THE SIGHT & THE SOUND 3/19 : Reeve Aleutian L-188 N1968R inflight documentary to Dutch Harbour
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- In July 1997 I was invited to spend a week in Alaska doing some extensive flying on the route network of legendary Reeve Aleutian Airways and to sample the ultimate Electra experience, a chance never to be missed. The following days will be filled with pure flying heaven from early morning hours until after midnight, getting to know what flying life is alike alongside the Aleutian islands of Alaska and Unalaska, onboard vintage and piston engine aircraft.
This is a video diary of the following days in the air.
Day #1 : Friday, July 11, 1997
Flight : RV 189
Aircraft : Lockheed L-188C Electra
Registration : N1968R
Former registrations :
VH-ECC (Qantas Empire Airways)
ZK-CLX (Air New Zealand)
Later registration :
C-GHZI (Air Spray 1967 Ltd)
Built : 1959
From : Anchorage (ANC)
To : Dutch Harbour, Unalaska (DUT)
Take off : 15.49 h (2349 UTC)
Touch down : 18.07 h (0207 UTC)
Flying time : 2 hour 18 minutes
Flying distance : 1.332 km
Altitude : 20.000 ft / 6.100 m
Speed : 618 km/h
Flight Captain : Minton, John
First Officer : Martin, Tim
Flight Engineer : Satterfield, Gary
Cabin Crew : Kammermeyer, Debra
Cabin Crew : Frankel, Kim
2/2023: Excellent. I've flown on them with American Airlines when I was a kid. My father worked for them. We'd fly out of Washington National Airport (Reagan now) to up state New York to visit family. I have always loved these airplanes. Thank You very much.
Update: She's still flying as of September 14, 2021.
this is one fuc...* underrated chanel. Come on, 161 likes only? What's wrong with people?
Many thanks 🙏
The Allison turboprop engines start up much faster than the Pratt & Whitney engines of the Dash 8 100, which I've flown on many times. When the Alison engines start up, the props start rotating as quickly as that of an electric fan. It''s my understanding that the Allison engine props were hard geared, and that the Pratt & Whitney engines were "Free Turbine". Also, the Dash 8's engines after first being started, and before shut down, were run at "sub idle' for about a minute where the props rotated at an estimated 200-300 RPM. You could hear the prop blades passing in front of the air intakes, making a so called "Chuffing" sound. When they were spooled up to full idle, the props started making the "Box Fan" sound as the prop blades became virtually invisible. I estimate that in full idle, the Dash 8 props rotated at an estimated 500 to 700 RPM. During the takeoff roll is when I estimate that the props are rotated at their maximum RPM, roughly 1,400 RPM. During the cruise portion of the flight, I esimate that the props are rotated at roughly 1,000 RPM. It's also my understanding that the Dash 8 props are 17 feet in diameter, and that the Electra 606 props were 18 feet in diameter.
Wish aircraft still sounded like this today such a wonderful sound 🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤
This aircraft C-GHZI is still active in 2020, at 61 years old. In August 2020 it flew to California to drop fire retardant ahead of wildfires. It returned to its home base in Alberta, Canada on August 28, 2020.
As noted in the text accompanying the video but unfortunately incomplete because of the limited size of the CZcams video: while operating as N1968R with Reeve Aleutian Flight 8/08JUN1983 (Cold Bay to Seattle), it lost its Number 4 propeller which slashed the lower fuselage, jamming flight controls and throttles. The crew managed to get it stable using the autopilot and eventually gained enough manual control to land in Anchorage, Alaska with no injuries to passengers or crew. Reeve acquired a replacement Electra for its fleet but instead chose to repair N1968R because of its unusually low hours, using the intended replacement for the parts required.
Turboprop music! I keep coming back to this video fro that great turboprop sound! I love this video of a classic turboprop airliner. It also brings back memories of when I lived in Ithaca NY from 1991 thru 2002. When I flew back to Charlotte NC for special things like Christmas, I flew out of Ithaca Reginal Airport on the so called "puddle jumper" reagenal turboprops, like the Dash-8 100. The Dash 8 flew me to US Airways Hub, New York LaGuardia, Philly, or Pitsburgh, for a connecting flight to Charlotte. The Electra sounds very much like the Dash-8 100. In ground idle and taxiing, the props make a "chafe cutter" sound like that of a box fan. In takeoff and inflight, the props make that low pitched drone like the wings of a Mexican Hornet or "Cicada killer" that often vibrates the cabin. I love the sounds that the props make, I love watching the props spin, and i also love seeing and hearing them start up.
Also, on May 6th, 1963, my mom flew with me as a "lap child', a two month old infant on the Electra from Charlotte NC to our nation's capitol. We flew into what's now known as Raigen International Airport. It was Eastern Airlines flight 648 from Charlotte to Washington DC. I still have the ticket that we flew on in my baby book. Therefore, the Electra was the first aircraft I ever flew on.
Many say that driving a vehicle with a manual transmission is "real driving." I say that flying in a propeller driven airliner is "Real Flying"!! I am very fond of the sound that the props make. In full idle speed and in taxiing, the props make your basic box fan sound. In takeoff and in flight, the props buzz like the wings of a flying insect, creating the bass hum and vibration that you get inside the cabin. I personally like it. When the props are revved up to approximately 1,500 RPM, it's like a huge surge of power.
How funny, and I'm not alone. I always compared the sound of an idling propjet to a box fan, especially one of those industrial-sized fans.
I love the sound of the props' pitch changing just as the takeoff begins.
I have flown on jets, of course, and they have their clear advantages, but I'm an admitted dinosaur, and I love flying on a prop-driven aircraft. I've never had the privilege of flying on a turboprop Electra, but I have traveled on DC-3's, DC-6's, and Lockheed Super Constellations. For me, flying isn't really flying, unless I look out the window and see the blur of propellers.
Great video!! As of May 2018, this L 188 is one of 14 still in service. All in Canada. It's registered as C-GHZI with Air Spray.
Wonderful and important footage, thanks for sharing. This is the first time I've seen this particular approach captured on film, bravo!
Thank you William!
According to FlightAware, this plane is still flying as of August 2020, still as C-GHZI with Air Spray 484.
TURBOPROP MUSIC!!!!!! I keep coming back to this video for that great turboprop sound! The sound of those props is music to my ears! The LockHeed Electra was a great turboprop airliner!!! Today, I wish that most airliners used for domestic flights, Boeing 737's and Airbus A-320's were turboprop instead of fan jet. I think that fan jet aircraft should be used primarily for cross country and overseas fights. Though a bit slower, turboprops are more fuel efficient than fan jets. I personally find them more fun to fly in. Some say that driving a vehicle with a manual transmission is REAL DRIVING! I say that flying in a propeller driven airliner is REAL FLYING!!!!
I keep coming back to this video for that GREAT TURBOPROP SOUND! The Rolling Stones once had an Electra for their first touring craft. They called it "Lenea Ala"! When I was an infant, in May of 1963, my mom and my grandmother flew with me as a lap child from Charlotte to Washington DC, on Eastern Airlines Flight 648. The aircraft was a LockHeed Electra. That's one reason I'm such a big fan of turboprop airliners.
The Electra's cabin appears to closely resemble that of a DC-9 airliner, in terms of it's seat configuration. In the coach section, it has two rows of seats on the port side, and three rows of seats on the starboard side. An Electra that has a first class section forward of the air stair door I guess would have a two and two seat configuration.
When I lived in Ithaca NY for twelve years, 1991 to 2002, I flew back and fourth between my native Charlotte NC and Ithaca. Into and out of Ithaca, I flew to NY LaGuardia, Philly, or Pittsburgh to change planes. Into and out of Ithaca, I flew on various regional twin engine turboprop airliners, known as "Puddle Jumpers". These aircraft included the Beechcraft 1900, Jetstream 31, Shorts 360, and my favorite of all of those, the DeHaviland Dash-8. The Dash 8 was the one whose cabin and sound was most like that of the Electra. I love watching and hearing the engines fire up, especially when it reaches full idle speed, and the "Box Fan" sound of the props is added to the whine of the jet engines. I really love the sound that the props make.
For years, with my creative imagination, I've fantasized about a rock band called Soccer Sweat Jam, who's carrier stretched from 1967-2010. At the start of their big time career in 1972, I fantasize that their producer and manager helped them get their wings, and purchase their first touring craft, which was a used LockHeed L-188 Electra from Eastern Airlines. This aircraft was their touring craft until after their 1987 tour. In 1988, In fantasize that they purchased yet another turboprop aircraft, a fictitious Boeing 837-200. The Boeing 837 is a dream airliner of mine, which is a Boeing 737 fitted with four turboprop engines instead of the two big fan jet engines. I wish that most airliners used for domestic flights, were turboprop instead of fan jet. I think that fan jet aircraft should be used solely for cross country and overseas flights.
It was a loud plane flying from Dutch harbor to Anchorage good experience I was in my younger years miss the plane
Nice job capturing many of the sights and sounds of a Lockheed L-188 Electra. Flew round trip on a SAHSA Electra way back in 1976 from New Orleans to Managua, Nicaragua. Thanks for sharing!
+Daniel Frohriep-Ichihara fat yank pilot on right
This is flying heaven! Thank you for yet another perfect-sounding video. It really means a lot. I look forward to hearing the B727s, too. I'll get there eventually.
Incredible sink rate on that dive towards the runway. My stomach would have been in my throat. My two Electra flights (this aircraft and NWT Air's C-FIJV) are some of my best memories of flying. Phenomenal aircraft!
Muito bom....vídeo maravilhoso, muito rico em detalhes!!!
Excellent movie of a historic aircraft. I wonder if it'll fly again. A large fraction of all L-188s built have ended up in the Northwest, with several still flying, while very few of its contemporary types still fly.
Buffalo Air and Airspray still fly them..
I love the sounds of Allisons turboprops engines.
I believe that the Allison engines of the Electra are double shaft with hard geared prop shafts. The Pratt & Whitney engines of the DeHaviland Dash 8, which has been a popular turboprop airliner the past three decades, to my understanding are "Free Turbine".
The Vickers Viscount was the worlds very first turboprop airliner, and entered airline service in the early 1950's. It was also the aircraft used in the 1979 movie, "The Rose", with Bette Midler. It was the "Rose" touring craft. It had Rolls Royce Dart engines, which were single shaft. In the You Tube videos I've watches of the Viscount, the Rolls Royce Dart engines, which have a distinctive sound to them, seemed to produce a much louder and ear splitting jet whine, that virtually drowned out the sound of the props. In those videos, and in the takeoff and approach scenes in "The Rose" the sound of the props is virtually inaudible. On the Electra, the IL-18, and the Dash-8, the sound of the props is mostly what you hear inside the cabin. The props make your basic "Box Fan" sound in full idle speed and taxiing, and in takeoff and inflight, buzz like the wings of a bumblebee, creating the inflight bass hum and vibration that you get inside the cabin, or when the aircraft flies overhead.
Kicsoda szaladgál Alaszkában rövid nadrágban? Egy helyi lakos? 51:02
It's a wonder that this aircraft survived the 1983 incident in which the outer starboard prop came off, taking the gearbox with it. I also watched "Rogue propeller", a video that portrays that incident. This aircraft made a "Miracle Landing" after a six hour ordeal. It's also a wonder that after the investigation was completed, the aircraft was repaired and able to fly again. Whenever there is an unusual vibration noted, they should immediately divert to the nearest airport, and land ASAP.
This aircraft closely resembles a DC-9 fitted with turboprops instead of the fan jet engines.
Back in the hey day of the Electra, there was much more legroom between the seats. This would be pleasing to Harrise's longtime friend, Andria Parks, who absolutely cannot sit without crossing her legs thigh to thigh. If she tries to sit without crossing her legs, she gets very restless.
This video brinks back memories --- of a much better time in commercial aviation. Nowadays it's all ugly wide body Boeing & Airbus designs that are a nightmare to look at and fly on ..... Electra forever !!!
My parents knew a married couple who perished aboard a LANSA Electra flight that crashed going to Lima.
This one sounds different from the one built in 1961. I think it was #13 of 19, and it's the one I mentioned the other Lockheed airplanes. (Now that I can spell Lockheed correctly, I won't embarrass myself, haha.)
Wow, that prop separation is a little too scary.
In the story of the prop separation, it sounds like the outer starboard prop threw a blade, which struck the lower starboard side of the fuselage, and resulted in cabin decompression. Have you ever seen the 1990 TV movie, "Miracle Landing"? It's about a 1969 Boeing 737 that turned into a convertible at 24,000 feet. It landed safely, but one of the three flight attendants was sucked out when the decompression occurred.
I think that most commercial airliners should be turboprop instead of fan jet. Turboprop engines are more fuel efficient than fan jet engines. Also, I love the sound that the props make.
The only setback there is that you wouldn't be able to fly as fast or as high, because the thinner the air gets, the more quickly you can lose engine power. You'd need to have such powerful engines. Yes, the jets would help, but you'd still burn more gas in the long run, because you'd have the jets and the props. These bigger engines might as well have turbo fans inside a cage, if you will, and I believe that's also more stable for flying at higher altitudes with the jets. I could be wrong, and I'm open to any correction.
Today's high bypass fan jet engines are nothing more than a ducted fan powered by a gas turbine core with a bypass ratio of around 95%. Back in the 70's I served as flight engineer on a DC8-62h equipped with Pratt & Whitney JT3D-7 turbofans with a bypass ratio of around 35%. With 2/3 of the thrust being produced by the Jet Engine itself this could still be considered a true Jet Engine. I really miss those days ! The Rolls Royce RB-211 high bypass engine changed aviation forever from the mid-70's on.... The Electra is a wonderful airplane and I love turboprops. In 1965 I was privileged to ride on an Electra from New Orleans to Houston -- Eastern Airlines. It remains one of the greatest memories of my life !! One more thing : I think the Electra is the best airliner of ALL TIME -- tied with the DC8 - 50 series models.
@@heatherstub With the turboprop, you could fly as high as 25,000 feet. As far as speed goes, roughly 80 or 90 MPH slower in cruising speed. That would make a significant difference on a long haul from Charlotte NC to Seattle. But on a flight from Charlotte to New York LaGuardia, maybe 15 to 20 minutes of extra time between takeoff and touchdown. I think it'd be worth those extra minutes to save jet fuel. Fan jet aircraft, I feel are best for cross country and overseas flights.
@@jackyclaiborne2142 Thank you very much. That's good to know.
How much additional thrust does the exhaust provide on a turboprop engine?
It's my understanding that the exhaust adds roughly a ten percent extra thrust. Most of the thrust comes from the props, which is why turboprop engines are much more fuel efficient than conventional fan jet engines, With a fan jet engine, it's the other way around. Most of the thrust comes from the exhaust, and then the fan at the front, only provides a slight extra thrust with air by-passing the combustion chamber. It's my understanding that a full size airliner the size of a Boeing 737, or an Airbus A-320 would use 40 percent less fuel with four turboprop engines instead of the two big fan jets. However, the downside, roughly 80 or 90 miles an hour slower in cruising speed. It would make a significant difference on a cross country or overseas flight, but add only 15 to 20 minutes of flight time on a run from Charlotte NC to New York LaGurardia. On most such domestic flights, it think it would be worth those extra minutes to save jet fuel, and the environment.
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Pilot: welcome on board reeve flight 8
Propeller seprates At 25:10
Hey Daniel...This plane it plane ???? if it plane i congratulate you ...
Best way to preserve an aircraft? Make it work for a living. You must have flown her soon before that guy who made the aircraft for Flight Simulator 98. He was Electra nuts. Everyone should be! Think his name was Bruce.
Reeve invited him to have as many flights as he liked which resulted in a very successful design that was very popular with flight simmers.