Free Predator 212 performance mods
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- čas přidán 7. 10. 2022
- Free Predator 212 performance mods
In this video, I try and get more performance out of my Predator 212-powered Coleman cc100x minibike with FREE mods!
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universal sprocket hub -
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12 tooth max-torque clutch -
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Predator 212 engine - www.harborfreight.com/65-hp-2...
Carburetor drill bit chart - www.southwestairsports.com/pp...
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This channel is SOOO underrated dude, I wouldn’t be surprised if this episode in particular blows up in the near future.
Thanks man, appreciate it. Thank you for watching the videos !
I agree, I've been really enjoying 66's channel even more than those " big name" sponsor channels.
@@Black66 keep them up sir💓💓💓
yea this is my Jam too man i wonder how that ziptie got on the ground like that lol
He’ll be on @carsandcameras here soon doing collabs with @gopowersports PIN THIS THREAD 🪡
Way stoked to find your channel, keeps me inspired & excited to work on my childhood mini bike. Thank you for the tips, can’t wait to rip down the road again.
I have a 99cc that I'm building up that came with my ct100. Got it up to 42 mph with similar mods. Love the channel.
I have the same for my grandchildren. Locked it down to 12 mph until they are more competent. Then I’ll open it up.
what the mods
I have to agree that this channel is the real deal, the sh-t people actually want and need to see, the way we do it on a budget or no budget...lol. keep the truly genuine content coming !
I love how thorough you are with your process. Your channel is definitely a must for all mini bike owners.
I appreciate that!
one of the best when it comes to mini bike builds
My favorite channels to watch about mini bikes is Royal Jz and black 66 good vid
Thanks for always sharing your tips and tricks. Will definitely try these on my stock 212.. BTW ,great 1 handed filming. I know it ain’t ez😅.. Love your channel. Ride fast.. Ride safe..👍🏼✌🏼
Thank you for taking your time to teach us
I'm agreeing you should have way more feedback and subs on this..good stuff man and gave me something to go ahead and try
Nice video mr black thanks for sharing 👍
Great video. Glad you found a zip tie 😂😂👏💯👽
Maybe a makeshift air scoop over the carb to force even more air through the intake might make a difference. It would be interesting to see if that would work to bring it closer to 45 mph.
This my man he’s the truth boston I got 2 mini bikes cause of this dude real talk
Black 66, this was so surprising i had to share…i put a bone stock predator 224 in my cc100x bike with 12/59 gearing and 15” tires and it went 44.4mph with me first time out. Im 185 pounds. Beast for a stock motor in a tiny bike😄👍😳
Yes! The 224 has some good torque with that 58MM stroke. 👍
Your channels great man keep it up !!!
Thanks!
Great video! Would love to see the head milled, and port and polished.
my first engine, I cut the flange off the stock exhaust, and welded it to a pit bike pipe I cut up and put a pit bike muffler on it... really cheap (and I did put a small rats tail file down it to port match it as much as possible, and rilled the jet out to 1mm, disconnected the "govna" it was still in there but cable tied the lever back the same direction the throttle pulls it, but the cable acted on the throttle itself. it was definitely noticeable where the power picked up. I would love to see the 0-30 times upped to 0-45mph as most of the lower speeds is the clutch engaging. (the best test is from where the clutch fully engages up to somewhere between maximum torque and max power) I now have a CM grind (close to a fire265?) flat top piston, 10/thou gasket, VM22 etc, but yet to test it out fully
This guys channel is the Shiznit! Why am I just now finding it lol!
Great video man!! So advancing the timing is more for helping the acceleration not so much top end? Thx for everything you do sir. We all value your time and knowledge
Thanks ! That seems to be right. I've tried timing on a modded motor with the same results.
Do the porting on the head, belt sand the head surface and lap it flat to raise the compression, add a pipe (you could make one at home using scrap and the original flange) Cut half the flywheel fan blades off and throw away the air filter box.
Really cool video!!
Thanks!
This is awesome
shim the valves and do lash, port and polish and deck the head, polish the rod, take the filter plastic cover off, make muffler more free flowing by putting bigger pipe in between flange and box, run distilled alcohol with bigger jet
It's crazy the speeds he gets with these bikes. I drive offroad only, and a centrifugal clutch wouldn't last 5 minutes with the kind of gearing he's running. 35mph is a good top speed with a moded 212 setup with offroad gearing. Even with a torque converter, 35 isn't bad.
The muffler flow is terrible. Use a dremel to open the inlet. Remove the spark arrester.
Mill the head .0006 for compression. Check that the throttle stop screw is set to allow the carb to open fully. Remove every other fan blade to reduce resistance. Use a discarded pop (soda) can to make a thin head gasket.
Don’t forget safety 3rd or 4th. I forgot which.
I know this is a little off topic but I was wondering if you knew about the stock carburetor float if they weren't level for instance I built up predator and it was running fine with the stock carburetor with a jet kit once I mounted it to my race kart frame at a 15° mount it floods the carburetor great video again!!!
What app is he using?
You can also take the resonator off the exhaust and take a drill bit to increase the size of the holes in the stock exhaust , as far as basic any one can do it mods
Yes, I bet that would make a big difference.
Stange, I had the exact same build, stock predator 212 on a CC100x frame and I could only ever hit 28mph top speed, but the governor zip tie brought me up to about 37-38
yea i did 30 with the stock motor but with the zip tied govenor i did 36
@@reivax6368 I don't understand why people don't just shorten the spring or swap mounting holes (or drill a new one) and wind the stop out, that way it still limits the revs using the governor rather than bouncing valves
Removing the throttle stop screw is another free mod
Would have been interesting to see just air filter removed before the re-jet.
You can port match the intake and exhaust. And polish the exhaust port.
I would love to see you post a video of the Coleman CC100X what they stage 1 212 hemi predator and then a stage 2 Governor removal and all that good stuff you are the best love your videos I just I just got my CC100X I haven't wrote it yet going to throw some Sun f knobbies and I ordered a 65t sprocket and I ordered a stage 1 kit and I plan on doing the governor bypass like you did.
Thanks! Not sure if you have seen the CC100x playlist but I have some stuff on there with the 212 and the Hemi head. czcams.com/video/UUycm0CSavo/video.html
Yeah I've seen the CC100X playlist and the pink micro bike I should have watched the pink micro bikes videos first I didn't know you can stage two the Coleman 98cc.
Awsome video bud! Gotta love the free budget mods!! What gear ratio did u have on the bike?
Thanks! 12/59
Would of been nice to see a test with and without a filter, after you drilled the jet
Polish the rod like you found had been done on the ghost rod
I drilled holes in my stock exhaust, definitely sounded cool but not obnoxiously loud
Not sure if it did anything, but I “ported” the stock muffler with a dremel where it connects to the engine. There is quite a step there. Stuffed a small rag in first to keep the filings out of the muffler.
I have a gasket match video on tbe channel .
add a short header and do a comparison video, watch it fly. also for free mods:
Port & polish head, lap valves, maybe mill head for more compression.
Gas port piston to reduce blow-by.
Port carburetor to larger diameter.
Drill a bunch of holes in muffler.
I hear what your saying. Check out the $100 Predator build. I did exactly what your saying and the bike gained quite a bit of speed. czcams.com/video/m8aOLmuzlE8/video.html
Should do some port and polishing
Hey can you start doing different clutches like the Hillard clutch and other clutches like that
Nice
Cool !!!
This really will be worth a few minutes on kids go kart. Teach him a thing or 2 and pass along some knowledge. Anyway you post up a link to that chart you used? Sure would be appreciated. Thanks for video.
I linked the chart in the description. Thanks for watching the videos!
Try tire pressure and mabey a gear change if you have some laying around. Also you can port and polish air tunnes and shave the head
Check out the cc100x playlist for many combos with this bike. Gear ratios, engine swaps, head swaps, etc
czcams.com/video/WFEVoc_an8Y/video.html
If you zip tie the governor can it harm the motor
I wish I understood how the gearing ratios effect the bike and wish I knew about advancing the timing and what it does
Check out this video czcams.com/video/xV8i59aGUao/video.html
yea that zip tie just poped outta no where nice try mR Black66
Yes! it was just sitting over there...LOL
Had a buddy that removed every other fin on the blower , not sure if it actually helped
Won't the engine blow with the governor ziptied? Or does it still engage?
Even the initial run without measuring the speed, the changes in speed is quite apparent after the mod
My question is why not just record times going opposite direction? Just curious and I run a torque converter and recommend it for heavier riders. Nice video
Thanks, because by changing the direction adds variables. It could be slightly up hill or down hill compared to the original direction. I try and keep the variables to a minimum . That way the test are as accurate as possible.
mine only goes 30 with the a exhaust air intake and new jet and the zip tie bypass and screw
What size was the drill bit?
I was gonna say how does he have that type of speed compared to me and I got my answer as soon as I saw that gearing
Do you know if a 301 will fit on a Coleman cc100x
I tried the zip tie thing and it ruined the spring and messed up the throttle
Black66. 1.3 stamped ratio rockers
No. Free mods.
What is the front and rear tooth counts on the gears?
@black66 so will I be safe zip tying the governor. And do what you did expect add a pipe
Check out the $100 Predator build video! czcams.com/video/m8aOLmuzlE8/video.html
i put the stage 1 kit and my bike only hits 30 then dies if i got faster it hit 45 stock now only 30
Can u do one on a stock 212 with the jet at a 31 and a round air filter maybe we race stock 212 but rules are 31 jet has to have functioning governor 87 pump gas etc
Is it normal for my bike to vibrate a lot on the handlebars ?
What gearing do you recommend for cc100x with stock 212 on road and off road . I got the bike as parts with no rear sproket
Check out this video. I was running the stock 75-tooth rear sprocket and a 12-tooth clutch. The bike had a lot of low-end power and plenty of top speed. That could be good gear for you if you're using the bike off-road on hills and trails. A little smaller rear gear might not hurt if you want a little more top speed. czcams.com/video/tj8XxfvMbRE/video.html
Just curious, what phone app are you using to do the tracking in this video? Looks like something that would be handy in several situations. Thanks, Bill
I use digiHUD on the phone for top speed and a Dragy performance meter for 0 to 30
@@Black66 thanks for the info. I'll check them out.
Hello I have a question, recently I bought a stage 1 kit as well as a predator 212 carburetor and installed it on my Coleman bt200x mini bike but I can’t get my mini bike to idle fine. It appears it’s too lean even though I installed a bigger jet and e tube and twisted the idle screw. Would a bigger pilot jet fix the issue? Can someone pls help me thanks.
Sounds to me as if something didn’t seat correctly. Also check for air leaks around intake. Use brake cleaner and spray the junctions. If rpms change there’s your leak.
what rpm is the factory predator 212cc flywheel is rated at? I want to add a electric start but want to remove the gov. to rev higher.
The stock flywheels have a glued-on magnet. They Arnt rated much past the governed RPM. Officially you should change out the wheel if you remove the governor. With that being said I have used one on a pretty much stock engine without the governor with no problems.
how much links are on your chain i had a 140 link chain but it broke because it was to loose
Once I drilled the jet on my 212 it won’t move even at WOT just sits with no power won’t stay idle will just die
Yes, if you drill out the jet too big it won't run. Or will run poorly.
Does the torque converter swap make it faster than the clutch setup?
It really depends on the setup. Check out the playlist on the channel. We have many clutch VS torque converter videos czcams.com/video/jHf9yJmaZLA/video.html
how to adjust the mixture screw on stock carb it says online tightening it makes it RICH loosening it makes it LEAN correct ??
Yes, correct running these engines lean isn’t much of a probelm
lol ive got a stock 212 and it doesnt even go that fast stock. i guess my thumb throttle makes it slower idk
Check out the video of the Predator free mods. It was even faster than that czcams.com/video/y3pl7KiSTmY/video.html
What’s your gearing on this bike? I have a Motovox with a 196cf Honda clone that I’m trying to get more speed out of.
Check out the Coleman cc100x playlist for many gear ratios and combos with this bike. czcams.com/video/WFEVoc_an8Y/video.html
What was the frist mega moto shown?
Check out the Mega Moto playlist. I show the entire build step by step of the first Mega Moto on the channel. czcams.com/video/VbcpA0jdSIw/video.html
How far on a charge are you getting on the electric mini bike ?
Range test video coming soon. We will find out .
I zip tied the governor, and there is no difference
For the governor I just did a full removal
What’s the app you use to get 0-30 mph and top speed?
I use a Dragy performance meter for 0 to 30 and digiHUD on the phone for top speed.
What size socket to remove flywheel?
19mm
What speedometer app do you have?
I use digiHUD on the phone along with the camera GPS for top speed and a Dragy performance meter for 0 to 30 .
Is zip tieing the Governor safe , long term?
As long as you don't upgrade the valve springs and don't stay in high rpms for too long you should be fine but if your going to run it long term you should definitely upgrade to a billet rod aluminum flywheel 26lb valve springs
I’m building a mini bike and I’m having trouble getting the shaft bolt off my 212cc ghost. Is there a certain way to get it off? Or do you use a impact drill?
Impact works best other wise you need to lock the flywheel somehow. Takes 19mm on most of them.
@@mikesbarn1858 I bought a impact drill and I got the bolt out. Thanks for the help
be careful with the governor, if you rev too high the flywheel may detonate
Check out the predator 224 playlist. czcams.com/video/SaxCCoqJ0RU/video.html
I'm not sure which forum had a post about this, and these were kart racing guys who wring these things all the way out, but a guy was looking for anyone who could show a destroyed stock flywheel, and all it generated was like 3 posts about billet flywheels that cracked.
What gears are you running
The bike has had many gear ratios and engine set ups. Check out the cc100x playlist czcams.com/video/WFEVoc_an8Y/video.html
What would happen if I were too remove the entire governor spring that you zip tied
I also just got my first frame so I’m really scared of deleting the governor in the 224 I’m going to get
Its easy to do. Check out the 224 playlist and the governor removal videos on the channel. czcams.com/video/1AgrkPH8980/video.html
@@Black66 I just checked it out and what does the oil sensor do as well as the rope you put inside of it
do you think I would need to get a new rod as well?
Can i ask which predater,has the hemi? Ohv, right.?😊
Ohv means over head valve. You need to look at the valve cover. Look up how to determine hemi or non hemi predator engine. And you will get results
I have a question so ive been wanting to buy this bike but idk if i would fit in it im 5’9 and im 120 pounds do you think this is good for me?
If you use something like GPS universal front suspension forks then you can move the handle bars forward. Then it would be an even better fit.
@@Black66 okay im going to look up to that thank you!
@@Black66 oh you have a video of one im going to watch that one👍
Are you using the original chain?
RLV gold on Black. Check out the CC100X playlist for all the different combos with this bike. czcams.com/video/WFEVoc_an8Y/video.html
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how does this go 37 stock mines goes 15-20 😂
It doesnt have a jackshaft setup
So I'm getting ready to build my razor it's an old one it doesn't have the shock in the back I'm going to use six of the stock batteries and buy the 72 volt system I'm going to weld a bracket system. where two of the batteries go above the back tire below the seat I know it's going to be heavy and I know it's not going to go as far as the lipo and for the batteries are going to go for they normally are supposed to I just don't have the money right now for a nice battery any reason why this wouldn't work? I have a mini bike and a other razor that I'm not going to use if you'd be interested in them let me know I live in Bakersfield California probably not far from you
Sounds like a fun build! 72 volts should work out awesome on that small bike. I love the razor but I live in AZ.
my 212 goes 23 stock 😂
We still counting? Third
What speedometer app do you have
I'm using digiHUD along with the phone GPS for top speed and a Dragy performance meter for 0 to 30
What is the name of the 0 to 30 app
I'm using a Dragy performance meter for 0 to 30
@@Black66 is it on the App Store
@@ethanlambert8393 Its an actual device you carry on the bike or in your pocket. With an app for the phone. You can get one on Amazon or ebay .
I chopped up the muffler and put a sock as the airfilter on mine do that to
Where do you live? It is beautiful out there.
Kingman AZ
@@Black66 haha thought i recognized the background, grew up in Havasu
Mine only goes like 15 mph./ how many foot lbs.
Ft pounds on what?
@@mikesbarn1858 Can’t remember about the foot lbs. probably fly wheel
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