Dune: The Paul Atreides Trilogy
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Herbert said: „I wrote the Dune series because I had this idea that charismatic leaders ought to come with a warning label on their forehead: "May be dangerous to your health." There are not THE good in dune. All are grey and potentially leaders, the people shall fear. Paul is no messiah, no white knight. He is an emperor in the rise.
"There is Only POWER and Those to Weak to Grasp It.It is a Game of Absolutes.No one is "Good or Bad"
Indeed, one either serves the harmonizing intelligence which exists between people (beings) which prefer to live in the light (Truth/Life), or one merely functions to indulge their own senses/ego. There is no real way to compromise - eventually a scenario will come about for us all where we each need to make this choice.
The fact that Denis is openly talking about his idea for a potential trilogy gives me *even more* confidence that we are about to experience a masterpiece of a cinematic adaptation. The studio execs seem happy, the cast is happy, and audiences so far have enjoyed it. I cannot wait till October!
I'd agree with you if we weren't going through the wokepocalypse of cinema
@@HunterXMoon what?
The single biggest trap to the first Dune book, is people going yeah we can make one..... 6 hour movie out of it, and the ensuing bottlenecks then appear.
@@katonasanyi3735 The wokepocalypse; woke politics is infiltrating every single franchise. Destroying it like a cancer;
Star Wars - Mary Sue protagonist that overshadowed the entire original cast, and made a mockery of the original trilogy and its themes all under the direction of radical feminist Kathleen Kennedy. "The Force is Female" and it also went woke, and got broke.
Star Trek Discovery - portays Klingons as "Trumpster Isolationists" according to Aaron Harberts, as well as having a Mary Sue protagonist which figuratively castrates longtime fan favorite character, Spock.
Dr. Who - The 13th doctor played by Jodie Whittaker is a feminist on a power trip, who in the trailer for the 13th doctor, Literally and symbolically shatters a non existent glass ceiling and sarcastically and smugly says "Oops." The writers of doctor who go on to reveal the answer to the long awaited mystery: the Doctor's origin. Turns our the Dr was a black girl all along... I wish I was kidding. Utter tripe.
Marvel Phase 4 and 5 -
Thor replaced by a Lesbian Valkyrie and his ex girlfriend... A Muslim Ms. Marvel (OH she'd just LOVE Biden considering his courtesy with the Taliban)... Captain Marvel 2... Brie Larson Boogaloo... all woke garbage and liberal piss takes
Amazon's Lord of the Rings - I miss Christopher Tolkien already, because his sister selling the rights to Amazon was an absolute disgrace. LGBT corruption of a classic piece of literature written by a devout Catholic? Oh yeah, let's ruin that...
And don't even get me started on Netflix and the shows they've ruined just in the past 3 years... too many to count. Not least of which the Dark Crystal prequel debacle who they canceled the second season for because the Henson family didn't want to disgrace Jim Henson's legacy by pushing LGBT+ nonsense into the story.
Wokepocalypse. Worst time in history to make a faithful adaptation of anything.
Frank Herbert will be rolling in his grave, God bless his poor soul...
@@HunterXMoon how is this movie woke? This is not Star Wars, and not Tolkien. This is Dennis Villeneuve's interpretiation of Dune. What are the woke things in this movie? Don't be silly.
Dennis is not some money hungry Netflix executive. He is a talented filmmaker who loves Dune.
This seems like this would be an amazing outcome. Dune Messiah as Part 3 would put a great bow tying up Paul’s story.
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I think a trilogy that encompasses Dune: Messiah would be a perfect combination and because it's a movie format, some mixing up might feel more natural.
The issue with filming just Dune has for me always been that the book, almost misleadingly, finishes on a high note, with Paul seemingly assuming total control. One has to read between the lines a bit to realize that this control is an illusion. An this is why Dune: Messiah is an important part, where the terrible consequences of Paul's victory are more explicitly shown and, as you mentioned, the overall tone is much darker. I would definitely love to see that on the big screen as well.
The point you make about the misleading high note is why I don't think part two ends with the great battle. I think if they kept part 3 as a movie that shows paul fighting from start to end in war and battle would make for an insanely epic Dune film. They either start or end Dune part 2 with Feyd's 100th kill, depending on whether they choose to show the scene out of timeline in a cinematic way (both ways work for me and would be great). Imagine ending Dune part 2 with Feyd's gladiatorial scene, that would be epic. But due to the tie-in factor of lieutenant Lanville, I'm pretty sure it will be at the start unless they change the plan. Then part three has the battle with the Emperor, the growth of the Empire, Alia and Duncan, the birth of the "Children of Dune" and the end of Paul's character arc. It would be incredible.
@@secretsofdune Sounds good.
It would also make sense to have Dune 2 about three years later, when the actors have aged accordingly.
A third film? Yes, in TWENTY years then!
U made the point. 👍
If Denis was deadset on the first novel being two movies it wouldn't make sense that the second novel would only be 1 movie. I'd have a hard time finding a place to end a third movie somewhere mid Dune Messiah. Give me 2 movies per novel for all the novels and I'll be a happy boy.
If we get to God Emperor, directed by Denis, I'll praise Shai Hullud til the end of my days
A Dune trilogy based around the Paul Atreides story that includes Dune: Messiah would make perfect sense.
Dune is not complete without Dune Messiah. Even Frank Herbert thought so. He wanted the two to be published together, but was talked out of it. I can understand that God Emperor is very hard to adapt. It should be a TV-series that links Children of Dune with Heretics of Dune.
I agree, an FX show like Legion is how I envisioned God Emperor of Dune. I think it would work best as a series, not a movie.
@@secretsofdune i miss legion so much, and i hate that they didn’t release seasons 2&3 on blu ray, my movie/series collection can never be complete now!
That’s criminal.
Oh! I never heard of Frank Herbert being talked out of publishing Dune Messiah together with Dune ... but it makes total sense ... i always found it very very weird that the message he actually wanted to deliver was shoved into a different book. Thanks for the fun fact!
This will be like the Godfather trilogy, but with a good closing (If the third part is directed by Villeneuve).
If he doesn’t direct it that would be very unfortunate
I always thought it would be Dune: Part 1 and Dune: Part 2, just adapting the first book and the film after that being an adaptation of Dune: Messiah, becoming a trilogy.
Either way, I'm super eager for a film series to be made from Herbert's books.
I want a movie of the God Emperor. 6 hours of a worm’s thoughts. Make it.
Indeed! By the time I finish the fourth book an adaptation may have already been filmed 🤣 Struggling with God Emperor for some reason: My bookmark keeps falling out and I forget where I was!
@@Hopscotchlemonadespritz it's my fav. fascinating character....
@@Hopscotchlemonadespritz Stick with it. By the time you get to page 300, you'll be completely engrossed. Unfortunately books 5 & 6 are really not worth reading.
Best book in the series. But...its impossible to make watchable film of it. And Villeneuve do not plan to make it. He cast most important character of series...u know...Momoa. Not sure he can play it past Messiah.
A worm that occasionally swats Duncan Idaho.
I think that stopping before Children of Dune can be a good idea for now : it would result in a poetic ending for Paul (we forget The Preacher) but mostly because such a franchise could be too much weight to carry for kids as main protagonists (Alia and the Twins).
I agree with this a lot too. Maybe Villeneuve will want to adapt Children of Dune a decade later and Dune saga will become a lifelong project for him, just like Ridley Scott did with Alien series, but I think it is better to end with Dune Messiah for now and conclude the message about Paul’s story. Paul walking towards the desert one more time at the end will be such a painful and great scene to watch. If Villeneuve decides to adapt Children later, Chalamet and other actors from first trilogy will be old enough to reenact their roles too. I can imagine the audience gasping 20 years from now on when they see our Paul back in the desert, still living, but complete opposite of the young, shining boy we once knew. But they will have to change a lot to adapt the Children. I just cannot imagine them actually hiring children for those roles. They’ll probably age up the characters.
Dune will be the first movie I go to the theater for in years
It would make a lot of sense for Dune and Dune Messiah to be the Paul trilogy, while Children of Dune and God Emperor of Dune become the Leto trilogy. In the distant future Heretic and Chapterhouse can be the Duncan Idaho Ghola Trilogy.
Precisely
The Paula Tradies Trilogy'll be dope!
Chills… that’s what the thought of a trilogy gives me. Do it!
I can't wait to see who gets cast as Feyd, Irulan and Alia!
Barry Keoghan for Feyd.
Anna Taylor Joy for Irulan.
I really think it would be ideal to have 3 movies (Dune Part One and Two and Dune Messiah) and then 4 limited series to cover the rest of the novels
I don’t know about you guys, but I’m gonna need children of dune as a movie, it is my favorite but most importantly I love how it takes the first book and flips it on its head. I would also love to see The Preacher and Leto have their iconic conversation when meeting each other.
I completely Agree. Alia is arguably one of my favorite characters.
@@secretsofdune YES Alia in Children of Dune and our boy Stellan Skarsgard gets to reprise his role...
@@alastairmcleod3635 given the fact that Villeneuve appears to be going for a really creepy version of the Baron, seeing that rendition of him slowly possessing Alia's mind and body could be quite a horror vibe!
I hope the next trilogy will be the Leto Atreides Trilogy, two movies for Children and one really long for Godemperor
Isn't God Emperor really long though?
@@jtcob8486 yes, but very much is inner monologue about philosophy.
Feel like god emperor at least would make for a way better TV show. It's not like dune and Messiah, it develops differently and in a way that I think makes sense as a series. Imagine that too. A self contained season for god emperor and if there's demand they can continue the show with chapter house. No ruining god emperor by shoe horning in a second season and it'd probably a lot easier to make it palatable and exciting than a long ass film which would probably fall flat to most
What a movie collection to get! The whole Dune series...
GREAT NEWS! With a TRILOGY, I think the entire Dune Novel can then be adequately cover the ENTIRE content and still have room to cover all Frank Herbert's books!! I'm IN!
Honestly I want the ambiguity to hang in the air. It would also be hard to keep the dollars rolling in with how weird Dune gets for mainstream.
I hear what you're saying. Part of our love for Dune I guess has been in its anonymility yet it's ability to infliltrate every facet of the creative world.
@@secretsofdune I agree. I think the two parts will serve as a cinematic beuty, honor to the source material, fantastic film for film's sake, and incentivize a new generation in exploring the further story and its more eccentric ideas and plot.
Plot is what I fear most with the other books turning into films. There is not quite enough traditional storytelling that would keep people already not invested hooked.
Personally I would love to see a bunch of people become die hard fans and possibly get an HBO big budget series continuing the story.
On the one hand, we're almost assuredly getting a 2nd and 3rd movie...on the other...we'll have to wait years due to the studio not wanting to risk it. I cant wait.
I figured they'd do something like Dune Part 1 and Dune Part 2, but I was really hoping for names, in keeping with the legacy of the books. I'd rather the first book be Dune and Dune: Muad'Dib which leads into the 3rd part of the trilogy Dune: Messiah.
I am dismayed that so much attention is focused around the man that FAILED. His son was the one to walk the golden path, not Paul. Paul walked off into the desert while Leto ensured mankinds survival.
Paul fights Jamis almost as soon as he meets the Fremen, before they even reach Sietch Tabr.
I'm excited by the idea of Dune Messiah being included in the movie series - I definitely see as the story's "true" ending
Just finished Dune Messiah today! I think that it would make an incredible movie- almost an opposite of the first two movies.
You cannot loose these people upon the Universe!
You sir are great! Quinn just now posted a video about Dune Trilogy. I don’t mean to hate in Quinn, but your content is just superior. Keep up the good work!
There will be a lot of things that will need to be adapted or changed to fit the medium but I love all 6 books to get converted.
There is no doubt in my mind that the Dune books offer ample material for a set of trilogies on the big screen. I am wondering whether Alia will show up towards the end of the first movie, since she was conceived during the Atreides’ trip to Arrakis - that is one of my favorite scenes from the David Lynch movie.
Thx for posting this video! Keep them coming. 😊
If they end Part 2 with Paul drinking the water of life and DO NOT show the final battle, I will be freekin' Pissed. This is Dune Part 1 and Part 2, They need to finish DUNE with the 2nd part. Part 3 Massiah, fine.
Yeah I can imagine a lot of people would be. But if they see this as a trilogy, a different dynamic comes into play. It would no longer be just part one and two, it's also part three. I'm sure Villeneuve will end part two where it feels natural.
I'm with you, I can't imagine part 2 without the battle of Arrakeen
If they are planning to adapt Dune Messiah, then they might as well do Children of Dune too so they can conclude Paul's story and set up Leto II and The Golden Path. I don't expect God Emperor film to be made but it'll be really cool if they did. I can see the film series as something like this:
1. Dune: Part One
2. Dune: Part Two
3. Dune Messiah
4. Children of Dune: Part One
5. Children of Dune: Part Two
Dune doesn't exactly have mainstream appeal so it doesn't seem likely that the film franchise will even get to COD. But who knows, maybe the first film will be surprisingly a huge success. If the rest of the movies get greenlit, it obviously means years of hard work for Denis and it depends on how committed he is to this series. I really can't think of any other filmmaker who will take care of this series better than him.
So what we should expect it Dune(part 1&2) Dune Messiah, and Children of Dune. So just to get through Paul's story it will take take 4 films. Then a trilogy on Leto II.
There’s no way part 2 won’t end with Feyd getting his face kicked off…..
Lol, I hope so. But when you see the end of Dune: Part One you'll get why I say these things.
Kanly
Very well made video! I liked and subbed. I’m interested in what microphone you use to record your videos?
Thank you and welcome! I use a simple Blue Yeti microphone.
As excited as I am for Dune to make it to screen, I'm almost more excited about the prospect of getting Dune Messiah on the big screen... I am having trouble thinking of any other modern tragedies that even come close to dune messiah, and I can't...
That's why we need to try to support this film as much as possible.
@@secretsofdune Agreed, I am so looking forward to this movie and the possibilities that it opens up. I've been the dune guy in my friend groups my whole life. I am ready for Dune to be recognized as the behemoth of science fiction that it's always been for me.
@@secretsofdune In an ideal world i would have killed to watch this movie in theatres but this covid ruined it and now i don't even know whether theatres here in india would be fully operational by october. But if it gets a sequel then i will leave no stone overturned to watch it twice in movie theatres
Okay I’m hesitant about the trilogy idea because of the fear of padding this out, but if it means we get to see the dark consequences after victory, as Herbert intended, then bring it on.
I agree but I don’t understand how it seems (from the comments) that a lot of people read into the end of the first novel as a typical moral victory, when throughout most of Dune, Paul is having prescient visions of his legions of Fremen spreading death across the universe in his name, and he’s horrified of it. He’s more like a reluctant villain and the ending is the sealing of doom not just for millions of innocent people but also for the Fremen who in just a dozen years will not be the same wise, faithful and disciplined desert people but will be dragged into villainy even while they pull Paul into villainy. How do people not get that in the first reading? It never seemed THAT subtle to me.
@@pinkfloydguy7781 My knowledge of Dune’s admittedly limited to the Lynch film (and some lore vids), so I can only really say that I don’t want that same ending again. And idk about you but if it can be misinterpreted both then and now, even with everything you cited, I’d be tempted to disregard subtlety too.
@@pinkfloydguy7781 In my copy of Dune: Messiah, there is a foreword from Brian Herbert and it is mentioned there how OUTRAGED many readers (and even the publisher of the magazine which published Dune) were back in the day by Dune: Messiah. I personally think Herbert's intentions with Paul's story are not that subtle in the book, but people clearly had different expectations for some reason. Some of them probably thought that a hero going on a jihad was epic AF, and therefore a good thing, others could have overlooked the warnings in Dune against charismatic heroes...
🍷🧐🎩 I agree with your appraisal of what we "may see" in THE FUTURE OF DUNE. This is a good video essay!
Thank you! Appreciate it.
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I would love to see Neil Blomkamp direct one of the Dune movies also Denny has a brother maybe he could direct some of the later books
It needs to end with: 'because he IS the Queset Saddarach "
'MESSIAH would be a great adaptation!..
Spoilers: best scene I remember reading is a stone burner having been unleashed on Paul's forces, rendering them blind. No expense is spared as Tleilaxu tech is bought to fix them up. Plus, we would witness Face-Dancers and the expanded role of an influential 'Navigator (or is that in Children?)
Face dancers definitely in Messiah and can't remember how influential erdic was in Messiah? Remember him being a bit of a doormat I think 😂
If we can get up to children of dune and have everything come full circle I’ll die happy 😊
I would at least be content to see Denis do exactly this and make through Messiah in three films; assuming this first film is beautiful and amazing and is respectful to the Book (which I think it’s likely too be, I merely remain cautious in my optimism). There are few things I’m not thrilled about but these remain relatively minor and in the realm of the theoretical; until becoming practical, October 22nd, when we see the full vision enacted.
But, I think there’s a certain pleasure in fantasizing about getting the Villeneuve treatment for (at least Books one and two of) the Dune saga, and then, a decade or so later another trilogy of films in the series; and so on until Chapterhouse; or if you must do Hunters and Sandworms, too.
I imagine Denis doing them All would be epic and I’d love it. But, maybe it’s more likely, that another director would do each trilogy? Or, with how it goes today, they go through two or three directors and have “creative differences” (‘Kathleen problems’ is what I vote we call them) before finding one who’s similar enough to corporate or willing to tow their line at the expense of their own creative vision. . .
Anyway, maybe we could get at least 7 films if this happens, and maybe even 9 through Chapterhouse or 12-13 through Sandworms.
I know this is long winded but I love this stuff. Imagine 3 or 4 trilogies of films, each directed approximately a decade to fifteen years apart by another director (hopefully one), bringing the Dune saga from that precarious beginning through the Books' end.
I commented on one of Nerd Cookies’ great recent videos on a certain aspect of current disney Star Wars, I really think this Potential exists. And Dune and Frank Herbert could become The shared cultural and theatrical experience of multiple generations like Star Wars, was, but way deeper, reflective of the relevance and messages and metaphors and social commentary/warning that Frank wrote. George made a tremendous story; but Frank's work is clearly levels ahead. To be fair, this is partly due to George targeting kids.
YES! Absolutely!
Dune Messiah did not felt like a sequel in as much as feel, like a somber Epilogue of the first novel.
....I'm not sure what to make of Children of Dune. (Intermediary to the second trilogy)?
This might sound weird but I hope in part 2 they show the murder of baby leto. It is such a massive moment and if messiah is on the cards they need to include it to show how important leto II connection with Paul is
so thrilled an exited for the upcoming movie (Part 1 and 2). I even would pay for for a 8 hours God Emperor cut, but I am crazy. So yes, knowing how import Messiah is (for Paul and the reader / the audience) I am in
I wanna see a WormGod Leto on screen...sometime...before the rapture
“Paula Tradies”! (As you can see it shown in the closed captions of that Robert Meyer Burnett podcast) Hysterical!🤔😂🤣
Love the art at 1:20. If you remember where you found it, could you point me in the right direction please? I'd love to use it as a desktop wallpaper or something.
I came faster than Hayt when Allya shouts "Hate!".
I really want nothing more than this to be a trilogy. And I don't want it to stop there, even if I am only familiar with the original novel. I'm just so nervous about the box office figures of any movie this year.
In my opinion the book itself was broken up into 2 parts. The first part being the Fall of House Atraides, and the second part being the Fall of House Harconnen. With Messiah itself being the "fall" of Paul himself.
My only concern is that Villeneuve loses his enthusiasm. He seems to enjoy skipping around genres and styles, and I wonder if he might get a bit bored and hand directing duties to someone else for future instalments. I get the feeling that he's a bit of a restless creative type, who will only work on a project that he is really into at that moment. I know he loves the Dune story, but I'm not sure that his restlessness won't push him onto new things sooner than even he might expect.
I also think the length of time it takes to makes these will make him consider whether to continue with it or not. I feel that you're right. He wanted to make more Blade Runner things as far as I know, but even after he finished Dune or was in the process of finishing it, he mentioned how he was tired of having to imagine different designs and looks for each and every thing (this means sci-fi) like a book or a car. He expressed the feeling that he wanted to go back to making simpler films. So we will see what happens!
Really love this idea, and I think what you suggest wld b a great cut for each movie. It wld mirror the kind of ending Frank Herbert himself was good at: ending the current arc yet already opening the new one!
Plus, I can imagine them setting the table for 2 further trilogies: Leto & Odrade/Teg (I honestly dunno which one of those 2 is supposed to be the main protagonist!)I don't care for Brian's works, but I strongly wish to see all of Frank's Dune on the big screen!
Thank you so much that's very kind of you. I'm glad you could understand the type of feel I was going for when I chose those particular cut off points.
@@secretsofdune among all the YT channel about Dune, you are the one, imo, that shows the most subtle and deep understanding of both the masterpiece that the books already are, as well as the anticipated correlation from the movie. In my eyes, you're the most worthy of Frank's vision as well as Denis' meaningful art. Keep going! Improve, but don't change, you're definitely on the right path!
@@questionsroxelane3643 A golden path perhaps! I'm utterly humbled. Your comment and support means so much to me. Thank you! I'll always strive to improve. There is SO much more to come. So much more that I haven't released yet and I hope the best is still to come!
@@secretsofdune then I'm definitely looking forward to it!!! Dune has been my fav book series since I was a teenager, it was a bit like my mentor, my philosophy & life teacher! I was honestly thrilled (and still am!) when I heard that my fellow Montrealer who is also a strong fan and such an amazing director, was gonna make that movie. I hope that it can become the new LotR, with the wisdom on top! And since I discovered your channel, my hype for it didn't ceased to increase!
Anyway, feel free to release all that hidden content when you're ready, we'll definitely be there to watch and appreciate it! I really enjoy that you can bring such a broader look to it than just as a cinema fan, or even a book fan. You seem to have a very interesting background that would be worth sharing more! ;)
I remember years ago when my sister graduated in arts, her chairman was talking about the duty of every artist to act as a mirror to a society to help improve it, and I think it reflects deeply what Frank Herbert was trying to do. Yet, it is such a deep and complex piece of litterature, that it's not everyone that is willing to tackle it. Cinema can broaden the audience willing to dive into it, and the questions he raised decades ago can be brought under light again, especially as they're more relevant than ever!
Even though you've been mostly talking about the adaptation, those ideas permeate your concerns in a subtle way, so I feel that your love of the source material is genuine! So thank you for everything you do!
i'm just hoping they all of the dune books this time i was so into all of the dune movies i just hope the don't lose the feeling it gives you from beginning to the end.
Thanks
I'd say that a Paul Atreides trilogy is pretty likely, though beyond that I think that, even though I would really, really love to see the rest of the books adapted, they just get too complex and convoluted to condense into films. However, seeing as they're so interested in developing the Dune: The Sisterhood miniseries, I don't see it as impossible that they could adapt the remaining four books as a 5 or 6 season TV series (I think 4 would be a little too short cause the last two books are so intricate, and essentially shift around a lot of crucial aspects of the Dune Universe in a way that might be puzzling if it was squashed into one season per book).
Ok i have one question the hbo max show sisterhood of dune is that based on the brian herbert and kevin j anderson books since i have never read those books
I think this both movie's is going to be a cinematic masterpiece. October 22 can't come soon enough ;-) recently re-read all the books and love them such ❤❤❤
i think that a lot hangs on how well dune part 1 does on its opening. and i see 3 scenarios.
1) it goes really bad: we get nothing more. no movie, no series, nothing.
2) it goes just good: we get the second movie and it will end with paul as emperor. ( and after the second, may be we get the series)
3) it goes really good: we get the second and third movies and the series in parallel. (and the second movie will end with paul waking up from the spice trance. )
and if the second and third movies does really well we will have a "childrens of dune adaptation" but i it would be like a dream and not even in my wildest dreams i believe that we would see good emperor of dune but we might get other spinn offs
Good thinking here. I also believe part 2 ending may change due to the scenario/climate of how well the film performs.
There are two time breaks in the first two books, so it wold make a lot of sense to split the two books into 3 movies
@3:06 Think we've already seen an example of added dialogue to enliven character relationships- rarely described lightly in the book. Remarks between Paul and Duncan regarding Paul's undeveloped physique are funny! This was a critique leveled at Lynch's DUNE, that it was devoid of any humor. Any crucial thematic content previously deemed "unfilmable" could be rendered in part, visually! Maybe we've already seen hints of this, too.
I can't wait for the September 16, because this is the premiere date of this film in my country (Ukraine).
Thats a great partizipation the second books ending is perfectly
And i wonder if the third book and the fouth could make the second trilogie because its all Leto ll's story and after that i'm happy and they can stop if they want to:)
Why stop at three movies? There are more books, the story continues... treat it as Harry Potter... I think the recent Star Wars trilogy heavily suffered for the trilogy template.
I hope Dune will become a solid franchise and Denis will keep on going. (So the fans better show up for Part One, but I think they will.) Maybe translate Children of Dune into a miniseries on HBO Max too after Messiah is done. I really love it when Villeneuve takes his time to create atmosphere and mystery.
Its hard to say where the first movie will end, there are so many things left out of the Lynch movie, and who knows what changes Denis will make. I've been telling myself it could be after they escape to the desert, or it could be after Paul takes the water of life. It also interesting as the book introduces Feyd within the first few chapters. I wonder if they will leave all of that out to introduce him later.
An interesting aspect would be if they decide to set up Messiah at the end of film 2 by the reveal of the first Idaho ghola. Momoa is (whether you like it or not) one of the big name draws to casual audiences and it would make sense to have him appear in all the films. It could only be a cameo in film 2 but it would generate interest to see more of him moving into film 3 (and how the hell a dead guy has just reappeared!)
I like this idea too!
So pretty much the way they did the sci-fi channel one in 90s-2000?
I can’t see part 2 ending that short. I get it though it’s a long detailed story but we have to see Paul take the throne.
On the mysterious hajira to the Dune trilogy, we're yet to reach Rossak (October release) and find the medicinal plant that will uncover true understanding lol!
I could easily see them doing Dune Messiah as a movie then, if it’s popular enough, adapt the later books to an HBO Max show.
I could see the first film being split into two movies like most of us know. The third movie would kinda do what the SyFy series did with Children of Dune. The third movie would be the tale end of Dune with parts of Book 3 and the entirety of Dune Messiah. The events of Messiah and the jihad could easily be two movies itself with established characters.
I wonder how the general audience will react to the entire trilogy?
what is the music from the video intro/outro, I looked though all the links the description and couldn't find it.
Unreleased trailer music from the second Dune trailer.
As soon as i finished Dune Messiah I thought that it would make an amazing trilogy. And just recently finishing Children of Dune I think that still stands. It was great but it wasn't Paul's story anymore.
I think the ending to Dune part 2 will heavily rely on how successful part 1 is. If the studio are confident that the audience will come to watch a trilogy, then it may end before the ending on the first Dune book like you said.
Looking forward to starting God Emperor of Dune at some point too
I'm really hoping that part 2 ends with showing at least some scenes of the jihad, so the audience witnesses the brutal implications of Muad'dib's victory. It would be far more fitting ending that Lynch's magical rain ending. It would also be a great segue into Dune Messiah if Denis decides to make that next, and I hope he does. Personally I hope they all do so well that Denis decides to make Children and God Emperor as well, THAT would be beyond exciting.
That being said, I wish people would stop saying the studio is 100% behind Denis. If they were then they'd have let him film both together. I'm sure they're about 75% behind him, though.
I hope your wrong about the pacing. I’m hoping part 1 ends with the birth of Aliyah and part 2 ends where the book ends. Then part 3 can be messiah. It cleans up the child actor thing much easier I think.
Since Dune Messiah is a very short story and thin book the logical way to do this is for the second Dune movie to also incorporate Dune Messiah. Ending with Paul walking out alone into the desert as a blind man.
Dune Part 1, probably the water of life ritual when his prescience takes over and he has romance with chani. Dune pt2 i think would need to be the victory over the emperor, along with Jessica/Chani talking politics, and the very uncomfortable whispering of the fremen and their desire for jihad and following paul as a deity. Part three would be perfect just going over Messiah. However, I think a lot of Messia would be really hard to do ... Hayt and Bijaz and all
I'm sure the director would like to adapt all the 📚 You never know, it may happen.
It’d probs take the rest of his life, but if he’s willing to do it, so be it.
I remembered that Robert Meyer Burnett said that the first idea was to make three movies called : Dune, Dune Prophet and Dune Messiah. A few days ago, another "insider", Chris Gore, said, in a Midnight's Edge stream, the preproduction for part 2 has begun . I think that Denis writing the script ans saying that it could be shoot on 2022 it's a sign that after the Dune release they will announce it.
Yes Robert did say that. I actually would have liked those titles.
@@secretsofdune yes, great titles.
Love your videos but there is no way in hell Dune part 2 ends before the book ends.
I hope you're right. I was going off how where Dune Part One ends which isn't exactly a logical end. I hope we get the full battle in 2 and I hope I am wrong.
I don't ccare if Dune flops, just make the trilogy for the fans! Even if it is a minor series with the same cast 🙏 The sequels just don't have the level of action and tension required for a movie. They're very cerebral and philosophical. Not everyone's cup of tea I guess
Hoping for a trilogy 🙏
Me too! I'd love a Children of Dune adaptation too. That would be insane. Keep up the great work Nick!
I think whatever way it goes over the trilogy, it's centred on casting.. eg Harah is very important in the second half of the book, so the actor cast now for Part One has to be able to carry it off.. if they only choose very well known actors eg for Shaddam IV or Feyd well, they're not the heart of the story.. it could be worth doing a video on the possibilities of who could be cast eg Alia? By that I mean looking back on recent television dramas and maybe spot some contenders.. it might have an impact on casting!?
Did Herbert write Dune Messiah as an epilogue to the original book? Cause it's apparently shorter than the others he wrote, right?
a Villeneuve trilogy would be very good.
More than that would be too much. He has other films
Will we even recognize the characters from Dune part 1 in a Dune part 2 and Dune part 3? what has it been, 2-3 years already since the filming of Dune part 1? By the time Dune part 2 is ready, it will be 4 years? People can change dramatically during that time frame, and that will need to incorporated into the subsequent film's storylines...
I think I'm gonna have to reread Dune Messiah again...
In worried about it though. Everyone take your friends and family. I’m paying for them to go
I think a perfect ending would be children of dune as a film and it should be 3 hours
With the sense of scale that the first seems to give makes it almost unbelievable that Denis can go bigger than that with Messiah, since the scale is bigger in some scenes. But I feel like if we are blessed enough to get part 2 and messiah, then we would just HAVE to have Children of Dune
What about combining Dune Messiah and Children of Dune into one movie like how the Sci-Channel did this with the miniseries.
I think that they could do Dune Messiah in one movie. I don't think that they would need two movies to tell that part of the story.
I agree, but I suspect that they may take the end of the first Dune novel and attach it to Dune Part Three along with the adaptation of Dune Messiah, for example *spoilers* the fight with Paul an Feyd.
The original novel is a great masterpiece, describing an exotic but fascinating world without AI.
Only a superhuman can reign such a universe. However, we already know AI will be able to support and even uplift us all.
As a Hollywood movie, I prefer “Dune” will with a happy ending.
They should do paul of dune on hbo max and then have the main stories be in theaters
So .....its fun to say and get excited about What ifs, maybe and this and thats!! Let's just get the 1st movie out and then we'll can see what happens!!! tata...While I do line of spice!!! loljk
Part 2 has to end with the victory over the Emperor unless it happens at the end of a third part. You can't slip that into the beginning or middle of a movie. Herbert set it up to be a grand spectacle of a finale. The Harkonen are destroyed, the Emperor and his Sardaukar are defeated, the Bene Gesserit and specifically Mohiam are denied their ultimate goal after all their manipulations, the Guild brought to heel and Paul all but coronated with the betrothal of Irulan all in the space of one bad storm. It can only be presented as the climax of a movie.
I hear what you are saying, but where the new Dune movie ends is unconventional. So I wonder if that will be a repeated theme.
@@secretsofdune There seem to be two cuts with different ending points we're hearing about. I think the further in it ends the better because leaving too much for part 2 could be a problem. There is no great ending point elsewhere in the story, I think Paul taking the Water of Life might be a good one. Starting part 2 with Paul in his coma would fit the misguided perception of some that it is Chani's movie. Conversely the final battle is very clearly a strong end point... and it's the actual end of the first book. Remember the books jump YEARS and are well into the Jihad by the time Messiah starts. That time gap could be filled but it's otherwise a huge hole that is best managed by aligning it between films.
1:33 I'd say it's most likely that DV is telling the truth, but I'm still holding out hope for a post-credits scene involving Feyd or Irulan being in the film coming this October. A tidbit for true fans.