Street Photography in Color :: the AMAZING works of Fred Herzog

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  • Fred Herzog is another one of the great colorists from the 1950's. Born in Stuggart, Germany, his family was forced to flee after the World War II aerial bombings. After the untimely death of his parents, Herzog dropped out of school and started working as a crew member on various ships. In 1952, he relocated to Canada and by 1953 had settled on Vancouver. In the years that followed he became a medical photographer by trade, and, much like Saul Leiter, began to build an impressive oeuvre of color work documenting the streets of Vancouver. At the time this was not respected in the art and photography communities due to the strong feelings of black and white work being the only serious work.
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Komentáře • 134

  • @Robservatory
    @Robservatory Před 8 lety +77

    I only recently discovered that I actually held Fred Herzog's old biomedical photography job for the past 4 years. I had no idea who he was despite being born and raised in Vancouver. This revelation not only instilled a lot of hope and purpose in my own photography, but also led me to you. I just wanted to thank you for all that you do for the photography community and the field as a whole. I have discovered some new favourites and learned a great deal from your videos. Hats off to you sir!

  • @robemich1
    @robemich1 Před rokem +3

    I watched this when you first released this forever ago. You’ve taught me more about photography and photo art history than anyone else on CZcams. Going back through watching this again and my heart aches seeing some of these old
    Images. Your content has held up incredibly well in nearly 10yrs. Well done!

  • @denizdowntown6385
    @denizdowntown6385 Před 4 lety +20

    the "Studio" neon sign is still there... just photographed a few months ago :)

  • @clickmaniac1
    @clickmaniac1 Před 7 lety +23

    He has a gallery show right now in Vancouver and after purchasing his book, in comes Fred, so I start looking for a pen as I'm ripping off the plastic covering off the book and got him to sign it... totally thrilled.

  • @Danman4u2
    @Danman4u2 Před 9 lety +5

    I don't stop to be surprised at how little I know of these remarkable artists; Herzog and Leiter have made my stomach feel like a butterfly cage. When I prowl the streets they are in my mind's eye, the butterflies scuttling in a colorful frenzy of delight. . Also, I realize how much art appreciation of the classics informs the frame that you choose. What a beautiful process of self-education photography is. Thank you Ted.

  • @BTCAsia
    @BTCAsia Před 5 lety +9

    I was starting to realize about the same about Vivian Maier - they’re good photographers, but what we find amazing about their work is the time-capsule characteristic of their work appeals to us because we are drawn to nostalgia.

  • @CalMukumoto
    @CalMukumoto Před 6 měsíci

    Even ten years later, this is a wonderful tribute to Daan. I did not know of Daan except through your channel, but I can see what a wonderful photographer he was. Thank you for opening up the world of photography to us.

  • @ch3rbert
    @ch3rbert Před 10 lety +1

    Thanks for another informative episode, Ted. Your videos are the ones I look forward to most every week.

  • @murtri
    @murtri Před 3 lety +1

    Happy to come across this. I grew up in Vancouver but, of course, had never heard of him until he was "discovered" in the early 2000s. I love Saul Leiter's work and am so pleased to see and hear you put him in the same category. Herzog passed away last year. We are lucky to have had him record the Vancouver of the mid-to-late 20th Century, It is certainly long gone now.

  • @whyrural
    @whyrural Před 10 lety +3

    Ted,
    You are the intellectual master of the photographic arts on CZcams. I feel your work is for my artistic soul. In this video, you encourage us to see beyond the moment to another day of interpretation of our images. It’s like you are our religious father shepherding your flock of believers with a promise of a life beyond this one for our artistic vision. Keep the faith and promise for we cannot know in this current state what the meaning of our work will be on the other side of time.

  • @guyplay
    @guyplay Před 10 lety +1

    Ted, thank you for introducing me to Fred Herzog. I love his work. I'm going to do some additional research on him! Thanks for sharing your knowledge and passion!

  • @VictorSalus
    @VictorSalus Před 10 lety

    Thank you for sharing this. I saw an exhibit of Herzog's photography a couple of summers back. Beautiful images from an artist with a great eye for what was around him

  • @jons8599
    @jons8599 Před 7 lety

    I'm learning a ton from these videos. Super inspiring too. Thank you for making these!

  • @room111photography5
    @room111photography5 Před 6 lety +8

    Ted, a polite correction if you don't mind. The photo at 8:00 was taken at 898 Granville Street, the location of Jermaine's, with Fred standing almost directly below the huge Orpheum sign, seen further down Granville at 9:25. And as user Levin pointed out in an earlier comment, the neon Studio sign was placed back on the same building (919 Granville) during summer of 2015, and it looks exactly like the original sign. Perhaps it is the original. The correction is that Jermaine's is not now Starbucks. It is called Camouflage, a military surplus store. Starbucks is on the other corner, still on Granville, but across Smithe Street. This location looks very much as it did when Fred photographed it.
    The photo at 9:25 was taken at Granville and W. Georgia. looking SW. That area is almost completely changed. It looks almost nothing like it did back when Fred photographed it.
    Be well, and thanks for your excellent content. You're the best, good sir.

  • @SilverLightD
    @SilverLightD Před 10 lety +1

    Hi Ted thank you for placing this informative content on the internet. I found it quite valuable. Thanks

  • @RossJukesPhotography
    @RossJukesPhotography Před 7 lety +1

    Truly incredible photography, so rich and vivid, amazing work!

  • @nlanca1
    @nlanca1 Před 10 lety

    Once again many thanks Ted. I really enjoy these features on past masters.

  • @cassiorenan8291
    @cassiorenan8291 Před 10 lety

    This is such a great Video Ted, really inspiring. Thanks a lot!

  • @frankquezada5490
    @frankquezada5490 Před 4 lety

    Fantastic photography by Fred Herzog and a wonderful presentation Ted.

  • @Tennishead21
    @Tennishead21 Před 10 lety +1

    Another wonderful episode Ted. Keep these episodes on photographers coming!
    Thanks. :)

  • @MrKikoboy
    @MrKikoboy Před 10 lety

    as usual you continue to post the most intelligent videos on photography on CZcams...I had seen little of his work before but this has certainly piqued my interest...thanks for this...

  • @kathrinl.4726
    @kathrinl.4726 Před 6 lety

    I love the work of Herzog. Thanks for sharing

  • @FabFab14
    @FabFab14 Před 10 lety +1

    Herzog representing Vancouver!!!
    Love Herzog's work, such an inspiration for me, and it's such a shame that him and Leiter didn't get picked up in a serious way until later.

  • @PlasmoX
    @PlasmoX Před 10 lety

    the lighting has always been very pleasing in all your videos, now there's this slight muteness in the color that i find very pleasing. Props! great videos as always!

  • @Kleinbiology
    @Kleinbiology Před 10 lety

    Just amazing images. He certainly had a feel for composition and color. Kodachrome was amazing, I dearly miss it. Great episode, thanks Ted.

  • @Nonduality
    @Nonduality Před 3 lety

    What's great about these photos, and far more so in Hopper's paintings, is the extraordinary ordinariness. It's not easy to capture. For me, that's the magic behind these kinds of artworks: The deep ordinariness.

  • @NazirWan89
    @NazirWan89 Před 10 lety +1

    Simply amazing! Thank you for another great episode Ted! Your podcast is the best! And the image shown in the video at 07:31 by Herzog presumably was taken in Malaysia or Singapore given the name of the shop written in Malay language. I know it's trivial, but I find this really amazing, because to think an amazing photographer like Herzog has been here, where I am from and captured some part of the history that is so near to me. I've never knew Fred Herzog before this, and thanks to you, I will continue learning about him. Thanks Ted!

  • @levindixon
    @levindixon Před 6 lety

    Fantastic video, thank you! You'll be happy to hear that the giant Studio neon has since returned to Granville St

  • @tonydesarzec907
    @tonydesarzec907 Před 4 lety

    Some photographs only grow into their significance after many years. Fred Herzog's stuff is wonderful.

  • @joegeoghan
    @joegeoghan Před 10 lety

    Wow, simply amazing. Hopper is my favorite artist of all time and I'm always seeking out inspiration in the same vein. Thank you for this fantastic video as always Ted.

    • @claudiabailey5302
      @claudiabailey5302 Před 3 lety

      Yep I have to agree with you on Hopper there is just something about his work. Got to see an exhibition of his in London my friends thought I was just crazy

  • @beef7790
    @beef7790 Před 10 lety

    Had the pleasure of seeing Fred Herzog's show at MOCCA in Toronto last year. His photo "Jackpot" is my favourite.

  • @SpiderHamPeterPorker
    @SpiderHamPeterPorker Před 8 lety

    I immediately thought of Nighthawk with the photo at 5:15 - beautiful composition and colors. Thanks for showing us this photographer.

  • @mireiator2296
    @mireiator2296 Před 5 lety

    I love your channel! i am a photographer and a photography teacher and your channel help me a lot to improve my lessons! thank you very much! a follower from spain.

  • @donipotts
    @donipotts Před 4 lety +8

    RIP Fred Herzog

  • @strtbaxt
    @strtbaxt Před 10 lety +4

    Great piece and intelligent analysis of Fred!

  • @embassyoftoysoldier
    @embassyoftoysoldier Před 10 lety

    hello, i appreciate very much what you do. your approach is one of the smartest i've met on Internet, concerning photography. i still search, yet, for a more analytic discourse on the body of work of the extraordinary photographers that you introduce. thank you.

  • @afrosymphony8207
    @afrosymphony8207 Před 6 lety

    omg the aesthetic of the color tones in his pic are eyegasmic!!! what in the world! these kind of color tone is why i became a photographer but these days its almost impossible to make these sort of colour in images

  • @chiprock2692
    @chiprock2692 Před 5 lety

    Huge fan...glad to see this...

  • @SudipBhattacharyya
    @SudipBhattacharyya Před 10 lety

    Love it. Inspired. Learned. Thanks a lot :-)

  • @Chickboom34
    @Chickboom34 Před 9 lety

    Good stuff! Certainly learned something. Thank you.

  • @RedStarRogue
    @RedStarRogue Před 9 lety

    Yep I lived in Vancouver during my school days and many local media stations (like Knowledge Network) always pay tribute to him.

  • @sayaIbnuFajar
    @sayaIbnuFajar Před 2 lety

    8 plus years later I am still rewatching this video. Bought and read Saul Leiter's Early Color 3 years back. This morning just got my Fred Herzog's Modern Color arrived at my desk. Had a quick look. Personally, I took pictures mostly out on the street yet was still timid to call myself a Street Photographer. I am more agree and comfortable when you said the social documentary photographer. Even I am sure millions of miles away from calling myself a documentary photographer, at least I think that is what I try (and enjoy) doing now. Anyway love your videos, your channel, be it when you talk about new cameras, your Leica M experience and even I am down with your smartphone's camera review, trust you more on that particular rather than MKBHD (sorry @Marques Brownlee )

  • @desertmav8632
    @desertmav8632 Před 3 lety

    What’s also great about those Herzog photos is that it really captures the feel of the dreary grey rainy pacific nw

  • @waynemelnickstaff165
    @waynemelnickstaff165 Před 7 lety +12

    I believe the profile image of "the guy" sitting at the table is actually a self-portrait.

    • @PropaneWP
      @PropaneWP Před 3 lety

      It's a truly great photo. The light and shadows are amazing and I love that he has the posture like he's riding the motorcycle in the background. The subtleties of the whole composition in general is just a joy to watch.

  • @SpiderHamPeterPorker
    @SpiderHamPeterPorker Před 8 lety

    Immogen Cunningham photo-bombing, again. I immediately thought of Nighthawk with the photo at 5:15 - beautiful composition and colors. Thanks for showing us this photographer.

  • @jimksa67
    @jimksa67 Před 7 lety

    Nice job Ted! I dig Fred's work and Vancouver as some of my roots are there since the 1940's on the Eastside , Sea Island and then in the late 50's- 60's through out town. Who could forget those days! Just got a Nex 3 lotsa fun- need a 6 though for the viewfinder- happy shooting all! Dont step backwards framing now! :)

  • @nikonrulz
    @nikonrulz Před 7 lety

    Excellent!!...very interesting.

  • @MrPhotographerDude
    @MrPhotographerDude Před 7 lety

    Great stuff!

  • @Shanesshiit
    @Shanesshiit Před 7 lety

    I'm from Vancouver, these are always neat to see

  • @nischaljimee2192
    @nischaljimee2192 Před 3 lety

    Very inspiring

  • @WORDONTHESTREETphoto
    @WORDONTHESTREETphoto Před 7 lety

    great stuff

  • @tclarke971
    @tclarke971 Před 7 lety

    Wow!

  • @jimjaam1983
    @jimjaam1983 Před 7 lety +1

    i have this picture on my desktop and never knew who took it thanks

  • @Hazeemmy
    @Hazeemmy Před 10 lety +1

    Ted, I'm a Malaysian and I can tell you that the picture at 07:32 is definitely taken in Malaysia or Singapore (before Singapore separated from Malaysia in 1965). 'Kedai Gambar" written on the pillar literary translated to photo shop. :)

  • @alsokennisan
    @alsokennisan Před rokem

    Hi Ted, I really enjoy your vidoes and your work. I've gained so much knowledge and insights into the art of photography.
    By the way, Kedai Gambar in one of the photos means photo studio in the malay language. It was not a gambling den.

  • @JanVotava75
    @JanVotava75 Před 3 lety

    Hi Ted, I wonder if you planned to expand the artist series in any way? It's just great and I think it's also quite unique on CZcams.

  • @RobiePunsalan
    @RobiePunsalan Před 20 dny

    When you realize the gentleman writing the letter is a self portrait of Fred Herzog.

  • @EM-km8em
    @EM-km8em Před 2 lety +2

    Can you tell me some of the specific camera models and specific lens brand specs he used ? Also whats the closest film to Koda chrome these days ?

  • @THAILANDCANUCK
    @THAILANDCANUCK Před 2 lety

    The Studio sign is still there on Granville Street, it is a lounge and night club now.

  • @NasserAlhameli
    @NasserAlhameli Před rokem

    Thank u so much! What format was most of his work?

  • @mlaudp
    @mlaudp Před 10 lety

    It is just amazing, I was just blown away, thanks //zilmer-dam

  • @MrTetrads
    @MrTetrads Před 10 lety +1

    Did he use a twin-lens reflex camera? I ask because some of the photos you showed looked like they were taken from about waist level. Thanks, I've been enjoying your series!

  • @Keyoung44
    @Keyoung44 Před 10 lety

    Very nice stuff. Based on photography now, some of it is barely recognizable as photography. I love it.

  • @paul8914
    @paul8914 Před 5 lety

    Would love to see a piece on Fred Lyon. There's practically nothing about him on CZcams. Surprising

  • @erichstocker4173
    @erichstocker4173 Před 6 lety

    I will have to confess to me these just look like snapshots. Bresson picked key interesting moments (and I see this in one or two of the Herzog photos you showed) but generally, Herzog photos looked like he stood on the corner and just snapped a color picture. I'm not sure that even in this day where color is the thing that I really find these photos interesting to view. They just appear boring. I look at the photo and then move on. Nothing keeps me within the photo. There are many other color photographers of the period that I find more interesting. But that is only my reaction to the photos. I know that others have a different one. Thanks for showcasing these artists. Always nice to see work that one doesn't know.

  • @SabrinaConstance
    @SabrinaConstance Před rokem

    I absolutely love these old artist profiles. I don't really care about tech and gear (though I get that this type of content is quite profitable). Without the art of photography, what is the science (gear/tech)?

  • @tahutempe2557
    @tahutempe2557 Před 5 lety

    At 7:37 it is either Malaysian or Indonesian, not a restaurant but a photo studio. Tukang gambar literally translates to "picture maker", hence the wedding photos advertising their photography services

  • @markharris5771
    @markharris5771 Před 7 lety

    I'm not an urban photographer in any way, I don't do either street photography or cityscapes. But that doesn't mean I don't appreciate the work of those that do. I really like how Fred used both the light and weather almost separately although they are always intertwined.

  • @philippos4330
    @philippos4330 Před 5 lety

    Who was the other painter he kept mentioning besides Edward Hopper? I can't catch the name..

  • @ssy9724
    @ssy9724 Před 3 lety

    7:47 its a photography studio/photo printing shop base on the malay and chinese text on the pillar

  • @SimonDouville1
    @SimonDouville1 Před 10 lety +1

    Thank for speaking about a canadian photographer.

    • @theartofphotography
      @theartofphotography  Před 10 lety

      There are more ;-)

    • @SimonDouville1
      @SimonDouville1 Před 10 lety +1

      I know! It amazes me how they're unknown here and not even taught in art history class. had one on specifically canadian art and they showed me picture of inuit sculpture. Although I love Inuit sculpture it's kind of redundant at the end. As if everything canadian seems uninteresting to other canadians. Anyway, Just wanted to say thanks for sharing (Sorry for the long message)

  • @Justaperson717
    @Justaperson717 Před rokem

    "Studio" sign is still there.

  • @luisboaventura22
    @luisboaventura22 Před 3 lety

    👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

  • @WhiteEyeDevil
    @WhiteEyeDevil Před 9 lety +4

    Fred Herzog was in Malaysia? NO WAY!

  • @kevinrbarker
    @kevinrbarker Před 3 lety +1

    I don't claim to match hertzog's exposure and framing but i can get the look....with a 60 year old vintage nikkor 125mm lens...

  • @RafaelFyen
    @RafaelFyen Před 10 lety

    The portrait of "the guy working in the sunlight", isn't that Fred Herzog? I thought I read in the footnotes of my photo book that it was a self-portrait.

    • @stephenaustin9276
      @stephenaustin9276 Před 8 lety

      +Rafael Fyen Yep, its a self portrait. Strange that the guy missed that.

  • @ToyoteroMundial
    @ToyoteroMundial Před 2 lety

    Any updates in 2022?

  • @adifferentkennybaker
    @adifferentkennybaker Před 7 měsíci

    The put the Studio sign back up.

  • @kevinfetu
    @kevinfetu Před rokem

    The gentleman at 5:55 is Fred Herzog himself 😉

  • @baselb80
    @baselb80 Před 10 lety +1

    is there a way to replicate those colors in photoshop?

    • @markhenryabello2193
      @markhenryabello2193 Před 5 lety

      I'm not a Photoshop expert (I'm sure there will be better tips from great Photoshop users) but, yeah, you can replicate these colors on Photoshop. One I use is images>adjustments> hue/saturation and then tweek the saturation slider.

  • @stanleykho2
    @stanleykho2 Před 10 lety +3

    actually it is not a gambling hall. it is a photography studio. the man sitting in front is a letter writer and a calligrapher.

    • @fotologo2568
      @fotologo2568 Před 7 lety

      Yes. And those facts make the photo even more interesting!

    • @bosozoku5558
      @bosozoku5558 Před 5 lety

      Could be singapore, malaysia or indo. Interesting if he made his way out to sea. Chinese mixed with malay - tukang gambar - take photos signature of these regions.

  • @craigdick3467
    @craigdick3467 Před 3 lety +3

    "This gentleman..." at 5:54. Who could that be?

    • @nisargjoshi8522
      @nisargjoshi8522 Před 3 lety

      Isn’t that his self potrait?

    • @ywoolf
      @ywoolf Před měsícem

      It's titled 'Self-Portrait' 1959 in his book.

    • @craigdick3467
      @craigdick3467 Před měsícem

      @@ywoolf Portrait of the artist as a young man

  • @Mrzippy3
    @Mrzippy3 Před 10 lety

    The portrait of the guy writing a letter is a self portrait of a young Fred Herzog.

  • @landcruiser77
    @landcruiser77 Před 8 lety

    what camera did he used?

  • @WizzRacing
    @WizzRacing Před 10 lety

    I would assume most of these were shot on medium format being they were slides.
    I myself have always wondered why color was not considered artistic. I was taught in the late 70's that to shoot color great you had to learn to shoot black and white better, which when done makes color photos spectacular. It's just something you learn by doing it yourself from start to finish print.

    • @d.hufford2355
      @d.hufford2355 Před 10 lety

      Why would you assume that? Most of his photos were 35mm taken on 36 exposure rolls of Kodachrome. As you must know, back in the 70s we often used slide film in 35mm. Reading the photo magazines of the time, one could have been forgiven if he had not realized there was anything other than black and white and color slide film.

  • @ralphacosta3891
    @ralphacosta3891 Před 10 lety

    did he shot mostly on 35mm?

  • @DecentGatsby
    @DecentGatsby Před 8 lety +1

    Nice glasses (no sarcasm intended)

  • @wylie_photo
    @wylie_photo Před 7 lety +7

    Great images. It's such a shame that Kodachrome is gone now as the look is fantastic.

    • @DyloK96
      @DyloK96 Před 7 lety +1

      Mark W it's being reproduced this year.

    • @486DX40
      @486DX40 Před 7 lety

      Dylan Keenan You're thinking of Ektachrome. Kodachrome is dead and can't be revived as the chemicals to make and develop it are no longer produced for environmental reasons.

    • @DarkAngelEU
      @DarkAngelEU Před 6 lety

      It's never coming back as stated above, Ektachrome will return somewhere next year. I'm quite satisfied with Gold, it has really nice tones and sharpness if you know how to balance colours in post.

    • @triggrhaapi
      @triggrhaapi Před 6 lety

      I'm desperately trying to figure out how to imitate the look in modern post processing software.

    • @DarkAngelEU
      @DarkAngelEU Před 6 lety

      You probably won't be able to even get near it because digital sensors process light differently and editing software isn't so good in emulating film either. Kodachrome was one of a kind.

  • @ijursic
    @ijursic Před 6 lety +1

    Hopper and Rockwell were Herzogesque.

  • @jamesanglin4417
    @jamesanglin4417 Před 5 lety

    Hi - I think it's an Indonesian restaurant, for what that's worth, they frequently try to bring in Chinese customers as well.

  • @Dreyno
    @Dreyno Před 6 lety

    I agree with what is said here. I enjoy looking at old photos in colour because it gives a feel for how things actually were rather than the monochrome version we often imagine. But when I take street photos myself, I tend towards black and white. Maybe to make the photo less placeable in time. Or maybe because it’s “cool”. It’s hard to say but I can’t enjoy my own street photography in colour. Too much clutter with colour. Black and white is more about framing, tonality and texture and colour is a distraction.

  • @JoshuaBoldt
    @JoshuaBoldt Před 7 lety +1

    What do you call Americana in Canada?

    • @M_Teeboo
      @M_Teeboo Před 7 lety +2

      Joshua Boldt Canadana?

    • @Just_Ve
      @Just_Ve Před 7 lety

      Joshua Boldt Americana is Americana just like we call around the whole continent of America :)

    • @JoshuaBoldt
      @JoshuaBoldt Před 7 lety +1

      Ha thanks yes. I get what you are saying, but technically the term "Americana" is specifically referring to nostalgia and collectibles from the US or the study of the US. So Herzog's photos of Canada being called Americana seems strange, but I get that also. I genuinely wonder if there is a Canadian term for that nostalgic feeling like when they look at pictures of the 1950s or old toys or something.

    • @Just_Ve
      @Just_Ve Před 7 lety

      Oh, I got it now, thanks for explain, is always good to learn something new, i'm from South America and I live In Canada now but I still learning those stuff from North America culture, it make sense to me now, but to be honest, I have no Idea how they call it here in Canada tho :)

  • @robertbutts9835
    @robertbutts9835 Před 5 lety

    Color can be very powerful but I do love blk n wht. Hopper for sure. I did a lot of stuff in Toronto over the past 20 years but now based in Santiago Dominican Republic and I do a lot of street work there

  • @craigdick3467
    @craigdick3467 Před 3 lety

    Don't think it's nitpicking to find the suggestions of Eggleston's influence or precedent, for example at 7:00, to be suspect when most of Herzog's predate Eggleston's by a decade or more.

    • @craigdick3467
      @craigdick3467 Před 3 lety

      A bit snarky of me. I saw your follow-up video, and appreciate the deeper consideration of his work. Those were still the early days of his wider appreciation.

  • @jamesanglin4417
    @jamesanglin4417 Před 5 lety

    Sorry, I mean at 7' 32".

  • @yourfashionarchive427

    is it possible to shoot on kodachrome still?

  • @thechewiechannel2692
    @thechewiechannel2692 Před 4 lety

    kedai gambar = photo shop

  • @durchschnittlich
    @durchschnittlich Před 3 lety

    Our "x photography isn't real photography" is probably smartphone photography. 70 years into the future, they'll wonder why we didn't take smartphones as seriously. Imagine people going out of their way to buy iPhone 12s (like people do with film cameras)

  • @manoftheroad55
    @manoftheroad55 Před 3 měsíci

    Era gone by ..No children,,,note children and lack of children now...

  • @joycegalutera5086
    @joycegalutera5086 Před 8 lety

    maybe next time we could see your own work?