In the Prog Seat: Our Favorite Sophomore/Second Albums!
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Chad's TOP FIVE SECOND ALBUMS
1. Dream Theater, âImages and Wordsâ
2. Rush, âFly By Nightâ
3. Bruford, âOne of a Kindâ
4. Spockâs Beard, âBeware of Darknessâ
5. Camel, âMirageâ
HMs:
âą Anglagard, âEpilogâ
âą Aurora Clara, âClear Dawnâ
âą DFA, âDuty Free Areaâ
âą Al Di Meola, âElegant Gypsyâ
âą Echolyn, âSuffocating the Bloomâ
âą Mike Keneally & Beer for Dolphins, âSluggo!â
âą Kenso, âKenso IIâ
âą Morglbl, âBienvenue a Morglblâ
âą Somnambulist, âParanormal Humidorâ
Ken Golden
Eloy - Inside
Il Balletto Di Bronzo - Ys
Banco - Darwin
National Health - Of Queues And Cures
Triumvirat - Illusions On A Double Dimple
HM:
Black Bonzo - Sound Of The Apocalypse
Diablo Swing Orchestra - Sing Along Songs For The Damned & Delerious
Ericâs Picks
5. ĂnglagĂ„rd- Epilog
4. Al DiMeola - Elegant Gypsy
3. Dixie Dregs - Freefall
2. Mahavishnu Orchestra- Birds of Fire
1. Happy the Man - Crafty Hands
HM
Kansas - Song For America
Steve Hackett - Please Donât Touch
Brand X - Moroccan Roll
Camel - Mirage
Charles Alvarez
Top 5 Sophomore Picks
5-Ceux du Dehors-Univers Zero
4-A Tab In The Oceans-Nektar
3-Silent Feet-Eberhard Weber
2-So Far-Faust
1-Absolutely Free-Frank Zappa and The Mothers of Invention
Honorable Mentions
*Animal Notes-Crack The Sky
*The Wake-IQ
*The Rotterâs Club
George
5. Thank You Scientist - Stranger Heads Prevail
4. Haken - Visions
3. Dream Theater - Images and Words
2. Al Di Meola - Elegant Gypsy
1. Andromeda - II=I
HM
Fates Warning - The Spectre Within
Ark - Burn the Sun
Angra - Holy Land
Pete's picks:
Dream Theater-Images and Words
Jethro Tull-Stand Up
Focus-II-Moving Waves
Kansas-Song for America
Atomic Rooster-Death Walks Behind You
The second album that I bought for the album cover that changed my musical taste from top 40/simple rock to prog :
Kansas: Song For America
Procol Harum - Shine on Brightly
ELO II
Styx II
Soft Machine - Volume Two
The Moody Blues - Days of Future Passed
And yes, Faust - So Far. That was the first Krautrock album I ever heard.
Days of Future Passed - Moody Blues
Aenima - Tool
I, Robot - Alan Parsons Project
Origin of Symmetry - Muse
Dirt - Alice In Chains
Mama Said - Lenny Kravitz
Please Donât Touch - Steve Hackett
About Face - David Gilmour
Scratch - Peter Gabriel
Hotter Than Hell - KISS
High & Dry - Def Leppard
My dream band called Sophomore consists of members who appeared on every album except the bandâs debut:
Vocals - James LaBrie
Guitars - David Gilmour, Justin Hayward
Bass - Justin Chancellor, John Lodge
Keyboards - Ryo Okumoto, Richard Tandy (except Jeff Lynneâs ELO), Richard Barbieri
Drums - Neil Peart, Ian Mosley
First time I've seen Lenny Kravitz, KISS, or Def Leppard considered in the Prog/Fusion genre. Why do you consider them that way?
Chuck, "Ceux du Dehors" is the third album of UNIVERS ZERO, their second album is the wonderful and creepy "Heresie."
1-Shadow Gallery : Carved in Stone
2- Soft Machine : Two
3- Egg : The Polite Force
4- Magma : 1001 ° Centigrades
5- Present : Le Poison qui rend fou
As I hear them:
5. Genesis - "Trespass'
4. Cluster - "Cluster II"
3. Gentle Giant - "Acquiring the Taste"
2. Bill Bruford - "One of a Kind"
1. Anglagard - "Epilog"
My top 5:
1 Rush- Fly by night
2 Dream Theater- Images and words
3 Spocks Beard- Beware of darkness
4 Kansas- Song for America
5 Flying Colors-Second nature
1. Steven Wilson - Grace For Drowning
2. Dream Theater - Images & Words
3. Riverside - Second Life Syndrome
4. UK - Danger Money
5. ELP - Tarkus
6. Asia - Alpha
7. John Wetton - Battle Lines
8. Chick Corea Elektric Band - Light Years
9. Focus - Moving Waves
10. Transatlantic - Bridge Across Forever
Great list.
Tarkus is their 3rd
Pictures should be seen as the 2nd because it's a ' New Material ' Live album.
Not mentioned:
Saga - Images at Twilight
Steven Wilson - Grace for Drowning
Riverside - Second Life Syndrome
Uriah Heep - Salisbury
Peter Gabriel - Scratch
Dave Gilmour - About Face
Tiles - Fence the Clear
Steve Howe - Steve Howe Album
Liquid Tension Experiment - II
Derek Sherinian - Inertia
Starcastle - Fountains of Light
John Wetton - Battle Lines
Salisbury definitely should've been mentioned.
1. Emerson Lake and Palmer - Tarkus
2. Marillion - Fugazi
3. IQ - The Wake
4. Van Der Graaf Generator - The Least We Can Do is Wave to Each Other
5. Hawkwind - In Search of Space
Wasn't that hard since many of those prog bands were much better on their 3rd. Plus some prog bands weren't that proggy on their seconds LPs (Rush, Jethro Tull - both great bands but I went with really proggy albums)
Here's my top 5:
5. Giraffe - The View From Here
4. Marillion - Fugazi
3. Saga - Images at Twilight
2. Kansas - Song for America
1. Spocks Beard - Beware of Darkness
Too many honorable mentions to list.
The only one I have that hasn't been mentioned is Alpha Centauri by Tangerine Dream. Amazing album much better than their first.
1. Genesis- Trespass
2. Yes- Time And A Word
3. Pink Floyd- A Saucerful of Secrets
4. Queen II
5. Jethro Tull- Stand Up
6. ELP- Tarkus
7. Dream Theater- Images and Words
8. Asia- Alpha
9. Marillion- Fugazi
10. Rush- Fly By Night
11. The Moody Blues- Days of Future Passed
HM:
- Kansas- Song For America
- Camel- Mirage
- Styx II
- U.K.- Danger Money
- I.Q.- The Wake
From this list it's Trespass that's the standout - for changing the band's direction & sound completely (and leading to for me the best ever prog band). Time And A Word to a lesser extent...
Excellent list Kamran.
â@@wolf1977It has to be The Moodies !!
Tarkus is actually their 3rd.
I just listened to that Be Bop Deluxe before the show.
One of the first I thought of !
Futurama is fantastic follow up to Axe Victim, Futurama is their best record for me.
1. Camel - Mirage
2. Jethro Tull - Stand Up
3. Focus - Moving Waves
4. Eloy - Inside
5. Kansas - Song For America
6. Amon Duul II - Yeti
7. RPWL - Trying To Kiss The Sun
8. Riverside - Second Life Syndrome
9. Van Der Graaf Generator - The Least We Can Do Is Wave To Each Other
10. White Willow - Ex Tenebris
Great list Jeffrey.
@@christophercoles4401 Thanks, Chris.
I like the way the screen is divvied up. Looks cleaner.
One of the best second albums I ever heard is Il Bacio Della Medusa - Discesa Agl'Inferi d'un Giovane Amante from 2008.
My top 5 prog or instrumental 2nd albums
Eric Johnson- Ah Via Musicom
Rush- Fly by Night
Styx- II
Chicago- II
Jeff Beck- Blow by Blow
1) Alan Parsons Project - I Robot
2) Haken - Visions
3) PFM - Per Un Amico
4) Mahavishnu Orchestra - Birds Of Prey
5) The Mars Volta - Frances The Mute
Honorable Mentions:
UK - Danger Money
Crack The Sky - Animal Notes
Marillion - Fugazi
Kansas - Song For America
Chicago - Chicago II
The Moody Blues - Days Of Future Passed
Steve Hackett - Please Don't Touch
Triumvirat - Illusions On A Double Dimple
Focus - Moving Waves
Dream Theater - Images And Word
Camel - Mirage
Atomic Rooster - Death Walks Behind You
1. Camel - Mirage
2. Pink Floyd - A Sauserful of Secrets
3. Genesis - Trespass
4. ELP - Tarkus
And some krautrock albums I love but think they are not that kind of prog:
Kraftwerk - Kraftwerk 2
Neu! - Neu! 2
Cluster - Cluster 2
La DĂŒsseldorf - Viva
Harmonia - De Luxe
#5 Opeth, Morning rise
#4 Jethro Tull, Stand Up
#3 Enslaved, Frost
#2 Amorphis, Tales from the Thousand lakes
#1 Mahavishnu Orchestra, Birds of Fire
There's certainly some bugs that need worked out on this new program. Lots of weird sounds being picked up. The sound is much better on the Zoom. Pete sounds fine, but it's everyone else's audio that is hit or miss. I know Prezzie makes things backwards, but I like the picture of the album better in the square. But again that does cut out the person sometimes too. Just my observations. Martin Popoff would not be a fan of the production. đšđŠ
I could say something about your 'Dutch boys Lament ' recording Jimmy!đ
Sounds like someone's playing with bubble wrap or something at times. Pretty distracting.
Working through using the new tool. I think we have it figured out.
Gotta give these guys some love, how about supergroup Transatlantic with Bridge across forever.
Airbag - All Rights Removed
Blackfield II
Porcupine Tree - Up The Downstair
Riverside - Second Life Syndrome
No Softies replaced by Just Buy It as the new In the Prog Seat motto
lolâŠBirds of FireâŠjust buy it
Great show: got some excellent pics to dive into. Just love the eclectic nature of it all
Camel - Mirage
Rush - Fly By Night
Santana - Abraxas
Nektar - A Tab in the Ocean
Opeth - Morningrise
1. Robert Wyatt 'Rock Bottom'
2. National Health 'Of Queues & Cures'
3. Jethro Tull 'Stand Up'
4. Barclay James Harvest 'Once Again'
5. Hatfield and the North 'The Rotters' Club'
Wow, didn't realise that Rock Bottom was a sophomore album, that's a truly great one!
Omnia Opera - Red Shift
Area - Caution Radiation Area
Ange - Le CimetiĂšre des arlequins
Matching Mole's Little Red Record
Was holding my breath waiting for Suffocating the Bloom. I can breathe now.
Ars Nova - TrÀnsi [female Japanese band, listen to it]
Moving Gelatine Plates - The World of Genius Hans
Amon DĂŒĂŒl -Yeti
Magma - 1001 Centigrades
Fermata - Huascaran [Slovak, listen]
Goblin - Roller
If we count Roxy Music as prog then For Your Pleasure is easily my number one.
If not:
RUSH - Fly By Night
1) Hiromasa Suzuki & Rock Joint Cither - Silk Road (1973)
2) Prism - Second Thoughts/Second Move (1978)
3) Alphonso Johnson - Yesterdayâs Dreams (1976)
4) Weather Report - I Sing The Body Electric (1972)
5) Al Di Meola - Elegant Gypsy (1977)
I decided I'd only list 2nd albums that were a dramatic leap forward from relatively weak first albums. I could only come up with three that really fit the pattern: Focus, Moving Waves; Jethro Tull, Stand Up; and Gentle Giant, Acquiring the Taste. (Later: I see Pete named 2 of my 3.) I would've included Dixie Dregs, but I've never actually heard their first one.
Fugazi - Marillion
Cardington - Lifesigns
Pride - Arena
Wintercoast - Touchstone
Images and Words - Dream Theater
A Saucerful of Secrets - Pink Floyd.
Once Again - Barclay James Harvest
Images at Twilight - Saga
Really wish they would re release the anglagard cds
Chuck: I think Eberhard Weber's second album is "Yellow Fields" from 1976. Splendid stuff!
1. MĂ„ltid by Samla Mammas Manna
2. Magicians Hat by Bo Hansson
3. FlÀsket by FlÀsket Brinner
4. Geafar by Haikara
5. God says I can't dance by Tipographica
6. Per un amico by PFM
7. Devil Doll
8. Deleyed by Ălgarnas TrĂ€dgĂ„rd
9. 4visions by Eskaton
10. Epilog by ĂnglagĂ„rd
11. Satori by Flower Travellin Band
Excellent show, lads! l havenât read the comments yet, but five not mentioned on the show:
Iluvatar ~ Children
Shadow Gallery ~ Carved in Stone
Arena ~ Pride
QueensrĂżche ~ Rage for Order
Rainbow ~ Rising
HM:
Iron Maiden ~ Killers
Judas Priest ~ Sad Wings of Destiny
Cheers from The Big Apple.
Rock Out and Prog OnâŠ
⊠In each and every lexicon!
Your clone and mine,
~ The Delirious and Divine DoppelgÀnger of Davey Cretin, from CRETIN CLASSICS.
Eric, every time I hear someone reference your affinity for instrumental music I wonder whether or not you are a fan of classical music. Is that something you enjoy?
I do, canât say I am well versed in it, but I do listen to classical music
PFM - Per Un Amico
Genesis - Trespass
Van der Graaf Generator - At Least We Can Wave at Each Other
Il Balleto di Bronzo - YS
Dixie Dregs - What If
âGretchen Goes To Nebraskaâ- Kingâs X
âRage For Orderâ-QueensrĂżche
âPower Of The Nightâ- Savatage
Supprised no one mentioned Genesis-Trespass, King Crimson-In the Wake of Posiden and especially ELP-Tarkus
Anthony had Trespass on his list and I had it in my honorables.
I had all 3 in my honorable mentions.
What was Ken's Italian prog pick? Il valetta de bonzo? Anyone help?
Il Balletto Di Bronzo, with the always incredible manic sonic labyrinth of Ys !
Picks are posted now
@@georgelamie7001 thanks both!
- Focus: Moving Waves
- ELP: Tarkus
- Yes: Time and a Word
- Genesis: Trespass
- Earth & Fire: Song of the Marching Children
- Magick Brother & Mystic Sister: Tarot Part I
- Hawkwind: In Search of Space
- PFM: Per un Amico
- Soft Machine: Volume Two
- King Crimson: In the Wake of Poseidon
- Caravan: If I Could Do it All Over Again I'd Do It All Over You
- Steve Hillage: L
- Banco del Mutuo Soccorso: Darwin!
- Brainticket: Psychonaut
- Kansas: Song For America
- Happy the Man: Crafty Hands
- Starcastle: Fountains of Light
- Pulsar: Strands of the Future
- Harmonium: Les Cinq Saisons
- Sloche: Stadaconé
- Maneige: Les Porches
- Tangerine Dream: Alpha Centauri
- Osanna: Preludio, Tema, Variazioni, Canzona (Milano Calibro 9)
- Goblin: Roller
- Eela Craig: One Niter
Genesis: Trespass
Kansas: Song for America
Santana: Abraxas
Hendrix: Axis Bold as Love
Roxy Music: For Your Pleasure
Scoredatura/'Honest Oblivion' (2018). Unknown Australian Instrumental Prog Metal. The first album, 'Tense' is almost just as good. One of those bands, though really more of a 'project', that sounds like a lot of things, but at the same time, is like nothing else. I'm almost 63 years old and almost every time I sit down to play guitar, these guys influence me. A modern version of 70's hard rock, metal, prog, fusion, meets a stripped down version of 'djent'.
Amon Duul II - Yeti
Invisible - Durazno Sangrando
National Health - Of Queues and Cures
Caravan - If I Could Do it All Over Again, I'd Do it All Over You
La Maquina de Hacer Pajaros - Peliculas
Rush - Fly by Night
ELP - Tarkus
Kansas - Song for America
VdGG - The Least We Can Do is...
Marillion - Fugazi
I forgot Cairo "Conflict and Dreams"
Not much a prog fan Because I donât like keyboards but I like you guys so Iâm watching.
Yup , same here đ
Must be because Ken is so nice.
@@chriscanzoneri5384 haha , sure đ
Great show guys, unfortunately some major audio bugs, and it seems a lot more lo=fi sounding.
Genesis - Trespass
National Health - Of Queues and Cures
Happy the Man - Crafty Hands
Camel - Mirage
Steve Hackett - Please Don't Touch
Working through using the new tool. I think we have it figured out.
I don't like the 2nd of King Crimson. Yes and Genesis have ok 2nd albums, but got better soon after. So I mainly go with newer bands.
1. Dream Theater - Images & Words
2. Magic Pie - Circus of Life
3. Riverside - Second Life Syndrome
4. Queen - II
5. Mastodon - Leviathan
Gentle Giant - Acquiring the Taste
Chicago - II
Marillion - Fugazi
Flying Colors - Second Nature
Haken - Visions
Pink Floyd - A Saucerful Of Secrets
5. Fusioon (1974) (Spanish Jazz Rock/Prog)
4. Missus Beastly (1974)
3. Patto - Hold Your Fire (1972)
2. Hoelderlin (1975)
1. SECRET OYSTER - Sea Son (1974)
HM's - Boxer - Absolutely (1977)
Daryl Way's Wolf - Saturation Point (1973)
Queensryche - Rage For Order (1986)
Max Webster - High Class In Borrowed Shoes (1977)
Greenslade - Bedside Manners Are Extra (1973)
STARCASTLE - Fountains of Light (1977)
Emergency - Entrance (1972)
Ambrosia - Somewhere I've Never Travelled (1976)
Sky - 2 (1980)
Chute Libre - Ali Baba (1978) (French Jazz Fusion)
Doldinger - Second Passport (1972)
"Look at Yourself" is Heep's third album.
Kensas - Song for America
You know that will make his 5.
Yep Old Man Prog loves him some Kensas. đ€ đ»
The reactions to Song for America were priceless. Well played, Pete! đ€ đ»đ€đŒ
Caravan - In The Land Of Grey and Pink
Jethro Tull - Stand Up
Eno - Taking Tiger Mountain By Strategy
Can - Tago Mago
Egg - The Polite Force
Magavishnu Orchestra - Birds Of Fire
Kevin Ayers - WhateverSheBringsWeSing
That's Caravan's 3rd album
@@paulbrookes413 Also Can and Kevin Ayers' third albums
High n Dry-Fly to the Rainbow-Killers-In the Wake of Poseidon-Second Helping-A New Life--The Family That Plays Together-Family Entertainment-Desperado-Abraxas-Rock & Roll Machine-Camembert Electrique. Passion and Warfare-The Band.
Interesting exercise that is. Some of my favorite bands' 2nd albums are not that great.
My top 2nd albums
Camel - Mirage
Agitation Free - 2nd
Nektar - A tab in the ocean
Dream Theater - Images and words
Pink Floyd - A saucerful of secrets
Fugazi Marillion
Trespass Genesis
ELO II
Well done Pete.. Tarkus...ahem come on you guys! All joking apart Home Self titled 2nd LP..Van der Graaf The Least a Fabulous LP, If Court hadn't been released wouldn't we rate Poseidon as one of the great 1st lps?
Refugees from that album my favourite VDGG tune. Poseidon so underrated...though I prefer Mars on live box set Epitaph over studio Devil's Triangle.
Did Ken say that Black Bonzo were British? They are Swedish. Great show.
I did not say that. I know the band is Swedish. I licensed the album to a short lived British label called Primal Vinyl for vinyl release.
@@lasercd7851 Okay! I misheard. Sorry.
Don't think I like the new software you are using. When you display the album cover, the panel screens become so small on the left hand side. The more people in the group the smaller the heads are. Hate to think when you get a full panel with 9 people! Also the audio sounds a little more muted or bassy sounding.
I think we have the audio problem figured out. As for the 'images' it is what it is. Many people like seeing the album cover larger rather than holding up a CD, and the large image is only on the screen for a brief time, and not all panelists use it. The main plus with Steamyard is the video quality is far superior to Zoom, which is important.
just for the haters...Styx II. Amazing proggy album!
No hater here
Great choice!
I'm going to cheat, technically their 4th album, but the second with this line up. Renaissance Ashes are burning. I love the first two with Keith Relf and Jim Mccarty, those were my gateway into prog in the first place. Great episode
The sound on this is a little sketchy. Sounds like the microphones are picking up any extraneous noise. Almost sounds like a television or radio frequency going in and out at times in the background. Lots of good selections by everybody. It seems like the Prog world gets better on the second album, whereas the rock albums gets worse because they used up all their good ideas on the first album and then were pushed into putting out a second album with lack of material.
I think we will have the audio issues taken care of going forward.
No orderâŠvaried genres
1. Killers - Maiden
2. Paranoid - Sabbath
3. Fly by Night- Rush
4. Stand Up - Tull
5. Look into the Future- Journey
6. II - Chicago
7. Abraxas - Santana
8. Acquiring the Taste - GG
9. Birds of Fire-Mahavishnu
10. Mirage - Camel
Mahavishnu's Birds of Fire was immense - but not prog (not sure if fusion will also be included here). I think Pete said it himself before when discussing this album: no one had ever heard anything like it before. Inner Mounting Flame was great but this was something else. There's no way to overstate its importance in the history of music. Also one of my couple of initial 'fusion gateway' albums as a 15 year old...
@@wolf1977đ
@@wolf1977 yepâŠI had difficulty just sticking to prog bands. Trespass and Time and a Word are good but honestly their 3rd records are what sucked me inâŠNursery Cryme and Yes Album.
@@wolf1977 There's never been a time where fusion hasn't been included on ItPS.
PSYCHOTIC WALTZ - Into the Everflow
Better than Images and Words. Doesnât even get one honorable mentionâŠ
uggh, Another one I snoozed on
Just thinking slightly obtusely? Not the first time..when a band changed personel and completely altered their fortune..You might argue that Fireball is a great second LP and Foxtrot the greatest..you know what I mean?
.Enjoyable show, some great choices, many of my favorites. Significant groups not mentioned that might be of interest to Prog fans and worth checking out:
FM : Canadian band that toured with Rush
ENGLAND: Garden Shed and Last of the Jubblies are lost treasures of Prog; fans of Bill Bruford need to hear the drums/drummer on these two.
ENID: Orchestral Prog, first few lps are instrumental
Anthony Phillips (ex-genesis) Geese and the Ghost and Sides (michael Giles of K.C. on drums on Sides..Nightmare and Magdellen kill!
Steve Hackett: Voyage of the Acolyte (genesis members Collins/Rutherford
Tony Banks: Curious Feeling is his solo masterpiece
Maxaphone: Italian Prog similar yet different than PFM
Pekka Pojola: Finnish bass player, melodic jazzy Prog.
Peter Banks Two sides of Peter Banks
Transatlantic; neal morse,mike portnoy, roine stolt
Happy the Man : they eventually morphed into Oblivion Sun
...hope you enjoy
Happy the Man (my #1)and Hackett were mentioned, thanks for watching
Maxophone-this takes me back.Thanks for the recommendation.
The topic is second albumsâŠyou have some debuts listed here.
Great job boys. The production value is up around 60% from the previous shows. even Ken asking for more light I appreciate his production concerns. If youâre gonna do the show, you might as well try to make it look good. unfortunately, one of the main guys on the show George has the murky weird ceiling look and a ton of glare on his album covers, including not holding them up for very long hard to see. I watched the Sabbath show with Chris Allo and he was definitely in the dark. Hop hopefully the producer will correct that. I hope Iâm not asking for too much.
IMO it was steadily downhill after Mars Volta's amazing debut. Frances The Mute was one of the most disappointing second albums since Montrose's Paper Money.
Unquestionable Presence by Atheist is one of my favorite sophomore albums of all time! Do you guys agree with me on that album? It's progressive death metal brutality and perfection!
Yah that album is totally insane