'It's looking GRIM' - Have the Kangaroos actually improved under Clarko? I AFL 360 I Fox Footy
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- After another poor start to the season, despite having Alastair Clarkson at the helm, are North Melbourne showing any signs of improvement?
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North only win games to avoid drafting generational talents
Harsh but true
Thanks North
Been a supporter since I was 5 and I'm 53 in June - What I'm seeing just breaks my heart.
It was worse in the 1960’s. I was there. We’ll be back
We have been HOODwinked. President must be removed.
The '70s started as boiled lollies to finish as consecutive years of Premiership chocolates.
The '80s were tough going and the '90s were a golden decade to savor.
It's tough again right now, but time always turns around.
Over dramatic editing 😂
Everyone was on board when Clarkson took the job, now that it's taking more than 18 months to rebuild they've turned on him (what a surprise). Trading in McKercher, Duursma, Goad, Dawson and Hardeman (literal 18 year olds) can't replace the size and experience of McKay, Thomas, Cunnington, Hall, Ziebell and Goldy. I think Clarkson is doing the same thing as he did when he started at Hawthorn with a youth policy. Get the kids playing early, have them come through together, form bonds, form trust and do pre-seasons together. The hardship will be worth it if the club and team ends up being a quarter as successful as what the Hawks were under Clarkson.
There only pups hey
My mob Carlton about 6 years ago, takes time to develop and create those bonds and very hard if you are losing all the time.
My opinion is Bolton and Teague both played some role in lifting us up in their own way but it took a persona of someone like Voss to put the finishing touches on the list to get the best out of them.
We were rebuilding nicely under Ratten but then they did a stupid thing and got Malthouse which set us back three years.
Clarkson may be a bit of the same, time will tell but he is a proven coach and has dragged a bottom team up to the top.
North supporters just have to stick fat. A bit of pain ahead.
"The hardship will be worth it if the club and team ends up being a quarter as successful as what the Hawks were under Clarkson."
He won 4 flags there. Being a quarter as successful would be 1 flag. I'll take it.
There's no Buddy, Roughhead, Hodge equivalent in this team though
Clarko had Hodge Mitchell Roughead Rioli Burgoyne Franklin Lake Bruest Gunston Birchall Sewell (I could go on) at the Hawks. Who have North got ?
So you're saying clucko had a stacked squad and maybe isn't the super coach saviour?
@@89joshuadavies you're getting warm
@@89joshuadavies100% he is overrated
You can’t blame the coach. Who has he got to work with?
North played 3/4 preliminary finalist last year in first 4 games
That’s tough
The Comp is so competitive, if you're not solid end to end you're stuck at the bottom of the ladder. North have some AMAZING talent in that team, they will need to get more talent into the team. Frankly I feel Alaistair is the wrong bloke to coach them, but the right guy to be in the club to bash the board a bit.
They need a lot more experience and some defenders. They are already loaded with talent left, right and centre.
Thhhhufferinh thhhuckertasch Robbo
Hahaha
@@Kinghutchyaflloose phphphlappy lips
Winning that game and losing Harley Reid was one of the worst list management mistakes in modern era footy.
I was angry when we won that game, but I was glad North didn't destroy its strong draft hand to trade up for the #1 pick. North needed to bring in as much high quality talent as possible to replace some of our list cloggers. I actually have a (conspiracy) theory that West Coast provided Gold Coast with an inducement to lose that game. After leading by about 5 goals they completely stopped and there was about a 11 goal turn around. Something was very off about that Gold Coast performance.
NM were proud fools to win that game. Even Gold Coast tanked to get better picks. They seemed so proud of that win ... yet couldn't have the common sense to understand the real cost if an no point win.
@@paradigmystic3123 Gold Coast couldn't shift its ladder position regardless of what the outcome of that game was. I do however believe they didn't try in that game.
But imagine not winning a game ever. Players can only sustain that emotional and psychological damage for so long. Was Harley guaranteed? WC could have out-tanked them? Maybe AFL told them no compo if you get Harley? Norf had #1 JHF and it did nothing and he left. Harley is surrounded by talent players and depth. North have a worse list than WC.
@@imalwaysright prior to the Gold Coast game all North needed to do was lose. West Coast were 4 points ahead of them, so a loss locked in 18th no matter what West Coast did. I do believe that the AFL told them that there would be no compensation if they got Pick 1 (or at the very least that they would not get Pick 3 for McKay). The last time a club had a winless Season was Fitzroy in 1964. This is looking like it will be North's first winless Season since 1934. And from there where you do you go with them? More help? They're already going to be getting Pick 1, so what more can you give them that doesn't compromise the draft further? North supporters are going to hate it, but what they need is a fresh start. Relocate them. Merge them. Whatever. They just need to start over.
This midfield right now should be sheezel, Horne Francis and Reid.
They r ruining sheezel, Horne Francis ran and they won a game for no reason to lose Reid. It's ineptitude on the biggest scale. It's worse than Fitzroy from the 90s. It's embarrassing for the league at this point. The last time they made finals was 2016. The next time might be 2030 something at this rate. It's a blight and honestly I don't know if they can be helped anymore.
They get almost nothing out of their older players. It’s all well and good to let your 25yo full back go because you want the draft pick, but there is a price to pay on the field.
McKay isn't great either and wasn't that good for North in the past. I think Comben is better than him. North have weaknesses across their entire backline, but the worst part is that the midfield provides no defensive support.
@@gustaaf1892 McKay only bad because he was rarely healthyand in a bad team. Regardless he was one of their better 25+ players and they let him go because they wanted the draft pick.
@@tb7667 They let him go because they weren't prepared match $850k per season for 6 or 7 years. At $700k I'm confident they would have done so.
How can a coach have the answers if they don't even have the tools....list still needs major development and drafting.
No one talk about it. How would Harley Reid be feeling now if he was playing for North Melbourne !
I'm Glad the Bombers got brad instead of Clarko
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I don't think the Bombers were ever truly in for Clarkson to begin with and always had their sights on Brad. Hence why they delayed the interview process for a week or two so he could finish up at the AFL.
Enjoy being a mediocre club for the next 8 years BUD
Clarko would have been a disaster for Essendon. Not that anyone knew at the time, but the last thing you guys needed was the off field baggage Clarko ended up bringing along with him to North. Bullet dodged by the Bombers.
Its Brad that caused the drama at Norf, he cleaned out all the older players. At the time in 2018 they were 9th, and the club decided to do a strategic review half way through the 2019 season. The wrong decision was to force retirement on those players without the cattle to replace them with.
The North rebuild should be a warning to any club who wants to lose all their veteran and experienced players. Everyone suggesting west coast should have traded out their experienced players but these guys are giving the young kids the support they need
Popr drafting. Too many midfielder talent. The trouble is that this years draft looks midfield heavy too on the top end. And it looks like again they will have a top pick.
How can you go past a gun over a mid prospect tall.
Need to something this year. Trade out pick one for mulitple first arounders (3) and then use that for key postion players.
Risky but adding another midfielder womt progrss them any furrher
The north midfield is getting smashed this year because it lacks size and defensive capabilities. Losing TT has been a massive blow.
Maybe don't give a bottom club a horrible draw to start the year, confidence is shot, all out of form, I'm backing Clarko in 100%
I'm a Wce supporter, this comment is 100% correct, confidence is massive for young teams, play the bottom teams against each other at the start of the season so they have a chance of getting the winning feeling.
They could give them every bottom 5 side to start the year they'd still lose 😂
They just played Hawthorn ffs, on paper that should be a 50/50 game
@@eponymous7910 After their confidence was destroyed in the first 5 games, which supports Aldy's statement.
Hang on they played
GWS (top 4 side)
Dockers (miss the 8)
Blues (club wants that game)
Lions (because of gather round, they can’t draw in a crowd)
Cats (start of the year everyone thought were cooked)
Hawks
There is no draw that helps them 🪦
I think clarkson is the right person for the job. i think it is more behind the scenes
I think there are people at north Melbourne who have a decision they didn't like made in the past and now they have a grudge and a hanging around like a bad smell
I really don't think reid would have performed as well at North Melbourne like he has at west coast west coast really only had problems on the field they didn’t have problems on and off the field and that can effect a team the most
It is not the coaches and it is not the "effort". It's a skill issue. Plain and simple. They are trash players. VFL grade at best.
Their VFL is fifth on the ladder and going ok, the aim is to lift some of those players up to AFL standard and that takes time. When they cleaned out Boomer and co they threw the baby out with the bathwater.
the lack of talent extends across the comp. there just isnt enough afl qualified players playing in the afl at the moment. the introduction of gws and the suns hurt the league. we had to find two teams who were afl ready. their first five years proved that it was a bad idea, now they want to bring in a tassie squad that will deplete the Competiton even more.
@@aussieintexas61 Money trumps all other considerations.
The grabbing of a coach from their successful tenure at another club to take your club to glory almost always fails. This century there have been 4 of 24 flags won by coaches at a second club, and three of those was the same guy, Leigh Mathews.
It almost always fails but the lure of the shiny thing has clubs constantly trying again and again.
Norths problem is they had a few years with no experience transfer to the next generation of players when they sacked all their old champions. That experience transfer never happened and the gap has nevêr been bridged.
North look like Fitzroy in their dying days.
Time to end their time in the comp, they are old news with no fans
What we need is a experienced player or 2
Financially for years North Melbourne has been a burden on the AFL. It's constantly even in better seasons only getting 35% capacity crowds at home games. Arguably they should have had the same fate as Fitzroy & South Melbourne already and folded.
Melbourne would have folded about 10 years ago when they were handed everything in compo and draft picks. Only reason they didn’t fold was because their name is “Melbourne”.
Alistair “um” Clarkson
North just somehow enjoys looking at their good ego while not even playing good footy. I've seen it all as a Roo fan myself, and it feels like a massive betrayal.
It's very hard to give effort when you're on the canvas
No, they haven’t improved under Clarko. And they won’t.
damn west coast look so much better now with there veterans and now new players (reid) def included are fireing on all cylinders. hope north can get there soon
The problem for Clarko is that he's only been through 18 months of this stuff whereas the fans have had 5 years of futility. The administration is definitely a major issue that should be addressed, but who will step forward?
Brayshaw was doing alright.
@@iankearns774 Brayshaw had some semblance of an existing football department when he took the reins and before North became a work experience vessel for interns based upon political ideologies. His first move was to also appoint a FOOTBALL CEO in Eugene Arocca!
@@user-kw1gp3dq4o People forget he was a good Sheffield shield cricketer and played a bit of footy at Sanfl level. I reckon he was doing a good job but you are right about political ideologies, it is ruining many clubs. DEI doesn't promote excellence at all.
@@iankearns774 James also had a strong high level footballing family to assist with his decision making. When his time ceased "the Scanlonites" decided that the club could be run on a political work experience based agenda provided the right "training" was provided. They then forked out a million bucks for Paul Roos who supported his mate David Noble as coach and this was rubber stamped by people who should not even be put in charge of a football club chook raffle. Of course, this turned in to the next disaster and Sonja Hood & Co (who sat on the panel that appointed Noble) didn't have a clue how to fix their mess, so the Brayshaw's, Ricky Ponting and James Henderson basically dropped Clarkson in the boards lap as a serious board takeover was brewing. Clarko is now entrenched at North, but the same absurd baggage still controls the club. Nothing will be fixed properly until there is a board takeover by competent football administrators.
NM are scared to tackle hard (spaghetti arms), & run around up & down without any physical pressure, or simply don't know how to tackle.. like 10yo kids. Simpkin can't drill a pass, is inaccurate & is a liability in the forward line, a guaranteed miss, gives away undisciplined tackles/freekicks/turnovers, every week, costs 3-4 goals each game (excluding rebound goals against). He needs dropping. An axe blow always starts from the top down. He is a poor/disappointing on-field leadership example & needs mentoring himself, before able to lead correctly. As a supporter for 60+ years, I could go on and on and some more, but it is simply far too emotionally deflating.
Simpkin I dont know what has happened to him and McDonald would be flat out getting a game elsewhere
As a long term supporter I agree and know how you feel. This is the lowest of lows.
North haven’t had stable coaching since Scott left but keep putting the Roo’s down cos that’s journalism’s stock in grade.
Gerard said he refused to watch the Eagles play 3 weeks ago. Jeez he's gone soft on North.
Everyone is terrified of Clarko
they've all jumped on the WC bandwagon after demanding Simmo be sacked lol, Gerard included.
it is always darkest before the dawn. Make North great again, lol.
Move them to Canberra
They had no hope
It's too early to fully blame Clarkson. He's coached what, 17 games after missing half of last year? The senior players like Luke Mcdonald are to blame because they have never produced and you have them setting the standard for the young players.
Why Shiels and Greenwood are not playing is beyond me. They have to make a tough call and get the captaincy off McDonald and Simpkin. They were both good players before they took on the captaincy and both have been absolutely terrible since. Give it to LDU. Sack this leadership group crap. Every player needs to focus on their role and their game ON THE FIELD.
Point to where they have improved. They are doing all the same things just with a different cast.
Hawks supporters here Why should the Cats have the softest First 6 rounds And the hawks play Cats GwS and co twice AFL is trying to keep Geelong right up there Bugger you AFL
What are you on about. Cats have played Adelaide & Brisbane away, which were probably the 2 hardest interstate trips last year. Don't forget, the Cats finished 12th last year, so they were never going to have the toughest fixture anyway. Whatever the case, it all evens out. Cats coming into a very tough run now.
Bottom 4 teams should only play every team once Go Mighty Hawks
they should only play the other Bottom 6 teams twice. North have Carlton and Geelong twice. Cats did them by 75 and the Blues did them by 56. Do we really need to see those games again? No. Their 5 double-ups should be: West Coast, Hawthorn, Gold Coast, Fremantle and Richmond. That at least gives them a fighting chance, and the flip side of that is that teams like Geelong and Carlton get a harder draw.
All those constant mid table sides, probably thinking. Can we take the pain of a bottom up rebuild? Of course, North has had some recent set backs, which hasn't helped and probably put them a further year back.
"All those constant mid table sides, probably thinking. Can we take the pain of a bottom up rebuild?" They're NUTS is they even entertain the idea. Go back to the 2014 semi final North vs Geelong and analyse what both clubs did over the next 10 years. Geelong read the arrival of free agency magnificently & North COMPLETELY misread the tea leaves.
Kingy, you can't talk about the players' weights, it's 2024.
why does anyone outside the 4 walls need to know a players weight 🥴
@@imalwaysright Becasue height and weight are crucial to how a player plays, that's why key forwards and ruckman who are drafted as 18 year olds go on a weight gain program. If a key defender is 25kg lighter than the key forward who do you think has the advantage in the marking contest?
@@imalwaysrightHow are supposed to analyse one on one match ups without them.
@@raphaelkoch1573 the clubs probably have that data but the public dont need it lol
@@imalwaysright If the fans want to analyze what matchups their club is doing then it is relevent to fans, what next? Ban stats? Banning teams lineups? Banning injury lists?
Norf should just fold.
Lower your expectations!! The league is scrapping the bottom of the barrel, where do you think the league will be when Tasmania comes into the league?? Teams in Victoria will diminish. Eni meni mini moe which Victorian team needs to go?
1964
2023
Was a good year, year I was born.
Kangas should've moved to Canberra or Tassie years ago. There's not enough room for them in Melbourne
Lmao at the dramatic music in the video package. 360 is such a ridiculous program
Laura Kane's contribution to the North Melbourne Football Club? Lecturing the senior mens team on the difference between men and womens sport. Sonja Hood is in over her head. Get these women away from the sport.
Yep neither of these women have a clue about football and neither are respected as they are both diversity hires
the mental gymnastics to make problems at a football team into an issue about women. The deep-rooted misogyny is jumping out. A woman, Peggy O'Neal, was the first woman in AFL history to be a club president, and ran Richmond during their 3-peat premiership. A woman was in charge at Melbourne during their premiership.
Hard to win when your so used to losing
Ok Grandpa back to bed
But the masterbation sessions are great.
Should've gone to the Gold Coast when the AFL offered them relocation with a truck load of cash.
Relocate to lose the club? You're kidding aren't you? Ask the old South Melbourne supporters if they think Sydney is still their club. Same for the old Fitzroy supporters and Brisbane.
n0Rf
Cant the AFL and media realise there are too many teams ! AFL and the media wake up, You are killing the game !
What's with the North bashing? How is it surprising that they suck? They need time with a young and terrible list.
Didn,t tank for Reid,,unbelievably stupid decision,,what for to win 1 game that meant nothing for the future
If they tanked it would still be the same narrative , and they'd be labelled tankers but the blind idiotic majority of society
Something has got to give? I'll tell you what has to give - the club I have loved needs to close down. Enough humiliation - it's over, close the club down and redistribute the players to Tasmania and the other clubs. We are an embarrassment.
And the skunks 🦨 chased their only key defender Ben McKay out out of the club and replaced him with a SANFL defender in Toby Pink!! Brilliant stuff!!!
Slobbo making excuses for Clarkson is laughable and they were better under Brett Ratten!!🤣🤣🤣
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