Elite Omnia is it rubbish?
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- čas přidán 10. 09. 2024
- A customer purchased the Elite Omnia and said the cables touch the cams and I can't get the bow to tune - I want my money back. We look at the Elite Omnia and see if the cables touch the cams and if they do how to we adjust it so they dont. We discuss other bow brands where the cables touch the cams.
We then take the Omnia to the range to see if we can paper tune the bow.
before giving our final assessment of the latest bow compound bow from Elite Archery.
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I have an elite Omnia. The cable on top cam was touching. I paid my bowtech a press fee and a plate of cookies. Took him 5-10 minutes. Guys ITS NOT A BIG DEAL. I absolutely love my Omnia.
Not all bows are just that easy mine was shimmed ect still ridiculously touching completely trash
@@megam3at171 maybe you should send it to Steven to tune.
I tune all my bows to a 1/4 high/ left tear to start. Learned that from a pro archer years ago. He said same as you that it gives it direction the same every shot. After walk back tuning the rest I leave it be. Don’t even put it on paper again because the tear doesn’t matter. If its putting them all on the vertical its perfect. I have an Elite Remedy with set technology and was disappointed. Never had to use it. Shot perfect out of the box. Man I really wanted to turn on some screws to see it work. Well maybe next time. Your looking more like yourself each video. Keep up the great work. No more rubbish bows.
Any input you make during the shot can move the arrow. On a bow tuned with s perfect bullet hole that movement can be left or right or up or down. It can literally go any direction. If you tune with a small amount or tear the arrow will always go that direction. Like if you balance a pencil straight up and let go it can fall any direction. But if you lean it one way a bit it will fall that way every single time. Lean it less it still goes there. Lean it more it still goes there. None of my bows shoot bullet holes once they are distance tuned. Once you get the most forgiveness in your bow go put it through paper. It definitely wont shoot bullet holes. Just try it and see. This fall tuned my friends Mathews to a bullet hole. He thought his broadheads would fly better. His field points and broadheads were 4 inches apart at 20 yards. Tuned his bow to get both hitting in the dot out to 60 yards. Through paper with that tune it had 3/8 left tear. The paper just gets you in the ballpark. Walk back tuning and distance group tuning is the final say.
@@jamesshepherd7727 abso freakin lutely
@@jamesshepherd7727 Their are also lots of pro's who disagree and say you always start with a bullet hole , then walk back. I prefer to always get a Bullet hole ,I also shoot Bare shaft out to 20yd . But I like to knock tune every bare shaft before fletching . I understand what your saying, But its IMO wrong. and your just making your vanes do more work to straighten the arrow flight, Im not happy unless its Bullet hole . anything else is just Lazy
It is exceptional to see an honest person who speaks from the heart with love and honesty, best of luck, health and success Steve. I love to watch every time I enjoy it anew. You are equal to a divine soul.
Look I’ve watched and enjoyed many of your videos.
Because I had this same issue with my Omnia, I watched your video.
I returned mine as well, I believe Elite just screwed up my bow. It happens we’re human, sadly it was my first elite and it scared me away from them after they said/ oh just swap the limbs!
The fact that you consider the horrible tear in that paper to be ok, it questions everything that you consider to be ok in tuning a bow.
If I can’t shoot perfect bullets and perfect at 20 with no fletching, I’m not tuned.
Maybe for a target bow it’s fine but you aren’t shooting broadheads with that tear!
I was able to get a decent bare shaft at 20 with my Omnia but the rest was soooo far left it looked ridiculous and the cams were so leaned over like his. Not to mention the SET bolts would break just getting it that far.
Please explain your acceptance of these tears with regards to tuning!
Cheers
I wish we had shop owners like this in the states. Glad to see you continually getting better mate.
Get a bow press and draw board. And with Steve teaching you. you will be charging your mates to tune there bows in no time. Usually a 6 pack is a common fee
That’s a big tear ....problem is if you move the tear the string will touch....shouldn’t ever touch....you got the string not to touch but what a tear then you get rid of tear then the string will touch
😂 I said the same thing. I'm not sure what the point of the video was? You can make it not touch the cam if your OK with a decent tear from a fletched shaft, would've been worse from a bare shaft.
Both of you must have had the audio off on the video.
Correcting for a left tear would give more cable clearance.
If a shop showed me that tear with a fletched field point and said that was pretty much tuned and they would shoot it like that … I’d find another shop. It’s a hunting bow. A fixed blade broadhead would be 8”+ off at 40 yards.
I would not be happy with that tear, I wish you would have finished the tuning process and showed us you could get that out.
Same! I was really hoping to see how much more it took to get a bullet hole. Ironically though, I have an Elite Remedy and Verdict and have yet to try paper tuning them so I should stop being lazy and give it a crack myself as it looks so easy.
Fletched arrow too.. that would be a monster tear with a bare shaft
Exactly. And it was a horizontal tear that you should be able to tune with the set tech... what happens if correcting the tear reintroduces that rub?
I agree....this video proves nothing. What was the tear before tuning cams? Should have tuned again for perfect bullet hole.
@@peterp1143 it proves the customer was right , had the same problem with a left tare
Why didn't you use the SET system to tune it to a bullet hole, then check if it cables touch the cams top or bottom, and no archer that has any experience would be happy with that hole through paper and I've been doing longer that you...
Least that bow the limbs don't look like there on pissed angles...
I hope your doing well mate, hope your recovery is going good. But…. That was a half inch tear and not even close to a bullet hole which is what your looking for. That is not a tuned bow with that tear. If you tried to shoot a fixed blade broad head with that tear and your arrow coming out of the bow like that your arrow would plain big time even at 20 yards.
I was shooting a Hoyt Prevail SVX and changed to an Elite Verdict a few month ago after watching all the Flag Ship model reviews on this channel. I live in Sydney and therefore ordered it online from you. I love the bow but it took me a while to tune if perfectly because It has so many adjustment options. I blame the lengthy tuning process on my knowledge and skill in tuning and not on the bow. An experienced person could have most likely achieved the same result in a tiny fraction of the time it took me. After spending hours upon hours getting it right I can truly say now that I can adjust the bow on the fly with just a set of Allen keys so it was worth the time I spend on learning how to tune the bow. Bonus: No bow press needed. Hoyt Bows are great, aggressive, high quality bows but Elite is soooo User Friendly and easy to shot. Also the customer service and the speed the order was processed in was incredible and very much appreciated. You should be able to enjoy your eggs for breakfast, you deserve it.
Steven, as some of the comments mentioned, we would like to see the rest of the paper tuning to get a perfect bullet hole. It doesn’t matter much with field points, but with broad heads that would be tremendously off from field point. Id you could please make that video. Thanks as always for the great content. Just got an omnia with the same circumstance.
Mine had the cable issue when I got it but my bow tech had it solved quickly and it’s shooting awesome
After 6 weeks of keeping the bow, I wouldn’t refund it.
Love the video! Have the era and the omnia. Both were super easy to tune.
Love all your reviews Steve , love to see a review on the PSE shoot down pro ,I think it came out just when you went into the hospital . Happy to you doing so well , prayers for continued healing !
I love your videos but you need to redo this one and show a perfect tear. Whether it matters or not it doesn’t look good especially when the customer is unsatisfied with the tuning of the bow.
After having read all the comments I am surprised that some people call that a bad tear. I'll give you that it's not a perfect bullet hole, but that is NOT a bad tear. It's not perfect for sure, but that could be fixed by simple nock tuning or minor rest adjustment(s). Regardless of how, I am 100% confident I could get that bow to shoot perfect bullet holes and most likely way before you start looking at cam or limb issues. Then there is the arrow itself. I have worked on a bow for hours just to find out the arrows were not a good fit for the bow - even though based on a spine chart the should have been fine. It does not take a lot to make arrow and bow fall out of tune and seem un-tunable. Just because someone says they have worked on bows for 30 years does not mean they know the proper steps to follow and in what order.
Doesn't matter if he order it online, how can you give any customer a bow with strings touching cam's???
You're video is 15min and it might just take your staff 5-10 min to not get the strings touching.
The "great system" is no good with strings touching!
Success! I love your down to earth, common sense approach perspectives to archery. I hope you are feeling well. The best is yet to come. Good bless.
Great Vid, Tnx :) Sorry to hear about your heart issues. I've heard of a few people having issues recently.....Seems strange, you look young and fit - can I ask if you had the jabb?
I'm surprised that you would be happy with that tear.
I’m honestly not surprised, this guy clearly knows nothing about tuning bows.
Not to be the one to rain on the parade, but I have owned 2 Omnias. The first tuned in a snap. I tuned this bow myself at the shop I bought it from. Literally took less than 5 minutes. A couple of weeks later a guy wanted to buy it and I let him. I bought a second, and it was a nightmare. I don't currently own a press, so I took it to the best shop in town. $70 later and the SET maxed out my arrow rest was so far left of center my Spot Hogg ran out of travel before getting it zeroed.
This Omnia needed the limb orientation changed to correct the issue. I wasn't investing more in a tune as i was disgusted with the bow. I traded it in the next morning.
Like you, I have been shooting for more than 4 decades, and have been a tech for about 30 years. I would not have found the tear you ended your video with acceptable. A clean bullet hole is what is acceptable. You should have completed the tuning on camera so we could see what it took.
Some of the early Omnias shipped this way. Take a stroll through AT and it can be pretty easily discovered.
I am not downing you or Elite. I like Elite bows and your content. Things happen when people are assembling things.
I am getting the impression the P/O of my Omnia sold it for a reason. I had a pro shop paper tune it, got dialed in with field tips, but when I attempted tuning broadheads they would cork screw and hit all over. Paid a second shop to tune it. Again, field tips dialed in, broadheads just cork screw. I then did research and noticed both cams rubbed the cable. At full draw both cams are cock eyed as all get out. The LTR is dialed farrrr right to clear the arrow fletchings. I am a bow newb and I am absolutely frustrated at this supposed flag ship bow. What now? Pay more money to a shop? Sell this for a loss? I don't know.
What heads are you using? Some heads are tough to get good flight out of.
@@jeffbaker5038QAD Exodus.
@@jontest5718 those are typically decent shooting heads, but I have seen them do some pretty wonky things if they weren't aligned with my fletching. I had a 2022 PSE Omen that would shoot perfect bullet holes through paper, but it wouldn't shoot the Exodus worth a flip. I'm shooting Slick Trick original 100gr 4 blade now and they fly great.
@@jeffbaker5038I flirted with the idea of trying mechanicals, but alas ive already messed with the bow and it will need to be retuned again regardless, I am thinking I just cut my losses and sell it. The fact remains the cables hit the cams and the damn LTR is cranked out far right to clear my Goltip XT Hunters fletchings.
I'm glad you're on your feet! I wish I a speedy recovery
Some people are just xxxxx I personally buy in your shop and love the service
I had an Elite Kure with the same issue. I bought it second hand with factory installed strings, and I received a pack of new Soloflex strings with it too. My first thing to do was to make the used factory strings replaced with the new. My bow tech friend did it for me. What we noticed is the serving was a little bit different on the Soloflex but not much.
I struggled almost half a year to get that Kure tuned but did not succeed.
I was told "it's you, not the bow"..."it's the spine, not the bow".
When everything was centered, cams, roller guard, arrow rest, I had a massive tear on paper. I could shoot almost a bullet hole when I adjusted the rest far left. Not good.
I've tried to tune, to compensate also with the rollerguard. Was a bit better, but then I had such a small vane clearence that I had to switch from Blazers to a smaller profile vane set.
And of course I could compensate/tune with the SET technology. But every time when tuning seemed to be okay, I shot a bullet hole, the top cam was always touching the cable.
All in all by the time I could find a setup when paper tuning was okay and broadheads flew well, the bow had an extreme setup. Extreme cam lean, extreme rollerguard-setting, extreme rest-setting. Not to mention that its forgiveness became a nightmare. A little bit of shooting error caused immediate missing, bad flying broadheads.
Two bow tech friends had checked my bow but could not solve the problem, so finally I've sold my Kure. I believed that its me, not the bow. The new owner made the strings swapped to a new set, and it turned out that my Soloflex set had massively different sizes. I don't know how. But that was the problem with the bow that nobody noticed.
Now the new owner is happy with the Kure, and I am happy with my new Bowtech Solution.
I guess I've been lucky because I haven't had a problem paper tuning bows. I shoot PSE. A little string twist here or there and it's good. That cam lean adjustment on the Elite is slick though and could come in handy.
Why would you say it’s so easy then not get it in tune?
You should get the Spot Hogg Laser Cam Alignment Tool. At full draw, you place it alongside one cam with the laser pointed towards the other cam. You do this for both cams, and make adjustments until both cams are pointed towards each other at full draw with the laser dot in the middle of the string track. I use it to adjust Bowtech's Deadlock system while at full draw, got cams to point towards each other, and boom, perfect bullethole through the paper. You may need to remove the string stop first or it might block the laser beam.
That tear isn’t acceptable to me. If you’re going to paper tune might as well get the ol’ BULLET HOLE! That’s where the beginning of the tuning arrow flight/ groups/ sight settings begins. Just the start.
Really nice mate! That's the problem with buying online. When you buy a high end bow , it has to be tuned to you. That system looks awsome to tune, but not alike any other system aurond other bows.. so a good pro shop is the way to go. Don't have them around me. Looking to buy a hight end bow and was looking for traveling to a top bow shop buy driving or flying! If I win the lottery, I am going to call you for my next bow! 😂👊👍👌🎯
Your video proves nothing. Any experienced archer wouldn’t accept that tear at all.
To ridicule and put down customers online is nothing short of unprofessional. Whether you are right or wrong, this video should never have been made. I for one do not put any weight in one persons side of the story.
I agree incredibly unprofessional. I would never shop at Archery Supplies for this reason!
Totally agree, not doing the shop’s reputation any good.
I love tuning my own bows but if I wouldn't succeed I wish I had a shop owner like this to help me. By the way I have learned most of my tuning watching your videos. If I ever come to Australia your shop is my first stop👍👍
Some people don't know what they don't know great video thanks Steve you look great glad you're back
Makes me love my 2009 bowtech admiral still. Cams are perfectly straight.
“It gives the arrow direction” sounds like code for the shooters follow through isn’t consistent. No way I’m taking a bow to the woods that doesn’t shoot bullet holes through paper and walk back tunes. The arrows should all come off the same anyway if the build is correct.
I have an omnia. You can tune out the strings rubbing the cams, or you can paper tune an arrow, but you can’t tune a broadhead without getting a serious amount of cam lean and strings rubbing cams. Two different bow shops and 4 different bow technicians have tried. Its now hunting season and this is my hunting bow and it’s still in the shop months after it was dropped off. If this was a paper puncher it wouldn’t matter but this is a hunting bow.
Engineering and design saying “if you can’t make it perfect, make it adjustable”
Steve, after you adjusted the bow you were like a kid just after tasting ice cream for the first time. Great video
Professional shooter Randy Ulmer is the first one to say he prefers a slight high tare .I think the only reason is in the late ninetys everyone was shooting a one cam and they were impossible to get a perfect bullet hole
Alot of people are mad.that the control cable is rubbing the top cam. There is a tech problem some were. That should have never left the factory
You may be right but between the time bow leaves the factory, and the time the bow is in the customers hands???? Remember , in this case the bow was sold over the internet. As Steven said, if he sold the bow he i.e. Steven or a bow tech in Steven's shop, would make sure the bow was set up correctly, shoot i.e. paper tune etc. Just a thought.
Lmao its part of archery. If you dont know how to adjust your equipment, its agood time to learn instead of crying about simple stuff. Lol
It's a tune or a torque problem
Sorry buddy about your heart attack. I too had one 2 years ago and I had heart surgery a year ago. Then got Mono while I was in the hospital having the heart surgery.
Thanks similar thing with my enkore never really bothered me. And you are the only person i have seen that doesn't over torque their bolts. They must think they are ARP head stud's
The bottom requires less because the cable guard is above centre so its got a more forgiving angle to get clearance.
I had a couple cases of severe to insane came lean on some PSEs recently. Both were limb orientation rebuilds to put the weaker limb on the cable guard side.
In particular this Gen1 Lazer had so much bottom cam lean the cable serving was being properly worn away😅
That's crazy. This should not be happening in 2023.
Had almost the same problem with a PSE. Get close to tune and cable stop would start missing the cable, Called PSE, ended up being it was a left hand Drive NXT with right hand limb orientation.
With mine, bottom was worse. Top was clearing, bottom rubbed hard. The left limb (right handed) was quite a ways stiffer and pulled the cam into the cable. I had to swap the limbs left-right and the cam leveled out instantly. But, that's worst case, and I feel something the dealer should take care of (when store bought). There's a reason why Elite doesn't want bows sold online.
I ALWAYS go toa pro shop when one is nearby (
Sounds like the customer was a drama queen. Also unacceptable for a bow to leave the factory in that condition. Judging from the comments it's a common issue.
That tear at the end is not good, I would not be content with that.
Hope you get feeling better soon! Like watching your channel. From the states here.
Half the truth. Whisker straightens arrows with vanes. It kicks the arrow straight. Shoot a bareshaft with drop away rest through paper to really show how the bow and shooter are tuned.
Just recently purchased a Elite Omnia about 1.5 week ago and noticed rubbing on both ends. Is it worth taking it back to the dealer to get it correctly adjusted or getting a refund?
That’s not tuned , where’s the bullet hole ? Ok for target archer , broadhead different story , inconclusive video
That sound like a really good system, far better than my Mathews Triax, system will probably cost 2 times more to tune and adjust. Thanks and take care and heal ASAP.
If the triax uses top hats it's super easy to tune. Best system behind the deadlock and SET when your cable isn't touching your cam😂
I was thinking I had a Lemon just got it a couple months back. Thank's for the info.@@jordanpowell228
Lol... " Get in here" ...That wouldn't go down well with me either😂
Had a guy, yesterday, I told him, "I may be here at 8, but, that doesn't mean I'm motivated. Try 8:15." Guess who was banging on my door at 7:20? People nowadays.
@@lloydwellington5271 lol. just figures
Definitely terrific technology. I shoot a Kure, but I’m planning to purchase an Era or Omnia soon.
Ring Steven, and get him in here.
"Now that's not going to go well." - Love it!
whenever someone starts a complaint with "I've been shooting for 30 years... " you know that they have a closed mind set and stopped learning about their subject 25 years ago. Always be willing to learn new stuff.
No way i will accept that tear.
Do they set it up at the factory. If they have is moved which is quite worrying. I would like to know if this particular bow all have a cam lean from the factory.
That looks like a decent left tear.
Bit of shooter fault to ,I think.
This is one of the things I love about your videos, you shoot through paper and see a small tear, less than an inch, and are like "yes thats pretty good i feel really confident in this bow" meanwhile some others on youtube would shoot that tear and about vomit lol a small paper tear like that wont make your score go down, and a perfect paper tear wont make them go up. your own shooting will!
Yep. I’ve found if I get it to less that 1/2” I can shoot 10 arrows and over half will be perfect the rest is me especially when the same arrow does something different a few shots later people don’t understand that many times your tuning your bow to your mistakes and 3 different people will get different tears
@@bobbyratliff3349 Yes, grip from person to person can produce different tears, that's why the owner needs to be the one shooting through the paper. A bow that's not properly tuned may shoot field or target points fine, but screw a big ole fixed blade broadhead on there and that poor tune can become a big issue real quick at 30 or more yards. I go for a perfect bullet hole and work from there with broadheads.
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You would think that the manufacturer would take the time to tune the bow before sending it out. Make sure cables aren’t touching cams, that draw stops hit same time. All I have heard is the customer service of elite is top notch.
Pretty good isn't tuned especially for a fixed blade shooter. That tear is gonna result in your broadhead impacting right of fp. Had they used the SET to fix that tail left tear the cam would be touching the cable again.
Fixing the left tear will make more room for the cable not less.
@M Nero yeah I got that backwards. You need to move the string right
Is paper tuning critical to shooting a consistent group?
From a normal shooting perspective...
Negative, don't believe anyone who says you need a tune ("French tune" / centreshot is of course very important for accuracy at all ranges).
The system will launch the bow quite consistently.
Is there a sweet spot? Yes, and people like Tim G and Paige P go on about it a lot. If I had to quantify the gain in going all out, it might be 5% at most? But higher end tuning techniques are useless if you don't have the shooting foundation.
From a hunting perspective, yes tune does matter and even more so with full on broad heads.
Typically if you build a bow up in a logical manner you're sorted🙂
@@liamboyle9199 I’ve never paper tuned any of my bows. I watch the arrow as it leave my bow, make sure it’s flys true and doesn’t kick in any direction. That works for me, I seem to shoot consistent groups.
No, not at all.
LOOKING GOOD DOWN UNDER!!👍👍👍
What I’ll say before watching the entire video: if you get it tuned, have someone shoot it for a few weeks to see if it keeps going out of tune. That’s been my experience.
Steven ur too nice. If that was my shop I'd be like get over here and we will work with u and get this thing tuned too u. And if he said no I'd be like bye bye then
The Elite set system is very nice. I know nothing and tuned the bow in a few shots.
Yep mine wouldn't tune out a bullet hole no matter what cam leaned like crazy first elite I bought sold it 2 weeks later back to bowtech few shots bare shaft bullethole
My Remedy was touching out of the box as well, I didn't carry on about it. Isn't it a process of tuning your bow that you use or at least check the SET technology?
People don't think they need to read the manual on how to set up whatever specific bow. Why didn't the guy go straight to the set technology. I would have
Manual is what you read when everything else fails
what brand is your press mate
looks like a PSE Evoke 31 riser. PSE always seems to lead the way in innovations.
😂 yea they don't.
Not only do they rub the brass by the set tune rattled like crazy to
That must be that one crappy one that they saved specially for you 😏
Love the video. God bless the retail archery shops. Steven , we sincerely hope your recovery from the recent surgery is going well. The customers that insist "I know what I'm doing, I've been shooting for thirty years." are unfortunately not that unusual. Again, enjoyed the video, and what an "expert" can teach the "I'm know what I'm doing," customer. LOL!!
Unfortunately a lot of times the I know what I'm doing guys actually know more than the guys working in the shops.
Man...this whole comment section really has me second guessing switching to Elite at all. Is it just the Omnia that's had this many problems? Have been looking at the Ethos....but no bow should be that much trouble to tune. Ever. It's honestly why i switched to Mathews from Hoyt in the mid 2000s.
I'd love to have that omnia I been looking at one just can't afford 1,199 for a bow
while you are correct in a way isn't it also true that in the past we had bows that were just as fast, just as quiet, and so on that we didn't have to take apart and put back together to get into a form where they were not tearing themselves apart? When the technology is doing us more harm than good will we have the sense to recognize it?
Much love to all your videos, but the the tear is horrible. So easy to get a bullet hole after some some adjustments. I could get a bullet hole in about 15 minutes of adjustment. Then you have room to make an argument to the customer.
I love elite bow ❤❤❤
Are you going to do a part two where you re tune it properly and still have cable clearance? I own an Elite. It's paper, walk back and bare shaft tuned perfectly. The SET system is great. But I wouldn't be happy with that paper tune to start with. And I'd want to see a walk back and bare shaft tune before I'd be happy with it. A little tail high is acceptable, but the horizontal tear wasn't brilliant. You probably need to re do this video to prove it can be tuned properly and have cable clearance, otherwise it's just putting more doubt into customers minds.
It will shoot a bullet hole without cables touching the cam. Settle down bro...
@@douglasvaughn9530 I'm not saying it won't. I'm just saying it's half done. Completing the task would remove doubt from those who are considered one. And if I were any more relaxed I'd be dead.
Fixing the tail left will make more room for the cable
Thanks for the videos....I shoot all over the place....And always have an opened mind as far as ideas in archery...I shoot elite now ive been trying to find out as.much as possible on.any bow im shooting to possibly get it to shoot better....i have a short draw length so im really contemplating either omnia or verdict....Thanks for the videos!
Good Job! Hope to see u again.
That paper tear is not good. I've been tuning bows for 20 years, I own an Omnia, and bare shafts shot with fletched arrows are off with a pronounced angle. No amount of SET tuning fixed it. 60 lb draw weight at 29" with 400, 350, 340 spine arrows will not tune. LTR adjusted every which way, still a paper tear and bare shafts way out. Hooter shooter removing human error shows the same. I went back to shooting my Hoyts and Mathews and the Elite Omnia just hangs on the wall. Next step is limb swap when I find the time. Not impressed.
Don't stress Steve. You don't need it. You can't fix stupid unfortunately.
Can’t fix that bow by the looks either. Like to see you meet the buyer he might fix you stoopid!
Interesting to catch this one, just watched a Sean's outdoors tour of the elite factory, this was 5 years old, but the interesting point is that the V.P OPS, commented that all bows were checked for everything especially cam lean, if that was found the bow would not leave the factory ??. Also interesting was the elite shirt was highlighting the outdoors group owned elite. Didn't they just purchase PSE.
The outdoor group is not the same organization that bought PSE. There was heritage in that groups name somewhere.
Great video 👍🏼👍🏼
Mad scientist @ work. Awesome but lets get those safety glasses on mister!
First, not sure why you would take the bow back if not one you sold him. He should be discussing returning to the seller. Might be different if you are only excepting of behalf of the manufacturer thus causing no financial loss on your behalf.
Regarding the end result tear. The system is designed to remove even the last tear through paper. It is not a tear I would be satisfied with. It would be fair to see cam cable clearance once a true good tear is made.
Always enjoy watching your videos Steve. I’m sure some will take this opinion negative but their choice.
Pity you didn’t spend this much time and effort into the bow when he came down with the bow. I don’t agree with airing dirty laundry and rubbishing customers.
Couldn’t agree more! Bagging your customers is shocking customer service!
I don't blame Steven the guy should have bought the bow in person had a professional set the bow up instead trying doing it his self and getting all screwed up and then getting mad when he couldn't tune it himself and trying to be demanding and a ass in the us if you bow a bow online it voids your warranty so you aren't getting any money back and Steve offered to tune it so I say he put a lot effort to help the asshat out and if I was Steven I would refuse to do business with him ever again
He didn't buy the bow from Steve. Internet shoppers get what they deserve.
So why did he refund him? I have bought from this shop on line because it’s a water bag trip and often not open on weekends.
@@kristian_bar probably because of him being a asshat
Ya something that you spend that amount of money on why not go to the shop and have it set up for you than you dont need to worry about shipping fuking up your beautiful bow and buy once cry once buy a good sight and arrow rest i didn't now im crying twice on my pse embark 👍🏼🤠🇨🇦
Lemme just say... THANK YOU... holly crap a LADDER AND TAPE????? I am not worthy
Been putting off building one out of PVC for a while, now to bust out a couple of rungs off a beat up ladder.
That was no where near as a clean bullet hole
A rubbish customer, good work on the video. If your tuning for broadheads I’d definitely continue refining that paper tune. Hope you have a speedy recovery!
Why? Broadheads change your tune anyways….just get it close and broadhead tune, then enjoy the extra time you have.
@@michaelcolthart4006 personal preference. I’ll get that paper tune to bullet holes, and the broad head tuning is shorter. But do what ever works for you.
Did you refund him his money?
Some people are never satisfied.
I really dont get, how a bow company is shipping bows with that issue. Dont they check their product? That shit is expensive. Respectless towards the costumers, thats what that is. Imho
The irony. I now want to buy an elite.
The guy probably dry fired it and just wanted to get another one. It’s interesting that someone can return a bow they’ve been shooting and you have to refund them.
He's been tuning bows for 30 years? Compound bows have only been tunable for about 20 years, before that almost nothing was known about tuning them. Anyone that can tune a compound bow would know that almost every bit of published tuning information available up to about 15 years ago was rubbish.
Needless to say with shit house shipping times usa to aud bows are exposed to hot cold humidity and dry plays heel on strings