Can This 400+ HP Ford Focus ST Actually Beat an RS?! | The $15,000 Difference
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After getting behind the wheel of a modified Ford Focus RS, we were curious as to how a Focus ST would handle similar power, delivered only to the front wheels. Costing an additional $15,000 the Focus RS definitely has features that appeal to the true automotive enthusiast but today we take a look at what is possible when you take the Focus ST savings and create some modifications of your own.
One thing is for certain, this is the fastest FWD car we have ever filmed!
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Garrett GTX2867R
Cobb stage 3
M factory limited slip
Spec clutch
AEM watermeth kit
Injen cat back exhaust
GReddy down pipe
Tial bov
Nitto nt05 tires
TSW Nurmbergring wheels
Built and tuned by Evolution Performance.
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If you thought mustangs were crowd killers, wait till this comes out of a cars and coffee with that torque steer.
actually not that much torque steer, i have a 330hp Fiesta ST and it rides straight under acceleration
Fit a proper quaife lsd and you dont need to worry. Wheres the comparison this video stated?
I've got a 2017 Focus ST and there is virtually no torque steer. The only way the steering wheel jerks to the side when you accelerate is when. You arent holding the steering wheel at all.
Michael Reitz torque vectoring goes to work on these cars
Uhhh...wut? I have a 2018 and there is torque steer. You must not get on it.
So... where's the ST vs RS footage the title clickbaited me with?
right? what a waste of time. get some performance numbers at a track! at the end of the day it is still a wrong wheel drive and will not compare with the RS.
how fast is that car 0-60/0-100? how's the cornering with the better tires?
100% agree. Was thinking about trading my ST for an RS but this video did nothing for me lol
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Roads Untraveled the video you linked is to a video you made of a modified RS. If this video was to answer the question “is a modified ST better/faster than an RS?” Then my question is what benefit would it be for us to see a review of a modded RS?
so where does the title state it's going toe to toe with an RS ?
He doesnt actuallly race a focus rs just talks the whole time.
Saved me time
Thank you.
Does he ever talk about the mods and pros and cons? All I hear is “it just feels amazing and sounds great.”
your title is misleading
I have an ST2 Focus, bought it with 77 miles and within 1 year i put on 43k Miles....it’s just too damn fun!!!
Your editing is going to another level.👍👍
I have a daily driver Ford F-150 ecoboost single cab regular bed truck and I love it and the other Fords are also great. My heart is with my sr20det powered Nissan 240sx but the Focus ST and RS are so beautiful.
All these people commenting gti is better and lighter and blah blah blah. Sure it may be faster stock turbo and mod for mod can’t knock it there. However, the focus st is cheaper to buy and maintain and also is WAYYY more fun to drive than the gti. The gti is bland and not nearly as playful as the ST which makes it fun and entertaining, where the gti is just bleh. I guess different strokes for different folks but I’d rather have the more involving and entertaining car.
Agreed. The GTI fanboys are annoying.
Samuel Wu definitely not knocking the mk7 gti because they’re damn fast with minimal mods, but they’re just boring to drive imo. I’ve driven quite a few and used to have a FBO e30 tuned focus ST myself and even though it may have been like a car length or two slower to 120mph from a roll it was still so much more fun. Probably would’ve eaten the gti up on a track which is what they were designed for lol
Chasing Adventures Only in the US. The Focus and Fiesta are still available in Europe.
Chasing Adventures I have a Fist and I freaking love it. I had a buddy show me a consumer report of a Fiesta and told me they're not highly regarded or highly rated but I let him know the ST is totally different. That German engineering
Brandon Cardoso Well said, i honestly agree with you in the aspect of fun, but he said it in the video, its still an american hatchback, all the interior is cheap. I would rather live with my more expensive refined german car. Which if you put it on even lowering springs and an anti roll bar in the rear, is just as playful in the corners at a focus st, guaranteed. And this guy has probably spent about $5000 in mods to get this car to 360whp, where the same amount of money could get my car up to the neighborhood of 470whp. In the grand scheme of things, volkswagen is better.
Great video. I liked the intro and the video overall. I for one did not click on this looking for a drag race video like most others assumed. I've driven an ST1 for the last 5 years. I will say I should have gotten the ST3 with the Recaros.
Good sound on this video man. The mix is perfect.
The production quality!
Basically same setup as mine. I'm running a gtx 2867r gen 2 and pushing 375 fwhp on e30. Very fun and definitely way worth the money for the big turbo vs the stock. Makes the car much more drivable.
Not trying to hate but it’s sucks you had to go e30 to make that power I can’t do anything other then 93 or I’ll make to much power and blow my motor 2014 gen owner
The focus ST has the better engine , specially for performance! Now if you use the 2.0 ST block with 2.3 internals and a 2.3 cylinder head you have yourself a super monster on the street !
Is that what the 2.3 stroker kit is?
@@mediocrefloridaman yes
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Image quality on point!!!!! Well done
Im getting my focus st in two weeks same color cant freaking wait !!!
Best focus st review in CZcams!
I was expecting head to head battle between the ST and RS. "Son, I'm disappoint."
that's hilarious, now i have to start listening to ur podcast lol
Nice review. I have a MK6 GTI with the same turbo making 485hp. Great little turbo.
Love the fact I bought my 2016 ST3 for $18500 used with only 3000 miles on it. Works perfectly. Pilot Sport 4S. Amazing daily driver. Only down side is the insanely small gas tank. I found that ethanol free fuel gets 4-7 mpg better along with no misfires. Ethanol fuel absolutely causes misfire, esp when cold and at idol. To get rid of the drone, delete the sound symposer. So much better.
Haha! First other person to enjoy that gas tank! Lol
I can’t even buy an st3 with 3000 let alone for 18k it’s like 26k now probably
Lucky I bought my 2017 st3 58,000 in this shit market for 21,000
Amazing production!
First thing you should do before putting any extra power in the ST is replacing the open differential with a Quaife or M-Factory ATB limited slip diff. It sorts out the torque steer and front traction very well indeed. Also, on mine, I upgraded the flywheel and clutch to the RS spec ones which are rated at 600NM of torque. The standard ST ones are much less than that
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@@loueb4 no worries fella. It really does make a remarkable amount of difference, I mean that! Before I had the diff I found the torque steer mildly terrifying at times - after the diff, it was as if it was nearly all gone, and, front end traction was HUGELY improved as well. I changed out the clutch and flywheel at the same time given that having the transmission taken off and looked at is expensive... so killed two birds with one stone without attracting any extra labour after the gearbox had been separated from the engine 😉 also, now my power is up over 290bhp... the diff is still just as effective as when the power was down at 250bhp
How hard was the install? Or how much did you pay to have it installed? Thank you!
@@mediocrefloridaman I literally just had mine done in Austalia. Clutch kit 1.8k, LSD 1.2k, install 1.5k. 4.5k all up, I imagine US probs be like 3 or less?
Also: DISABLE THE PDC USING FORSCAN. Most of the ST's torque steer can be fixed with that being disabled.
Now THIS is how you make a video about the Focus ST! Boss move kid!
Great video. I have a 2016 st just with the cobb stage 1 living in California I don’t want to do to much but even with the simple stuff it is a good platform for the money and a great daily
Excellent video!!!!!
The c5 reference? I always watch these reviews. I had to exit out on that reference lol. I’ll come back for another vid soon.
I bought a 2016 ST3 focus ( Fully leather recaros etc..) over and RS because I felt like I was frankly getting 80% of the car for $10k less. I don't regret it at all, considering the 2.0 block is closed deck and doesn't have the reliability issues of the RS.
Also - stop with the torque steer, it's hardly even noticeable unless the road surface is really uneven, in my experience
Boom!! Someone knows what they are talking about!! The 2.0ST block is much better then the 2.3block, and the ST platform has a lot more after market and performance potential then the 2.3 by far! The RS is definitely a rip off compared to ST , only thing RS has that it has going for it is the AWD
Looks sooo good 🥰
I had those rims on my old regular mazda 3 in gunmetal grey!! they're my fav of all time. gonna get them on my speed 3 soon
1:31 camera man in the background walking like a grandma 😂
Need more😍😍
I'm not a Focus's fan, however this car I loved
that filming / editing is fkkn amazing ! love the intro a lot
Like for the editing
Yeah - those Recaros are -very- comfy. I love mine in my 2016 ST.
Go test drive the 2019 Fiesta ST that is actually the last of the ST lines for the United States and give a review of your thoughts on it
I miss mine a bit such a good handling car sold it for my g35 twin turbo it's getting work done.
You say it can beat an RS with almost half the price but you don’t say how much money was invested in it and how useless is the power considering torque steer
or how it handles, or how reliable that power is, or how that power gets put down (my guess not as well as the awd in RS). I drive my ST knowing the RS is the better setup. Thats why the 35k MSRP. I'm ok with it:)
There’s zero torque steer, it handles great just like a stock ST does around corners but better as I’ve added a full damond motor mount kit and tb performance traction bars. I have injen2 255 35r 18 tires and they hook decently first isn’t that great though. The car has been re tuned by a man named Brian Tyson at JST performance in the UK. It now makes more power than when I got it but I haven’t dyno’d it. I was not the original owner of this car.
Nice job editing.
Bro you deserve way
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why is every "journalist" scared of torque steer... jesus, its fwd! its literally controllable with throttle and keeping the wheel straight as your tires spin. go mat a 450hp turbo supra in 2nd gear see if you come out of that alive.. modern day car enthusiasts will be the death of car culture. i remember when having a 350whp srt4 was a godsend. now a days every one crys that it might be to much to "handle" gimme a break.
I agree. While I do own an RS, I also have a twin turbo 68 Chevelle SS. New cars come with ABS, traction control, and electronic stability control that makes it almost impossible to accidentally get the car sideways if you don't want to. Mine has over 2x the hp than this one and doesn't even have power steering.
Just bought an '18 ST3 for 23k. Super excited to get her to 400.
So is it a stock turbo? No way the stock turbo can reach 360whp, they're only good for 290whp max.
Same thought.
I thought these were 300whp max with meth. And it's also only got a 2.5 inch down pipe and maybe a catted down pipe also? Maybe he meant close to 360bhp but More like 333bhp.
It's been awhile since I've been in a focus st but the turbo does sound like it spools a little slower than stock so many it is a upgraded one.
I mean, you can really push it to that with just an ethanol blend if you want but it's kind of pointless. I know JST tuning made 306whp on their track car, to actually make that power you kind of need all the right conditions (Close to sea level, cool weather..). These small turbos have no more efficiency above 290whp & end up with a dead top end because the turbo has nothing more to give.
I have an st and I’m part of many st groups no way stock turbo makes 360hp and 2.5” dp to 3” exhaust so stock dp 360 torque maybe
Those Recaros look very similar in construction (not necessarily finish) to those in the hot Audis from a few years ago (S4, RS4). That drone would get old in about 2.2 minutes though.
I wouldn't consider this car an "American hatchback". It is definitely a European hatchback.
100% European DNA from start to finish. ST MK1 born in Europe early 2000 and currently MK4 ST only selling in Europe. Americans were blessed to experience the MK3 ST German hot hatch
Love the sound of it
CZcams once again took away the notification button. Had to rehit it again.
On a side note; beautiful countryside. Where was this filmed?
Mate this is 100% European DNA from start to finish. ST MK1 born in Europe early 2000 and currently MK4 ST only selling in Europe. Americans were blessed to experience the MK3 ST German hot hatch
You should have gotten the Mountune Exhaust, dude. No drone like COBB and just as much power ;)
Love this cAr
Them transitions
Holy crap. I want one.
Cool car. I'm really loving these hot hatches from Ford. With that said, do these exhaust systems really add much hp. If it didn't hinder performance too much, I personally would do stock or mild exhaust. I think they sound awful with crazy loud exhaust. Like an angry fart coming down the road.
On some cars the exhaust is very restrictive but that's becoming less common on modern performance cars. On the Focus ST the stock exhaust is just fine until you start getting at or above 400 horsepower and you see no performance improvement by changing the exhaust on an otherwise stock ST. I've left the stock muffler on my '17 ST and just removed the factory resonator for slightly more growl (look up "Focus ST resonator delete" on YT for an example). I didn't want it too loud because I prefer to hear the turbo spooling and bypass valves PSHHH on this car much more. Helps to stay stealth when you have a little fun out on the road too. Being a quiet Gray Focus hatchback, cops never give my car a second look.
im dealing with this same decision. i own a 2013 st 4 more years till payed off but i cant decide if i want to pay it off few years early trade it in for an rs or modify the st
Those wheels are sweet
Single turbo IS300.
is300 very underrated platform. Try to get your hands on one for a review. 2jz plus manual plus RWD...
Being a BC car - I bet this thing has gotten VI'd by now for the noise. VPD is on a blitz right now. Sick car though - would love to build something similar.
This is my exact car 😘😘😘 402a package and all. He trys to hate on this car but you just cant.
Very nice car.
Basically have the same setup down the the turbo and ya its amazing but you can't beat AWD, which I loved in a prior Sti and WRX I've owned.
Will you guys do a Saab 9-3 Turbo X review? Preferably one with more power? Saab’s are amazing cars.
every saab ive ever been in smell the exact same. and i ran a valet company for maybe 6 years so ive been in alot. all of them smell like leather gloves. rly good. i drove a turbo X and took it out for maybe 15 minutes and it was a really fun car. it wasnt fast fast by any means but it had plenty of power for what it does. great car
Damn Ford makes nice vehicles.
Hello can you tell me what kind rims you have and where can I buy that I like to buy the same like yours thank you
How do you get the power down
The most interesting thing to see it run like 0 200 and no one ever does this, just trash talking and filming how it passes by....
Ayy I got the same shift knob.
Got a ford focus car buyer ad during this smh
Good video. Counterpoint, though, I got a 2017 RS new off the lot for 38k. With that you get AWD, bigger motor, bigger turbo, better steering, better suspension, bigger brakes, and no torque steer. With just a livernois tune it makes 340hp and 424 ftlbs of tq to the ground. With all of those modifications on the ST the price goes up a significant amount. I know I am voting for the car I already own so there is some bias there, but I argue that the RS is a better value ride.
JST KSK torque steer was never 100 percent addressed, the powers is transferred to where the power is need so it creates a whole bunch of torque steer especially on hard launches
And gear shifts
@@ruffer23411 I disagree. The active torque vectoring system is pretty advanced and prevents torque steer by shuffling the torque to non steering tires. There are multiple videos where this is demonstrated where an RS driver stomps the accelerator without holding the wheel and the car goes straight. I own one and can confirm that there is no detectable torque steer with this car. Edit: non steering not non drive
JST KSK it’s all in your experience with the car I guess, I’m sure the Chanel’s in the road didn’t help while it was fighting itself to go straight, made it sort of unpleasant
JST KSK deff a little more exciting too haha I was giggling like a school child the way the thing was fighting back and forth
@@ruffer23411 Yeah, I can see what you mean. It isn't without it's foibles. I have got the weird pull when passing on a 2 lane highway, but I associate that more with the ESC overcompensating for the crown in the road. I think it mostly has to do with the oversized and tiny sidewalled tires following grooves in the road like you were saying more than torque steer since it doesn't happen when I stomp it from a stop. Definitely a fun car, though!
Any idea on what wheels and what exhaust it's running.
Carl Maratta listed in the description :)
There are still a lot of options the RS has over a mod/tuned ST. For example, the RS's suspension in sport and track mode is awesome! WHen you shift to track mode the car's pc engage and hypes everything up including the throttle. When driving and switching to track mode I can feel the throttle jumps with a boost of power! The mod/tuned ST will never match the Drift Mode that the RS has! This is the secret weapon that Golf R, STI, and Type R can only stand on the sideline and envy! Just think if the Golf R and Type R added a Drift Mode, Can you imagine the increase in the price! Ford did it and without it being pricey! Save the thousands you would spend to buy a Focus ST-3 and buy a base model RS. To be honest, the RS is just like any car that may not be affordable for some people, but that no reason to trash it by calling it too expensive! If the RS is in your price range, get it! Trust me, you totally love it!
Nah, I'll stick with my $18,375 '18 ST1 and will do complete suspension & sway bar upgrade. Big turbo & e30 tune. I might be at $25k all in.
Awd vs fwd mmmm tuff one lol.
I love that shift knob where can I get it
RICARDO MEDINA cj pony parts of you haven’t found it already, I love mine
FYI Tuned ST (250-270fwhp) will sit neck and neck with a stock RS - on a roll. Extra weight and drivetrain loss doesn't help the RS even with 350bhp. Vid on my channel
Cobb stage 3 tune? big turbo did i hear that right or was that a mistake
You can do low 13 high 12s with a stock turbo bigger turbo definitely low 12s maybe high 11s
Only reason I looked at the comments was to find this reply. I laughed when he said low 13 high 12s.
What turbo does this car have?
I have a stage 3 2014 e30 tuned and the stock k03 maxes out at just shy of 300 whp wmi or not.
Also if the exhaust is turbo back it’s a 3” downpipe not 2.5”.
You should have hooned a bit more. The lift off oversteer is trademark for the focus st. The car rotates beautifully.
Nah, I got a good friend in Baton Rouge with a 2.5 inch downpipe with an adapter going to a 3 inch exhaust
I have not look after my van as should but cars I have done
Just want know what gas pedal spacer it use, very good position.
It doesn’t have a spacer on it.
what do you mean by compromise anything but the exhaust?
Looks like a load of fun for the money spent, but FWD is always going to be the limiting factor restricting mechanical grip, so need to be realistic that it's not ever going to beat an RS.
Do you have a patreon, or somewhere we can support the channel??
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It’s a shame that ford discontinued fost and fist. Used to Owned a fist and was a blast to drive .
im concerned with hearing on a stage 3 cobb tune... doesnt sound like its big turbo... sooooooooo how is it making 360 wheel?
Thought you were going to race. Sad, still like your show
What’s the exhaust system size?
I love my focus st don’t get me wrong but I would definitely buy a new mustang or pick up truck before I buy another focus. Especially for 15 grand more than I paid for my st
I'm going to be straight-up honest I don't believe Ford pushes the emblem hard enough with their vehicle what I'm looking for them in the future is to think outside the box more
I need one
Exhaust sounds a little to ricer. I would go with Borla. My 2016 ST is a blast to drive and it only has Roush CAI and Fswerks shift bracket. Stock tune so far.
Godzukidan It has 0 rice to it the exhaust setup on that st sounds amazing
Ford should absolutely make the Fiesta RS, with the same power as the Focus ST but in the body of a fiesta, for a premium of course
What exact type of st is that?
Well guys I'm sorry to say i haven't race a fast ST or RS yet. They are nice looking cars and sound nice but i have not found a ST or RS fast enough to beat me yet. I have race tune RS's with bigger turbo's they keep up for a little then it's over.
Might as well get an RS after buying that for 28k and putting 10k in mods in it. Just for resell value at that point. Since the focus st costs the same as the fiesta on the used market lol
More like 15k and 3500 in mods lol, 10k your lookin at 600whp
Now here's the question you like to compare it to your mr2...why don't you compare it to that.
we are 8 minutes in and I'm not seeing a race against an RS
Mazdaspeed 3 the best hatch mainly cause of the torque steer makes them fun to drive
Agreed