Woodturning a Platter with Thick Inlays
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- čas přidán 15. 06. 2024
- What really intrigued me about building and using a CNC machine was the idea of being able to cut complex inlays that I could then wood turn. I've done several projects with this in mind, but in these projects I've always used a straight router bit to get a deep inlay. In woodturning, the inlay needs some thickness to be able to have a curved surface. What I've been trying to do over the last few months is to do v-carved inlays where you use a bit that has a point on it to carve the positive and negative of the inlay. What this allows is more pointy inside corners. You can use the tip of the tool to carve that corner. But I have found this becomes much more complicated as the inlay is now a three-dimensional object and not just a straight extrusion. There are many videos online about doing the carve inlays but none of them really talk about doing deep or thick inlays as most people are doing inlays for cutting boards or surface work. The first mistake I made early on is that I need to define the bit that I'm using very precisely in the program. The bit I was using had a 30 second of an inch diameter bullnose at the tip and I had been defining it as just a pointed bit with an infinitely pointy point. This small detail made the inlay not fit correctly. After cutting the piece that I had worked on gluing together, and had done many many tests, I thought everything was working well. However, when I cut the pieces to see how they had fit together, they still did not fit together correctly. I put the project aside for a few weeks and I thought about why I was having a problem. I think what I had done was I had made a design that looks symmetrical but I hadn't quite drawn it symmetrical. When I put the pieces together I just didn't have them oriented correctly and they didn't quite fit perfectly. So in my final iteration, I redrew my shapes to be perfectly symmetrical and thus it wouldn't matter which way they went in. And in this final piece it seems to be working fairly well. I think the other issue that I need to work through is that it takes a lot of force to glue the two angled inlays together. So I need to make some kind of press for gluing up the pieces.
After all of my experiments with inlays, I finally woodturned a simple platter on the lathe. The form was a small bowl in the center with a very wide rim. I could put the thick inlays in this wide rim. This was a first step in trying to make a not very complicated woodturning project to practice woodturning with inlays.
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0:00 (introduction)
1:13 (glue up)
3:33 (testing inlays)
6:19 (glue up)
8:08 (CNC)
15:00 (second attempt)
21:33 (woodturning)
24:36 (conclusion) - Jak na to + styl
that stop motion was insane
No joke..thats dedication to quality content and viewer understanding right there
The amount of work for a 10 second shot.
Incredible.
Frank is the Steven Spielberg of filming woodworking!
Man you are a wood worker, cad design specialist, cnc operator, stop motion prodigy and Moby lookalike. You are awesome Frankie! 😅
Your animation and stop motion film making is now almost on par with your wood working skill, which is outstanding, lovely bowl Frank.
Im glad that you figured out the issue and impressed and pleased that you kept plugging away at it until you had something. Weaker willed folks might have given up. I also enjoyed the recurring theme of tossing the work piece onto a surface and letting the autoclamps do the rest. Ive been watching you for 7 years and its still fresh and new yet familiar and comforting. Keep up the good work.
Your perseverance and patience are incredible! Nothing seems to frustrate you so much that you throw everything in the corner and give up! My respect!
Every time I want to do an inlay i have to go back to a video i watched that very clearly laid it all out for me - it wasn't nearly as complicated or hacky as yours, but maybe I wasn't doing as deep of an inlay that it mattered? This is the tutorial i have bookmarked as a refresher each time -- The VCarve Inlay Technique by Shawn Gano
Frank - I love the stop motion and animation in this video. Great job letting us see what’s going on inside the piece.
Frank you’re a genius
It's a good start to the day when Frank posts a video. Keep them coming!
Love watching a master of their craft problem-solve their way to learning a new skill.
Frank just took it to another level, Again.
You saying, " you didn't think far enough ahead" makes me feel like I'm just winging it with every project. Great work🤙🏾
I loved the real life section view sweep on the first failed attempt.
My god frank, you make everyone on CZcams, woodworkers film making look like amateurs. Amazing work as always. Love your videos, and cant get enough of watching them, i always end up going back to your older videos and watch them again for the 10th time
That stop-motion of the cross section of the test piece was amazing. Reminds me of the "WoodSwimmer" video.
Frank, making a 2 hour job last a month is called retirement! It is those problem solving situations that makes the grey matter work and keeps the interest up. I have been adding 'features' to my drill press (motorised up/down table, automatic lock/unlock and air or lubrication blast inspired by Marius Hornburger) for the last 2 months as I wait for parts or change the arduino code to get it working as it should.
Well that wasn't a video, but a Show!! Its truly a labor of love. Beautiful Platter!!
Mr. Howarth , you are my hero! thanks for sharing.
I think it's safe to say , that you're on another level than the rest of us!
i have really enjoyed watching the production value of these videos increase over time. they're just fun to watch.
Gave up on clamps long ago. I just screw the work to the machine bed. Easy and quick. No obstacles. Inlays are about the bits and the depths. You should make a wood "press" to glue the inlays (like a sandwich). That will help the inlay to go down nice and straight. Nice work on a pretty sophisticated project. Thanks for video!!!
It’s always fun to see where your whimsy takes you
Fantastic work as usual Frank! That bowl really turned out looking great! 👍👍
The production quality is always a joy to witness!
Fascinating, whilst I sit drinking my coffee. 😀
If the software has a user group, you might find the procedure you used was the way to do it... Great tray.👍
This is a beautiful piece of art….😮
man, you are from outer space! i literally cannot follow! kudos to you
Such beautiful creations you make.
As if art had married math and science…
in the future, no need to have a symmetrical shape, you just need to mirror the inlay and use this mirrored shape to program the cnc. when you actually "rotate" the part to glue it in, it's kinda mirroring it again so it fits perfectly!
A lot of trial and error. Kudos for your perseverance. Turned out real nice.
Now that is a really nice platter!! love the inlay of maple! Almost makes me want to make something like that! Alas, no CNC or lathe!! The finish is wonderful!! Your videos and woodworking are TOP notch!! Thanks for sharing!! Always look forward to your videos!!
unreal how much work goes into making one of these videos......not to mention the project itself. Thank you Frank
So great that you were able to get on top of the bit-radius factor which has been such a strong snag in your design process. The result is exquisite.
No words suitable. I enjoyed that.
Birdy
It’s fascinating to watch how you work through the issues. Thanks for sharing all the thought process..
That's fantastic, Frank. The only problem for me is that since I don’t do CNC work, my head is spinning from all the explanations lol. That doesn't detract from how amazing it turned out, though.
Bill
Turned out (sic!) really nice! lovely project and well done!
Remarkable video and remarkable bowl. You are so gifted!
I absolutely love your combination of hi-tech and analogue craftsmanship, Frank. As always, the finished piece was incredible. Thank you so much for all the effort you put into sharing your thoughts and processes with us.
Great project. Alas there is no CNC in my life. Thank you for sharing. Have a great day and stay safe.🙂🙂
You lost me at the start but it's a fascinating project. Well done. Looks incredible
Always love the 3D overlays! And the bowl turned out so beautiful 💗
I honestly don't, they are annoying and obscure Frank's great craftsmanship.
When pushing the plugs in place you're trying to compress air and glue (you have a pretty tight fit of your pieces, the glue is a good sealant for trapping the air) so a tiny hole somewhere in your plug or your main pieces might help with clamping, because then the air can escape.
I’d love to see your take on a crokinole board! This kinda reminded me of one
Thank you for spending the time to show us your process and mistakes!
Nice work! I kept thinking that would be a great concept for a Christmas platter. The shape even looked like a tree and the inlays ornaments.
I realy like this piece, great color and inlay.
What an interesting project. The thought processes and problem solving were pretty involved. It turned out really lovely.
Frank, you never cease to amaze me!
Love the bowl. Can you do a second one on the CNC. Just to see how it would turn out.
You sure worked for this piece but then, that's what make it fun.
Very good explanation and beautiful project. It has a Frank Lloyd Wright feel to it.
That is a very unique piece. Great work Frank.
Beautiful, as always.
Stunning piece, Frank! Really beautiful work! 😃
Sometimes all the work and headache pays off!
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
That’s beautiful. Something to mount on the wall.
True artistry.
Very nice, thanks for sharing all you have learned. Charles
Looks like a Big12 logo, haha. Great work!
So very pretty. That looks so good. And so technically complex. Seems like it'd be far stronger than normal (thinner) bow ties.
The striped inlay pattern is really cool. It's so fun to watch the constant learning and technical improvement. Always impressive.
A clock face like this would be amazing! It doesn't have to have numbers, just positions. Maybe symbols for the cardinal points?
Your perseverance is admirable 👍
Great project and video
Thank you Frank
A pleasure to watch. Thanks for making videos 😊
Great Video! Love the technological overlays!
Amazing work! Thank you for sharing.
It's gorgeous ! Magnificent item !!! 😊
Looks so beautiful
awesome work as always!
Impressive making and filmmaking. Great work!
Another fun project. And as always, enjoyable to watch. :)
Always a pleasure to see your work come together. The ability to create, program, figure out the right material, and then make all that work out time after time is a great thing.
I used to run CNC milling machines in the 90’s, so I am not sure about the software you have today. Couldn’t you do the tool path for one quadrant, then mirror that in the c axis and the y axis? That should ensure symmetry.
Great work Frank, thanks for sharing.
Always absolutely awesome👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
18:29 Bravo!
If you were going to do these inlays on a much more expensive or harder-to-replace substrate, it might be worth investing in a low-cost 3D scanner. You could scan the cutouts and their corresponding inlay pieces to confirm they match geometrically before gluing them in... Thank you for innovating at the cutting edge (pun intended) of CNC woodworking:)
Such a cool piece!
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Looks great
That's brilliant, mate.
Try experimenting with using your log as the plug for the inlays. I bet it would look really cool!
Fun piece!
lots of setbacks Frank, way to persevere!
20:58 For your next project that requires something held down while it dries but is too large for your clamps, go to your local Value Village or Goodwill store and see if they have an old barbell set and use one of the round disk weights as your clamp...
Alternatively, your local Habitat Restore should have some pavers or patio squares you can use...
Or, if you live in (or near) a Rural area, see if you can find a large rock with a flat face on it to use as a weight...
nice job
for that waste block on the back, some turners on yt use hot glue and it seems to work great.
Wonderful video Frank! I've recently been learning how to do inlays on the CNC too. I'm using the same 6.2 degree bit. I've found that cutting into endgrain makes for super clean inlays, so you might try that sometime. I've been using Fusion 360 to make the tool paths. It seemed to work okay but kinda hacky at times as well. Would be interested to see you try it!
Amazing!!
The success ❤
Wow!!!!😮 that's all I got
Your amazing
Super cool
Beauty!
This was a awesome video dude! You should look into a arbour press if you looking for something inexpensive. They are small but have a range of forces (1/2 to 5 tons???!) and would be perfect for the inlays. The throat of the press could potentially be the only limiting factor.
If you sprinkle a bit of course salt on the glue up it will stop it from sliding:)
Too bad you've already done the globe, I would have thought the vcarving would have been the way to go on that. Being a retired engineer, I appreciate your measured approach to developing new skills and processes, and am dying to see what you decide to do with this one on a sphere.
Your gluing issue at 14:04 seems like an interesting issue in hydraulics. Might be fun to experiment with different types of glue, potentially with different solvents. Or carving in channels for the excess air/glue to escape.
Cool! With respect to the Purpleheart: might messing with the spindle speed and feed rate have made a difference to the amount of tear out?
_I like that pushing shoe best_
About the press/holding jig (for glue ups of big pieces where clamps doesn't reach.). I think you could put your pieces under a bench and use rods to push the piece against the top. Those rod doesn't have to be perfect, better if they are flexible so you can bend them into position. I hope it make sense.
Magnifique...