Perplexing Poker Hand Reveal is Very Suspicious!
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- The villian makes a play with an unexpected hand combination in our latest hand review, "Suspicious Hand Reveal is VERY Surprising!" In an aggressive 5/10 no-limit poker game, our hero faces off against a formidable opponent who overbets the river, applying max pressure. The decision to call leads to a surprising reveal, it sparks jokes and speculation about real-time assistance-even in a live setting! Join us as we dissect this intense poker showdown and share a laugh over the outcome.
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0:00 - Intro
1:46 - Preflop
3:59 - Flop
6:55 - Turn
10:40 - River
15:00 - Hero Decision
16:23 - Reveal
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Do we think the opponent was clicking buttons or has done some solver work?
I would assume a good $5/$10 reg has done some solver work and understands that it's useful to have some lower equity bluffs in flop check/raise ranges. A-hi with a triple backdoor seems like an intuitive candidate to me. Overpairs are also meant to c/r some there, and it seems highly relevant whether or not villain pulls the trigger on these at SPR > 25.
Feels pretty uncomfortable, imo. It's one thing to study solver output enough to intellectually understand what these ranges should look like in theory. It's another to stack off for 200bb/$2k with them.
Not sure about solver work, but caller says he is a scrappy player fighting for pots. Since they are fairly deep at 200+ bbs, opponent check raises flop to feel out hero's range, while he has back door equity with broadway, diamonds, and wheel outs, and possibly thinks a duece could be good at showdown if a king doesn't roll off. Of course opponent would be narrowing hero's range to KJ, AK, and spades draws. Half pot bet on the turn after picking up a decent amount of equity with a gutter and has fold equity if hero may fold off AK, KJ without spades, and possibly his spde draws, and pairs below the Q and 10...essentially just being a table bully. Then opponent nails his gin card and gets paid off, moving in with a polarized range of bluffing missed spades and straight draws or sets/straights combos.
Of course I am not a professional by any means, and I am currently on 12k down swing of 1/3, 5/5, and little bit of 5/10. So my analysis can't be trusted! 😂
I would be curious if u could get the opponent on the horn and get his rundown of the hand without him knowing u spoke with this caller. Would be interesting to say the least.
Spicy. From the dynamic that the caller gave, I think cutoff knew button didn’t have better than one pair and thinks button overfolds and was probably blasting river regardless but got lucky. Considering their background I like the call. Question is does he blast if he missed 🤷♂️. Never know but dude sounds capable.
Ad2d is a CRISTAL CLEAR checkraise on the flop. Overcard, bd fd and 2 bd str8draws.
Especially when playing against a weak player like hero!
it was H "clicking buttons"!! "V" and solver??
I love how Bart always ignores callers at the beginning when they start talking about their perceptions of the villain then later asks for them :p
Yeah, seems to be a pattern of great listening skills on display… Am thinking it is time to fold on the clickbait thumbnails and talking head commentary…
Villain is attacking a perceived 'capped' range by Hero's just call pre
Bingo
There’s no way this villian wasn’t going for it when he misses, so good call.
what's good about it?
But, did V miss? If he hit, would've he also shoved? lol
By playing defensively, H left V's range uncapped and unzipped. He could have literally anything (means: 67, A2, 33, TT, QT...lmao!). So: calling here believing V missed is a sick assumption. (BTW: See what happened!).
@@pot_kivach160you want bluffers to bluff when you have a hand that can call. You don't want to blow them out of the pot to defend against like 15% equity or whatever it is. There's merit to making yourself uncapped and hard to play against, but in this case, I don't think there's any other way to play the hand post flop. We should have hands like 33 and Q10 A2ss, 54ss, and 67ss sometimes Q5 and Q4ss so we're not totally unprotected here either, although this range is probably more narrow than our misses and weak made hands (which is why it's a good bluffing opportunity).
@@Dementia.Pugilistica focusing on catching bluffs only and not on your hand protection is a one sided concept. Like: _V would've played the same when he missed - therefore he missed_
If you are happy living with that, I'd rather not disturb.
@pot_kivach160 I specifically make mention to qualify my comments against the thing you just said... like, I wrote a lot that make it literally impossible for you to have that interpretation if you can read and are intellectually honest lol
@@Dementia.Pugilistica well, well...
1) even after reading your original post again, I do not see your _literally impossible_ block from your meaning being missed. I see what you meant, and I could not disagree more.
2) what about you playing slow a strong hand (top pair K kicker??) trapping all streets, and then V blasts river - you cannot know whether he is bluffing (because you made him believing your hand is weak) or he hit his hand? Putting oneself in such situation is a grave mistake and stupid play. Proof: see end of this hand.
3) turn call is a lose/not-win situation. So: what you are catching here is what you get: lose or not-win river! (look at my post about "my process of thinking" below).
Here after the villain called in to give his prospective
What a run out for a hand that was so middling it was crazy.
While I was watching this past turn I saw the 5 and though (we’ll wheel aces pick up extra equity for barrels) and actually thought a2 of diamonds on River considering all the cards that allow him to pick up equity and he can rep a lot of draws that do come in as he has a lot of those in his range. I don’t know if this combo specifically gets used by the solvers, but nice find by villian.
I also x/r wheel aces with the backdoor flush here, but i’m not a solver wizard. There are just so many cards scary cards that you can bluff on, and when you do get there you typically get paid because the obvious draws. But i give up if the obvious draws miss.
This is a pretty standard hand from villains for anyone who has studies GTO. Check raising the flop with a low equity bluff with nutted redraw is very good as it doesn't mind getting re-raised and having to fold. When river came and Bart said it's a blank I thought "67dd can definitely take this line" and A2dd didn't surprise me
To me it’s quite obvious he has 2 realistic value hands: TT and 33. (Only one available combo of QT suited, and QQ is rarely a Cr here.) The ratio of hands hero beats relative to those he loses to is huge. This is a call.
Live even up to 5/10 i just feel the final bullet isn't fired enough with this line. You can not just overfold but way over fold these near 0 ev indifferent spots and come out ahead.
@@TheTree1 makes sense
Villain opened the cutoff, so QTo is in range, making 6 combos of QT. This basically doubles the realistic value range. Plus As2s and 7s6s (and apparently Ad2d and 7d6d). There are a lot of potential bluff combos, but spades make fairly poor barrels, so it's not like villain is drowning in bluffs here.
none of those two hands are realistic. Flop and particularly turn bet sizes do not get along. Not even the river shove!! What hand did he expect to call his shove?? A pair? A sick assumption that he was bluffing?
H arrived on river with a wrong play. And now, trying to embarrass everyone with: _What would you do at river??_ Well, I'd threw him in it (hoping it is deep enough!!). And then get back home!
Why wouldn't some Aces or Kings take a x/r line? QQ and TT is usually 3 bet against a c/o open meaning that H is heavily weighted toward QT or 33 for strong value hands.
Who came here after the villain called the show?
Add has 4 straightening card outs on the turn and any diamond brings backdoor flush draw. Opponent is right on the money re-raising. 3 to a straight, 3 to a flush, no showdown. Gotta raise that
Sick hand at my home casino! MGM Detroit is a great place to play, love the energy and promotions. I'm at 1/3 player who should move up to 2/5 but I never do, perhaps it's because I perceive the 2/5 crowd not as fun as they seem to take themselves very seriously. I'm definitely not ready for the madness of 5/10 that's for sure. It's too bad we have to travel to Battle Creek, MI or Toledo for tournaments. Bart, always a pleasure to watch your videos as you r so passionate about every single hand - also good luck at WSOP! What's your schedule? R u selling action?
Insane hand 😮 really hard to decide. Villain is still uncapped... But hero under represented his hand... Nutjob reveal, obviously
That was an unexpected reveal!
Interesting that villain is x-raising A2d with the backdoor flush and backdoor straight draw. It's a smart play - we can play more aggressively on flop and then lots of turn & river board textures. Is that a function of being out of position, even when we're the preflop aggressor?
I see it though. A2dd gives the nut backdoor flush and any continuing hands are too low absolute strength to compete against the potential straight or flush. The only thing is, the probability of landing any individual backdoor is like 2%, so it's actually wild that Villain made that hand. I think they were just experienced and they played it well though.
Your poker videos make me watch at a slower speed!!
This is a good thing…so much better than speeding it up to 1.25 because nothing is being said!
Bart forgot one of his favorite lines about absolute bet sizing: $1400 is $1400, u lose to too many value hands that would go that large on the river smh if its not rampage or action Dan betting that on the river then its a fold
A few opponent hand combinations and considerations that I don't think was talked about near enough were AQ, KQ and in particular those hands that had either one or both cards with spades. When hero didn't 3 bet his post flop reraise villain is never putting hero on a set or top two pair with the two spades on board. And villain is not putting hero on a flush draw either because he blocks them if he has spades in his hand.
So villain is likely putting hero on the exact hand he had with very few 10's in the range, with the other option possibly a straight draw but he also blocks KJ or AJ with the A or K in his hand too. So when the blanks come on the turn and river since villain fast played his top pair/good or top kicker he's might make the polarized bet for one of either two reasons: 1) for value if he puts hero on KQ or QJ hoping hero calls thinking he missed his draw(s), or in the alternative 2) he puts hero on AQ himself, and might think the all-in bet pushes hero off the chop if villain might not think hero would call with only top pair and not believe villain would shove on a missed draw.
love your explanation of all those situations where people say "you called flop and turn, why do you fold river if it's a brick, what changed" - the fact that he 3 barreled
Yes but op was airballing really. So 3 barrel meant not so much right, hero admits to overfolding and I think op just goes for it, after pot size call turn, he knows it's really time for hero to take a stand. Filthy filthy run-out.
I was thinking something like Ax diamonds would be a great checkraise candidate but I am surprised it continued to barrel that big past flop. I do however expect a LOT of Ax of spades here and I am stationing here all day long. While overpairs can checkraise (although I honestly don't love the play) I actually think QT might want to slowplay more just because it blocks value SO heavily. With so many draws out there and this specific combo of KQ I am snap calling.
I don't think I raise Q10 here blocking either.
Ngl, Im quite proud of myself rn... When they were at the turn, I started thinking about the As 2s, and they didnt even mention that until he turned his cards! (im new to poker, this was a fun read lol)
No one called that hand. Crazy.
Interesting hand, well played by villain. Curious whether he would’ve/should’ve jammed the river on a different brick as well…
Not entirely sold on the logic that it becomes less of a call because the CO has more hands pre-flop than earlier positions.
Surely by the same logic that CO has more Q10o, we must also then acknowledge that CO has more hands to bluff at the end i.e. most of the KJo, most of the J9o, most of the spades, all the AJo, some K9o etc...?
By holding a Q, CO has less combos of QT.
This is the same OOP play that Marc Goone is suggesting with check 100 on flop and C/R all draws on a small stab. I think the $30 flop bet made this play. The best bluff is where villain calls flop and turn but folds river.
A2dd def in the thought process but it’s just so unlikely. Love the villains check raise flop. Makes a nice pair with TT 33 and some combo draws
Hah! We play TH every month and after 20 yrs I thought I knew the basics but I didn’t understand anything they said in the first 10min. Super amateur home game with chatty friends here.
Caller sounds like the guy from Company Man on CZcams.
i am yet to win online nl 50. but i will definitely play the same as villain with A2s. i think villain is having good play and hero call is reasonable. actually i discount alot of TT and 33 , unless villain have the habit of range check. TT and 33 is one of the best hand to bet bet bet , 3 street that dont block any hero call. i might even discount AA and KK , with this deep spr. if villain is decent player he should know AA KK getting stack in with that spr likely not winning.( of course if villain think hero is station) value hand that make sense to me. QT, QQ, the rest is mainly draw hand
He check-raised flop with back doors and barreled turn when he picked up said back door. Pretty standard stuff. Also, any competent player is capable of taking this line for value with AQ+ on such a dry runout.
Would depend on how the villain previously played a few hands, but maybe I'd pitch the top pair like a nit as you say. Guess that makes me a tight playa.
5x a small raise usually has the nuts.
Diamonds makes sense if you consider the opponent was trying to bluff the flop with the check raise then when he gets it trough and turns the draw he decides to pot it hoping you would assume he had spade draw then back doors the straight.
What? The op 'hopes' you put him on spades, did op 'know' he was gonna bink a 4-outer?
Don't forget his Ace as an out plus if he was planning to bluff the hand any spade could help sell it too. Roughly thats 7 outs for Numbers and 11 for suit equaling 16 total outs (-2 since they're counted twice)
Plus the players are familiar with each other too therefore he probably felt comfortable with his read on the Hero having top pair.
@@WillPage
Personally I think Hero let the opp catch up with his meager flop bet.
Doing this exposed his hand as one pair holding and when he calls check-raise it reveals top pair.
This left him open to river bluffs but this time opp caught up instead.
I think you pretty much have to call that River after that run out versus capable player because if you look at MDF that's basically the best hand you can have at the river, KQ, based on how you play the previous streets so you would have to call
What a fish to play A2d this way!
Wow I would be so tilted 😮😮😮
pretty sure GTO is calling here at high frequency
File that under better to be lucky than good.
Ouch.
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This doesn't happen with a $50 flop bet. The $30 gave him license and then of course he gets there because every mistake no matter how small is destined for maximum pain in this damn game.
This also doesn’t happen when we bet 100, or just jam the flop.
@@ticenits1926 Except that would be stupid.
@@rickwelch8464 so would betting $50 if your intention is to make your opponent fold
I'm trying to get actual value and not cbet to cbet because I am supposed to.
@@rickwelch8464 you said "this wouldnt have happened if you bet 50". What wouldnt have happened?
Can't tell the difference between clubs and spades on screen
Bluff, bluff, get there. No play more profitable
The flop CR froze hero like a deer in the headlights. He became willing to stop all aggression, yet hand over the entire $2000. Not a terrible strategy for flop and turn if he knew hero's exact cards, and that hero would shove river regardless of hand strength. But both of those things were quite unlikely.
The key decision point was on the flop. Hero needed to recognize that each player was only on the hook for $30 of a $75 pot so far, yet was sitting with $2000. Betting $30 as 40% pot is OK if you're willing to give the hand up when you're on the hook for $60. If you're going to call down with villain blasting off on all 3 streets, you need the aggression to not be 100% from him, and 0% from you. Old-school "gap theory", villain needs a stronger hand to call down your own aggression with than blast off with.
I'd never bet $30 on that flop with $2000 stacks, unless bet/folding or inducing so I can 3-bet. But if I do end up in that situation, and get 5x'd, I'm either folding or 5x'ing it right back, mixed in with minraising a small percentage of the time representing the absolute nuts.
I guess I could be generous and say hero played a masterful game of "rope a dope", and got sucked out on. But at no point did he ever take control of the betting, and at no point did he size a bet or make a raise in a way to help "see where he's at." Playing 5-10NL hands for stacks, when you have no idea where you're at, is not a very good idea.
I am not surprised at all to see the villain showing up with that hand here.
I think it's a call on the river because the villain can have AK, AJ, KJ, J9, and a lot of missed spades. And even some missed diamonds (including A5, A4, and A3). This villain is obviously good enough to bluff with a pair on the river, so A5 and A4 of spades are definitely in his range, too.
There are so many hands that can bluff here, and it's really just A2 of diamonds or spades, pocket 10s or pocket 3s, or Q10 suited for value.
If villains good enough to find these sort of bluffs, he's good enough not to over bluff turns and rivers. A lot of those hands would give up so as to not over bluff.
@@seslocrit9365 if the villain is good enough, he is giving up bluffs on spade draws and some A high straight draws, but there are still many bluff remained such as open ended and gut shot straights that unblock spades, backdoor draws… these bluffs still justify a call for KQ here, hero might fold out Q with weaker kickers facing an allin on river
The only way you're not surprised by that reveal is if you have a nuclear-powered Delorian parked in your garage.
@@seslocrit9365 If the villain thinks that the hero is overfolding, then he will be bluffing more than he should be in a GTO situation.
@@hickoryst.6961
I called As 2s
This is a common bluff for those who've studied (deep stack) solver work. It's one thing I've tried incoporating from online to my game.
Think about it, any diamond, Jack, King, A, 5, 4 gives the OOP a shit ton of (fold) equity (especially diamonds). I'm surprised villain found it but kudos.
Obviously, you have to make sure you arent over doing it but a lot of online players would find these sort of bluffs. Other examples are with 65/A4/A9/54 and then the usual J9/AJ/KJ/98.
I doubt the solver check raises this combo, I bet he's more likely to bet it. Chech the solver and let me know
@@barygol OOP checks a ton to the IP player the closer the OOP moves to the button as the range is wider. I wouldn't surprised if this and other similar boards are a range check.
Exactly. I see these all day long online, but rarely live.
@@barygol Solver check/raises specifically this combo, along with AA & KK at some frequency, and a bunch of other stuff that might not feel intuitive unless you've done an unhealthy amount of solver study.
Yeah was thinking 5s4s plays hand this way and goes for value on river
i think both play fine! every move for both players is pretty standard if u study solver quite a bit, just to note that check raising with backdoor flush/straight draws doesn’t appear much in low stakes
KQ is 100% a 3-bet in this spot! There is also 0 reason for betting the flop.
fear of being 4bet is not a valid reason to not 3bet. 3bet your hand and if you get 4bet its an easy fold. People need to stop being scared of the prospect of having to fold a good hand
That is filthy AF
Hero does not block any Qx spades.
can you ever three bet the flop there's just so many draws out there?
No
Here's my process of thinking as I go with the video:
Preflop: I'd 3-bet without much hesitation. (IP, have high cards, 1 opponent likely, KQo is not too good to fold to a 4-bet).
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by not 3-bet pre flop, this flop 4:40 CO check hard to read. He could have anything here. I would bet $25 here.
(will update as I go)
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(wow! No turn yet!) 5:18 V x/r flop to $150. I call. R: V must have a combo drawing hand (18 outs with an overcard A).
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Turn: V bets pot size??? Now, I shove! V's bet size screams a combo draw. He wants me out of pot now. If I just call, it's a lose/lose situation. If he a) missed his hand , I ve got $0.00 form him; b) hist his hand, I lost. Shoving is the must!
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River: CO jams...well, I have no scenario here (as I would not arrive at river this way).
Now, all depends on (A) V profile. Splashy? Capable of bluffing? and (B) My profile: Tight? NIT? Scared money player? If answer to all ?? is YES, I'd call. Otherwise Fold. And never look back. Now, I'm at 11:30
_(will reply to this post after I see hand reveal)_
16:24 A2dd! Yeahhh...(all I overestimated was his "outs" cards). Not shoving turn was a huge mistake with this kind of player profiles.
I am playing a 2/5 no limit Holden game. I got pocket kings and raised aggressively pre-flop. I get a call from a loose aggressive player and a loose passive player. The board came up A74. The loose aggressive player bets 1.1x the pot. I fold. The loose passive player calls. The turn is a 9. Then the river is a 2. The loose aggressive player makes a pot sized bet. The other player calls and wins with JJ. The bettor shows Q10. At this point I was completely furious. Later, I get QQ and raise aggressively. I am now heads up with this loose aggressive player. The flop comes A95. The same player that bluffed me off from my KK hand bets 150% of the pot. Now my thought is that I am not going to allow this guy to bully me. I go over the top of him with a pot sized raise. We get into a raising war and he turns over A9. My hand never improved and I lost my entire stack of $875 (175 big blinds). What did I do wrong?
Don't raise someone you think is bluffing you.
People that bluff that large you don't need to check them with marginal hands, you can wait for a good hand and just take them down then. Blasting off like that with QT is a pretty big mistake against two people so this player seems like a bad lag (as well as going 1.5 with top two pair)
Omg i would have leave the game after such runner runner unlucky bluff catch although i suspect if he didnt hit he might just check river so i would be blaming myself as well
This is a fold IMO. The check raise is usually a big draw or pair. The villain got there on some usually luck but his play was strong and should have saved our caller some money on the river.
The check raise is usually a big draw or pair....or BOTH. Nobody talked about AQ spades and KQ spades (or less likely QJ spades)
12:43 a common misconception by Bart
yeah. Ks in H hand would've changed everything here!
That is a forking disgrace.
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this is exactly like the Mariano vs Henry. same hands, same runout: czcams.com/video/xeWUFj7-cxI/video.htmlsi=lSuxIVD3YvZlVV7d
Just because you "block" hands doesnt mean they cant have those hands😊 you blocker theory players are free money in bounty tournaments
poker pain. pick your battles with weaker players.
#SighCall
🤮🤮!!! That's pretty fishy!!!
What the rta is that shit
He is exploiting the small flop bet. CO has to check a lot here (even simplifying to check 100% is not bad) which means BTN needs to check or bet big.
The small bet is likely a custom size the caller is using that is capped and potentially overbluffed.
This is a fantastic play by villain honestly. So many turns give this hand insane equity. Exact two cards you want to be check raising a flop with. I like it a lot.
I find it odd that on a video, talking about poker, which means almost everyone watching the video, is studying poker, that an 'unstudied" position is taken.
I only play recreationally now, but before 2008, I'd play 100,000 hands a month online, but I spent 3 * the amount of time, just going over hand history, and even more time studying, and we had way fewer tools available.
Someone who is playing live 3-4 times a week, could be spending 20+ hours a week studying poker, and going over every potential combination.
Honestly, I don't find Ad2d to be an odd hand.
1. You have to have aggressive bluffs in your hand, and an easy way to work this in, is incorporate backdoor, especially the backdoor nuts.
2.The 5c on the turn is important, because you need to have in foe's range, what backdoors could be in play, and As2s, As4s (you know he doesn't have this on the River), Ad2d, Ad4d can all be in play (on the Turn)
Then, the 4 on the river means all the Ax2x combos just wheeled up.
BTW, you were not playing the hand as if you had QT, so this allows more aggression by Foe.
Plus, one of the reasons to bet these backdoors, is that when they come in, often people pay off.
Your foe played the hand really well, IMO, as there was such a wide range of hands he could have, some of which you beat, making it really hard for you to make the correct decision.
The key to this hand is, REMEMBER THE BACKDOOR hands. Those fractions of a card for equity actually do matter. It is these tiny edges where players can make a ton of money.
“All the Ax2x combos…”
You mean 2 of them?
A studied players isn’t opening A2o and checkraising A2hh or A2cc seems absurd. You’d be way overbluffing.
_I'd play 100,000 hands a month online, but I spent 3 * the amount of time, just going over hand history, and even more time studying_
you're funny. Doing simple algebra comes that you worked 28 hours a day. And so for months, years!! lol...
Also, playing 3300 hands a day does not allow application of any thinking as the result of deep and thorough studying. When study deep, and get some results, one has to apply those results carefully and that takes a time.
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BTW, not sure what BACKDOOR hands are you talking about.
@@pot_kivach160 You don't seem to be aware of multi-tabling. I played 16 tables at at time. Many played more tables, but 16 was the max on PokerStars at the time.
It is over 1,000 hands an hour, 25 hours per week. Plus, hand history review can and was done while playing. The decisions made while multi-tabling are trivial, after you've played 300,000 hands. I spent about 75 hours a week devoted to poker back then.
Yeah he was cheating
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