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Just after the war in Ukraine started the gas prices skyrocketed. You couldn’t find a used EV and the prices on all EVs went up astronomically. So just like anything , world politics will change how much anything is worth at any moment.
The number of new EVs sold jumped a lot 2021 - 2023, nearly 1.2 million last year. Those are all used cars now. Supply is increasing. Your comment was about demand. Both matter.
The only reason used Teslas depreciate rapidly sometimes is because the new ones keep getting cheaper which makes the depreciation irrelevant. If I buy a car for 50k and 5 years later the new price is 25k my trade in is worth a lot less but the new car costs a lot less. If Tesla can lower their prices by 50% over 5 years the rest of the market has to as well or go out of business.
They aren’t just getting cheaper. The margins are getting squeezed.
Except Tesla is mostly focusing on their most premium vehicle, the Cybertruck. If they lower that by 50% it's still over $50k. As for their other vehicles, they're just doing incremental "upgrades." Their next gen vehicles undercutting their current prices, with they also randomly undercuting their current vehicles prices, won't help them in the long run. They'll hit a sales wall again
Wow, no heated steering wheel for the Mexican Model 3! Go figure
Here in Phoenix I'd rather have cloth seats rather than unventelated simulated leather seats.
The new 3 has vented seats
@@FnGRZupra Id rather have pretty much anything than vinyl seats.
@@natehill8069 I dont' care about seats. I care about how fast cars go when you press the pedal.
It would be interesting if Tesla removed the sunroof on the base Model 3. That could definitely save a lot in production and bring down the weight!
I’d even suggest removing the ambient lighting feature entirely instead of just white for an even cheaper price
The cost of changing RGB to just white is negligible for a car. It'd be much cheaper to remove the ambient light entirely
Remove the sunroof and it will be better for places that get more sun. Mexico and Australia and the latitudes in between.
Glass sunroof is there for enhanced safety.
@@janh-r8hglass roofs prime function is for the extra head room that you lose in electric cars due to having the battery packs under the floor.
Just remove the lighting at that point.... they need to put all focus on battery technology, if they could lower that everything can be cheaper and they can make more $$ but us consumers shouldn't suffer basic features just to afford a new car
I don't see cloth seats necessarily as a downgrade. While not as sophisticated as heated and ventilated seats, cloth seats don't burn skin nor feel wet and clammy in humid environments. And cloth seats don't scratch or suffer from claw marks. And while cloth seats may not be easily wiped clean with a bottle of cleanser, they don't show finger prints, spit, dandruff or dust like vinyl or leatherette. Not that long ago, in the 1970's and 80's velour seats were an extra cost option and were considered desirable in luxury cars. And from an eco standpoint, cloth seats can be made from recycled bottles and perhaps have a lesser impact on the environment.
I have no desire for leather of any kind. It’s nothing but high priced vinyl to me. A full cloth interior is always my preference. Heated seats can be nice but I can do without them.
Not bad at all. "Vegan leather" is a funny name for plastic, anyhow. BUT, making it only 2600 bucks cheaper, isn't much of an incentive for most buyers.
Amen. In my climate, I'll take cloth over leather ("vegan" or otherwise) any day. There was never anything wrong with cloth seats; Americans just became allergic to them at some point. Ventilated cloth seats would be perfection, but those don't seem to exist.
My 2017 Model S already has a small tear in the vegan leather seat. My 32 year old Honda with cloth seats is still solid and comfortable. IMHO cloth seats are an upgrade to plastic, not a downgrade.
I prefer not to have fingerprints spit dandruff, and dust permanently embedded in my seats. Just sayin’.😂 even if it doesn’t show…you just have to smell it all the way to work and back. 😮
I just sold my 22 MYLR and recurrent offered me only 24k.
AutoNation offered me 29,250!
daughter got 26k from tesla towards her new 24 Y perf
This is not a disappointment in my opinion, in fact this lower trim Model 3 RWD is probably what they should of done a long time ago instead of trying to use incentives to drive sales
Cost of the car is not the major issue. Charging infrastructure is the problem plus the cost to insure the car and repairability. Also the car is a boring looking car and not inspiring also they only allow limited customizations which I am sure will go well with young people
Agree! Specifically in countries outside US, where we dont have IRA. Besides rear windows sound insulation I dont miss any of the reduced options.
@@cool2180 cost is a subjective thing, for me I would already be in the quick silver long range model 3 with pitch black tinted windows, I just can’t afford that price at the moment even with a decent interest rate. Hopefully Tesla will bring this to America and get in the innovation going plus Tesla is like the only brand that basically only has 2 trims to choose from with their fleet. Either you want range and a nicer interior, or you don’t. I think they should do what other car brands do and have a base trim and work your way up the trim latter
I expected the cheaper Model 3 to have a metal roof instead of glass roof, which I cover because it’s hot. Metal roofs have some advantages over glass roofs which doesn’t feel like a downgrade. I wish they make a compact SUV version for the robotaxi. They could add a side LCD screen to show the expected passenger.
Metal roofs can be cheaply insulated , thereby saving the battery
tesla makes glass roof so it can be assembly faster. But it is junk, hot and it is expensive when it come to broken or replacement
This is what I have been suggesting all along. There is no need to develop a separate $25k model. With simpler equipment and super efficient manufacturing, slightly lower profit margin? $25k is a real possibility. Why sell it in Mexico only? Lightly equipped model 3/Y is good worldwide.
The new $25k car was to be physically smaller (there are many 3rd world markets where roads are narrow and this would help). So 4 passenger car in a compact package would be ideal. Young adults also tend to favor compact cars like the Golf.
Trying to sell even a mid size luxury car even at $30k would be problematic.
India would be a prime market for such a car if they were allowed in.
@@avgjoe5969lol, your taLking about third world countries says a lot about people from the US. People who do not have a family in Europe, in general prefer smaller cars, size of VW Golf or alike. The same way when you have a family but two cars, that second hand, a small car is preferred as well.
Third world countries, as you said, don't buy many Teslas at all. Tesla won't create a model thinking of those countries, because they would represent a negligible percentage of sales
Americans want heated or cool seats tesla just gotta make there battery's technology better to lower the cost
Completely disagree, this is a slap in the face to everyone who has purchased a Model 3, but Tesla wants to take the easy way out instead of making a new model with some meaningful features.
Because as a consumer I don't want a hollowed out Model 3... I want a fully featured highest trim level subcompact at $25k. If Rivian for example offers that in the R3, I'll buy that, not a barebones Model 3.
i like textile over leather.
Would like to lease a Mexican M3 on the cheap... Textile seats and all. Cull the glass roof
Vague statement about Superchargers. How many New chargers were installed in last six months? Few facts and solid information in this video.👎
While I love ChargePoint, they aren't even close to Tesla. The main problem is their business model - which is to sell equipment to the property owner. Beyond the first year, service is optional and an extra cost to the property owner. So, after the first year, many ChargePoint stalls simply get abandoned. With rare exception, I see ChargePoint stalls as a nice, bonus find, not something to rely upon. But, not everyone gives them the same grace that I do.
Cut the battery in half, remove seat electronics, remove trunk lift, remove aero hubcaps. Boom $25k car.
Edit: forgot, remove 2 doors.
It's 29k currently
@@davidbeppler3032 remove 2 wheels also and you have a bycicle
Then why buy the car?? U still want it to be nice we consumers deserve better
Cutting the battery in half is stupid. Who will buy a Tesla with 160 miles of total range? No one.
Cutting everything related to self driving and luxury would be the best move.
@@snowrocket Also dont get rid of 2 doors. 4 doors outsell 2 doors 4 to 1.
i did not look at over "3,000" teslas, however, for the last 4 years i was considering a used tesla and when you shop around on tesla's website as well as any other reseller, its not difficult to find a tesla with similar mileage, year and features at a price that is identical REGARDLESS of having FSD or not. here was my search; red, model y, long range, white interior, fsd, low mileage.
i could typically find this car at around $38k to $40k and specifically having fsd DOES NOT CHANGE THE PRICE you can find it at.
however, this is not the same as "what is the most i could pay" or "what is the most i could sell it for". i only mean "if you shop around, FSD does not change the price for the buyer"
2021 m3 lr, been checking in on fsd since i made the purchase. Mostly in wooded back roads and general north west nj. These additional cameras and changes in angles make sense. Unprotected turns seem to leave the fsd software wanting more data from the hardware, imho many blind spots need to be addressed.
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In Northern Europe you can't sell a car in that cost bracket without heated seats and steering wheel.... it would be like selling the car in California without A/C.
There will always come a time where the computer, camera's, or situation fail and someone's got to manually override. The steering wheel might be storable under the dash and fold out, but they'll never legally be allowed to deliver without something installed.
Can you discuss FSD use in heavy rain or snow when visibility is limited?
@15:15 I'd buy a plain whatever and *_wrap_* it with something really *unique* (like some *Piet Mondrian* art.)
I’d love to see a downgraded model x option something that could bring it into the 60k range. Like a model y but as a model x. No air ride. No 2nd screen stuff like that would be awesome.
For families who want a 3rd row the x is just too expensive for the average family
They could just lengthen the model Y. I think they need to go more upscale with the S and X. Think Rolls Royce Bentley type market as low production flagship products while model 3 amd Y take care of the masses
We have the model y 7 seater with 3 year old twins in the back row. Kids always fighting over the rear row as it’s like a private area
My BYD has not disappointed me in the least.
This "downgrade" is fine for me. If I get a Tesla, it is going to simply be a Point A to Point B daily driver. That rear monitor would not be used by me and back seat occupancy isn't likely to happen more than once every few months, at most.
I'm in favor of dropping the rear screen and making the interior lighting just white is OK with me. What I really want though is a hatchback model 3. I'm not buying one till I see that.
Tesla did the dumbest thing TWICE with the Model 3: they didn’t make it a hatch-sedan like the Model S. “Oh, just buy the Model Y” everyone says. NO, stupid people! Some of us WANT low-profile sedan styling WITH the utility of a hatch. I like the better aerodynamics and the lower center of gravity.
Mazda had a hatch sedan 6 for a while. You could tell because it had the rear wiper.
Do not buy a lucid unless you have money to burn, the after purchase service is a nightmare, not to mention they have a real chance of bankruptcy which would reduce your lucid to pennies on the dollar as no one would buy the car with no spare parts or service. If you want a high end sports ev that is not Tesla, get the Porsche, their 1-2 year used taycan is insane value, and give you peace of mind
Lucid won’t go out of business any time soon. They’ve got that Saudi public investment fund money behind them.
That said - they don’t seem to be improving sales, so the issues still exist.
@@Meatball2022 Remember the Saudi won't support them forever if they don't see any positive growth in a couple years from now.
@@lancetruong4957 they’ve already pumped $3 billion into it. If they were that concerned about profits they’d have cut off investing long ago.
@@onlythebest3311 If lucid wants to stay in the business in the future they need to make cars to rival model 3 and Y, not S and X.
I don’t need fancy self driving function.
I need my signal and wiper stick back…
Could the model 3 mule with tweaked camera be for the Tesla roadster? They have mentioned it is going into production next year. The idea of a robotaxi being created and produced before the roadster seems a little less likely.
Ditch the glass roof.
Do you think anyone in Mexico cares about heated seats or steering wheel? That would be a show stopped in the Northern US or Canada but in the South or Mexico heated seats are useless. Fabric seats are also more comfortable in hot weather than leatherette seats. Cooled seats are a desirable option in hit climates but if you are trying to save money then cloth is a good alternative. As for that read screen, who thought that was a good idea? It's a waste of money. Passengers in the rear seats already have phones they don't need that screen. An option that Tesla doesn't provide but everyone else does is a WIFI hotspot. A hotspot makes it easier for passengers to use their own tablets
Tesla should have all the right to keep their great charging within their brand. Opening the network is ok, but make those brands use their own apps.
The Uber app is crap, has less features and doesn't improve like other ride-sharing apps and their pricing makes them leave lots of money on the table even when the demand is high and supply low. It's actually shocking that they have 31,000 people working on the app. Musk can make a better product with 1 third of their current labour
What was wrong with normal rear vents? Why there have to be a screen now? That would be my first pointless feature to remove across all the models.
Fabric seats are way nicer then the fake leather option
I love my 2020 Model Y LR, but won't buy a new Tesla until they upgrade some of the amenities that Tesla leaves out. Rather than a downgraded barebones car being of interest, I want a Frunk that can be auto closed, a trunk that will open with a foot gesture if I have my keycard or iPhone on me (so that if I am carrying packages don't have to balance them in my hands or lean them against the car while trying to use the app to open the trunk), some real leather seats, a way to darken the glass in the sky roof when it is really bright outside, and maybe (not as important) a slightly wider seat. It bothers me when I see upgrades to the entertainment system while these functional upgrades are not addressed.
Also, while working on improving the Autopilot and FSD, the GPS system lags way behind in keeping up with roadway changes, such as states that renumber their exits on major Interstates (More than 3 years ago in New York), change interchanges that require different approaches, etc. If I am buying a premium car, I want to have luxurious premium features.
The screen in the rear is useless. No kid would ever use it. Any family that can afford a Tesla will have a tablet for each kid to use for road trips.
yes, it is garbage screen. it get hot and not even useful
Vegan leather is vinyl. Don’t insult leather by calling vinyl leather.
Tesla doesn't even use high quality vinyl. My 4Runner has some type of seat that is much nicer than Tesla and still some sort of vinyl.
The point of a subcompact is a car that is physically smaller. Like a Honda Fit or a Toyota Yaris. There is a market for smaller cars globally, and also increasingly in the U.S. I personally was hoping for an affordable subcompact at highest trim level.
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Every company should have a basic model and option to change extra based on features that customers preference based on there pocket and taste.
Competing with Honda Civic finally.
Getting concerns from the guy who has been f*cking up the taxi market with Uber is kinda funny.. 😄
he is scared in loosing the billions
Remove the cameras/FSD/auto pilot/MCU to make it even cheaper, leave it just a standard EV. Manual rear trunk, only has rear camera (federal requirement). How much range would be increased without MCU sucking up electricity?
Yes! All I want is an AWD EV that has 300+ miles of range and isn’t ugly. I don’t need/want any more tech than navigation and energy use data. Why is that so hard for automakers to understand?
@@snowrocket You need to include price expectation for your requirement. Supporting Apple Play/Android Play would be sufficient.
@@Trust_but_Verify I don't know, $27,000?
If I wanted a striped down model of anything, I would buy a Radio Flyer.
I think Tesla should have a factory for the cheap version of model and a factory for the reg model 3. It won’t affect the assembly line and than that could turn into model Y line also
Why do you think a 'fabric' seat covering is 'cheaper'? Mexico is hot, it makes sense and isn't necessarily lower quality than the usual FABRIC 'vegan' leather
Everyone is saying that Tesla released a cheaper Model 3.
Me checking Tesla Mexican webpage: Tesla Model 3 RWD with the mentioned downgrades 749.000$. Me converting pesos to US Dollar 749.000 = 40.064$.
So where is the under 35.000$ Tesla?
Come on Lucid! Please make it!! Its a Beautiful car! But Need more dealers outside of Calif. (Austin, please!)
No sensor/detectors.. no back camera 😂
I remember one of the differences between the standard vs LR was the premium interior and sound. I don't mind downgrades but I still want the option to have nicer stuff without having to go up to the X or S - if I'm willing to pay for that. I know more options complicates the production line so who knows.
M3 depreciation is $224/mo vs MY depreciation of $372/mo when driven 1k miles per mo? So, over 36mo, the MY depreciation is $5328 more assuming similar models/trims/features. That’s insane.
I always believed the M3 was Robotaxi
Lucid and Tesla are the only real players in town - range charging operation of car etc.
Has anyone stopped to think about how insurance and liability would work if you, as a Tesla owner, would put your vehicle out there to work as a Cyber-taxi? Is the vehicle owner liable or Tesla, being the driver of the vehicle with FSD?
Now they should make an even worse version with no AI no fsd. Can call it the Terminator edition
Still waiting on the model Y refresh or Juniper.
I have 2014 model s but with mcu2 upgrade. U can get mcu upgrade from tesla to ur mcu1 car. And on friday i finally got yt music on my 10yo car.
I wouldn't mind a gutted Tesla for 25-30k
That car exist now check website
The hyperloop, any moment now. Any...moment...now...I'm so hyped up for the hyperloop.
For a possible cheaper variant there are some things that I don’t think you need, like heated seats, but some things I wouldn’t want to do without, such as the acoustic glass. Everyone’s wants and needs are of course different. Unfortunately, sounds like it’s all or nothing.
just waiting to see what the used cyber trucks are going to hit the market for lol.
I’ll bet the depreciation will be huge. The Cybertruck did not get off to a great start to begin with and the USA economy is spiraling downward.
@snowrocket I hope your right. I could afford it at ~40k not at 80k+ lol
@@shaunnichols8170 F150 Lightnings are going for $40,000, which is roughly half of what the MSRP was.
I got my Tesla model S when it was three years old was used, it came with FSD, very low milage It still is the best car I have ever bought.
It’s not a downgrade , if couple of thousand cheaper. Less equipment!
Is this a good time to get a Model Y or wait next yeat for the new one?
There is no make or break moment for Tesla. Robotaxi isn't even that big a market. It's not a major part of their future it's just hype. Selling their cars is the future of Tesla. FSD can continue to progress. It might be make or break for my Tesla stock....
when do you think model 3 and y will go to 800 volt and 48 volt systems?
Hilarious! FSD is years away from being usable in a robotaxi without user controls.
I don’t know I use mine all day everyday and it’s amazing
It’s a lot closer than you think. Use 12.5 then comment.
so if I buy a new model 3 in the US this fall (long range).. will I have heated seats / wheel and the rear screen along with RGB lights? the heated wheel is a deal breaker for me as i live in cold climate and am one of those skinny dudes thats never warm.. ill buy another car is the M3 LR loses the heated wheel..
How come it’s hard to find any info about what happens when you’re in a RoboTaxi and there is an accident?
These sterile interiors are ahead of their time. A time when you hop into the car, programmed where to go, and start a move, book, or some other diversion. Perhaps occasionally looking up to take momentary interest in where you are at along your journey or maybe to adjust the temperature, otherwise the interior is meant to provide comfort and safety. The "driving experience" (good and bad) we know and knew of in the past will eventually fade into tales of yore and museum pieces.
think is discouraging. Tesla, is down grading while the comp is ramping up the options and staying at a now price.
A self-driving car that I can own versus rent is the best choice.
This is the only dog whose talking about the same thing over and over again like dam
The bots just keep the comments fired up. The negativity towards Musk, coming from people who claim to be the morally correct.
Ironic isn’t it.
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@@larrytornetta9764 Who used to be the ones who actually bought Teslas !
In my climate, I'd happily take cloth seats in my '19 Model 3 and I can easily live without heated seats/steering wheel. I would probably turn off the light strip if my car had it, so don't care about that either. I feel like Tesla has gone minimalist in all the wrong ways, while maintaining/adding gimmicks. Put the turn signals back where they belong, and if you really need to save that $5, how about a regular 'ole button on the glovebox? You can even give me a push-latch charging door-really, it's fine.
I prefer cloth over leather
what camera gear are you using, looks very nice
The most important parts of these cars are the safety components. Just sayin’!😊
How do you know that "all of these used Lucids are lightly driven" as stated? That's an odd proclamations make and entirely unnecessary for purposes of this video. Lucid's used inventory is the same as Teslas is the same as Audi or Toyota. Each one is a mystery and it's important to inspect each one carefully to try to get an idea how it was actually treated.
Also, the Tesla screen being portrait or landscape isn't an indicator of MCU1. Tesla made cars for years (4ish) with a portrait screen layout that were an upgraded MCU2. Just seeing a portrait layout doesn't necessarily mean it's MCU1. Especially since Tesla introduced a path for MCU1 cars to upgrade to MCU2. It's a pretty safe bet to say that MOST (as in more than 50%) cars these days with a portrait layout screen or probably MCU2 by now.
Hopefully this will help Tesla charge 60k for new Model Y. The value is there, they just need to find ways to get people to see the value. Current Model Y deals are insane for what you are getting. A superior car, superior ride quality, superior sound dampening (with 3dmax spider), superior control, superior safety.. the list goes on. BUY NOW!!!!!!
Love the car, but wouldn’t be caught dead in one thanks to Musk.
Everyone is much less likely to be caught dead in the safest car ever built 🤷♂️
@@malcolmrickarby2313 You don’t seem to be getting the point, it’s not that I don’t believe you but do we have actual stats on that ?
@@user-rq1mk9hi4x yes, it has consistently achieved the highest ever scores in crash testing and all other safety measures. With FSD it has achieved the least collisions per million miles of any cars.😀
The tbyd683 data is very interesting especially FSD cost 3/y vs x/s
Downgrading the model 3 should be an option, since the price of the base Model 3 is still within the 'premium' range and shall offer all of the premium features it offers now, specially for an EV car, which type of platform faces slower sell growth compared to ICE makers.
I think (and hope) Tesla only tests the cheaper Model 3 alternative for Mexican market for the upcoming "Model 2" with bigger price cut and confirmed downgrade of the features/specs.
i would totally buy this. being in so cal heated seat/steering is waste. dont care much about the rear springs.
Could it be also a gesture towards rental companies who usually prefer as basic as possible models?
Perfect use by tesla for used and returned tesla's - refurb them and turn them into RoboTaxi's !
Ft Pierce Fl has a new charging site with 40 chargers! Cant understand why its been sitting for more than 2 months w/o being activated! Any ideas?
Tesla is gonna sell u battery on wheels for 25k lol model 3 Is already barebones....and fsd still doesn't work as advertised over last decade. Elon should sell x buy polestar and put his software in it. You would have a better product than current models
.because fsd may take another 10years to be approved by nhtsa.😅
TRUE full self driving is Level 5. From what I’ve read Tesla’s best FSD is Level 2 or 3. You are correct; it’s going to take a while before this robotaxi stuff is actually ready.
Yea! Cloth seats! I know that cloth seats aren't for everyone, but for me, not being able to get cloth seats is a deal breaker. and no, I don't mind shampooing my cloth seats about once per year to keep them looking fresh.
Elon Musk should read all these comments and take notes. Then maybe he will be as productive and rich as you. lol.
México vehicles are almost all lower spec than their US equivalents. México buyers are very price sensitive.
Sometimes these are full, this used to only happen to me in Las Vegas, now it happens down the street most every weekend. There is no queue system and this is part of the problem. It's still leagues ahead of EA, but it's getting worse from where I sit.
Let’s assume for a second that Tesla figures out FSD and lets everyone who has it use their teslas as robotaxis. In what world is an insurer gonna insure your car without charging an arm and a leg and what is gonna prevent Tesla from just giving any preference to their cars and not privately owned?
Tesla have their own insurance.🤷♂️
I would never lend my vehicle out as a taxi, and I have no idea why anyone who can afford a Tesla want to give it out for ride shares…
@@jtdraco4717 in 12 states (with questionable rates and reliability when accidents occur) 🙄
@@JC-cf4rsyou are you , if they want to give their car as a taxis it's there choices, it's ok.
@@JC-cf4rswhy not? If your net profit was $30,000 per year from it couldn’t you just buy another one with the profits from the first one and repeat often to build up a fleet. Not saying you would make that much but there must be a price that makes it a no brainer for you.
Well I’ll be honest Tesla has been doing everything possible not to make its vehicles more appealing to consumers. Removing the stalks unnecessary screens in the rear console. Awkward door handles among other things. I prefer what Rivian has been doing with its design choices.
Then buy a rivian. I find button way more convenient than stalks. Like most new tech, it will have a learning curve.
@@CRPerformance1plenty of people are buying rivians and other cars due to these design choices. No one needs your permission or encouragement.
@@singed8853God forbid someone comments on their opinion about the state of affairs at Tesla. How dare they. Their opinion doesn't matter!!!!!!!!!!!
Most people saying this haven't actually driven a stalkless car. In the US, it's completely fine, if not MORE natural.
@@benwhittle7204it hasn’t sunk in that you indicate before you turn🤔
His Twitter posts are not helping him sell, he turned me off im looking elsewhere.
Emergency braking should be a basic part of the car's safety features, not only included with FSD.
When do you think the Non-FS version of the Cybertruck will be available ?
That's not how to pronounce "heralded."