Nissan should offer this for the 2022 400z and Nismo Frontier
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- čas přidán 13. 09. 2024
- Nissan needs a halo truck to compete for attention in the ever growing truck market. With all the attention the Titan Warrior concept received the Nissan brand was never able to capitalize on it. The brand knows how to build amazing sports cars with the iconic Z and GTR models but what would happen if Nissan took the truck market by storm with a 400 horse power Frontier.
The 2021 Nissan Frontier is about to drop and adding the Nismo brand with a twin turbo could help make it a huge splash
On todays show Dave takes a look where Nissan could go with the new Nissan 400 z and potential Nismo Frontier.
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I'm definitely buying a 3rd gen Frontier when it gets here I would be interested in a higher HP off road version also.
I would LOVE a 2wd street truck or an AWD
I see an opportunity for them to put out a desert runner truck that competes with the Raptor, TRX, and ZR2, but to offer something that the others do not. If they did a Nismo model, did a nice factory Titan swap with Titan Icon UCA’s and 2.5” remote reservoir shocks and remote reservoir rears, that would be a nice start... the thing that would seal the deal and develop hype would be to put the 3.0TT engine in, but pair it with a 6 speed manual! The closest thing to that in the market would be a manual TRD Tacoma, but those are underpowered. None of the other desert trucks offer a manual trans.
Nissan really needs this Frontier to have at least one detail or option that sets it apart from the competition. Otherwise, I’m afraid all of the journalists will call the Frontier “solid, but 6 years behind schedule”.
I 100% agree and it would be awesome someone over in Europe gtr swapped a navara this idea is like a cheaper version of that idea and more affordable too
On a side note, hopefully fingers crossed, we'll see the frontier on Nov 25, alongside the reveal of an updated terra suv.
All I want is a manual transmission in the Frontier. If it’s mated to a twin turbo I4 diesel or a VK v8 even better
I just sold my travel trailer so sad to say but I don’t really need my XD anymore, I would be interested in trading to a Frontier if it was more Raptor like. I think 400hp desert runner to compete with the Ranger Raptor ( because you know it’s eventually coming to North America’s) would have me giddy as a school girl, I. Wouldn’t be able to get to my favourite dealer ( Chatham Nissan ) fast enough!! Come on Nissan, get a set of nuts and stop teasing with concept trucks and smash your competitors!!
know that there going towards electricfication also money issues i dont think they would waste there money. but vr30 frontier would be cool
Money wouldn't be much of an issue since its a motor they have used for ever,, Nissan being creative well.. Thats the set back
Love the idea and a wonderful concept to put Nissan back on top. Would dominate IMSA - SCCA - BAJA and RALLY ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
Can't fault a fella for dreaming because God knows I've done it too many times to count. But if Nissan does anything wild with the Frontier engine it'll more than likely be a supercharged version of the 3.8L. Less complicated, less expensive, less heat and all the power and torque Nissan would ever be likely to try and squeeze out of the 3.0 twin turbo. And all with a larger displacement number that looks better to truck guys. It could go in everything from the Frontier to a Terra like SUV, the Pahtfinder or even the Titan and Armada as a second engine choice. I forgot to mention that given the VQ40 weighs somewhere around 370 pounds we can estimate the VQ38 would weight just about the same so with supercharger, intercooler and plumbing it would still come in somewhere around 50 pounds less than the almost 490 pound VR30DDTT engine. Less weight and the same power with more linear delivery is always better. The VR30 will likely remain for cars. But there's always a chance that Nissan is contemplating the demise of it's V8 and will pursue current turbo forced induction fashion led by Ford and soon to be followed by Toyota. But I doubt Nissan would put the same engine in a truck that they put in their sports car. Especially when it's a small displacement V6. Sure, one can argue that Ram is doing the same with the TRX and Ford is rumored to be considering the GT500 engine for the Raptor but those are big honking V8's. People are okay with big V8's in their trucks even if the brands cars have the same basic motor. Not so sure a 3.0L V6 would be received the same way.
Now, one thing to consider when talking about a Halo car or truck is that no one is selling a lot of trucks based on the introduction of a Halo truck. All the manufacturers who have one or are making one were already selling a ton of their regular trucks anyway. The success of their garden variety trucks allows them to produce a Halo truck, not the other way around. Ford doesn't need a Raptor and if you look at sales numbers, F-150 sales haven't increased dramatically since the Raptors introduction. Instead, it's just the version of an F-150 roughly 50,000 people a year buy instead of another version of the F-150. Chevy's ZR2 and Toyotas TRD midsizers don't move the needle in and of themselves. They are simply part of brands that were already selling reasonably well in the Colorado and insanely well in the Tacoma. Ram trucks have been gaining market share for years without the TRX and for all the hype don't expect Ram to overtake Chevy on the regular for second place in truck sales because the TRX is coming out. I'm not opposed to Nissan building some crazy version of the Frontier but if for whatever reason the garden variety Frontier doesn't sell then introducing a balls out Nismo version won't change that.
Tim said something to the effect that people don't cross shop vehicles in the nice and tidy categories manufactures like to put them in an auto writers like to judge them by. If a particular truck meets someones needs and is the right price then it gets bought whether that's a mid size or a full size. Where things get squirrelly is when you start to push the price into that crossover region. Put a fifty five thousand dollar mid size truck against a fifty thousand dollar full size truck and ninety five percent of folks are going to buy the full size for less money unless there is some extremely compelling reason to do otherwise. For things I intend to abuse I buy as cheaply as possible and do the necessary mods myself, so there isn't any truck, no matter how well equipped from the factory, I'd pay fifty plus grand for if the purpose of that truck was to take a beating off road. I'm not against Nissan bringing a wild ride to the truck market especially if it helps the basic truck get better but trucks are still just utility vehicles to me. For me, showing off and extreme performance still falls to the world of cars. I'm the one in a hundred who actually would buy the truck without the leather seats or the 12" screen. If the seven speed is actually more reliable then give me that instead of the smoother nine speed. And if tuning the engine twenty horsepower lower means another fifty thousand miles of trouble free service and two more miles per gallon then do that for me as well. On the other hand, if Nissan wanted to give me the truck I could dream up, well, I don't think anyone who wanted and could afford such a vehicle would be disappointed. I guess it's just the difference in what I'd buy with my money versus what I'd buy with someone else's money! Lol.
I just want a dang new frontier, how hard is it for Nissan to just drop the news. Don't care for anything else right now.
I don’t get what’s taking them so long
why don't Nissan bring back the Mid4 II proto in market that car was way ahead of its time.
You have a great imagination. LOL.
Sometimes you just need to dream :-)
Absofu**nknltly! As long as they also have lockers and all the necessary offroad goodiesto go with it. Front and rear lockers, crawl control, and the necessary armour.
Sadly, the way fuel standards are going to be, a twin turbo V6 is possible. If I had to choose, the VK56VD would be my choice of engines. I won't even bother wishing for a manual but it's what I prefer.
Ok so I'd double dip; I'm doing both the V8 and V6TT. The truck market is huge. The more variety the better. There are customers that will spend 60k for a specialty truck. My thought is the Dessert Runner get the V6TT and a Nismo Terra truck going balls out with a manual option, V8, with a space cab even if it's for a year. Nissan needs buzz and this might do it. That's where you could offer options like suspension, a supercharger, bars etc. and make they money in financing.
Why a manual, because Ford isn't offering one. Give it a crawl gear
Great thoughts.. We have ideas on suspension but wanted to see how the basic idea was received
@@NissanPodcast I think Nissan even needs to go as far to bring back the Sunny pick up with a 2.0 turbo with an EV option in the 20k+ range. Maybe base it on the Kicks platform.
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@@NissanPodcast think about the EV tech even more from the Sunny thought.... Nissan could use the LEAF's EV system in a mini truck...and the name Sunny screams environment and friendly/happy
Nissan needs to make a V6 Titan.
You lost me at 50,000+
A Frontier R mode is more likely
That would be the best thing ever. And it's duable!
This I very cool Dave!
I meant this is
Nissan is the best Ryan!
@@joetaylor4096 I’m starting to agree with that hahaha 😂
@@ryanbaertsch7638 yes
@@joetaylor4096 but Porsche is the best!
They should just make Nismo models for all type of Nissan. 2005 was the first Frontier Nismo.
I would never pay that much for a midsize truck that's just nuts. I'm more interested in the torque specs and being able to access that torque at a much lower RPM which I think boosting can help I would be interested in the pro-4x trim having a boosted motor hitting max torque at 2500 instead of 4400 which the 3.8 has. When you look at the twin turbo Navara that thing is hitting its Max torque well under 2,000 RPMs but the horsepower is less than 200 but still has a lot of pulling power torque is what counts on a truck. Straight line acceleration it's not important for me. I don't understand trucks that have 500 horsepower. There's a market for that but it's not really practical.
Hard to rate torque of a petrol to diesel though. Who would have thought people would pay near 100k for a truck but Ford GMC and RAM all have them near that mark. Wait till Ford drops a Ranger Raptor and it’s 60k..Jeeps new v8 Rubicon will be in the 80s
Sadly we are all being out priced with mew trucks
@@NissanPodcast another example is the petrol 2.3 that's used in the US based Ranger. That thing hits its torque at a much lower RPM and has decent tow ratings. Like I said boosting should help with torque regardless if it's diesel or gas. Nissan really needs to get serious about putting a boosted motor in the frontier just to future-proof it. Once Ford puts the 2.7 in the Bronco based Ranger it's all over.
@@HiPlains1 I’ve done some testing with the 2.3 and it’s fun around 2k but the drop off is huge around 3k
Either way boosting is the future of motors unless it’s EV. My main idea with this video was to show Nissans pattern of frugalness and how they could mix and match to give them a sports car and truck to gather new fans of the brand
@@NissanPodcast yes the displacement on the 2.3 does have its limitations but I reckon they're going to put that 2.7 at some point and that's really going to be a monster. I think if Nissan uses that 3.0 and and does it right it should be a stronger solution then ford's 2.3 I hope you're right and they do something like that. Because I'm pretty much given up on Nissan or Toyota bringing in their diesels.
If they do I wouldn't be surprised if its the 3.0T.
I hope it's that too. TWIN TURBO FRONTIER!
It’d be a dream come true but it’s a looong shot and I don’t think it will happen. If anything, I see the 2.0L VC turbo being a more likely second engine option.
I'm waiting for an electric nissan frontier to come out as we slowly move from ICE engines. They are going to have alot of competition in just a short while with all these electric trucks coming on the market.
Do it lol
I’m more interested in loading up my truck and hauling trash to the dump or maybe head out on the desert or mountains to a remote area with a picnic lunch than any high performance race truck. I also use my truck for dragging roads etc., around the property. It’s a workhorse/recreation truck
Nissan will have a truck for that as well
@@NissanPodcast yeah, I’m thinking the “S” but I would really like to see that m224 with a locker available for any model. That alone is why my current Frontier is a p4x
The 400z is vaporware. They haven’t confirmed anything about the specifics of the engine or when it will be anywhere near production ready. They put the prototype out there but most people don’t realize how much still has to be done to make the prototype ready for showrooms.
Nissan is in real trouble.
They haven’t said anything because they are not ready to let others know their plans.
Nissan is not in that much trouble that’s they can not design and build a car or truck.
This video as mentioned is based on my ideas.. not Nissans future plans
The specifics of the engine are basically known already since it’s already in production for the Infiniti Q50 and Q60. I’d say it’s actually relatively close to production.
@@pieorion883 you would say that and you would be wrong. It isn’t anywhere near production ready. It won’t come out until after the Ariya which doesn’t come out until the fall of 2021. You won’t see 400z cars widely available in showrooms until 2022.
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I don’t think 400hp will be sufficient. Keep just released the 392 rubicon and it’s a matter of time before that makes it into the gladiator.
The frontier needs a v8 option if anything because a supercharger would just make a frontier over 400hp for just over 5k above truck cost.
V8s are dying in trucks that aren’t 2500+
I know gen two Frontier guy like the idea of swapping the 4.0 for the 5.6 but Nissan will never add the option. The motor is too large and power to power the smaller v6 turbo option is a better option for MPG with power.
They had the 5.6 in the pathfinder which is the same chassis as the frontier so I dont think they will do another v8. Plus they already downsized the displacement from 4.0 in the new v6 frontier. Anything is possible though
@@stelter99 yep they did and I’m that SUV it sadly didn’t sell.. fun fact I watched the last v8 pathy run across the line :-)
The new 2021 Nissan Frontier really NEEDS to NOT!!! put that cheep black plastic crap molding on the fenders just keep it metal painted fenders ... plastic makes the truck look like CHEEP CRAP!!!! and we all know it will look like SHIT after the sun beats down on it in 2 to3 years i mean for the price we will pay for this truck come on nissan don't do that!!!!!!