Apple Just Opened Up To Retro Game Emulators? Well...

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  • čas přidán 10. 05. 2024
  • Over the weekend Apple made changes to their guidelines that seemed to show a huge win for emulation as emulators were now approved for the iOS App Store. After looking through the text however it looks like things are not as clear as we were hoping.
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Komentáře • 319

  • @Simorgh57
    @Simorgh57 Před měsícem +124

    Apple’s App Store is allowing companies like Nintendo, Sony, etc to use their own proprietary emulators, so like in Nintendo’s case they can now put all their NSO apps(NES,SNES,GB,GBA,N64,Genesis) onto all smart devices and Sony can put all their classic PS1-PS3 and PSP/VITA games using their ps+ service

    • @GreenBlueWalkthrough
      @GreenBlueWalkthrough Před měsícem +1

      Also for free and games an emulator can get lisncing for like my Funkey handhald shipped with a dozen or so games that the small EU company could get... So yeah it can happen and man does sega and ateri do it alot.

    • @loonieDMighty
      @loonieDMighty Před měsícem +3

      Games would probably be ala carte purchase rather than a subscription service since apple charges a fee per game( the reason why X-cloud and ge- force experience are not available in the apple app store).

    • @hivemind8817
      @hivemind8817 Před měsícem +1

      Nah that already existed before. Atari has had an AppStore app for like a decade.

    • @hivemind8817
      @hivemind8817 Před měsícem

      @@Hazeman. I can still download everything off the internet and use it. It’s really not any harder to pirate games on Suyu than it was on yuzu.

    • @ZW_Zacattack99
      @ZW_Zacattack99 Před měsícem +2

      I don’t see that happening.

  • @TheTechOrc
    @TheTechOrc Před měsícem +17

    iOS apps can hook into the Files app on the phone to load roms.

  • @cayder7485
    @cayder7485 Před měsícem +104

    They not gon let us win this easy

    • @Matanumi
      @Matanumi Před měsícem +14

      The better question is why are people emulating with Apple?
      This is all androis world LOL

    • @__BlacklotuS__
      @__BlacklotuS__ Před měsícem

      Being a thief isn't a win

    • @Min4617_
      @Min4617_ Před měsícem

      @@Matanumiall in one, people aren’t gonna get an android solely for emulation

    • @Min4617_
      @Min4617_ Před měsícem +9

      @@__BlacklotuS__ theif for what? Downloading games that haven’t been sold in 30 years? The D riding for Nintendo is crazy

    • @CarlitosFlaco
      @CarlitosFlaco Před 27 dny

      @@__BlacklotuS__no reply back what happened u scared

  • @seanoconnor5473
    @seanoconnor5473 Před měsícem +98

    As an Apple user, I knew it was too good to be true.

    • @disastermaster1413
      @disastermaster1413 Před měsícem +7

      You can get emulators on a mac but not any iPad or iPhone.

    • @Hamood113
      @Hamood113 Před měsícem

      @@disastermaster1413yeah you can. Just have to get it from an external store and renew it every 7 days, which is annoying.

    • @kennypowers1945
      @kennypowers1945 Před měsícem +1

      @@disastermaster1413Mac isn’t iOS and is open sourced.

    • @davidpalmer5967
      @davidpalmer5967 Před měsícem +3

      That is Stupid by Apple
      Double Standards

    • @Nobbie248
      @Nobbie248 Před měsícem +8

      Get a real phone 📱

  • @_SYDGAMING_
    @_SYDGAMING_ Před měsícem +16

    I can see this working well for a game like shantae advance. When it's realeased way forward could partner with a emulator to get the game on iOS. Especially since there going to be giving people the rom too to slap into emulators from what I heard

    • @HKT-4300
      @HKT-4300 Před měsícem

      There was nothing stopping them from doing that before though, a rom being officially distributed with an emulation wrapper has been done hundreds of times on both iOS and Android

    • @_SYDGAMING_
      @_SYDGAMING_ Před měsícem +1

      @@HKT-4300 yeah but as a publicity stunt it could be a good idea since there distributing the rom in a .gba file already

  • @Silverdragon98
    @Silverdragon98 Před měsícem +23

    People need to specify that 'Emulation is legal' in the USA. This is not necessarily true for other regions of the world.

    • @loon1994
      @loon1994 Před měsícem +17

      That's a myth by big earth to sell airplane tickets

    • @damian9303
      @damian9303 Před měsícem +1

      Obviously when there are bootlegged copies of those same western games being sold in the ‘other regions of the world’ you speak of.

    • @BriarLeaf00
      @BriarLeaf00 Před měsícem +4

      ​@@loon1994LOL "big earth" 😂

    • @michaelhanson5773
      @michaelhanson5773 Před měsícem

      Its not legal in the US if you have to use IP of the original manufacturer and dont have permission/rights to do so. Use of bios or source code from sony, nintendo, etc to make an emulator makes it no longer legal without permission. There is a reason why some emulators and the makers of them want to stay as far away from things kike source code or bios stuff from the system they emulate...

  • @lorumipsum1129
    @lorumipsum1129 Před 27 dny +6

    Emulators are showing up on iOS. A gba emulator called Igbo was uploaded a few hours ago

  • @LadyMaria128
    @LadyMaria128 Před měsícem +57

    Whether or not we weren't allowed to emulate you all know we were going to do it

    • @Hazeman.
      @Hazeman. Před měsícem +6

      I'm supporting emulation but not supporting piracy. So I'm truly loved Suyu's developer because they didn't enable their Suyu to have any pirating capabilities unlike Yuzu. Suyu purely for dumping purchased games ❤❤❤

    • @GoofyPoptart
      @GoofyPoptart Před měsícem +15

      ​@@Hazeman.Grow a set of ball's and pirate

    • @kennypowers1945
      @kennypowers1945 Před měsícem

      @@GoofyPoptartright lol they are the same thing

    • @user-sn8zx5mv1x
      @user-sn8zx5mv1x Před měsícem +4

      @@Hazeman. Sure, Nintendo Switch shouldn't be pirated since it's still a current console. But it really shouldn't matter on anything 7th gen or older in my opinion.

    • @Hazeman.
      @Hazeman. Před měsícem

      @@user-sn8zx5mv1x ok2, I mostly agree with you. Current console supposedly forbidden to pirate. But previous emulations allowing naughty gamers using their emulation for pirating ☠

  • @9999_HP
    @9999_HP Před měsícem +29

    I can see Nintendo putting their NSO emulator apps for an additional subscription fee that Apple takes a cut of.

    • @notmousse
      @notmousse Před měsícem +4

      I wouldn't mind Apple customers being fleeced.

    • @kennypowers1945
      @kennypowers1945 Před měsícem +8

      @@notmousseanyone paying for Nintendo games anywhere is getting fleeced lol. Pirate them all

    • @ZW_Zacattack99
      @ZW_Zacattack99 Před měsícem +1

      Why would they want to do that?

    • @damian9303
      @damian9303 Před měsícem

      Like as part of a partnership with Apple Arcade?

    • @BriarLeaf00
      @BriarLeaf00 Před měsícem

      That literally makes no sense as selling hardware is a cornerstone of Nintendos business model. Like, maybe Mario Odyssey will show up on the Xbox? Or maybe it definitely won't. And Nintendo has dipped thier feet into the mobile market simply because it's full of rubes willing to pay big bucks for low effort trash.

  • @RealAres7
    @RealAres7 Před 27 dny +3

    Apple uploaded the first emulator on the platform called igba a gba emulator which can play with gba files (I was playing sonic advanced)

  • @goat9295
    @goat9295 Před 23 dny +12

    Delta emulator is fully supported now and on the app store

  • @tboatrig
    @tboatrig Před měsícem +3

    2:39 The PPSSPP Dev is misquoting the announcement. It doesn't say 'must' it says 'may'... To be fair he is much more invested than I am and it would be really easy to assume malintent from Apple here.

  • @ZaCaptain1229
    @ZaCaptain1229 Před měsícem +2

    To me this sounds more like something like a Sega Genesis Collection can exist in the app store as opposed to something like Gens

  • @blendernoob64
    @blendernoob64 Před měsícem

    I assumed that we would be importing roms and bios files through the file browser. You can download stuff through safari and other browsers and bring them into the file browser, and you can open those files in stuff like word or acrobat for iOS. Nothing in the verbiage says you can’t bring stuff outside of the app, just how files are restricted when downloading from within the app.

  • @OneeBaka1337
    @OneeBaka1337 Před měsícem +1

    i mean.. doesnt my iphone already allow apps user accessible space? I swear when I plug my iphone into itunes theres parts that allow users to transfer files between apps. We use to do it for free ringtones. Unless thats been chopped awhile ago

  • @ChristopherToro
    @ChristopherToro Před měsícem +4

    I will continue to emulate and pirate and show my grand kids how to do it to. 👍

  • @Hako_exe
    @Hako_exe Před měsícem

    Jon when are we gonna get a video of your retro set up and studio set up?

  • @cesar_otoniel
    @cesar_otoniel Před měsícem

    I was wondering if this would open the floodgates to VMs in your iphone.

  • @kurtg5405
    @kurtg5405 Před měsícem +2

    Apple could help themselves greatly in two ways:
    - Allow the equivalent of .apk files to be loaded outside of the app store (with a caution)
    - Have the option of an on-screen navigation bar like android.
    (i know both are possible with jailbreaking but you shouldn't have to do that to get that functionality)

  • @ppfclark
    @ppfclark Před měsícem +2

    I don't see why you could place your "legal" backups in a Google drive and download them to your Apple device. I can do that now, there just isn't anything that can play them.

  • @notmousse
    @notmousse Před měsícem +17

    Apple being dishonest? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you!

    • @hooky17
      @hooky17 Před měsícem

      In their defence (which I’m loathe to do) where’s the dishonesty here? There terms are clear. If the mainstream media have interpreted it a different way for a headline that’s on them

    • @notmousse
      @notmousse Před měsícem

      No, the terms are written by lawyers. The reporters may be acting dishonestly on behalf of Apple, but I'm not about to afford Apple the benefit of the doubt.

    • @hooky17
      @hooky17 Před měsícem

      @@notmousse but again. What’s dishonest here?

    • @notmousse
      @notmousse Před měsícem

      @@hooky17 Apple's lawyers, probably the reporters as well. There's always the chance the reporters are just too stupid/lazy to understand they're not telling the whole truth.

    • @cbgg1585
      @cbgg1585 Před měsícem

      @@notmousseWhether you give them the benefit of the doubt or not, they won’t give a $hit. They are still worth 3 trillion dollars and they still pay me yearly dividends. 🤣🤣😂
      I still get paid and they still profit. I don’t give 2 f*cks if you call them liars.
      You wish you were debt free like me and a get paid by these megacorps, hence receive a lick in the billion/trillion dollar ice cream.

  • @OneeBaka1337
    @OneeBaka1337 Před měsícem

    Or i mean i can have the app look at my files (which is allowed) and couldnt the app just see the rom that I put into files? I have gamecube iso's saved in my files on my iphone.

  • @Ferguz999
    @Ferguz999 Před měsícem

    Konami did that, Castlevania SOTN is emulated they did 2 or 3 changes for the menu but the game is the same even aspect ratio. So I think isn’t new but now is public info

  • @0x8badbeef
    @0x8badbeef Před měsícem +1

    Yeah the timing of this has to do with the lawsuit. It will look great on paper. But expect much friction on its implementation (if the right-to-repair has demonstrated). The FTC case is about a wall garden. It is not a wall-garden if it is gated.

  • @yperokeanios
    @yperokeanios Před měsícem +1

    8:20 M series aren’t designed to operate on an iPhone and execute tasks such as “capture a raw image by using the main camera sensor” and “make a sim call by using as little power from the small battery as possible”. Only A series can handle phone stuff. (Spoiler, they’re pretty much the same thing minus the special operations mentioned above) So no, we don’t want to see an M series chip on an iPhone because it would render it a pointless battery drainer brick.

  • @jan14999
    @jan14999 Před měsícem +4

    Imagine Apple allowing Emu-apps and Nintendon't are suing them. This should go epic!

    • @AdamAnouer
      @AdamAnouer Před měsícem +2

      I think Epic would like to take you up on that bet.

    • @AdamAnouer
      @AdamAnouer Před měsícem +1

      In all seriousness Nintendo wouldn't sue apple for the exact reason listed in the terms and conditions. YOU take responsibility for making sure the apps adhere to the terms of service and appropriate laws. In other words if Nintendo wanted to take legal action, it would 100% fall on the developer and if they dropped a call to apple telling them to remove the App immediately they absolutely would. This is no less blatant then when those guys tried to put Dolphin on Steam.

    • @hooky17
      @hooky17 Před měsícem +1

      Why would Nintendo be suing Apple?

  • @ricardo762
    @ricardo762 Před měsícem +3

    Yeah the only way this would work is if the games are from private developers creating their own indi games.

  • @MachFiveFalcon
    @MachFiveFalcon Před měsícem +2

    Sideloading enabled worldwide like in the EU is the only real way emulation will be on iPhones imo.

  • @theo5675
    @theo5675 Před 26 dny +1

    Emulators are available now

  • @ironbru1986
    @ironbru1986 Před měsícem +10

    You mentioned Apple finally going to USB-C on iPhone due to regulators, the thing is it didn't change a thing at all.
    Apple in their infinite stupidity decided to do exactly what they did with the Lightning connector on iPhone and locked it down to USB 2 speeds.
    Yes you read that right, a phone that can cost up to nearly 2 grand depended on the model and storage size only has USB 2 speeds in 2024...

    • @luisdaa
      @luisdaa Před 26 dny

      Who transfers data using a wire in 2024?

    • @Unexpectedstuff
      @Unexpectedstuff Před 26 dny

      @@luisdaa 2,5 people who actually shoot video on the phone. But if you’re shooting video on that thing - you’d be better off with pro model which has usb 3.0 speeds (you’d better off with a normal camera probable, but, you know, different strokes…)

  • @AdamAnouer
    @AdamAnouer Před měsícem +4

    Yeah I wouldn't count on it being as much as a win as you'd think as all they're really doing in this case is disclaiming any legal responsibility for what developers put on their store, but all that means is the developers themselves will be held legally accountable for what's posted on their store. So if say a company Nintendo wanted to file a DMCA against an emulator or push legal action against it's creator, they absolutely could.

    • @neonswift
      @neonswift Před měsícem +1

      Yeah but this is the same as any emulator existing on any platform currently. I'm not really sure why everyone thinks this is a fast one... since when were loading files in an app known as "downloading software". Its never been called that. This in theory, based on the language they've used to a requirement on links the app itself directly downloads, which is no different to their usual scrutiny over links to external payment systems. All links in apps submitted for app store approval get any external links looked at.

    • @AdamAnouer
      @AdamAnouer Před měsícem +1

      @@neonswift Agreed it's really silly. Apple are basically saying feel free to develop and distribute apps at your own discretion but we won't be held accountable for it. It'll be interesting to see if any get the green light without getting taken down like PSPP which Sony haven't gone after but I wouldn't get my hopes up.

  • @DylanDurdle
    @DylanDurdle Před měsícem +1

    Sounds like they are just opening the door to for companies like Atari to publish an official app to play their old games, since they would own the rights for their games. I already thought there were legal emulators with download of roms. Thinking explicitly of iarcade where you could buy or subscribe to downloading roms.

  • @gumbyx84
    @gumbyx84 Před měsícem +4

    How does line about "downloadable software" throw any of this into question? If they don't link to BIOS or game archives (ROMs or disc images) then the emulator fall foul of that "rule". PPSSPP devs are correct that it's unclear, but you can't just jump to conclusions that Apple is "pulling a fast one". This is something that needs to be brought to people's attend, but you frame this news as competently negative. Really thought better of you based on how you've handled things like this in the past.

    • @AdamAnouer
      @AdamAnouer Před měsícem +5

      It's not pulling a fast one though, it's actually pretty transparent what apple are doing. Their terms state it's the developer who accept legal responsibility for what they put on the store and Apple reserve the right to remove it at any point under their discretion. What that means is, if the developer put an emulator on the store and Nintendo or Sony wanted to take legal action then that would all fall on the developer but more likely Apple would just remove such an app at Nintendo's request.

    • @Axisjampa
      @Axisjampa Před měsícem

      Let me guess, you are an Apple fan, right?

  • @SylvesterAshcroft88
    @SylvesterAshcroft88 Před měsícem +1

    Sega already released Sonic Genesis on IOS so it's possible.

  • @duhmez
    @duhmez Před měsícem +1

    Apple is not puling a fast one. If soene wants to put up an emulator, they can do it as longa s they have rights to the roms they also include. There could be a rom marketplace fromoffial licensed roms.

  • @luqnotperfect
    @luqnotperfect Před měsícem +246

    emulation is legal, but almost none use it in a legal way.

    • @NecroBanana
      @NecroBanana Před měsícem +125

      No point in following the law when 90% of retro games catalogues are not accessible in any meaningful way anymore.

    • @christianr.5868
      @christianr.5868 Před měsícem +47

      @@NecroBananathis is true, Wii U games and bellow were cut off from making Nintendo any more money and the only legal way to get them now is to get them third party. They lose nothing from those games being pirated

    • @Yoshizuyuner
      @Yoshizuyuner Před měsícem +12

      @@NecroBanana your so right my game boy games all vanish overnight somehow by your magic words crazy i know

    • @PoutingTrevor
      @PoutingTrevor Před měsícem +37

      ​@@Yoshizuyuner 🤡

    • @disastermaster1413
      @disastermaster1413 Před měsícem +4

      @@PoutingTrevorI guess you’re not familiar with sarcasm

  • @tboatrig
    @tboatrig Před měsícem +1

    It doesn't say must provide links it says may ... Here is the quote from section 4.7 which is the only section discussing this. "Additionally, retro game console emulator apps can offer to download games. You are responsible for all such software offered in your app, including ensuring that such software complies with these Guidelines and all applicable laws."
    In other words don't link to illegal stuff or else.

  • @james.b.mcgill
    @james.b.mcgill Před měsícem +5

    Does Apple do anything in good faith?

    • @AdamAnouer
      @AdamAnouer Před měsícem +4

      Not at all, the reason they're doing it is because legally accountable for what these developers try to put on their store. If any dumbass tries to put say a GBA emulator on an Iphone, Nintendo could file a DMCA instantly and it'd still get taken down because it's the developer who's accountable.

    • @Giowilldestroyyou
      @Giowilldestroyyou Před měsícem +4

      No company does anything in good faith.

    • @theo5675
      @theo5675 Před 26 dny

      Does the government do anything for its people in good faith even tho they should since the government is supposed to protect the country lol

  • @mitchjames9350
    @mitchjames9350 Před měsícem +1

    That means Microsoft can allow emulators on retail mode for the Series S and X.

  • @usf8272
    @usf8272 Před 28 dny

    When it will be released?

  • @legoteenbuilder
    @legoteenbuilder Před 25 dny +2

    Interesting the people complaining about Apple are people who don’t even use Apple phones

    • @goat9295
      @goat9295 Před 23 dny +2

      That's what I've noticed too. Since I've started using Apple devices again after an 8 year hiatus, I don't think I'm going back. There's very little that Android can offer that's better than iPhone. Not longevity, polish, power, etc. When Apple allows side loading, it's wraps

  • @Downphoenix
    @Downphoenix Před měsícem

    Maybe Apple is trying to do for Emulation what it did for music downloads with iTunes back in the day. Before iTunes, music downloads were strictly pirated through means like Napster and Limewire. I guess they’re trying to get a piece of the pie in the retro market using their financial muscle. It will be interesting to see where this goes.

  • @asfdaew
    @asfdaew Před měsícem +2

    Sadly, even if emulators are allowed, JIT still is disabled for iPhone applications outside of debug mode. The performance will take a major hit. The existing iOS Dolphin emulator is a good example. Such a waste of good hardware.

    • @MrYeet-mz6wu
      @MrYeet-mz6wu Před měsícem +1

      I hope that'll end up changing in the near future. It's a really weird feature to specifically block.

  • @grimmjonog6851
    @grimmjonog6851 Před měsícem +1

    Maybe they are opening the door for Sony

  • @zachtwilightwindwaker596
    @zachtwilightwindwaker596 Před měsícem +1

    I don't think emulation on phones is that good. I guess it's okay if you're playing a simple RPG.
    4:14 I'm thinking of playing that soon. I think I have a rom for that game. Not sure why Juste Belmont has a blue outline. I like the fact that the animated series confirms that that Juste is Richter's grandfather.

    • @dolurosu
      @dolurosu Před měsícem +1

      Are you refering to the touch screen controls? You can usually just connect any bluetooth controller and play like that.
      There are also telescopic controllers which stretch out so you can place the phone in the middle, giving you a format that resembles the GBA or PSP with the screen in the middle.
      Phones have a lot of potential as portable gaming devices.

    • @zachtwilightwindwaker596
      @zachtwilightwindwaker596 Před měsícem

      @@dolurosu Yes. Not exactly ideal for certain games.

  • @JordBlurr
    @JordBlurr Před měsícem +2

    There is more than plenty of crap available, as is, on the App Store. The last thing I want is even much more crap, serving as vectors for potential security breaches, if Apple is forced to open up their platform.
    There’s plenty of other options (phone brands and other portable devices) for people who want emulators, alternative app stores, etc. If that’s not competition, I don’t know what is.
    IMO the DOJ is wasting taxpayer’s money on that lawsuit.
    And, no. I’m not defending Apple. I’m old enough to know full well companies are not my friends. I’m defending the walled garden business model as one more business model option, for those of us who want to have that option for some of our devices. And also, yes. I’m an Android and Linux user, as well. And one of the things I like the most about each platform is that they are not like each other.
    I definitely don’t understand this nonsense of late, where people think that everything has to be for everyone, and everything has to be available everywhere. It reeks of entitlement to me. 🤷‍♂️

  • @noctambule9032
    @noctambule9032 Před 28 dny +1

    Don’t give up hope Brethren’s! We shall find a way to make this work. Focus all your positive energy and pass it onto the Devs, like Goku and the spirit bomb. BELIEVE in the Devs!
    Stand firm and don’t lose your cool. This has to work, I need this to work, this s*** better work cause I’ve been waiting years for it!!!!! Don’t lose your cool!!!!!!!! STAND FIRM DAMN IT!!!!! 💪😅🤪

    • @a.d.sstudioanimation6438
      @a.d.sstudioanimation6438 Před 28 dny

      It'll never work. Keep hoping apple user

    • @abdielruiz6773
      @abdielruiz6773 Před 27 dny

      Their is now a GBA emulator in the App Store

    • @noctambule9032
      @noctambule9032 Před 27 dny +1

      @@abdielruiz6773 No there isn’t. In fact, there is a scam happening with a developer named “Anas Zakarneh” who is passing off 2 GBA apps and 1 3DS app as a legitimate emulator, but they are not. If you would like to pay the $7 for those apps then go ahead but there is nothing on the AppStore right now that is a legitimate emulator of any kind.
      If there was a way to report that person for deceiving people then I would. Unfortunately Apple does not allow the option unless you purchase the fraudulent app first, then dispute it after.

    • @theanimator1639
      @theanimator1639 Před 27 dny

      @@noctambule9032it’s called “Igba” and if it’s a scam then it’s one that works

  • @JEKitchens
    @JEKitchens Před měsícem

    "What are we doing here John?" without direct access to files folders and storage the point is moot and jailbreak is still necessary

  • @Adam-pz7cm
    @Adam-pz7cm Před 20 dny +1

    Don’t know what this guy is talking about emulators and roms are working just fine on the Delta app on iOS. I’m literally playing 2000 super NES games right now.

    • @thegamewin100
      @thegamewin100 Před 17 dny

      N64 has some issues but everything else is perfect

  • @gloriathomas3245
    @gloriathomas3245 Před měsícem +2

    its welcomed change of policy since emulation is already legal

    • @AdamAnouer
      @AdamAnouer Před měsícem +1

      Indeed it is, but will probably be less welcome once you realise Apple is simply shifting legal accountability for these emulators from themselves onto the developers hence they "take responsibility for making sure you adhere to the T&C's and appropriate laws". Only a complete clown would actually think this makes them safe in any manner.

  • @lanedj801
    @lanedj801 Před měsícem +1

    Phones need sd cards. This trend with smaller internal storage and push for the cloud is getting annoying especially when trying to transfer things.

  • @neonswift
    @neonswift Před měsícem +1

    This interpretation makes no sense. They don't limit other apps opening up files you load onto your device manually, so it doesn't make sense they'd do this with emulators. The quote they have mentioned is "links to all downloadable software". This clearly means software the app itself downloads. Why would this ever mean manually loaded files on a device. No one in the past 20 years has referred to transferring files to a device as "downloading". Nor have they referred to loading config files from storage as downloading either.
    Apple also aren't idiots (no matter what people think of them as a company). They know emulators are predominantly not for home brew games, but everything they've included seems more to cover their arses from litigation from the other big companies. What they clearly don't want is for copyrighted BIOS that shouldn't be shared to be downloadable via an app, but I doubt they care about stopping those being loaded on an iPhone and into an app.
    I'm not really sure why everyone thinks this is a fast one. This in theory, based on the language they've used, is a requirement on links the app itself directly downloads, which is no different to their usual scrutiny over links to external payment systems or any other links at that. If you have a link in your app to an external website Apple check these as part of their regular approval process.
    Furthermore, why would this be about opening up the system to other store fronts when this isn't a change regarding store fronts at all. They wouldn't start with emulation as a justification for not being scolded for preventing third party storefronts in their system, if this doesn't change the fact they don't allow storefronts on their system yet anyway. Furthermore, there is no mention in the terms of these downloadable software in these emulators being paid for. If it was something they were suggesting was possible, they'd include a statement about this in their terms payment section.
    People are notoriously bad at interpreting Apple's guidelines, but this doesn't seem like a fast one, it just seems like their usual language you find in their app submission terms. You can often see the loop holes in their wording. Ultimately though this needs to be tested, rather that fear mongering these guys seem to have jumped on.

  • @azenar1894
    @azenar1894 Před měsícem

    Well its the Big Show!!

  • @thedubstepdoge
    @thedubstepdoge Před měsícem

    I guess i’ll just stick to sideloading emulators with altstore then…

  • @gogreengameon2146
    @gogreengameon2146 Před měsícem +6

    Oh my god, Apple has never previously allowed emulators? I never knew this being an Android user. I thought you could always do that on Apple 😂

    • @spangyboi
      @spangyboi Před měsícem

      Yeah it’s the only thing I miss about android. I remember having a Galaxy Y when I was in school playing Pokemon. I recently heard of Deltaios which I’ll look at next time I use my pc

    • @Snortsupportmyfamily
      @Snortsupportmyfamily Před měsícem

      @@spangyboiit sucks that the android phones suck I was going to get the Google fold but it was only 512gb so I got the 1tb iPhone 15 pro max instead what a shame

    • @zerorig
      @zerorig Před měsícem +3

      @@Snortsupportmyfamily folding screens seem like a gimmick, but maybe Apple will try it in 10 years like USB C

    • @Snortsupportmyfamily
      @Snortsupportmyfamily Před měsícem

      @@zerorig the folding screens Samsung made are definitely a gimic that Google fold so nice in person

    • @SilverDreamweaver
      @SilverDreamweaver Před měsícem +2

      ​​@@Snortsupportmyfamily If you think Android phones suck, you've never owned a Galaxy phone post-S10. Or a Google Pixel. Samsung's Galaxy line put the iPhone to shame. But, to each their own.

  • @AnthonySmith-bj9mo
    @AnthonySmith-bj9mo Před měsícem +1

    hi Spawn Wave

  • @viridionwaves
    @viridionwaves Před měsícem +1

    John, you need to clarify that in the US people generally have the right to make backups of purchased media for personal use only. Some can and do backup their own cartridges or games. I do it. I can legally play that rom because it's a backup of my personal copy. So no, not everything these emulators run is illegal if it's not homebrew. By covering the issue the way you did you create an inaccurate impression of what people are able to do.

  • @jamesbrekke8431
    @jamesbrekke8431 Před 27 dny

    If Nintendo decided to expand their Nintendo online service I would absolutely pay more to play their emulators on my phone. I rarely play the emulators they support on my switch. I think that’s the market Apple is trying to open up to.

  • @DJ_Good_News
    @DJ_Good_News Před 28 dny

    If I'm at home, I've got like 200 devices that I can play games on. If I'm away from home, I'm supposed to carry around one of those goofy telescopic controller adapters when it would be easier to just carry a miyoo mini or something more easily pocketable? Hope you folks wanting to play emulators on your phone get everything you've ever wanted no matter what phone you own, but I'll never understand the desire. We already have more convenient ways to do this.

  • @MedalionDS9
    @MedalionDS9 Před měsícem +2

    There are emulators on google play stores... Apple will be ok

  • @theshadowdirector
    @theshadowdirector Před měsícem

    Given all of the recent legal turmoil for some emulators, I just don't think it's worth them pushing to be listed on commercial app stores. They would be better off just waiting and hoping that iOS allows side loading so people in the know can just go and find them.

  • @vidman5000
    @vidman5000 Před měsícem +1

    Welcome to 2016 Apple.

  • @al4xb
    @al4xb Před měsícem +2

    yeahhhh I love emulation!!!!

  • @darkherosolidox
    @darkherosolidox Před 23 dny

    Honestly it sounds like it's more hassle for all these emulators being on the app store is more trouble than it's worth

  • @Retro_Gamer_89
    @Retro_Gamer_89 Před měsícem

    I been doing emulation on my Xbox Series X 😎

  • @2muchjpop
    @2muchjpop Před měsícem

    6:35 world of final fantasy is a game 😂

  • @miguelsantiago2772
    @miguelsantiago2772 Před měsícem +2

    Ive got a better one, Apple doesn't know how emulators work.

  • @James-gj8rn
    @James-gj8rn Před měsícem +2

    I'm never a fan of blatant clickbaiting, it's the one thing i really hate about CZcams (that and Creator Adverts)

    • @notmousse
      @notmousse Před měsícem

      You hate when YTers schill their merch? Or do you mean something else?

    • @James-gj8rn
      @James-gj8rn Před měsícem

      @@notmousse I mean "oh before we continue, i'd like to thank the sponsor for todays video" those kind

    • @notmousse
      @notmousse Před měsícem

      @@James-gj8rn oh live reads. I understand, but they need to eat too.

    • @James-gj8rn
      @James-gj8rn Před měsícem +1

      @@notmousse i understand that completely but it doesn't make it any less annoying for the viewer

  • @tomato3280
    @tomato3280 Před měsícem +1

    did people forget what happened with dolphin

  • @chuganoga1908
    @chuganoga1908 Před 27 dny

    I mean I can already side load these emulators on my phone without jail break but tbh it’s not super convenient. It would just be nice if Apple would just let users have at emulators already. It’s honestly not a big deal for retro emulators to be playable on their devices people will find a way to do it but why should they have to jump through so many hoops at all?

  • @SiirusLee
    @SiirusLee Před 29 dny

    Another reason to stay android, Apple never remove that walled Garden

  • @abnorth2276
    @abnorth2276 Před měsícem

    Well, isn’t roms not software though? I mean you don’t have to provide download links to photos or documents you want to open. Of course you have to provide that yourself, but that is honestly fine by me.

    • @AdamAnouer
      @AdamAnouer Před měsícem

      More or less yeah but that's not what Apple are doing. They're simply making it so the developer of these apps takes accountability for submitting them to the store rather than apple themselves. It's pretty self-evident. I.E: If Nintendo wanted to shutdown an emulator like SNES or GBA they could do it in a heartbeat and Apple wouldn't stop them.

  • @TMGHD272
    @TMGHD272 Před 16 dny

    I mean back in the day apple also made a ps1 emulator so 🤷‍♂️

  • @jeremysonfire3801
    @jeremysonfire3801 Před měsícem

    Is John’s face allowed on the App Store?

  • @tboatrig
    @tboatrig Před měsícem

    Wow, so I guess no one else actually read the source document...?

  • @MikeIsCanadian
    @MikeIsCanadian Před měsícem

    I think this means Microsoft, Sony or Nintendo can release an emulator on iOS with a library of their old games.

  • @HolyHadou
    @HolyHadou Před měsícem

    Technically this could give Nintendo license to actually let some of their older Gameboy and NES and SNES games on iOS. That'll be a good time. I honestly hope Sega just emulates Sega Saturn Virtua Fighter 2 on iOS. I already bought it in my head. Also would repurchase Soul Calibur from Namco Bandai provided they don't pump it full of microtransactions.

    • @1mrcow143
      @1mrcow143 Před měsícem

      I’d be so down for NES and SNES games on iOS

  • @GiftIdeh-cg7id
    @GiftIdeh-cg7id Před 20 dny

    People are gonna find a way to make it free by force and till than I'm sticking to android for emulation

  • @Stormlywing
    @Stormlywing Před měsícem

    Emulator are required to keep past games alive which nintendo just unplug them if they made little to no money
    Not port them over so is gameover

  • @CrapkinsTheBrave
    @CrapkinsTheBrave Před měsícem

    I agree this is just Apple doing what Apple does which is not give a s*** about anybody

  • @cesar_otoniel
    @cesar_otoniel Před měsícem

    As an ocasional developer. I feel the Apple pain. You can't actually even use yout own developed software in a phone you own without APples blessing.

  • @TheKayliedGamerChannel-YouTube

    emulator apple cores?😅

  • @ashproof
    @ashproof Před měsícem

    Their stock has been taking quite the hit. They must be desperate to do something that has been possible on Android for many years.

  • @Darth_Nerd
    @Darth_Nerd Před měsícem +3

    Why is this such a big deal? Emulation is fine! You just can't do current consoles that is where you can get into trouble. If a company wants to remain profitable and continue to make games that you enjoy then you have pay for it. Period! No current games! Retro is perfectly fine!

    • @chuganoga1908
      @chuganoga1908 Před 27 dny +1

      How I see it and how most I know of say is that retail is off the table but if a game isn’t being sold on the market then it’s free game. There’s nothing wrong with that.

    • @johnathanhickman7730
      @johnathanhickman7730 Před 23 dny

      @@chuganoga1908exactly

  • @markhavick7115
    @markhavick7115 Před měsícem +1

    How is this a huge win for emulators? People sensationalize things so much.

  • @chaikagaz
    @chaikagaz Před měsícem +1

    Cant wait to see nintendo lawsuit against apple. Emulators arent illegal but roms are.

    • @gligarguy4010
      @gligarguy4010 Před měsícem

      Did you read the text they provided? Apple themselves will pull an emulator down if it does illegal shit lol
      Seriously, Nintendo has warped some peoples mind on whats okay and whats not legally on emulation

  • @coolioam8137
    @coolioam8137 Před měsícem

    I think playing anything other than a simple game such as Angry Birds is silly on your phone. Anytime I see someone gaming in public, its on a Switch and the rare Steam Deck here or there.

  • @jacksonthomas21
    @jacksonthomas21 Před měsícem

    So they're not actually gonna allow piracy?!?

  • @nintendians
    @nintendians Před měsícem

    kind of obvious for emulators, they can't provide you with roms with it anyway.

  • @HackModNerd
    @HackModNerd Před měsícem

    Shit like this is why I prefer Android over iPhone. I couldn't imagine being told what I can and can't do with my own device.

  • @beezle1976
    @beezle1976 Před měsícem

    Wasnt Apple not allowing emulators because they didnt allow self modifying code, rather than anything specifically to do with emulation?
    That's how it used to be when I was doing iOS development.
    edit: ah, yep, seems I was right. There's a mention of JIT emulation still being in dispute.

  • @nickhummer5775
    @nickhummer5775 Před měsícem +1

    Tell us you are an android user without telling us you are an android user

  • @TylerKhan
    @TylerKhan Před měsícem +1

    honestly why don't publishers work with emulators? Let the emulators be a store front for publishers to sell their old games for like $5? maybe less! money is money and you would probably have an increase in people interested in emulation. If you can't beat the emulators. Join them lol.

    • @MachFiveFalcon
      @MachFiveFalcon Před měsícem +2

      The Nintendo Wii Virtual console was my favorite business model. A wide selection of games to choose from that (usually) were emulated decently for a fair price. No subscription required.

    • @gligarguy4010
      @gligarguy4010 Před měsícem

      @@MachFiveFalcon Now if only people actually supported it, then it wouldnt have been a financial failure and it would still be around today

    • @NoshikiYT
      @NoshikiYT Před měsícem

      @@gligarguy4010exactly

    • @MachFiveFalcon
      @MachFiveFalcon Před měsícem

      @@gligarguy4010 I didn't realize it did that poorly. I get that subscription models are probably a more consistent revenue stream for Nintendo that the "one and done" nature of purchasing older games.

  • @callibor3119
    @callibor3119 Před měsícem

    When people are emulating, people shouldn’t have to browse through pirating sites to own them, but meet new people to trade games and dump them in homebrews and emulators.
    But just like society, there are bad apples making living so much harder than it needs to be that it makes trying to branch out into new ideas all seem illegal, when average people are not looking into breaking the law, but making a new social norm.

    • @callibor3119
      @callibor3119 Před měsícem

      We have corporations wanting to turn this country into a “plutocracy.” A government ran by rich people. Like in South Korea with Samsung.
      That’s not the American way. No ruling over the broader people is the American way. We are collaborators for a brighter future, but with bad apples in society trying to make emulations illegal, and making it seem like we are an inch closer to hacker, we don’t have an outside source to take our eyes away from the internet and help us emulate the law abiding way.
      And we need to figure out how make that source outside of video making.

  • @mightysquish3492
    @mightysquish3492 Před měsícem

    think im just going to stick to pc emulation as corporations are too finnicky for my sanity

  • @archaicrapture
    @archaicrapture Před měsícem

    It's Apple. Of course, it will be half-assed to seem like it's doing something for "everyone".

  • @matts1978
    @matts1978 Před měsícem +2

    I'm happy to see apple trying to catch up with Samsung

  • @BigDigRock
    @BigDigRock Před měsícem

    Not all of us wants open systems that are more susceptible to Malware, I’d rather know my phone works then pretend I’m a hacker!

  • @akalalaimranrp
    @akalalaimranrp Před měsícem

    My Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra does what Appledon't

  • @juiceala
    @juiceala Před měsícem

    Android users are missing out, I FUCKIN' hate Android devices, just to update Crunchyroll on my Nokia Stream Box I had to delete Twitch, Disney+, OSN+ and the Sega Saturn emulator, and now my storage is full once again, Android devices always do that, they eat up your storage and my Nokia Stream Box capacity is 8 GB of storage, cannot be expanded, wth?
    This is why Apple is objectively superior, I never run out of storage on Apple devices, they always somehow shrink my files to save storage, I'm so pissed rn 😡😡