What People Really Want - Prof. Jordan Peterson
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- Psychology professor Jordan B. Peterson explains people's fundamental motivation. And why zebras have stripes!
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i wont stop jordan peterson from telling me the same story twice
Or thrice
Or fourice?
I don't wanna be happy, I wanna avoid suffering
Jordan Peterson
And what happens if you take away the worry about suffering? what happens when you take away the dog-eat-dog capitalist system and allow everyone to have a decent worry free existence? what are they gonna do in the long run, once the trauma and the stress imposed by the capitalist system evaporate after a few generations? Did you think about it? Did Peterson think about it?
@@catvideis we are going to want more I presume
I assume the best we could do is mitigate suffering if it cannot remove it outright.
@@catvideis Life without challenges is a prison of your own making. Do you really want a life where someone hands you everything? Look at what happens to spoiled rich kids. Or people who win the lottery.
Decent is relative. Regardless of what level of "decent" you feel is enough, someone has to do what it takes to create it. Ideally, that someone would be everyone capable of contributing.
Sadly, we are fast approaching a time when few want to be capable. And health issues may mean few are actually capable anymore.
@@Growmap yes, I completely agree. And people should worry more when they depend on something or someone else to give them their decent worry free existence. Whatever is given can also be taken away. The only ones we can truly depend on is ourselves.
I'm beginning to believe Jordan Peterson is a genius, at least in his fields of teaching and I assume also in psychology. And I don't use the word "genius" lightly at all.
He gathers the knowledge of the countless that came before him, but he has the ability to put everything together and donate it to others in the simple possible way. Impressive.
he has an IQ of 150 apparently, so yeh hes up there with genius level
i think he has sincere want to make mankind better i can imagine he has seen allot of pointless suffering.
I find him dumb
Indeed he’s one of few people I’ve ever seen that can actually be completely objective when trying to solve any problem on his mind. Wether presented to him or he got there himself. A true philosopher of our time
I went to a personal security class when I finally had "done well" in business. One of the first things they taught was not to draw attention to yourself. DO NOT drive a flashy car, wear an expensive watch or bracelet, etc. Keep a low profile, do not stay in the penthouse suite at the Ritz; do not stay at the Ritz at all. No group is going to seize the guests at Courtyard for ransom. Stay in the middle of the bell curve.
Don’t take me wrong - enjoy what you have earned but don’t be stupid. NEVER ride alone in an elevator with someone. It is almost not worth it.
Keeping a low profile is the best way to live in terms of career and relationships because you can do so much work without getting distracted by anybody else and get ahead in life. I like to wear fine clothes and keep myself fit, but when I go out in society, my main focus is always to not attract unnecessary attention to myself because it will just ruin my focus. If you want to go to the top, embrace tunnel vision.
But that will often lower your value. Walking with your head low may help avoid trouble, but I'd rather stand straight with my head held high. It's more dangerous, that's why it communicates strength.
Jeff bezos disagrees
@@mrknarf4438 The danger then becomes when someone challenges you. Then you either show them the strength or you fall apart and become a phony.
In stances of tension or social game playing complexity, people whom lack confidence or mastery, or whom have not recovered from trauma, want to be invisible and left alone. Those whom have individuated through healing, sacrifice, and self-mastery know that they are the predator to contend with and the ethics of their character then guides what they do with that power: “When you find yourself in a room surrounded by your enemies you should tell yourself 'I am not locked in here with you, you are locked in here with me." - Bruce Lee
Agree
That's DEEP
Those are very nice sayings... but thats all they are just sayings. Its not going to change anything in the next 5mins
I think the quote was by Rorschach from the movie "Watchmen."
But I'll give you a like to your comment :) .
It’s mostly a lie, the stronger you are the more this is true but “predators” in this context can mean groups of individuals, it can mean systemic abuse, it can mean heavily armed people and it can mean jealous people in your community that mistreat your son at school.
So even if you’re some super soldier decked out with all sorts of weapons , there are still things that can hurt you or your loved ones.
Those nature guys accidentally taught a lion to attack a red dot
That made me think of house cats attacking laser dots.
I want to start a band called Healthy Delicious Zebras.
@Anas Erraihani Sweet! What do you play?
You may do a collab with Plump Delicious Sheep
This is so true (no pun intended), especially the last part about being invisible and left alone. That's all I ever want these days, but if I look back at my past, I was once an addicted bodybuilder who craved attention nonstop. These days I stay completely off social media, I have no need for external acceptance, and I value my personal power and happiness above everything else.
Sadly, in this life, you are forced to do something, and you just can't sit on your ass. You have to go out there in the real world and fight for something and make a decent living. But at least you can always pick the field and path that you want. You just have to be willing to put up the work and not give up. Find your niche that will make money and focus on ownership. That's my best advice.
I appreciate this man.
The psychology here threw me for a loop. I thought I'd absorbed all of JP's stuff. But nope! More to be found. This was a bit mind blowing.
But is Jordan saying don't stand out ever?
I doubt he was referring to the kind of invisibility you're talking about here, social media narcissism vs. lone wolf. I think he's trying to say that most people don't want to be outstanding, put them out there, perhaps even for a good cause, since they prefer to stay comfortable hidden in the herd, doing mediocre things the herd does. This is not pursuit of happiness or excellence, rather living a basic life, avoiding any hurt or burden. If we can see the full lecture, maybe we understand the true context of this talk.
You live in an environment where mastering physical fitness and boasting about it on social media IS the camouflage. It makes one appear as part of the heard of the rich industrial western upper class. And not fitting in it singles you out to either be ridiculed, exploited and replaced. Being aesthetic in lower classes singles you out as lazy and indulgent, but it's the opposite among the aristocrats.
I have learned to be happy, being content.
Me too. Its hard at first as you get sucked into the world of materialism.
That's one way to live. I personally always wants to strive to be better, do better, and reach my full potential. I don't like settling down for too long, I like to keep moving forward no matter what and take on new challenges that will enhance my power and make me stronger. I also enjoy taking high risks no matter the consequences.
Who said I do not strive to do better? The first question is What is better? A bigger house? Another plane? If material things are still your yardstick for measuring you are doing better you need to rethink your life. “Enhance your power.” LOL. Material possessions and “power” are how new money thinks. Travel and explore the world. Poor is flashy (professional sports players - broke two years out), rich is loud, wealthy is quiet. Confidence speaks for itself - arrogance requires marketing. There is one old money family for every one million new money families. Be careful about if you are being educated or programmed/brainwashed. Most people are educated enough to understand what they were taught but not why they were taught certain things or to even consider other perspectives.
I've watched 2 of your videos, now I'm buying your book, and the rest of my day will be spent reading it. You're a very good communicator.
Is that why I don’t care to be someone famous or known?
Sasykin S you're fine
lefu I think the ones who want to be recognised or be famous
are the ones who didn’t get attention when they were young.
Sasykin S the question is: what do you want to be known for? From what society has become today it is far more easier to be famous thanks to a sex tape getting in the wrong person’s hands than it is to win a nobel prize. And we have social media to thank for that. People are now recognized based on images, not values, and it’s a risky game to play with something that misleading.
Viola Isabel Arena do you watch Michael Black?
If not go to his channel!
Rather rich and anonymous than poor and famous.
Some good friends of mine have had a saying for many years: Pain is a good motivator.
We, humans, often tend to stay in whatever we have and are, and in some or most cases, idk, pain forces us in a way to move from where we are to where we want to be. If that makes sense to you. I'm speaking from personal experience.
This lesson is deep and seems easy to retell. Much thanks!!!
I've observed that there are different types of people, just like there's differences between the mindset of predator and prey species. And it follows the same population ratio. Most people are average and want to be average. Bland comfort and stability is what they want. It's hard for someone like me, who is a highly-individualistic variety junkie, to empathize with other people sometimes. All my friends are like me, and we're all mentally ill, which I don't think is a coincidence. Culture is set up for the majority. Being a nonconformist means freedom, but it also means feeling alone and alien.
AlexReynard mutation is a driving force of evolution. You -and i and millions of others- are the outside fish, either to be eaten by natural selection or to branch out the species.
AlexReynard the correlation that men have a thinner corpus callosum between brain hemispheres, maybe makes men more extreme than women. Of course, the exact causality is not known.
And the reasons that JJs (jealous judgemental) people thrive on us...
@@AlexReynard the results are all that .matters
I agree with you! Most enculturated people do not do well with
change, especially if it's a large change. Drastic change can set
off a breakdown - especially for some people who have experienced
over-protective parents. You grow up sheltered, then being sheltered
as an adult can be seductive. It feels safe. It feels like love, security.
You don't miss the lack of excitement because you don't know what
it is since you've never had it. People who have never tasted chocolate
don't crave it.
I dont want to be in pain, this dude hits everything on the mark.
Totally agree.
I want to be neither a famous&succeed nor ignorant&failed.
I just want to be average person, who never exposed on danger of politics, of the mass media, or the danger of the violence.
lefu i am really appreciate your correction!!
As u know i am really bad at english grammar, but i wanna try(or want to try? idk...) a little bit more as i could.
임홍준 it gets easier with time :))
I can relate, but I'm afraid the way things are going now, we may be
exposed to events and people who threaten our sense of security.
Who or what are these events and people? Discover the political wars
happening here and abroad.
That's the greatest analogy I've ever heard
"It's great if your the king of a kingdom, but its hazardous if there's also others that exist"
The one thing I learned from this video is to invest in a bunch of striped-shirts.
On a more serious note, this "zebra story" explains perfectly my strategy of getting through school.
Low-profile, keep your head down, don't ask too many questions, don't excel cause it will just raise teachers expectations of you, do okay and you'll be fine.
Thank you so very much for this explanation- til this moment, i had imagined i was the odd one out, preferring and wishing to be invisible. You have dialled down my anxiety, a little - and i hope i can truly be conscious of this, always, instead of assuming that others assume I'm being unfriendly. Xx❤️
Thank you it made me relieve some stress
one of his best
One of the best...
Very interesting.
Very interesting analogy and fable. I despise being noticed, yet i stand out amongst the herd. I love peace personal and global above all things. I learnt quickly that materialism means just buying the same thing over and over again ie new car, clothes etc
That can be a tough one.
Myself I really liked my work. Enjoyed being a team player. One of my personal opinions was to not attract attention to myself but I had a high profile job and was good at it. And looking back at it now I did attract predators. Wonder what I could have done with this knowledge if I had known it then. I imagine I would have recognized the predators sooner. Save me a lot of problems no doubt?
What exactly that behavior would be I dont understand other than suffering a personality disorder????
Awesome!
Incredible....
This is jus resonating and is too true it hurts. We all jus wanna survive and not lose..
What was the zebra story?I didn't catch it
Hahaha, i see what you did there...
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There's a cow here or somewhere...
@@Menaceblue3 I see the cow right there is like 6 lines up
invisible and left alone.
very well put dr peterson
So true.
Thank God nobody stopped him
So true
So deep
Thank you. Now I don't need to worry whether my parents want something more in their life and they can't achieve that because of me and my siblings, instead they want to be invisible.
Very powerful points and maybe gives reasons why the current unrest is being largely unobstructed. According to the prof, most of us want to be left alone and avoid pain rather than push to succeed so the pushers are likely to receive resistance from other pushers rather than the vast majority of societies... I wonder when the minority push becomes painful enough for the majority to be motivated to push back?
Decent prof 💚🧡💚🧡💚🧡
It is absolutely true! That is life saving advice. Thank you professor Peterson.
Very informative. Thank you, Sir.
MATE,you are god dam right!
I needed to know this wow.... I always wondered why I wasn’t constantly seeking happiness... and just the middle as he put it...... my utmost fear is being a failure, being bait, being picked out from the herd. But I want to try loads of things where lots of different cloths, but I just can’t seem to do it no matter how much I psyc myself up.... and I think it’s because I’ve been bait, I’ve been away from the herd.... I was the stupid fish on the outside wondering why I can’t find stability whilst constantly swimming in circles around the middle. Wow.....
Life is a little clearer now
I stand out very much because I have the appearance of looking very hostile in my workplace. I'm very kind and supporting at work, but I secretly take pride in appearing hostile because it keeps enemies away. As a result, I am happy and content.
I believe it comes from knowing and not knowing true history with human civilizations where people came together and built for a common purpose and not everyman for themselves
Brutal
Okay. This is one of the few JP videos I finished watching and had no clue what he was tying to convey.
He was saying that people like blending in with a larger group, as a physical and emotional defense mechanism against getting singled out.
6:00 The bottom line. Safety is in the herd. Remember high school? Peer groups? Fads? Training for life.
@@lynncomstock1255 Right. Think of group classes where the teacher asks a question but no one raises their hand because they think it would be embarrassing to volunteer an answer and be wrong. No one wants to go first and risk looking foolish. They'd rather blend in with the larger group.
All of that is rooted in the go, though.
EDIT: Or at least rooted in prior experiences where they learned that being wrong is means you're an idiot and revealing a lack of knowledge or incorrect knowledge is to be avoided. Reality is that no one has all of the answers, though.
@@powers6253 Another great example of safety in the herd.
Confirming that I want to be invisible and left alone and just not fail. Exactly that
This is a perfect metaphor for human racism and why it is more apparent in modern times. In earlier times it was based on family ties, religious beliefs , wealth, status, and now race.
I like happy Jordan Peterson haha
...and finally, a well defined explanation why I want to be anonymous
"people are not after happiness, they are after NOT hurting"
HOLY FUCKING SHIT THAT HIT HOME RUN
I completely agree, if i didn’t have to work hard and try and be successful i wouldn’t but there is this social pressure to have everything done by a certain age or else i get labelled a failure or loser. Even if you do nothing your a bum. I just want to have my whole life complete so i can stop trying so hard to impress everyone or else my self worth will be torn apart by them.
Could Jordan Peterson's analogy about Zebras be linked to Tattoos? and the stigma that surrounds them?
I read someplace that people who have tattoos are broken.
@@nancyayers6355 lol
Can you explain the main driving force for those of us who do the opposite: stand out. I am fully tattooed and have red hair. Besides liking those things, do i partake in them because i dont care about being a target? Is that the logic?
Extreme inferiority complex with a desire to scream. "I AM HERE LOOK AT ME. PLEASE SEE ME ".
A bit like in Britain, at school the different parents and teachers will advise you to "keep your head down".
I think so anyway.
This Professor must talk to a lot of elderly women because his voice elevates and crackles when he wants to emphasize the conversation.
Yeah....Idk about that. Think about it, most people want to be at the top of their dominance hierarchy. So they aren’t invisible and if everyone wants them, they aren’t left alone.
I wouldn't want to let others surround me that doesn't feel right.
I have came to the same conclusion as him before viewing this video from watching my parents, grandparents, stepparents... etc. Generation X is a generation that epitomizes this idea, however redundant generational classification is nowadays. The motive is not bettering themselves ever, it is simply avoiding guilt. Avoiding any scrutiny from their own superiors by being complacent, while turning around and preaching individuality and hedonism to their children. Every time family came over for the holidays, or my friends came with me home from school, my mother would frantically clean the whole house in order to avoid judgement. When we moved, we noticed our new neighbors had a particularly lively home presence. Their kids always returning from sports with friends, having dinner together at a big table, having glamorous long term girlfriends and boyfriends who involved themselves with the family. Watching this through the window eventually ate away at my mother, she became insecure over the fact that I often didn't bring friends home. She would make crass remarks such as "you're embarrassed of our house, huh? it's too dirty isnt it!" I realize now that divorce is the true killer of families. It's truly sad how childish many generation x kids grew up to act.
Ok boomer
@@groyper1988 hahahahaha
I'm different but have been hiding from trauma and act normal. This makes sense.
i really want to learn the motive of life but still confuse that why people always talking to much but they nothing to prove that is not others matter that is want people really want ?/
I hear him many times with some gaps.
But, I don't get it, why are people so obsessed with getting attention?
"People would rather be infamous than insignificant." -Dr. Peterson
In what context does this apply?
right in one context we want one, in another context we want the other.
The art of racing in the rain, anyone?
FUCKING BANGER
john cena we need to find Jordan's long lost twin who says Fuck in every sentence but is just as pithy
I thought it was just me as I just want to be invisible and left alone!! 🥰
I don't agree about being normal and camouflaging urself with people. I mean Jordan Peterson himself is a successful famous and out of herd person. Why is he telling us to avoid what he has achieved.
P.S I truly admire this dr so much and indeed i am very grateful for his ideas, talks and voice in general
This still does not describe why the zebra pattern is any better at creating a blob among the herd to discourage attack from predators than any other pattern or colouring.
He also extrapolates this postulated effect to humans in all our complexity of psychology and sociology, which is dubious at best.
Finally, he deduces that this effect manifests itself in a very specific way in motivating people to be invisible in order to reduce anxiety. It’s a real stretch of an argument, built on very loose links and shoddy logic.
As an allegory or metaphor it’s interesting; but I hope people don’t mistake this for science.
Please tell me the Zebra Story!......please.
If someone understands it, please explain me
Lion is gonna be real sorry when the zebra "on the outside" of the herd is John Wick tho 0_0
6:00 The bottom line. Safety is in the herd. Remember high school? Peer groups? Fads? Training for life.
There's some truth to the invisibility and want to be left alone but I think it's does not count for everyone. Some people love to be seen, and being famous, and succeeding. Maybe these people are the lions instead of the zebra's.
all people require attention. some require it more than others. but I don't think anyone would feel happy if they kept getting calls every few minutes. text message every few seconds. I think maybe the want of being famous and love to be seen is associated with the feeling of that they can get attention whenever they want. whenever they crave for it. Maybe it's because we think we as a whole are very small. like we don't matter in the grand scheme of things, and getting assured of your existence my hoards of people is really uplifting to them.
so maybe these people life to be famous but also be invisible.
All this time I’ve wanted a zebra
FINALLY SOMEONE
They want to be invisible, left alone and dont want to fail and hurt.
Dint understood the invisible and left alone part, anyone want to shed some light on this
Pain is good because it lets you know you're alive.
Really enjoyed most of this lecture, however do not agree with wanting to be invisible and left alone. I do not think staying in the middle of the heard is the best idea, in the majority of the world we live - I prefer to be as far away as possible from ‘the heard’ (for me defined as the downtown of a city).
From a person centred perspective, with sub personalities, I then would believe it best to stay in the middle of your heard. To not let the lions of distraction, unhealthy addictions, shadow parts in need of process and integration, emotional signatures in need of release and repair get you. To not ignore those parts, but to stay in the middle. To be timely, thoughtful, thorough, emotionally intelligent, compassionate, ambiguously person centred regarding your own genuine personal boundaries.
It sounds like this lecture was on human motivation perhaps around selling things to individuals. I’m not sure, curious to watch the entire teaching if it exists to have more context.
People want to be invisible AND to have power.
He never said those were mutually exclusive. Often they arent. Why would they be? People want to do whatever they want with no repercussions or responsibility or spotlight
The predators aim for both extremes. They look for the very rich or the very poor, the very attractive or the dispassionately ugly, the despondent and the naive. "You might be succesful, but you might also be dead." my dad used to tell me that while the squeaky wheel gets the grease, it also gets replaced.
Well said
If people want to be invisible and to be left alone how can you explain the major need to be famous and unpick?
You can't just live like that for the rest of your life. Maybe it would work for a kid or a young boy who doesn't want to get in troubles. But ultimaly you will be facing problems to face in your life sooner or later and that thing is just not gonna save you.
That's explain why scare tactic is so damn successful in business
😘
the grey man
So… we want to be invisible and left alone. Peterson has also talked about the importance of family. Are those two things compatible?
Which means that people should forgo opportunities and choices that would make them visible. I think what he is trying to say is that this is wrong approach
I didn't even need to watch the video. I can tell by the thumbnail that everyone wants a zebra. 😼
Kira Yoshikage's life fits so well...
Patrice O’Neal credits?
What if you’re already invisible and don’t wanna be left alone
I'm not rich, I'm not poor, I'm very comfortable and that is all I want.
I think that is a very normal place to be and to aim for. If someone tried to give you 10 million dollars you would take it though? You would like to be richer, but that usually involves you risking what you have to get more. If you are happy with your position in life then it would be completely normal to not want to take risks for things that would probably only make you marginally happier.
@@alanrogers989 if someone gave me 10 million dollars I would certainly take it :)
People want something others have and they lack 😊
They are able to kill for it isn't it !?
Reality hurts.
THE COD ARENT COMING BACK.
YOU WIPE OUT THE SCHOOl, YOU DONT JUST GET TO THROW A COD IN THE WATER AND SAY 'WELL, OFF YOU GO'.
YOU LOOK AT A ZEBRA AND YOU MAKE SOME NOTES AND YOU THINK 'AH CHRIST WHICH ZEBRA WAS I LOOKING AT?'
"yea yea... I dont wanna succeed that bad"
Interesting how Peterson is doing the exact opposite
Yup. He has been putting his head on the block (or a red mark on his bum!) for several years now, at great expense to himself, to fight a disturbing, nascent tyranny. HI don't agree with everything he says but I am very, very grateful to him and he has inspired me to be more courageous in actively resisting anti intellectualism and intimidation in society.
i dont get it.
.
Everyone wants to know about the zebra 🦓
“What people really want”
Z E B R A
I actually disagree with this, I don’t think all people want to be invisible or even necessarily left alone. But then again I’m not a professor or even a college graduate for that matter. I hust know some people enjoy the spotlight, some people want to be like “hey look at me” now granted most people aren’t like that but I dont think that its fundamental human behaviour, but again what the hell do I know