Sly Cooper Series: Greatest Villain? Clockwerk Backstory, Theory and Discussion!
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- Is Clockwerk the greatest villain of the Sly Cooper Series? Clockwerk appeared in Thievius Raccoonus and has cursed the Cooper family for many generations.
Clockwerk was defeated in Sly Cooper 1. Clockwerk's ultimate goal was to get rid of every single Cooper in existence. This villain was known as immortal. He has been spying and hunting every single Cooper for many years.
Clockwerk's parts appeared in Sly Cooper 2 Band of Thieves, where Neyla turned into Clock-La in the end. Carmelita finally destroyed the hate chip in the ending of Sly 2.
In Sly Cooper 4 Thieves in Time, Penelope escapes from prison, and her location is still unknown. Could she have time travelled? Could she be the one who built the metal parts for Clockwerk?
So far no Sly Cooper 5! Sly 4 ended with a cliffhanger, where Sly gets stranded in Ancient Egypt, perhaps at the time in which Slytunkhamen existed. Slytunkhamen is the Cooper who created the Thievius Raccoonus..
Could Clockwerk make a return in Sly Cooper 5 (if it happened)? Could Sly meet Clockwerk in Ancient Egypt, where he was born?
Sly Cooper 1 Thievius Raccoonus Boss Footage: • Sly Cooper & The Thevi... - Hry
Clockwork hates the cooper clan because bob kept stealing his eggs
Damn you Bob!
HA!
i could see that
"that darn giant racoon. i-is that another i will murder them!"
TheFPSKingsGaming makes sense
True XD
Maybe. In Sly 5, you should fight organic Clockwerk as Bob to steal the egg of the owl that terrorizes the land.
I just realized that the Clockwerk is a metaphor. When you are always fueled by jealousy and hatred, especially for someone, you become a shell of your former self. Clockwerk's metal body represents the hollowness of what he once was. And that I can literally last forever.
ok
Good observation.
People says that Bowser is the best villian in gaming but...
THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT CLOCKWERK IS THE BEST ONE
I think that the only reason Clockwerk hated the Cooper Clan was because he was jealous of their abilities and he wanted to be better than them
Giannis Mgr that is actually true according to an online source of the game. He left sly alive to prove a point
Giannis Mgr that is the exact reason sly Said it himself but İ forgot which game İ think it was the second
Sounds about right
"We have no idea why he spared sly"
Yes we do. He says it in the first game. It was to see how well the coopers fair without their book
Yes you are right! I feel there's more to it however. He needs hate, the constant reminder that Sly was alive was juice.
@@VtnVivi No. Clockwerk made it clear why he kept Sly alive. Without the book the Coopers were nothing but he was proven wrong by Sly. Clockwerk was consumed with rage, revenge & jealousy of the Cooper family. Which is why he seeked Immortality. Jealousy can make one do crazy things.
Idk i feel like clockwerk would die if there were no more coopers i mean hatred is the only thing keeping him alive if there's no one around to hate he would probably die
@@alekzander7000 I think that even after dying, he would still be happy knowing that the Cooper line was erased
As far as what made clockwerk so angry, I really like the common theory of: He was in love, and the coopers took that from him. After all, what is the grandest prize for any thief, if not someone's heart?
I think what makes clockwerk so terrifying is that he doesn't have a real origin story. I don't mind if his backstory is revealed but some of the fear would be lost i'd mostly prefer if it was kept a mystery
ie sly coopers joker
@@DragonspineInfiniteZeroif Clockwerk is gonna have a past. It might as well be multiple choice.
@@wolfhurricane897ah I get it
@@gracekim25 glad someone got it.
He scared me so he was a good villain
here is my theory:
what if clockwerk and one of slys ancestors were rivials in love?
lets say that he was just a flower salesman or possibly a gardener. and he fell in love with someone. someone who was a love interest to the ancestor. anyway clockwerk does his best to impress the girl but he was just unable to complete with the Cooper family charm. so the ancestor stole the one thing that he loved. he eventually comes up with a plan to take her back. but something goes wrong and she dies. he then blames the Cooper for her death and gets consumed by anger and hatered and he swears to take away all that the coopers hold dear. just as they took away the one thing that he held dear.
Underated comment
Kinda sounds like a Shredder and Splinter moment
@@AssassinWarrior99 it does
Sound like Count Bleck and Timpani.
I agree that Penelope is the one that gave him his upgrades. Since Clockwork is the only villain that got the best of the Coopers.
However remember that he is a criminal Master Mind... And him being rancor for the loose of a love one does not sound like him...
So according to the Cooper Vault, Sly first ancestor was him Egyptian ancestor ( which teach how to become invisible in the shadows). I believe that Clockwork was alive and organic during the Egyptian period. However I believe that in this time Clockwork might have actually been a sort of Advisor to the Pharoah, however being his back he was cruel and took advantage of People, stealing treasure. However the flowers would meant that the Pharo was dying and since he did not have any heir that would have mean Clockwork would be his successor. This did not look well specially for a special Raccon that might actually been the Pharoh’s bodyguard.
No doubt that Sly ancestor would have to outsmart a thief by becoming one. He stole Clockwork riches making him look like a thief in front of the people, causing the people to overthrown Clockwork and probably be buried alive as a mummy.
After such events Sly ancestor would have take a liking to being a thief and start the family tradition. However this where Penelope interferes, she rescues Clockwork from dying and propose him that she will give him power of immortality and powers far beyond his time. The outraged Clockwork will most likely accept it. No armed with incredible power he will probably slay his rival demanding where he hid his treasure only for Sly Ancestor to not reveal the secret. Through the years Clockwork would follow the Cooper for generations trying to find where the hid his treasure, only for the Cooper to alaways outsmart him, thanks to the Thieviud Raccunus... with time passClockwork finally discovered the existence of said book and since by this time Sly’s father is basically retired so he can raise Sly properly... Clockwork took his chance and attack the Cooper family and turn apart the book, believing that without it the Cooper clan will not again threaten his plans and finally have his revenge...
However you might be wondering, what does Penelope gets out of all of this... Well the same reason as Clockwork, that they can be defeated and broken, not to mention that she gets the satisfaction to have created the only villain no Cooper was able to defeat.
I enjoyed reading!
It made more interesting when Cooper travel back to Egypt and maybe becoming the creator of the Cooper Clan. Creating a cycle.
Penelope helping Clockwerk does make sense since she dislike Cooper in the 4th game. They even mentioned she escaped and become a fugitives
You know how you said clockwork was mad cause of coopers hurt his loved one what about if sly when he landed in Egypt he found clockwork at his wedding attacked him and that's why clockwork is mad at them and it's all sky's fault
Sly trying to get rid of Clockwerk is possible.
VTNVIVI absolutely love this channel and the fact that you are covering these games, please keep making these vids for sly and rachet and clank
but wouldnt all of this create a big fucking time paradox? I mean the logic reason if its sly fault clockwerk is mad, would be to kill his mother before, but idk.
Markis boy *looks at thieves in time* I think sly works on the multiverse theory but could just be me
I like to think that he fought sly's ancestors and lost body parts in the process. Everytime he fought a cooper he would loose a body part and would replace it with steel. I like to ignore the clockwerk easter eggs in sly 4
Yea they were fun Easter eggs but it would’ve been better if they showed his transformation and his organic forms but I understand they did it so we could Identify him as clockwork and not just a normal owl
Probably a good idea considering it makes no sense that he's in prehistoric time and he's waaay smaller then sly plus imagine if le paradox met clockwerk not young but old clockwerk or heck dr.M one would join to destroy the coopers and himself and the other probably rejoin cooper to seek his fortune
Hmm 🤔 I think he only looks different because of the different technology used to make the game 😅
I thought maybe clockwerk was similar to dr. M and could have works with slighten Commen in the first cooper gang. Something could have happened and that is where sly 5 will pick up. There is a big reason Slighten wasn't in sly four. He was probably the most powerful cooper who even mastered invisibility maybe after he and slighten had a fallout Penelope helped him gain immortality. That has to be my guess
You know , I've never thought of it that way . That's a pretty good idea , lol .
We need sly 5.
Indeed!
+VTNVIVI this made my day
8BitSeel and hopefully it won't be as disastrous as sly 4
That comment aged well
still waiting
I just thought of a reason why clockwerk hates the coopers and possibly explains why they only steal from criminals. What if Clockwerk was a normal citizen, maybe even a respected member of society at the time, and it was announced he or even his child was getting married. Then at the wedding, something terrible happened that involved a cooper stealing from the wedding (like taking the wedding ring or the era's equivalent) and somehow either his spouse/child died in the event. That would be plenty good reason to be enraged and I bet that if a cooper was involved they would have seen the error in that and make it a rule amongst his descendants to never EVER steal from noble or innocent people to prevent another Clockwerk from being born.
Sounds interesting. I do believe there's more to his story. Wanting to become the greatest thief known alive? Hunting Coopers for generations? There's something that happened back in ancient Egypt. It could've been a loved one involved, a child or even betrayal, he could've been friends with Slytunkhamen.
I like the thoughtfulness of your idea. It’s pretty cool and would make for a compelling backstory, if only the game didn’t emphasize Clockwerk’s jealousy of the Coopers and his desire to be an unrivaled master thief. I think those two things unnecessarily restrict how deep his potential backstory can be. I honestly think it really is as simple as “Clockwerk just wanted to be better than the Coopers.” That’s it, which I suspect the developers thought would be enough for a game directed at kids.
The scariest thing I can think of is how easy it would of been for clockwerk to win.
If camielta didn’t agree to help.
There would of been no way to damage him in the first place.
Plot convenience, brought to you by any other developer :P
If the Sly Cooper movie resumes production, I'd love to see John Noble, who voiced Scarecrow in Batman Arkham Knight, voice Clockwerk. His voice would fit him so we'll.
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Sounds intresting but how about... robert england, or keith david, whoever would play clockwerk needs to be able to do patient and threatening
Isn't the movie canceled? All the staff members from the studio I think called Rainmaker had left.
Clockwerk was one of the most scariest video game villains I've ever seen.
Going by the theory of Clockwerk possibly having somebody important to him at one point in time, you really need to think about what abilities that each members of the Fiendish Five made them eligible to be in Clockwerk's gang
There's a demolitions expert, possibly needed to excavate or blow open vaults, an enforcer with the responsibility to deal with any interference (with the likely interference coming from the Coopers), there's also a necromancer that can bring back the dead and a machinist whose skill was good enough that an immortal cyborg owl wanted him in his gang.
Looking at all that to me seems to imply that Clockwerk may have had a plan to find somebody that has been long dead, bring them back from the dead and make them immortal by turning them into a machine just like him.
Very cool stuff! I always saw it as him simply hiring people with different talents, ones which would challenge his enemies in different ways.
dude 🤯
Clockwerk got salty
holy fuck...
okay that was amazing. keep up the go-
no, fucking seriously dude, we get bullshit theories on a huge channel like game theory, when you've got this masterpiece?
holy hell, dude, that's awesome
+Coulson Crawford Glad you enjoyed it :D
game theory has amazing theories how dare u insult matpat
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No cusing man but that was cool
I remembered hiding from clockwerk in sly 2 when i was 8years old.. i was so terrifying.. the sounds of there wings and his scream.. holy crap !!!
BOO!
VTNVIVI HAAA!
Not long after clocwerk was defeated we found out about spice being sold in the second game. Spice flowers maybe?
With the cliff hanger at the end of Sly 4: TiT and the likelihood that we will never get a Sly 5 at this point, I think it's quite possible that Sly assumes the role of Slytunkhamen, starts the Thievius Racconus, and eventually finds a way forward in time, possibly with the help of Clockwork or Penelope.
Bootstrap paradox :)
I have a theory: Clockwerk was created by a sorcerer by the time of Slytunkhamen I . This explains his immortality.And he had the purpose of spying and observing Coopers till at one point to destroy the legacy. That's why there where Easter eggs of him in Sly 4, he was observing the Coopers. And he attacked Conner Cooper and took the Theivius Racoonus cause he thought that no book= Sly Cooper can't follow the legacy and everything is over. But he failed.
P.S. Clockwerk MUST be in Sly 5
Even though its never explained why, I have a theory on why Clockwerk hates the coopers: they wronged him. Something tells me back when he was organic thousands of years ago, him and the Cooper clan used to work together. But something happened, like during a big heist, the Cooper that Clockwerk worked with left him behind to be caught, and stole all the credit and wrote Clockwerk out of the heist's history. Basically pulling an Ernesto De La Cruz from Pixar's Coco. Clockwerk never forgave and never forgot. That seems like a very plausible cause for his dedicated hatred. His jealousy came from the Coopers who wronged him living happily and successful while he was alone and forgotten. To be wronged by someone you loved and trusted, and finding out they left you and took credit for all the hard work you both did together. If this is the case, I understand why Clockwerk went insane and tried proving he was the better thief. And he made the Fiendish Five to replace his "old family" with a new one. And Clockwerk is thousands of years old, so he probably had multiple fiendish five groups over the years to help him rival the coopers for millennia
If that's the case, Clockwerk could've just killed Slytunkhamen I and prevent the Cooper line from ever existing.
@@VtnVivi I never said he wanted to kill them, he wanted to rival them and prove he was the better thief. He probably only killed the few Coopers that tried to confront him. Sly's father was killed because Clockwerk wanted the complete Thievious Racoonus book and his father got in his way. He even let sly live to prove a point that he was the better thief
This was my introductions to villains in video games. This is what I inspire to have in my writing. A villain that doesnt have to have a name to be a threat. Someone who's intellect and skill rival that of the best and a willingness to throw that intellect at his goal without hesitation!
In Clockwerk's second phase, cooper asks "you knew my father had a son, so why did you spare me", and he said "so I can show the world without your precious book, your nothing".
But did he do that to all Coopers?
I think the reason Sly was able to beat and destroy Clockwerk was because he had something that his ancestors presumably didn’t have, that being support from law enforcement. Carmelita helped with every final boss battle in the original trilogy (I don’t care about thieves in time), and gave him an edge that was able to finally do away with him. Just a thought
Hmm....
Perfection has no age...
This whole thing can be summed up in one word: Loophole
Also, this means Penelope is the series' true villain.
Personally my theory is that Clockwerk was from the recent past, and was in fact a friend-turned-rival of Sly's father. Clockwerk winding up as far back in the past as he did, was an accident.
The only reason he didn't kill Sly when Sly was a child, was because he knew Sly was going to exist, and didn't want to fuck up his chances of killing Sly's father.
Huh winding up in the past? he's an ancient bird thats confirmed with he's litterally in the photos of the ancestors
He told Sly during their fight that he only spared his life because he wanted to show the world how useless the clan is without the knowledge from the Thievius Racconus.
@@waluigifantoychicaac358 Yeah, he said that in the game, but what I outlined is my personal headcanon.
Holy! This prolly brought back so many memories from my childhood just bought the collection of the first 3 games to play them again but gosh this game was the best thing great vid bro
Thanks for watching!
No problem man
Do anyone thought he said Flawless instead of flowers...
Maybe Clockwerk hated the Coopers because when he was young, he wanted to read the Thievius Raccoonus to become a master thief but a Cooper won’t let him read it because the book itself belongs to the Cooper Clan and that made Clockwerk mad and started to hate the Coopers
That's still pretty drastic I'd say....There must be more to it.
VTNVIVI when young Clockwerk was trying to grab the book, the Cooper kicked him in the face, Clockwerk started to cry and then flew away to a dark cave. Clockwerk stayed in the dark cave thinking what to do to get rid of the Coopers until he figured out what to do to get rid of the Coopers. Clockwerk flew to Arpeggio to force him to make a new metalic body full of hate to make Clockwerk live forever. Clockwerk made a gang called the Fiendish Five so they can kill Conner Cooper and ransack his house because of the Thieveus Raccoonus
I'm actually working on a comic book series that comes 19 years after Sly 4. Following shortly after Sly's disappearance, Carmelita has Sly's child and names him Slick, who grows up to be a vigilante. He has 2 others in his gang, a honey badger named Trevor and a snowy owl named Melody.
Now Melody is an extremely important plot point because she's the most recent descendant of Clockwerk. Yes, he once had a family of his own thousands of years ago, who turned their backs on him when his ambitions clouded his judgement. A group of criminals managed to steal a sample of her blood and reincarnate Clockwerk into his original form and with a new and unknown power.
Slick and Melody ironically begin developing feelings for each other during the gang's journey, fighting side by side to the end.
Dude, nice theory! Please make available your comic when it’s done. I’m interested to read it!
What if Clockwerk is actually a cursed friend of Slytunkhamen
Clockwerk could've been a normal Cooper thief related to Slytunkhamen (like a brother or a best friend) who was working with Sly's ancestor to steal from a tomb when they were teenagers and Clockwerk got cursed and was turned into a giant bird. At first, the two of them take advantage of Clockwerk's new abilities and are to commit crimes a lot better because every criminal would be afraid of Clockwerk's new form. For a while things are fine, until the giant bird starts to feel used by his old friend and starts to question Slytunkhamen's friendship with him, eventually leading to Clockwerk starting to grow annoyed and frustrated and hate his new body. Before any of this though, Clockwerk had a lover who left Egypt because she was a spice trader and the two had plans to be married when she came back. She does return and sees what Clockwerk turned into. She was afraid at first, not recognizing him, but when she realizes it's him, she still stays with him. A few weeks later, Clockwerk and Slytunkhamen work out a plan to steal from a powerful, merciless, pharaoh and leave Egypt forever. Slytunkhamen would sneak in undetected while Clockwerk takes care of the guards and the pharaoh. This angers Clockwerk, believing he's being used as a tool once more. They argue for a bit, but Slytunkhamen apologizes to him for how he felt. Though not super relieved or even moved by it, Clockwerk accepts his apology and the two of them get ready for the heist. Things were going great: Clockwerk's massive size terrified the pharaoh and his soldiers to the point where they just ran or hid and Slytunkhamen managed to steal a lot of loot. They escape and Clockwerk grabs his lover and flies off with her and his "friend" to a safer location. They lay low for a bit until Clockwerk's lover is captured and sentenced to death by hanging. Clockwerk tried to save her, but was too late. Heartbroken and hurting, Clockwerk killed the pharaoh and his guards and tried to kill Slytunkhamen, but being the master of stealth, he escaped after he heard Clockwerk was coming after him for revenge. Enraged, Clockwerk flew off and wanted something to use for his plan of revenge. Enter Penelope, who (like you said), gave the tech he needed get his revenge, but instead of focusing it solely on Slytunkhamen, since he knew his skills already, he would travel through learning every single technique they used and continued watching the Cooper family. Eventually, Clockwerk formed the Fiendish Five and murdered Sly's parents perhaps in the hopes Sly would be too traumatized to follow in his dad's footsteps or he took the Justice from Afro Samurai approach and just let him go after him. But before he put his plan into action, Clockwerk buried his lover and like anyone who mourns over the death of a loved one, he left flowers at her grave, but these flower he altered so that they would never die much like his hatred for the Cooper clan. And maybe when he was defeated, his old self may have died, but somehow, either with science or black magic, the machine lived and waited for someone to put it back together so it could finish what Clockwerk couldn't. Hell, maybe Neyla could've been a descendant of Clockwerk before the curse and before he met the love of his life (just spit balling at this point) hence her sudden hatred towards Sly. In the end, this could be the sad and tragic story of Clockwerk.
I enjoyed reading this, thanks for sharing!
No prob :)
Clockwerk is based of the Great Owl from the secret of NIMH 1982 .
Imagine that!
Y-Yeah I meanet the similiar of Clockwerk and the Great owl have the same eye brows and yellow eyes and ... the body?
I've read some good Sly Fiction where Clockwerk and Doctor M weren't that different from each other,
and that at one point, Clockwerk was a close friend with Slytunkamen until they had a falling out.
That seems plausible.
Of course, I wonder if "Clockwerk" even is his real name,
or just an alias he decided to call himself once he took steps to become immortal.
("Clockwerk" sounds like a name associated with time, so I wouldn't be surprised if he can time travel as well.)
Yeah my mind did come across these things as well! Imagine Dr.M revealed the location of the Thievius Raccoonus in exchange for the location of the Vault? Afterall, Dr. M has been on that island for quite some time!
@@VtnVivi Someone once wrote that it was Dr. M who revealed where Sly's father lived.
and, not just a simple address..but, whatever alias he was using to protect his family, and hide from the law.
And, I do agree that Clockwerk HAD to know of Kaine Island (probably flew over it more than a few times.)
Love all your Sly Cooper stuff;subbed :) keep up these awesome vids
+KennyPowers I really appreciate it thank you :D
“I am”
“Been selling”
“Flowers”
“Never”
“Reality”
“Belay”
“I will become”
“Feet together”
“I will live”
“Redirect energy”
“I am” seems like he was about to introduce himself.
“Been selling” and “flowers” could mean he had a job selling flowers. Maybe it was a real, humble job in the beginning.
“Never” “reality” ; these seem to me as if he’s realizing that an honest job can never live up to honest expectations since reality can be cruel.
“Belay” and “I will become” feel like he wants to preserve someone or something. And to do so he became a thief, but to truly protect from cruel reality means becoming the best.
“Feet together”. Now this is tricky. But I think we are all misunderstanding another possibility. What if it’s really “feat together” as in two or more people were in on a heist. Achieve amazing feats together, become the best. If so then I’m guessing he was there for when the first Cooper decided to become a thief. But something went wrong.
“I will live” suggests that, if he was a partner in a heist, he was the one that got caught while the Cooper didn’t. This sort of resentment, combined with the possible reason he started stealing to protect someone/thing, could lead up to “redirecting energy.” Putting all his protecting energy into hatred, becoming consumed with it. Turning from beginning thief to obsessive over the ones who did him wrong.
If the belay was for a person then I’m guessing they’re long since dead. But if it’s for a thing... gotta question: what was it?
Very interesting takes!!!!
I think Sly tried to do something to Clockwork so in the future he wouldn't be able to kill his parents but Clockwork survived and hated the Coopers for life! 😱.
There's a thing that i always keep thinking when i hear about Clockwerk.
In sly 2, the cooper gang managed to get all the clockwerk parts except for 2. The tallons and most importantly , the brain.
Arppegio is known to have clockwerk's brain.But he most likely didn't use it when he was rebuilding clockwerk's body since he wanted the owl's body for himself..
Sooo..What if, clockwerk's brain is still somewhere out there.
What if Le Paradox or Dr M got it?
If they wish to bring clockwerk back into sly 5 (if it ever gets released) or in the movie then this is a good way of doing so, by using his brain.
I made a video talking about the brain ;) It's my recent one try and look it up if interested.
So, I know that Clockwork was once a Living Eurasian eagle owl. So that would definitely make him a cyborg!
What we'd like to know is how did he turn robotic?
Clockwerk was invented by suckerpunch before timetravelkng was introduced to the games in sly 4
Yes. We see Clockwerk behind Slytunkhamen in a photo. If he turned robotic in Ancient Egypt, then time travel could explain it; maybe someone time travelled and turned him into what he is.
Thanks for the info.
Clockwork was there since the beginning
It's a shame Dr. M dies in Sly 3. Imagine a team-up with him and Clockwork.
What if Clockwerk was a Cooper gang member long time ago but got betrayed?
Not far-fetched :)
Great video man! I think what you said about clockwerk somehow being framed and realizing that the cooper's always got away could have sparked his hatred
+TheGamingTemple [TGT] Thanks man! His hatred also turned into madness, where he hunted down every single Cooper. I think our question is what REALLY caused him to turn mad? If not for Sly 5, then perhaps a prequel could explain some stuff. If the movie grabs a lot of attention, then this series might expand, just like you mentioned in your last video :)
+VtnVivi yep thats what we have to hope for
I actually have my own theory. And it comes from a couple Sly Cooper fanfics and even my own Sly Cooper/Uncharted crossover fic. I believe that he used black magic and alchemy to sustain himself. Plus I think he used whatever young soul he could find and extracted that soul to stay young.
Remember that Clockwerk made a mention of the fountain of youth when Sly asked Clockwerk if he was immortal. Clockwerk’s response to his challenge was, “Revenge is a prime ingredient in the fountain of youth.”
The fountain of youth always got me curious. Could be his metaphorical expression for all we know.
Clockwerk to this day is the greatest villain in Sly Cooper.
I think a fun theory about Clockwerk's death gibberish is that it's him reliving his greatest hits at the end. Like his brain is malfunctioning and replaying killing a bunch of coopers and those words had something to do with those scenes.
If penelope really did trick out an owl with advanced robotics with immortality or worse made herself into a soulless (hence the voice that wouldn't sound like her) robotic owl as a symbolic predator toward sly then I can kinda see how things would fall into place where she plots to simply kill the cooper clan in it's infancy but instead gets defeated by each ancestor thus fueling the ever growing hatred needed for immortality. By the time she reaches sly in the events of Sly 1 though, hundreds of years worth of hate and failures at the hand of the coopers warp her original objective, thus becoming obsessed with the notion of proving that the coopers were "nothing" while trying to become the greatest thief which kinda aligns with the whole reason why she betrayed the group in the first place.
But she already defeated sir Galleth Cooper twice by just simply standing in her spot, so she would have no reason to be defeated by the cooper clan if she actually did had intentions to kill them.
Yes, I do agree. What you've been saying about Clockwerk in this video makes sense. And for this, I think I'll subscribe to you. You're welcome.
:D
VTNVIVI Yep. 😉
Yassss I finally found a sly cooper discussion/theory chanel :D!!!!!
+superashr991 :D
My Theory: in sly5 slytunkhamen (the creator of the book), started the book with clockwerk, they where friends, but something went wrong and the rest is story ahahahah, although
1- clockwerk is on the ice age time
2- if this scenario is the truth then the writters need a very powerfull excuse
so I DONT KNOW :P great video men, you improved a lot
+mulatosly Interesting! Clockwerk being born in the Ice Age era is less likely I find, how did he speak if there was no influence?; Bob couldn't speak, so language back then is out of the question. However, if we're talking about time travel, then Clockwerk being in Bob's time makes sense. Clockwerk being born in Ancient Egypt is more likely (his metal parts were sent to a museum in Egypt, hint hint!). It's very possible that Clockwerk was friends with Slytunkhamen, a betrayal probably caused his madness. And thanks man!
Dont foreget we see Clockwerk in Medival so that must be connected to Penelope or that means somthing happend with IN medival when or before The Black Knight (Penelope) came..
I think with clockwerks rantings, some of it is him starting his auto repair. Feet back together. Energy cells align. Redirect energy in order to keep himself working. When he says "I am" it's an incomplete sentence he finishes later if you listen long enough. He's saying "I am..... immortal."
These were some very good theory.
+Justin DeMoss :D
In Sly 4, the fact that we can see Clockwerk probably means he can see us. He saw the Sly, Bentley & Murray trying to save the Thievious Racconus, he saw them helping the Cooper family, and ancestor by ancestor, he discovered they where doing this because of the book, and thought that it was so important that can destroy all the Cooper clan. He probably thought that if a Cooper literally made a time machine for saving it, he can use the book to destroy the Cooper clan. So he waited thousand of years only for taking informations, studying and waited the birth of Sly. That's why he attacked the exact day Sly was going to take the book. I think the problem isn't the Cooper clan, but Sly himself... Because Sly is the time traveler, the one who ruined him and all for the book, he killed with cold blood Sly's father, if he wanted to punish a random Cooper he would have made the Fiendish five hundreds of years before... But not, he waited for Sly, on a specific day...
If Clockwerk was really crafted in Ancient Egypt, why wait so long just for a book? There has to be a reason why the Coopers lived on for so long... Did Clockwerk intentionally keep the line alive as to survive on hate? You know, to fuel his hate chip?
Some of the things about Clockwork in this video are really creepy.
+Darnell Putman He's one very mysterious character, that's what makes him the best villain!
Why would he really wanna be a master thief? He looks like the type of villain that could level a city. I mean, I'd be upset if someone was taken from me, but still.
Clockwerk (stylized as CLOCKWeЯK) was a Eurasian eagle owl that was the leader of the Fiendish Five and arch-nemesis of the Cooper Clan. He was consumed by jealousy for the Cooper Clan's reputation as thieves and hated them to such a degree that he replaced his mortal body with soulless machinery just to keep up with them through time.
This was a really good video. Personally, I hope that if there's a 5th (and possibly final) Sly Cooper game, there would be an owl character from the President day who the gang gets to help them go back in time to find Sly, but in the game his body gets destroyed so they have to build him a new 1, and some sort of incident occurs that makes him want revenge against Cooper. So basically, it's because of Sly himself that his family's greatest enemy exists, which is a fitting end to Slys story.
Thank you for watching! Imagine the burden Sly would have knowing that he unintentionally caused his family's worst fear :( Clockwerk deserves more background.
I miss my childhood
I have this crazy theory: in Egypt the coopers did something to him, he finds a magical artifact that will keep him young. Centuries go by, and he travels to England all the way to Penelope the black knight. She turns him into a robot, and sends him on a one way trip back in time shortly after the Easter egg spotting to the ice age.
Or he started in England and it's just minus the magical Egypt.
If magic is involved, I could imagine something like this.
It could be. Remember the Bad Mojo and hypnosis? Een Sly 3 in the asian area, there was magic inoled with the enemies and Tsao himself. Magic has been inoled often enough to be canon, at this point.
Plot twist When sly is stuck in Egypt there is no Slytutkamen. Because he is Slytutkamen. He is his own ancestor. Sly begins the cooper legacy in Egypt egyptifying his name.
You´re absolutely right about Clockwerk ;) Why don´t they make a game wich the villain is the guy who helped Clockwerk transforming himself to an imortal?
+_Jay-P_ Exactly! The story is right in their hands.
FINALLY someone mentions the death quotes from the first game. I didnt have as much a complex theory, my idea was maybe as a mortal, Clockwerk was just a normal peasant selling flowers until one of Sly's ancestors stole them one day, somehow driving Clock to madness and wanting to beat the thief at the one thing they took pride in over all else, being a master thief.
Or the flowers could have to do with a loved one whom he lost.
This is why I hate it whenever any form of media does time travel. It ends up convoluting the entire plot somehow in some way; and it always happens without fail. Like Rick once said in Rick and Morty. "Oh time travel? Yeah, I don't do that it's stupid and makes no since."
What if Clockwerk is from the future and trying to keep someone he loves that a descendant of Sly will kill alive? However, he would know that Sly's parents were destined to die and that Sly himself would become a hero so he didn't want to eliminate Sly, but he wants to scare him away from having kids.
If Clockwerk originated from the future, that could mean Sly's parents were kept alive and not killed in that old timeline. In this new timeline, the Fiendish Five attack their home and all that.
I like to imagine that the events of Thieves in Time set his fate in motion. The databank of LeParadox's blimp would likely have the schematics for his mechanical body
The mystery of Clockwerk is what makes him so terrifying. I’m much more interested in what he represents in the story thematically
I have a theory on who Clockwerk was before. Maybe he shares a similar origin to that of Andross from Star Fox. Clockwerk was once an anthro owl who was in love. Remember when Nyla jumped into Clockerk's head and then Clock-la was born, I think Clockwerk did the same thing. That does explain why Clockwerk never awoken after he was fully assembled. The animation we saw in sly 2 could only have been what Sly thought Clockwerk was before he became Clockwerk. Now here are my theories on what his words could mean.
"I am... Been selling..." I think that he was once a Salesmen. And a rougue Cooper (Whom is never brought up in history as he probably went against his family and used his skills for evil) stole from him, not just his merchandise, but also stole something very important to him.
"Flowers" could mean either wedding or funeral. Maybe the rougue Cooper killed his love life or even his parents, so that could be what he meant by "Revenge is the prime ingredient."
"Never" could mean he will never surrender to the Coopers. Maybe he was hallucinating to his own time and seeing his true enemy.
"Reality" I think it's him trying to forge his own reality by having his revenge then living in peace or it could be he saw all Coopers as a threat to all people as the rougue Cooper was his enemy and didn't want to accept that all other Coopers were good as the family book had read.
"Belay" maybe when Clockwerk was an Anthro and couldn't fly, he loved Mountain climbing as a hobby as belay means to secure a person or a rope to an anchor point.
"I will become" could mean what he said in the second phase of the battle. A master thief. Or could also mean he was once going to be a father and his wife was pregnant before she died.
"Feet together" could mean a dance. I think he was enjoying his wedding with his wife. They were dancing when the rougue Cooper crashed the wedding and maybe trapped Clockwerk's wife but couldn't save her in time. That would explain why he trapped Carmilita in the first place.
"I will live" I think that is his last shred of humanity as he wants to live and not die. Robots normally don't know the meaning of the words live or die as they don't show fear of dying. Clockwerk was fighting to live which showed he was still his old self despite being a giant robot.
"Redirect Energy" I think that was his cyborg self completly repairing his verbal sub routines so that could explain how he was talking normal again in his final moments.
These are only my theories but maybe The Coopers had a few bad clan members and had kids but choose to follow their ancestors' honorable path. But Clockwerk didn't see it that way. I hope we find out more on the cyborg owl.
As for Clockwerk not waking up in Sly 2 I believe it has to do with the missing brain. I also believe the Cooper Clan isn't what we believe, one of them could've been ''bad'', I mean surely a Cooper had more than one kid. I loved reading your theory!
@@VtnVivi wow! I never expected you to reply, let alone receive a complament from you sir. I'm very flattered and happy you enjoyed reading my theory. And yep there could have been a bad Cooper which is why he isn't in the family book nor mentioned in the Cooper Vault. I know the Cooper line is an honourable family of thieves who steal from criminals, and this bad Cooper chose to split from honor and rob from ordinary people. I would say Clockwerk was his first victim, repeatedly.
meaby sly is his egyptian ancestor, and when he landed on egypt, one of the zeppelin parts killed clockwerk's wife
still it's weird that we can see a mechanic clockwerk as an easter egg in sly 4, even in the ice age
Like a bootstrap paradox you mean :)
I feel like Penelope help build clockwerk, there is no way clockwerk could have been in those timelines with his superior robotic body. He must have been banishedin time.
Hopefully in the next sly cooper game we might see clockwerk and battle him and defeat him in some way again
One of the coopers hurt one of clockwerks loved ones. If so, it may have been his parents. Thats probably why clockwerk waited to kill slys parents.
👍 great video 👍
Thanks!
No problem! 😂
That was pretty damn spot on.
Why thank you!
Maybe the fountain of youth could've made clockwork live forever and made him hate the coopers
If so, I hope we get some explanation. Magic exists in the series, so it doesn't sound crazy.
True but he mentioned it at the boss fight
Tommy Laughlin
He doesn't specifically mention A foutain of youth he just says "Hate and jealousy are the foutain of youth that I thrived on for all of the years" he was probably just saying that his hate and jealousy for the Cooper family was his driving force to want to stay alive and wipe them out.
Hunter bodanza jealousy is the main ingredient of the fountain of youth
The fountain of youth could be in Ancient Egypt
since everyone is going around saying they're own theories il do so aswell
What if clockwerk found Paradox Blimp crash site?
Sly 4 secret ending shows that sly is in ancient egypt, what if clockwerk, after whatever made him hate the cooper clan so much found the crash site and decided to get the stuff hidden in a secret place, or lair has you might call it.
A single working computer, with could understand ancient egyptian, is all clockwerk really needs to begin to understand how technology works. The process to becoming a machine would have taken time, but with the blimp, he could slowing replace his body parts, till he becomes who we know hate and love.
And to make it even better, the computer would also have all the intel about sly, his adventures with the fiendish 5, clock la, Dr m, Paradox.
And instend of trying to change fate, with would mean Clockwerk would never have gotten the blimp, he followed it by the letter.
All so he could live, all so he could follow with his master plan, because now, now the future past of clockwer is certain, now he can kill sly and end the cooper clan, while not creating a time paradox.
Interesting! Clockwerk finding the crash site is possible. Clockwerk figuring out how to turn himself immortal is incredible. Who knows, maybe someone helped him do so.
VTNVIVI
Not likely, paradox is out of the picture and Penelope is not likely to go back in time to help clockwerk because there is no clear info of where, who and when clockwerk was born. Egypt is just the longest we know hes been alive.
So no, odds of someone in the future helping clockwerk are nearly none. Unless they just say that there is another time machine used by another master criminal that just happens to want to help one of the worst villans.
But even that creates a time paradox, has bentley only made the time machine thx to penelope, and they met because of sly.
Sly only met bently because clockwerk killed his parents.
So has you can see by this long text. The story is close to having time paradox.
Its why i think clockwerk staged his death, so there wont be a paradox has to how he became what he is now.
And lets be real, clockwerk likely has a means to still live even sould his body be destroyed. Its immortal bad guy 101. Like voldmort.
I wonder if the movie will touch on this. For such a major character it's pretty odd we know actually so little about Clockwerks background
+C. Jump I know right?
in sly 4 clockwork is imortal in bob's time(i think bob stole clockwork's egg)
Clockwerk was just an easter egg right? Him in 10 000 BC could mean nothing really. Were species that smart enough to be able to turn themselves into metal? Plus metal forging was a thing around Slytunkhamen's time.
VTNVIVI I think clockwork is a owl and owls may have longevity in sly's universe or (as u said in another vid) he had magic and lived to ancient Egypt. Met someone from the future or may sly's kid timed traveled to the past and became clockwork. That's y he never killed the kids.
One thing I just can't understand: Why did Penelope turn on Sly and the others? I mean, he never really did or said anything to her to warrant this change. And I know she said to Bently that he shouldn't have to live in Sly's shadow and he could be better without him, but again, that still doesn't make sense to do what she did. Also, Sly was pretty much retired from thieving when all of that started going down. It just doesn't make any sense. Am I missing something here?
What we're missing here is more background on Penelope's betrayal, I understand where you're coming from.
Sly was my childhood
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If Clockwerk perhaps had something he could see into the future, and with it he saw both the success of the Coopers in theft and the technology of the future, thus learning how to develop and use it
at one point of first mission of sly u can hear la paradox talking trought window, at one point he said something about building a machine and naming it clockwerk.
Oh, never paid attention to that :O
Arthur Aquilanima : yeah I heard that the he was talking to someone about clockwerd I think
i agree and cant wait for a sly 5
+Estin Cameron Right?! :D
i would agree the penelope had something to do with it because since she knew how to go back in time and made cybernetic army and at the same time she's on the run rn
in the first game clockwerk says that he let sly live because he wanted to prove that the coopers were nothing without their book.
Yes. But I feel there's a little more to it.
Maybe they'll explain Clockwerk's Backstory in The Sly Cooper Movie
Edit 2022 was already told the Movie was Cancelled but upside Development for Sly Cooper 5 is truly Happening
If there was a movie....maybe the TV show.
Here’s my theory of Clockwerk:
Clockwerk was in love with another creature, and during an incident, Clockwerk’s lover was killed by a Cooper. This fueled him with hate for the Cooper Clan, and Penelope gave him blueprints and schematics for the robotic owl appearance. Penelope also gave Clockwerk a time machine to go back in time and (maybe) kill the Cooper ancestors because of what one of them did to his lover.
The theory is way too out there to be very believable
Plus how does sly know about clockwerks plans if he only saw him once as a child, a very brief moment as well
I'd like to see a future Sly Cooper game where Clockwerk is the main character and we see how he was mistreated by an early cooper and how he came to turn himself into a cyborg in order to puruse the future coopers.
I thought this was obvious???
Whatever slight against him must have occurred back in prehistory, as he is seen in that stage of Sly 4.
The prehistoric ancestor was said to have been stealing *EGGS*.
Owls lay eggs, and it's the earliest we see him. He was *robbed* of a legacy, so he sought to rob them of theirs.
I'm unsure where you got your definition of "belay"; it does mean to secure something, but usually in the sense of tying a rope around a cleat or hook to secure it. It also is used to mean "halt" or "cease", i.e. "belay that" means "stop that".
Whatever it means, something Clockwerk did and remembered during that scene.
Well besides clock work and clock-la I think the best villain was mugshot
Interesting theory
Glad you enjoyed it :)
your welcome
Sly, my fav game series in my childhood, wish i could play it on pc ;(
+sony :(
+sony PS2 emulat...
I would really love to see Clockwerk return as the main-villain of Sly 5. Not the silly and dumb Clock-la. I want _the_ Clockwerk. The real deal with the badass robot-owl.
Same here!
What if his last name was Hooper? We all know that Coopers were barrel makers, but the rings on the wooden barrels were made by Hoopers. Plus, Clockwerk shoots metal rings, which suggests they might've worked together.