dies to one is left to feed the 4
It would be like a constant game of "come the apocalypse" 40k
Wait, wasn’t Alpharius the last primarch found?
I think the reason they made Sanguineous nurgle is because vampires. So they became like, undead type vampires.
"The Board is Set" by Gav Thorpe. The Emporer and Malcador play a game of regicide moments before the beginning of the Solar War.
The Emporer explains to Malcador that the war with Horus is a game of chess between himself and the Ruinous Powers. The primarchs are the peices.
The Emporer implies that he created the primarchs exactly the way they are and treated them exactly the way he needed to in order to set the board exactly the way it is.
I don't remember them going over anything but loyalties, wins, loses, and that Malcador needs to sacrifice himself or humanity, not just the Imperium, will die.
@@warlordjr.jr. Read it again.
Is that the one where each primarch is a literal piece on the board with I title that represents their role? I think sanguinius was the sacrifice and Guilliman the savior or something like that.
I haven’t read that book but I’ve heard people say that the Emperor doing his whole “all according to plan!” schtick is him being an unreliable narrator, and that fans aren’t supposed to take it at face value that he planned for those legions to turn.
@@starwarsnerd100 Malcador says that the Emporer is in control of who pulls which card when. The Emporer then implies that he does not have full control over how it all playes out. Though of course he doesn't say it plainly.
Then later in the game Malcador claims that the Emporer has changed something. They've played the same game a hundred times and it's always the same. But the Emporer always ends the game before the final moves are made. It's unclear if he chose not to tell Malcador or if he actually didn't know for sure how it would end.
So the Emporer knows more or less what is going to happen but some details can be changed. One might presume that he is unsure if Sanguinius will overcome his temptations and arrive in time to choose to offer himself up to be the sacrifice. But with the Blood Angel's imminent arrival and Sanguinius having made his choice it was time to tell Malcador what he would need to do in the final moments make sure he too would choose to be sacrificed.
>"Erebus is dead!"
*uproarious applause that can be heard from the Fringe Worlds to Terra*
We need a fanfic where the only difference is that Big E is a good dad.
You are looking for “Imperium Ascendant”, my friend.
Roboutian heresy has big 'he's trying but not perfect ' energy imo so might be up your alley
@@TimeCircleBlue Even that has him stop the Primarchs from being scattered not just him being as better dad.
Roboutian Heresy.
The Constellations series by Slyfoxcub on ao3
it really seems to me like alpharius should have been the one to do all the stuff curze did during the siege of terra.
him whisking away the emperor would make perfect sense considering his past living in the palace, and his part in the founding of the blood games. him boarding the phalanx and dying to dorn wouldve also been a nice mirror to canon alpharius' death at dorns hands on pluto. extremely strange decision to not go that route. the dornian heresy is cool but has a lot of missed opportunities imo
Yeah, I going have to check to see how old the Dorian heresy and the Alpha legion book are to see if that possible.
Alphapus upbringing is kinda newest lore.
That new lore so they didn't know.
"What if the Emperor was a better dad?" "What if Ferrus Manus got Necrodermis on his brain?"
I think he did in canon tho his eyes were silver and i think its mentioned that his nervous system was fused with the necrodermis, just his hands were visually covered
Would explain his craftminship skills if true
F for everyone's favorite chapter who didn't get a episode before a fanfic
Evil Dorn be like: "I can read."
If you ever get the chance, Check out the Roboutian Heresy! I prefer it over the DH and it's more NobleBright than actual 40k. It's even in its End Times right now
45:30 I believe in the Prose Edda and Poetic Edda (The primary sources for Norse mythology), there are two preceding events to Ragnarok itself, fimbulvinter and an age of war on Earth that is described as "An axe age, a sword age, a wind age, and a wolf age." I presume the wolf time is a reference to this
I loved it when Leman Russ said "it's wolfin time" and then he wolfed all over the place
Two questions: one, is Vulkan still a Perpetual in this universe (that could be a nuisance); and two, would the Night Lords really warm to the Reivers if the Primaris still happens?
Just stick vulkan in a cage and forcefeed him to keep alive, easy
Yes, Vulkan is still immortal. Except he's a douche.
And yes, I think the Night Lords would really like the Rievers if Primaris happened. (But I strongly believe that Primaris Rievers originated from Night Lords tactics canonically.)
@@Archon3960a group of fast attack troops using blades and specializing in hit and run tactics? Yup those are my boys in midnight clad
in Warhammer Fantasy Khorne is associated with the wolf and is sometimes called "the wolf-father" or "Bloodwolf", so the space wolves falling to Khorne is fitting in that aspect
And we actually have two canon chaos space marine warbands who are of Space Wolf origin, the Blood Wolves and Skydar's Dark Wolves. And both are of khornate alignment
Time to make them talk about the Roboution Heresy next
In the future it'd be fantastic to have links to the copyrighted art in the show notes. That way we can give those artists the views they deserve while you're talking about the epic art :D
The Blood Angels going Nurgle does make a lot more sense when you think of them less like vampires, and more like mosquitoes
Robutian Heresy should be the next goal for maybe 20k Patreon goals
Hell yes i agree with that
The Dornian Heresy has a special place for being one of the OG alt-heresy timelines, so much more of the Roboutian Heresy I enjoy.
That said, my all time favorite alt-Heresy was something called the Renegade Saga. Premise was 'All Primarchs are the same, no changes to their backstories.. but the Emperor is the one joins chaos.' So who and what is considered traitor or loyalist goes up in the air.
That sounds so cool. Where can I find the Renegade Saga?
favorite part was how the wolves, sons, and death guard were all on the same side
@@someguy669 It's on Space Battles, there's a main thread that has all the parts listed
@@jollyb4285
Brilliant! Thank you!
"The Alpha legion are just identical, they're just... loyal now..."
Give it a week.
They're always heretical on tuesday, thursday and friday, and loyal during the rest of the week.
It's a thursday today, so they're loyal now in dornian canon. :)
Evil dorn be like:
writes Literature with lots of figurative speech (very evil)
Me who's still loyal to the emperor:" I am no son of Dorn I am your enemy".
Adeptus ridiculous is the only audio podcast where they talk about how cool pictures are
It should be noted that Ragnarok is referred to as the Wolf Time in Norse mythology because fenris is one of the major antagonist characters in Ragnarok and well fenris is a giant wolf
So I think the only complains I have after hearing the Dorian Heresy. If the Blood Angels were going to be a chaos legion dedicated to Nurgle they could have made them act more like zombies than vampires. The Alpha Legion should have made the core of the Inquisition. That was a massive potential that they dropped the ball on. The Sisters of Battles being killed is very disappointing. What they could have done is made them turn to chaos with five main orders. One dedicated to chaos undivided and the remaining dedicated to an individual chaos god.
Do the Roboutian heresy for the next goal, it is quite interesting.
I like to think that in original lore Big E had vision of Dornian heresy. Like when Horus had vision of the future when he was stabbed. That can be the reason for some of his actions in original lore. He was more focused on traitors from Dornian heresy expecting that loyal ones will stay loyal.
Tonite on Ridiculous gear: Bricky gets a Buzzcut and builds a low-income apartment complex, DK needs a hand, and Shy gets a unknown disease after inhaling an insane amount of copium due to her failed assassination attempt on our Lil' guys
The Dornian Heresy, Robutian Heresy, The Triumvirate. Only community with the concentrated autism to create so many fleshed out spinoff-verses, that I know of, was Dragon Ball. I mean the amount of fanart that's on the same level of official artwork is insane. You could make entire codices for the Dornian loyalists and traitors with the work out there!
Don't forget Undertale. The same energy that possessed the gaming forums for 40k possessed tumblrites for Undertale.
"Concentrated autism" is the only way that lore about toy soldiers could become this popular in the first place
Obligatory 'the roboutian heresy is good too and has a plot that's getting updated ' comment in the hope the crew does an episode on the AU one day
The Blood Angels being the Nurgle faction makes sense from the "Vampirism is a disease" stand point. The Elder Scrolls has Porphyric Hemophilia, a disease that you can contract from a vampire and it turns you into a vampire.
37:04 Damn, Bricky! You down _bad_ for them crazy space-nuns, huh?
38:59 Not really; Mortarian absolutely _hates_ psykers, so it makes sense that he'd become the head witch-hunter in this alternate timeline.
"Ultramarines are mainly fighting Tau" Sounds like a blue-on-blue situation
They’re blue da ba de da ba da
Poor Fulgrim. He's my favorite. Hope we got more loyalist clone lore
Psst...
Check out the Roboutian Heresy...
I really like how the most surprising thing is that Rogal Dorn was corrupt enough to lie.
Poor fulgrim ;-; he really doesnt get fair treatment neither in canon nor fanfic
A really good hypothetical What If fan story is “The Shape of the Nightmare to come” and “Age of Dust”. Shape of the Nightmare is literally maximum grim dark with everything that could go wrong going wrong. Big E dies leading to a massive ripple effect across the Galaxy. Terra turns into a demon world, the solar system say for Mars and Titan turn into the last bastions of non chaos taint. Though Mars is converted into a massive necron type world thanks to the Void Dragon waking up, Titan is basically the last hold out for the imperium in Sol with The Grey Knights, Custodes and Inquisition being there. Orcs and Tyranids ended up fusing together creating a literal devourer of worlds. The Blood Angels fell to ruin, The Imperial Fists were the last on Terra fighting off the demons pouring out the warp rift with countless sons of Dorn being given a direct order from the chapter master to “dig in” and “close the fist until further orders are given”, The Black Templars turned into a force of just pure evil. It’s honestly a lot and it’s both grim dark but a good read.
And a fragment of the Emperor turned into the 5th Chaos God
Krieg and the Death Korp turned into a mercenary megacorporate planet supplying clones to petty warlords
PLEASE do an episode on Ferrus Manus. He's my favorite primarch solely because he and the Emperor had a massive anime battle that almost destroyed Ferrus's home planet. He's a douchebag and I love him.
And the clock resets
I love in the Dornian Heresy whan Space Wolves are like "It's wolf time" and then wolfed all over their enemy
Wolftime possibly refers to the norse myth of the "Wolfszeit", one of the stages towards Ragnarök when brother turns against brother, son against father and whole kingdoms on themselfes. Seems the most fitting since Space Wolves already have that vikingish vibe to them
I have a few questions:
1. What happened to Malcadore , if the astronomicon was working and Magnus didn’t f. it up.
2. What about the Teranids? If the Faros light did not lure them in to our galaxy?
The iron hands became NECRON SPACE MARINE HYBRIDS!!!!
Wolf-time is, I believe, an actual name for the stat of Ragnarok, since Ragnarok is heralded by two wolves in the sky - One chasing the sun and catching it, and one catching the moon - This releases Fenrir, their father.
Even in the alternate universe, Grillman still can't resist the urge to count bean. lmao.
Hopefully you guys make a video on Warhammer 50k ("the shape of the nightmare to come" one) would be nice to see you guys talk about it.
In this world there is no chaos portal problem on terra and thus the emperor doesn’t need to focus all his mind on the golden throne. Even if the golden throne needed to be maintained magnus could do it without issue. Wouldn’t this mean the emperor could be revived with relative ease? Tell me if I’m wrong
iirc, the webway gate got trashed by the Imperial Fists during the Siege of Terra, and the TSons later stabilized it. Ahriman later closed it off permanently. The issue is that the Emperor completely died during the battle on the Phalanx. The only parts of him that survived were his body and the part of his psyche he put into the Astronomican. He needs to absorb psyker souls to keep the beacon lit and keep his body from giving out. He can still communicate at times, but he’s slowly getting weaker. The Golden Throne is used more as life support than a shield from daemons.
@@judeblack4360 so was big E’s soul killed?
@@judeblack4360 wouldn't his being a prepetual mean he could just wait a little bit before going on the throne, then we get full emps back before the whole imperium is utterly screwed?
@@henrypaleveda7760 I don't really know; it's a bit nebulous in both canons.
@@FireElite95 Not exactly, it's still sort of there in the Astronomican, and Magnus has this plan to find the Emperor's kids from before he revealed himself to the world in the hopes that their psychic powers can resurrect him.
I found it funny that in this story when Roboute leaves the imperium, He takes half of it with him. Just because those people like him more.
to be clear, the wolf time is a term not exclusive to the Dornian heresy. It is also a thing in canon 40k. Hell, Logan Grimnar wants the wolftime to happen, desperately, because he really wants Russ to return. Because apparently Russ told them he'd be back when that happened before he fucked off.
Its also a reference to the Eddas in Norse Mythos
The Dornian Heresy Tis one of the best examples of fanfiction I’ve seen, because it’s not written as a fanfic but as a spin-off, meaning that there’s a lotta room for improvement, unlike a finished story on Ao3 or Fanfic Net.
As I see it, a couple things could’ve been done a little better.
Angron should’ve kept the nails yet, without needing to kill his adoptive father, found a way to retain his nature as a healer while also being a berserker-using his abilities of healing to essentially equalize his pain, even if he can’t undo the agony, in a meditative state.
Sanguinius being tricked into Nurgle’s sway, while enjoyable, feels a little like a cop out? Every Primarch is a master of most everything, with each one specializing in something or other, meaning Sanguinius could’ve been experimenting with his own gene-seed to try and undo the flaws within (like the 21st Founding wanted to), and as he kept failing and failing and failing…he fell into despair, only to hear Nurgle’s sweet whispers. “You’re not wrong, my boy. You are beautiful! You are strong! Don’t hide your differences from the others…show them with pride. Smile, you’re never fully dressed without one.” And as he kept hearing these whispers, he’d begin to taint his gene-seed with alterations, on purpose.
Corvus being forced to follow Tzeentch, makes total sense. I accept this entirely, yet Vulkan being nihilistic in the way he is…feels wrong. My mentality would be Vulkan’s chipper demeanor and pyromania push people away, leaving him alone and miserable, hence why he swears fealty to Big E without complaint. Still, he finds nobody wants to be his friend, despite everything he does to be likable. He’s not disfigured, just big and built different, so he becomes disillusioned with the Imperium. “I joined this great armada and find brothers among the stars, only to be shunned, ridiculed, by those who would fight by my side…I only sought companions. I only sought sons. Now, I shall have sons, but upon the Anvil of War will they be forged.”
Guilliman leaving, however, should’ve been fueled by Lorgar’s acts against Erebus and how unacceptably brutal they were. Roboute’s a fair and pragmatic man who doesn’t do things maliciously, so to see how awfully a traitor Twas handled by his brother…would certainly send him to separate from the Imperium, return to Ultramar where such barbarism Tis unheard of.
Ferrus being corrupted by the C’Tan and the Necrons Tis so good. It works so well!! Luther winning works as well, yet I *really* prefer the idea of the Lion actually being a passive practitioner of Chaos worship and him remaining loyal nonetheless. Like, imagine if Lion was loyal to the Emperor yet, having survived on Caliban for so long and known only Chaos corruption, he worshipped the gods without being evil about it! Chaos isn’t wholly evil, as hath been discussed before, so to see a Primarch with Chaos in him yet a healthy balance of it…sounds really cool, and it would work nicely for who the Lion is: incorruptible! He’s not corrupted, he’s simply balanced, but unfortunately blind to the sickness in Luther’s mind and thus dies at Luther’s hand, far out of Imperial space thanks to the Black Templars shoving out any trace of Chaos from the Imperium…unaware that they sentenced a loyal Primarch to death and ensured that the formerly loyal Dark Angels would fall to Chaos’s wickeder side.
A lack of Sororitas makes no sense to me since Lorgar has entire planets dedicated to worshipping the Emperor, and every soldier would be a devout worshipper as well, so having the Word Bearers select people to either become Sororitas or future Astartes…would make the most sense. Hell, maybe they’d find plausible candidates for Custodianship!
Dude, check out Roboutian Heresy. It is great.
Honestly better than Dornian Heresy imo.
For other fanfics I’d recommend Tales of the Amber Vipers and Storm Heralds
@@gokbay3057 It goes off the rails in other ways but it is much better thought out than the Dornian Heresy.
Without even seeing it I know the primarch art with Erebus on a flaming stick is for a different alternate heresy and not the Dornian one. Definitely cool as shit tho
Wasn't that art for the Roubutian heresy fan fic
@@carlosjorge3888It's the Lion heresy by Paint_Newb
Dornian heresy iron hands are quite the trip, trying to abandon their flesh by using the empty husks of the long-dead necrons...
There's also the Roboute Heresy which was just as interesting with some more believable ways they became what they were. Like Vulkan finding out early he was immortal and it made it go to his head, Slaneesh corrupted Blood Angels into getting high off of blood and Ferrus falling into Nurgle and always gets horrified whenever he sees his hand reminding him of how he used to be.
As for loyalist theres Conrad who ended up being adopted by a woman who instilled a strong sense of morality, Mortarian got to kill his adopted father on his terms, Lorgar was raised by a persecuted family and grew up to be an affirmed atheist like the Emperor after witnessing atrocities in the name of religion, Magnus being allowed to follow his passion but with discipline and restrained in turn that allowed him to save Horus and Fulgrim from demon corruption.
There is also the imperium ascendant, all fan made primarch projects and the other alternative heresies worth mentioning one of my suggestions is the roboutian heresy.
It's incredible. I wish it was still going.
They are though the ones i named at least.
Sigismund is so much more threatening in Abaddon's role than Abaddon is.
Of couse. Its Sigismund.
The traitor Fists in Dornian Heresy divided into many warbands, like the Crimsom Fists are sadistic butchers made mostly of possessed.
The best thing that comes out of these AU's is the artwork, hands down amazing
If I had the time and money this would be a super fun conversion Project.
One thing I think would be fun using Gundam/Tau bits would be an Emperor of Ultramar Guilliman in his own personal mech suit with an energy sword. Kind of like a mirror of his current 40k self.
I would include two shackled/enslaved Tau carrying Ultramarine banners at his feet.
And can you imagine White Scar noise marines? On bikes made for peak exhaust noise like douchbags riding through a residential area at 2am.
In all honesty, i prefere the Idea of robot girlyman being the archtraitor, he's the defalt good boy, the literal most popular chapters primarch, for better or for worse, and even though i love dorn because of tts i enjoy Guilherme
Yep put some rouge trader for the whole economy aspect
Can’t believe they didn’t mention the fact that the Alpha Legion faked their own destruction until Alpharius just showed up again
"Loyalty is it's own reward" Lion El Johnson to Kairos Fateweaver. First time ive heard about the Dornian Heresy, I like how they kept the Lion loyal and some of his Dark Angels. I cant wait until you all do that episode! Keep up the great work! Hey maybe DK will like the Lion just based on the fact the Lemun Russ and Guilliman rivalries lol
That sponsorship bit sounded like Bricky was in the walls for once
You know Ill be honest I thought Sanguinius would be the one to fall as a polar opposite to Horus. Also I dont like how Nurgle is the Blood angels main chaos I would have thought Khorn would be the 1
Remember that the red thirst and black rage are "illnesses" (the blood angels call them that) so is fitting that he fall to god of illness searching for a cure
@@thelion2751 still dont like it I mean come on even in the canon version it was mentioned that Khorn wanted the Blood Angels. It would be assumed that in a parallel universe BA would be the prime members to the Blood God. ITS IN THE NAME! Blood Angels Blood God. Also I hate Nurgle so that is also why.
@@ryanadams0922 well i think it fit both by sanguinius wanted a cure to his son's illness and khorne by sanguinius secret rage,that's why in both roboutian and dornian heresy blood angels choose one or the other
@@thelion2751 don't the blood angels fall to Slaanesh in the roboutian heresy and it's the iron hands that get claimed by Nurgle which i found dumb tbh
@@mattvoll9094 oh yeah sorry is to slaanesh to who they fall something found even more fitting, because they start feeling pleasure in the blood
THE SHY HERESY BEGINS!!!
Don't you mean the "Shy Scouring"?
There is another version of this heresy with some sick ass Art where Perty lived and became a Primarch Dreadnought
Wolf Time is an actual term used in the Poetic Edda to describe Ragnarok. Still wolfwolfwolf tho
So with the Space Wolves with their "Wolf Time" Battle cry, it's derived from a old norse saga prophecying Ragnarock. The full quote is aproximately
"An axe time, a sword time, shields will be splintered. A Wind time, a wolf time, the world has fallen"
Does this mean that they'll talk about the Roboutian Heresy next week?
Nice to see that Shy is spreading the gifts of papa Nurgle.
"nemo me inpune leccitet"? That's the Scottish motto: None shall touch me with impunity
I've watched multiple vids talking about this Heresy and it seems almost universal that when the Blood Angels are revealed to be Nurgle, everyone is like "....Nurgle???" lol
Sigismund would have been such a beast as the Warmaster of Chaos.
I think the reason the blood angels didn't become the khornate legion is for one simple reason. *ahem*
Bloodhounds.
That is all.
Only thing I would change is have the Blood Angels go to Tzeench because Sanguinius tries to stop the future from happening and leans more into his foresight. Have the 'Istvaan' event happen with Ferrus Manus still dying but is saved by Nurgle. And have Raven Guard tainted as Chaos Undivided birb monsters from Dorn.
Other then that, this was pretty well thought through.