I love DS9 probably more than any other craft in Trek, but yeah this modded version is OP. Anything that can take down a Borg Cube with ZERO hull damage is probably not balanced.
I really did enjoy watching this battle👍 However, this battle would've most likely ended up a bit differently if in a TV show or in a Trek movie, but unfortunately decidedly in the Borg's favor unless a fleet of friendlies came to DS9's defense. The Borg, as we all know, is more than capable of adapting and remodulating all shield and weapons frequencies and transport drones through a target's shields. Each Borg drone is also capable of adapting and remodulating their weapons and personal shields as well.
@@RetroBadgerGaming first it was the cardassians. Then the klingons. Then the Dominion. Now its the Borg! Hows a feringi suppose to make an honest living around here
I feel like this battle would have been incredibly cathartic for Sisco. But, yes, I cn see Dominion Wars DS9 tearing through support ships, but it should have needed to put more work into fighting that cube - I was expecting it to be a LOT closer. With regards to the rectangles, yes - it's in Voyager. Voyager actually targets one to steal a transwarp coil because it's one of the weakest Borg vessels equipped with them. It also appears in Armada 2 as an "Interceptor" and fills that role very well - it's a nippy if weak little ship with a single forward firing beam weapon that's really only useful to harass enemy scouts and trade vessels, chase down heavily damaged vessels that are trying to retreat from a real fight or lob into a suicide charge designed to stall for time until your slower ships arrive or you can open a conduit (though this is kind of a 'false tactic' since it relies on the enemy fleet stopping to fight a target which, honestly, it can just swat at like wasps while it keeps going - you were pretty much banking on your opponents inexperience for that one).
if the Borg assimilated the Jem'Hadar they'd get some sturdy drones. be interesting if they went through the wormhole, encountered the celestial beings & somehow managed to assimilate them. since Borg have technology that would presumably have internal clock registers they might find it hard assimilating a race that exists outside of time.
I'm actually surprised that when the Tactical Cube exploded, it didn't take out DS9 as well. From the video, it certainly looks like it parked only feet from the Upper Docking Pylons.
Martok never believed there were 5000 torpedos, he said it was an illusion made of thoron fields and duranium shadows. Then Gowron said "You are like a toothless old grishnar cat trying to frighten us with your roar" Then Sisko kicked the living shit out of the Klingon fleet with his very real 5000 photon torpedos.
Personally, I'm surprised the Borg didn't attack Bajor or DS9 in the series. Like if they used the war as a distraction to gain a foothold in the alpha quadrant. I would also like to have seen the Borg adapting to strategy. Instead of trying to assimilate the big cheese of the alpha quadrant, if they were to try to go for the small fries first.
you are right to attack the weak. that is sun tzu. “To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill.” “So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong, and strike at what is weak.” it is always best to destroy your weakest enemy first. hes easiest eliminated, and unable to help your stronger enemy when defeated.
This does not seem off-base. By the time of the Dominion War, Starfleet weapons were pretty effective against the Borg. The size of the fleet that destroyed the Borg Cube in the Battle of Sector 001 had less firepower than the refit DS9 of the period. The Borg are lucky that this DS9 wasn't equipped with quantum torpedoes.
nice video mate. I was wondering if there's a multiplayer version of remastered. the original game has a multiplayer mode, which I can get to work over my local network. but if we could get a multiplayer version working over the internet with remastered, I think I'd be interested in making a few videos with someone.
I think, and I am taking a guess here without looking up episode names, but I think the Voyager 2 parter where you see a Borg tactical cube is in Unimatrix Zero, like I say I am taking a guess at the episode name, but it is in that two parter we learn onf Unimatrix Zero anyway
As strong asDS9 is no way could it defeat a Borge invasion fleet a Borg Cube alone took out an entire Starfleet fleet and would desolate DS9 lol so yes very OP ..but great as all ways RB 👏 👍
DS9 was way overpowered. DS9 could probably handle a couple spheres with Dominion War upgrades, but Starfleet was losing it when one Borg ship was coming through the transwarp conduit near Earth in Endgame.
@@krishouston3747 But n First Contact don't they beam over only when the Enterprise's shields were down. It seemed to me that the Federation learnt how to prevent that.
DS9, not even Federation. If this was how Cardassians built ships, the Federation would never have had a chance against them. They wouldn't have needed the Dominion either.
DS9 was drastically refit before the Klingon attack and upgraded even more following the AAR. It is a completely different animal. The original Cardassian version of DS9, Terok Nor, was not a battle station, but an administrative hub and ore processing center. Terok Nor wouldn't able to handle an attack by even a single Galaxy Class starship. In the pilot episode it stood little chance against three Galor Class cruisers.
@@crownprincesebastianjohano7069 I would say it was a combination, but not better than federation. A refit of shields and torpedoes. But the same computer. No big change to power supply and infrastructure. And at that point, Voyager still hadn't come back with info on how to make shields better, and it was just a few years after the battle with Borg.
I love DS9 probably more than any other craft in Trek, but yeah this modded version is OP. Anything that can take down a Borg Cube with ZERO hull damage is probably not balanced.
1:58 you should have given O'Brien the order to reroute auxillary power to theatrical cameras.
That all depends on what time you are looking at the DS9. After the Dominion War, I can see that. Before the Dominion War, no, it's over powered.
I really did enjoy watching this battle👍 However, this battle would've most likely ended up a bit differently if in a TV show or in a Trek movie, but unfortunately decidedly in the Borg's favor unless a fleet of friendlies came to DS9's defense. The Borg, as we all know, is more than capable of adapting and remodulating all shield and weapons frequencies and transport drones through a target's shields. Each Borg drone is also capable of adapting and remodulating their weapons and personal shields as well.
But you are talking about multi phaser arrays and 5,000 photon torpedoes. The Borg would have been smashed.
Depends on power generation, if that was high enough DS9 might win with brute force.
Quark didn't even close the bar for this one lol. Definitely overpowered but highly entertaining 🖖.
Quark will only close the bar when he becomes supreme commander of the Ferenghi bank.
@@RetroBadgerGaming lol
@@RetroBadgerGaming first it was the cardassians. Then the klingons. Then the Dominion. Now its the Borg! Hows a feringi suppose to make an honest living around here
I feel like this battle would have been incredibly cathartic for Sisco.
But, yes, I cn see Dominion Wars DS9 tearing through support ships, but it should have needed to put more work into fighting that cube - I was expecting it to be a LOT closer.
With regards to the rectangles, yes - it's in Voyager. Voyager actually targets one to steal a transwarp coil because it's one of the weakest Borg vessels equipped with them.
It also appears in Armada 2 as an "Interceptor" and fills that role very well - it's a nippy if weak little ship with a single forward firing beam weapon that's really only useful to harass enemy scouts and trade vessels, chase down heavily damaged vessels that are trying to retreat from a real fight or lob into a suicide charge designed to stall for time until your slower ships arrive or you can open a conduit (though this is kind of a 'false tactic' since it relies on the enemy fleet stopping to fight a target which, honestly, it can just swat at like wasps while it keeps going - you were pretty much banking on your opponents inexperience for that one).
That was a good matchup, but I was expecting the Borg Tactical Cube to have been a tougher foe to defeat than it was.
It should have been harder . The Borg would adapt.
if the Borg assimilated the Jem'Hadar they'd get some sturdy drones. be interesting if they went through the wormhole, encountered the celestial beings & somehow managed to assimilate them. since Borg have technology that would presumably have internal clock registers they might find it hard assimilating a race that exists outside of time.
I'm actually surprised that when the Tactical Cube exploded, it didn't take out DS9 as well. From the video, it certainly looks like it parked only feet from the Upper Docking Pylons.
Martok never believed there were 5000 torpedos, he said it was an illusion made of thoron fields and duranium shadows.
Then Gowron said "You are like a toothless old grishnar cat trying to frighten us with your roar"
Then Sisko kicked the living shit out of the Klingon fleet with his very real 5000 photon torpedos.
If the Klingon attack in the way of the warrior is anything to go by, would love to see a Borg on the station and the rest of the system.
according to Star Trek Legacy, Tactical cubes are well armored and quite destructive. and this battle here practically here proves it.
That’s a good point. Out of all the original ships, the Excelsiors were still used for actual missions.
It be cool to see DS9 and the Death star go at each other, lol
Personally, I'm surprised the Borg didn't attack Bajor or DS9 in the series. Like if they used the war as a distraction to gain a foothold in the alpha quadrant.
I would also like to have seen the Borg adapting to strategy. Instead of trying to assimilate the big cheese of the alpha quadrant, if they were to try to go for the small fries first.
Deep space nine vs the death star, has that ever been requested?
Death Star wins size+armor+turbo lasers. in most cases Star Trek wins via maneuverability/transporters
you are right to attack the weak. that is sun tzu.
“To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill.” “So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong, and strike at what is weak.”
it is always best to destroy your weakest enemy first. hes easiest eliminated, and unable to help your stronger enemy when defeated.
This does not seem off-base. By the time of the Dominion War, Starfleet weapons were pretty effective against the Borg. The size of the fleet that destroyed the Borg Cube in the Battle of Sector 001 had less firepower than the refit DS9 of the period. The Borg are lucky that this DS9 wasn't equipped with quantum torpedoes.
This is the firepower Starfleet needed at Wolf 359. Would have been a very diiferent outcome.
nice video mate. I was wondering if there's a multiplayer version of remastered. the original game has a multiplayer mode, which I can get to work over my local network.
but if we could get a multiplayer version working over the internet with remastered, I think I'd be interested in making a few videos with someone.
An assimilated DS9 would probably have some insane firepower
I quite agree.
The possibilities!!!! I hope someone makes that mod!
I think, and I am taking a guess here without looking up episode names, but I think the Voyager 2 parter where you see a Borg tactical cube is in Unimatrix Zero, like I say I am taking a guess at the episode name, but it is in that two parter we learn onf Unimatrix Zero anyway
As strong asDS9 is no way could it defeat a Borge invasion fleet a Borg Cube alone took out an entire Starfleet fleet and would desolate DS9 lol so yes very OP ..but great as all ways RB 👏 👍
i think borg would just ram a sphere into ds9 when reciving so much resistense
The Borg cube must of had the Endgame Virus.
😂😂
DS9 was way overpowered. DS9 could probably handle a couple spheres with Dominion War upgrades, but Starfleet was losing it when one Borg ship was coming through the transwarp conduit near Earth in Endgame.
The Borg would use the shield draining weapon and assimilate DS9.
Not only that, but the Borg would also transport Drones onto the station right through its shields.
@@krishouston3747 But n First Contact don't they beam over only when the Enterprise's shields were down. It seemed to me that the Federation learnt how to prevent that.
Oh yes, the Voyager version of the Borg.
The cube is oddly undersized
Def OP
From what I've seen of the Borg on that mod, they are terribly underpowered.
Could you do DS9 vs the Enterprise G? I wonder what that battle would result in if down form both ways?
A bit of both .
DS9, not even Federation. If this was how Cardassians built ships, the Federation would never have had a chance against them. They wouldn't have needed the Dominion either.
DS9 was drastically refit before the Klingon attack and upgraded even more following the AAR. It is a completely different animal. The original Cardassian version of DS9, Terok Nor, was not a battle station, but an administrative hub and ore processing center. Terok Nor wouldn't able to handle an attack by even a single Galaxy Class starship. In the pilot episode it stood little chance against three Galor Class cruisers.
@@crownprincesebastianjohano7069 I would say it was a combination, but not better than federation. A refit of shields and torpedoes. But the same computer. No big change to power supply and infrastructure. And at that point, Voyager still hadn't come back with info on how to make shields better, and it was just a few years after the battle with Borg.
I dont understand the Borg shields in this Game/Mod, even if they regenerate fast, they are way to easy to penetrate
Can you not turn on Secondary Targeting for multiple targets instead of just targeting one?
Not in BC Remastered.