I watched Final Fantasy VII Advent Children for the First Time... (FF7 AC Reactions)
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I fell in love with 7 Remake back in 2020 and recently fell in love all over again with FF7 OG. I decided when I got to VII in my playthrough I'd be doing the whole compilation, so here we go with FFVII Advent Children (Complete). Hope you enjoy the reaction, it feels strange finally knowing what happens in 7 and delving into the compilation stuff. I know these stuff is very divisive and some people love it while others hate it. My plan is to just form my own opinion and take it as it comes.
Due to copyright, and trying my best to work around it, the editing is slightly different, from a smaller window of the footage, to slight transparency and frequent cuts. Although I tried my best to make it as watchable as possible all the same, Square are just RELENTLESS with copyright on this thing.
Starting Dirge on stream soon which I'll turn into a video, followed by Crisis Core. Thanks for all the recent support, loads more good stuff to come!
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00:00 - Intro/What I know about Advent Children
02:02 - Thank you/Update on FF video plans
04:52 - Advent Children Reaction
27:30 - Mini Review/Outro
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Advent Children was my introduction into the series, I would watch this movie over and over again without actually knowing where the characters are from or who they are, I was a kid so it just mesmerised me with the CGI which still looks good and was unbelievable to me at the time.
Same. Then I got Crisis Core recommended to me by a friend. I fell in love with FFVII ever since. I never played the OG FFVII so playing Remake was pretty fresh to me. Can't wait for CC Reunion and FFVII Rebirth!
@@vc7415 play the original you wont be disappointed
Same 100%!
Then u play the first game and its all blocks lol
Same!!! A little kid enthralled with it all, looking at how beautiful and powerful every character is.
"I still don't get Cait Sith"
Reeve remotely controls a robotic toy cat with a scottish accent which shouts commands through a megaphone to a giant stuffed toy moogle which is apparently alive somehow, while also reading people's incredibly inaccurate fortunes. He does this all while managing a full time position as the head of Urban development at Shinra Inc.
What's not to get? Seems like a pretty run of the mill character to me 🤪
Pretty sure he was talking about the screams and fear Cait Sith express while fighting.
He also controls Cait Sith remotely who controls a Reeve dummy suit in Dirge of Cerberus.
Do people really can’t read sarcasm lmao
Reeve needs more love. Dude started out shady but came thru in the end and did all while trying to limit the losses of gya haha and mwa haha’s scenes lol
I always had a theory that the accent was Reeve's actual accent, but in order to sound more professional he learned to talk like everyone else. This happens a lot in real life.
"Have they ever apologized on social media about that?" Bro I died there 🤣
“I was a different person when I dropped that plate” 💀
That ending theme in the Church is the first time Cloud has had a theme, the composer said. It used to be the theme of Final Fantasy 7, but Nobuo Uematsu found that he deserved his own when Clouds arc was completed in this film.
Very interesting
It’s also the primary impetus behind a novel called, “on the way to a smile,” but he original game’s writer, and it’s titled “Cloud Smiles.”
Sephiroth's "I will never be a memory" line makes me think that Remake is him going back in time to try to change history so that he won't die in the end.
That's exactly what is. Remake is a sequel and now that the whispers of fate have been warded off, anything could happen. We already have 3 people who were dead in the OG game, who are now alive in remake.
@@Michelle-DiPalo No, it isn't ... it is a remake of memories. Not of time. Time has 0 to do with VII. Memories has all to do with VII.
@@Cetra29 Remake is a sequel bro lmfao
@@vlinnstone6919 They didn't say it wasn't, they said it was about memories more than time. Memories are a huge part of the world of FFVII.
@@Cetra29 You're actually wrong. It's a sequel and Sephiroth is attempting to to alter the timeline. Grogy is right. You would know this if you played the game.
The dog is a wolf, a ‘lone wolf’ to be precise, and represents how Cloud is meant to be a pack animal but has cut himself off from his found family that could help help pull him out of his guilt and depression. Note how his outfit has a medallion of a wolf on the shoulder, and his motorcycle is named ‘Fenrir.’ Like many of Cloud’s visions of Aerith, the wolf is meant to be a metaphorical presence, not a literal flesh-and-blood one.
Interesting note: the only vision of Aerith that is theorized to be ‘real’ is the final one at the church, the rest are all just Cloud’s imagination. Bittersweet to realize that even as he torments himself with guilt over her loss, his imagined projections of her still refuse to blame him. And to twist the knife a little more, her face is not shown in his imagined projections of her, possibly because Cloud doesn’t think he actually deserves to see her again. Thus, when she actually appears for real at the end and smiles at him, he smiles back, showing that he’s finally achieved peace and closure.
Overall, the plot is a little weak, the English voice-acting is uhhh… lacking… in some parts, but the fights are so gorgeous and I enjoy the theme of finding closure, overcoming one’s guilt, and finding joy in life again. That exchange near the end of the final fight hits so hard.
Sephiroth: “Tell me what you cherish most. Give me the pleasure of taking it away.”
Cloud: “You just don’t get it at all. There’s not a thing I *don’t* cherish!”
To hear this from guy who spent the whole film moping about and avoiding his loved ones shows that he’s really picking up the pieces.
I might have to pick up the complete version now, as I really like the added scenes I glimpsed in your video.
Or, ya know, it's Zack's reincarnation.
All the visions are real. She leaves him a voicemail on his phone and all the phones in Midgar Edge ring off the hook because Aerith is calling the children to gather at the church.
Reminds me of that song "Jesus is Calling"
Also when Cloud jumps at Behamut, Aerith is reflecting off his eyeballs. Your imagination doesn't reflect back off your eyeballs like a mirror 😊
Idc what anyone says I will always love this movie 😭 everyone wearing a red ribbon to honor their fallen friend always gets to me
The ribbon also is the game's best accessory, making them immune to all negative status effects.
Same! I love this movie. It's my favorite. ♡ I personally love it a lot
Jenova is a mimetic lifeform, based on "The Thing." Not only can she mimic other lifeforms (both appearance and memories), she can infect them with her cells and transform them into copies of herself, and her cells always try to reunite with the main body. Sephiroth inherited those abilities as her "son," which is why all the Sephiroth Copies started to look like him and tried to reunite at the Northern Cave.
Every time Sephiroth dies his cells become part of the Lifestream again, and when the Lifestream emerged to stop Meteor at the end of FFVII, the people it passed through became infected with his cells. That's what Geostigma is; the people thought it was a curse from the Planet, but it was actually Sephiroth's cells infecting everyone so he could try and do another Reunion. The Remnants are lifeforms he created in the Lifestream from his own cells and the memories / appearances of dead souls, since he didn't have enough strength to come back in his true form yet.
There is a prequel novel ("The Kids Are Alright: A Turks Side Story") that tells the story of Kadaj's creation and his first attempt to recover Jenova, which ultimately failed and prompted Sephiroth to produce two more Remnants. Some of the new characters in Remake, (Kyrie, Leslie, and Mireille) were originally from that novel. It's less of an action story and more about Kadaj using his mimetic powers to impersonate and trick other characters while seeking Jenova's remains.
I am forever sad, after reading the novel, that the movie barely showcased any of the Remnant's powers. The horror elements are damn near nonexistent here.
You missed the fact that Sephiroth's will is the reason he became the dominant personality in the whole Jenova thing; his will and conscience was so friggin' strong that he began controlling Jenova's cells and powers like his own.
My favorite part was when Sephiroth showed up and said it's sephing time and sephed all over the place, Advent Children is truly the movie of all time.
Best moment, iconic
I'm dead bro 🤣
I’m dying 🤣
nah dood, doesn't work here
@@blondafro4112 my bad.
The whole key to ffvii and the remake is jenovas mimic ability and how it can affect those injected with jenova cells. Its how Cloud was able to take Zack's persona for much of the original game
The ending always chokes me up, him seeing Aerith & Zack as they fade into the light and reminding him he isn’t alone.
Yeah…which is a damn shame that the movie isn’t good; sure it has great moments but when factoring in the entire movie..yeah no.
@@bradhorowitz2765 Maybe for todays standards.. Because when this shit came out back in the day, EVERYONE was talking about it! I watched it several times! The cgi in this was good af for its time
@@alexrodrigues349 j was referring to the story. The story is…meh. So my CNN awkward dialogue and moments that jsut make you scratch your head. I mean yeah ff WANTED this movie because it was the first time the story would have voice actors portrayed in a movie. That’s exciting. Still much like the rest of the ff compilation up until remake, the quality declined. Even the kingdom hearts series actually distanced itself from ff7
Back in the day I used to hate this movie and only like the action scenes, but as time went on and other members in community pointed out the themes AC is going for I started to more lean towards actually liking it. IMO the first half is a bit weird actually. Scenes just kinda end like cutscenes with no gameplay between them and I think movie actually comes on it's own half way through. Themes of AC are harder to notice on first watch, but once you realize them it starts to make sense. Even Nomura thinks it can be a boring movie if your not looking out for stuff.
Regarding questions you had.
Let's start with Rufus. The way he survived is under his fathers desk was a button that opens a door under the desk for emergency. President installed it after Rufus when he was a kid to try to impress his father pointed out that there should be a hidden door for escape. President Shinra laughed at him, but he actually listened and installed it. After what happened with Midgar he get's saved and goes through arc that changes his views, but during this time he get's infected by geostigma.
Geostigma is corrupted souls in lifestream by Jenova. Remember in Remake she uses it in one of the phases.
The Sephiroth remenants are clones of Sephiroth and each has some trait of Sephiroth. One is pretty, other is a mommy boy stuff like that.
They come from the crater after Shinra was investigating it at the start of the movie. Nomura intentionaly made them pathetic like that, because they are just incomplete clones. Next time your playing Remake pay attention to the weapons three whispers at the end of the game have.
The wolf is called Fenrir. He follows Cloud around the places that are important to him and he represents his regrest and guilt. Aerith and Zack literally live inside Cloud as memories that he can't let go because he blames himself and wants forgivnes and now that he's happy he's afraid he can lose important things to him again. The idea is Cloud needs to forgive himself. When he get's over this the wolf dissapears and he let's Aerith and Zack go.
Yes the final battle in Remake is made to remind the battle in AC, but it goes deeper then that. It's actually the final 2 battles of OG. You fight Harbinger Sephiroth(in english he was called Bizzaro Sephiroth) by swithching parties and taking out different parts of his body then you fight Sephiroth himself, but the difference in Remake is instead of numbers of your party getting less it's reverse. The power is coming together. Everyone comes together to fight Sephiroth and in Remake when Cloud tries to kill Sephiroth after chasing him down the lifestream he can't do Omnislash, Sephiroth block every attack.
And the most interesting one Sephiroth. So when he died he let lifestream to just swallow his memories thinking he doesn't need them, but then he realized that without memory of who he was he can't reform himself on the surface and the only one who still has connection to him is Cloud. That one small part of Sephiroth that's still in Cloud is how he's still alive and if Cloud dies so will he. This obviously goes into Remake in really cool way I don't wanna spoil now.
I hope I cleared up some stuff. After watching this I recommend checking out the Sephiroth trailer for Smash Bros if you haven't seen it.
The Sephiroth remnants are not clones ... they are straight up souls he found in the Lifestream which he connected to himself. OtWtaS explains that.
And the Edge if Creation clash is not an Omnislash. AC Complete has an Omnislash.
I shared a loud laughter when he said "Oh wow, it's Axel" to Reno ahaha so good
After the second reference, I was rolling my eyes.
Advent children is definitely one of the movies of all time
It’s objectively a film I’ve seen
Keep in mind that some of the Zack appearances were new to the Complete version of the film, which came out AFTER Crisis Core. I would suggest on your own time, once you're done with Crisis Core, revisit the Zack scenes of this movie.
Yes and then record your reaction so we can enjoy your tears..... Seriously though Crisis Core is great and a remake is coming so a good excuse to visit it.
The wolf. Fenrir, a brownish-gray timber wolf that appears several times in Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children, is seen as a symbol of Cloud's loneliness and his guilt for the deaths of two of his friends: Aerith Gainsborough and Zack Fair, as well as for his other failures.
-courtesy of wiki fanbase
The Sephiroth fight reminds you of remake because remake is a sequel to advent children. The Sephiroth you fight at the end of remake has already been through the original game and advent children.
So are you saying that ff7r takes place in an alternate universe alongside the original game? What are you basing that on? Very interesting
@@-solidsnake- Have you... played Remake? While obviously nothing has been outright stated yet, it's pretty damn heavily implied that Remake isn't the first time through for many of the characters.
Full story spoilers for Remake below.
Cloud's first time meeting Aerith in the Church, _he has a flashback to her death!_ And a lot of the stuff that Sephiroth and Aerith say really make it seem like they both have knowledge they shouldn't.
Heck, that's why the Whispers exist! They're literally trying to enforce the canon storyline on the world, and they appear any time something might threaten that. The whole fight at the end of Remake that ends with their destruction means that the world can go in a new direction, not tied to the old canon.
That's why the first primary scene we see _after_ the destruction of the Whispers is Zack _surviving_ his final stand. We see the exact same scene from Crisis Core, which is Cloud's past, where Zack dies fighting Shinra to save Cloud.
Only, after the Whispers are defeated, and Fate is unbound, Zack manages to win. Zack's death was a pivotal moment in the old story, and him moving forward with Cloud _alive_ is a major flag that this isn't the same story anymore.
Heck, it's the final line of the story of Remake! "The UNKNOWN journey will continue". If it's the same world, following the canon story, how is the journey "unknown"?
@@Acorn_Anomaly wa wa wow thanks for the insight
@@-solidsnake- Also, check out the FF7 novels from the Compilation era. Basically, there are 2 active Sephiroths. The first is the original one in the northern crater. The second (who is tormenting cloud in remake) tore a hole in reality and traveled back 500 or so years in the past. Aerith (more what was left of her fading self in the life stream) followed him back and merged/passed on her memories to her past self. This is why Aerith knew not only who, but also where, Marlene was during the sector 7 plate incident despite no one mentioning her before to Aerith. She also imparted everyone's future battle memories right before the final battle. (Everyone suddenly has their end game/advent children moves known.)
The creators of the game have also come to say that it is in fact a sequel and "Remake" doesn't necessarily mean that it's a newer version of the game, but it's Sephiroth trying to rewrite the events of the past in game so that he will be victorious. The Whispers are there to keep everything on track, but once defeated, anything can happen in the games to come.
I just always assumed Reeve is just really into roleplaying and commits hard to being Cait Sith
That’s my head canon
Whenever Cloud gets a blue glow around him that's a signal he's using a Limit Break technique like Braver or Blade Beam. At the end of the movie he did try to use his original Omnislash, and Sephiroth, the genius fighter he is, countered it knowing what to expect since it was already used on him once. The multi sword attack at the end is Cloud's newest version of Omnislash (version 5).
You might have realized at the end of FF7 Remake that Cloud also tried to use his original Omnislash on Sephiroth but was completely blocked and countered as well, because Sephiroth due to time shenanigans knew how to do so, and Cloud had not yet created new versions of Omnislash yet.
I love every scene with Aerith... it feels like the closure they both (her and Cloud) needed.
Why are people thinking about shipping even when there's no shipping involved?
The movie is about Cloud finding relief from his guilt. The only closure is his final happiness.
@@laurajanco2i mad i saw this comment so late. But It doesn't have to be about a romantic relationship. They never dated after all despite the chemistry so... But they still went threw a lot together and she died young, right in front of him. There was no proper goodbye. All this assuming this lifestream Aerith, of course.
@@MiguelAldanotes I say that since I see too many people misinterpreting their friendship for something more (which was at the end just on Aerith's part), thinking that Cloud is pining for her, while his problem in Advent Children is about him, starting after two years from the OG game, to fall again into depression, while he can't enjoy anymore his life, family and friends, because of the guilt he feels for Zack and Aerith's deaths.
What has been between Cloud and Aerith, was the Planet and the connection they have with Zack, with Cloud's promising to him and to himself to take care of her (promise he couldn't fullfill and that's how we get to AC).
@@laurajanco2i I like and respect their friendship a lot actually; despite the fact that I believe them to have a strong enough chemistry for a romantic relationship. That being said, Cloud was both mentally/emotionally unavailable. Also, Aerith was clearly aware of this AND was tied to her planetary duties so a relationship would've felt forced. So I actually love that Aerith simply paved the way for Cloud to open up and be available for his eventual relationship with Tifa.
I think he already came to terms with that in the original game.
I legit laughed out so loud when you imitated red “ there are still children with the stigma! “ 💀! It wasn’t bad but after remake i can’t look back at that 😂
I loved this movie when it came out. I own 3 copies of it; the original dvd release, the complete copy, plus the copy my wife had when she moved in with me. I agree, it's not the best in terms of film making by any stretch of the imagination, but I can't help but enjoy it. Can't wait for your playthroughs for the other games!
The one thing that drove me crazy when I watched this was that they used a fucking BLUE materia to summon.
😂😭
Thanks for sharing your ffvii experience, waiting for more! :D
The biggest issue is that there is an entire book that serves as a prelude to the movie! Where they explain the whole Kadaj and Sephiroth thing
In case you're lost on it check the Final Fantasy Wikia for Kadaj where you have all the details in order, you can also search "remnants" for results on the infection
Also there's a lot of similarities between the movie and Remake! The three Ghosts that the Harbinger of Fate summons at the end are the Kadaj gang, just like one of the Sephiroths in the Remake has knowledge of the events in the movie!
When you mention that the Sephiroth fight resembles too much the remake ending, yes you're right, that's exactly what they were trying to accomplish. This remake is gathering all the FF7 compilation into one single installment. Just something to think about.
The remake is a sequel to advent children as well.
@@ihurtmyarm yup. You fight kadaj loz and yazoo in the remake ending
Which is a stupid idea on the most basic of conceptual levels. Let's add all of the stuff that got a bad reception to the original game which had a great reception.
@@raveoreynolds6049 I see it as more of a "let's take that stuff what wasn't received as well as the original game and try to improve people's opinion on it"
@@raveoreynolds6049 i think the bad storytelling and pacing of advent children is what most people didn’t like, not the fighting. And it’s important for the new games to include references to everything because the different timelines are all important and need to come together.
First off, great videos and it’s been a blast watching somebody experience this amazing journey for the first time again. I still remember all of my first time emotions to this story. Lifestream White and Lifestream Black (short novellas about Sephiroth and Aerith in the Lifestream between FFVII and Advent Children) will clear a lot of things up for you. I cannot wait for the Crisis Core play through. Keep killing it man! Love the content!
PS: It’s important to note (especially for Remake) that the “500 years later” scene at the end of FFVII is completely devoid of the human race (which has been confirmed by the devs/writers). So at the end of Remake while you’re fighting the giant whisper Harbinger (Jenova) and Nanaki sees that scene and says “This is what happens if we fail today”, it adds A TON of context.
Yeah, I knew you'd tear up every time Aerith's theme played from now on
Your second play of remake is gonna get ROUGH
Loving the content man! Keep it up!
I really enjoyed watching your reaction!! I watched all ff7-related videos and I would say I like your honest opinion! sir! you got yourself a new fan!
Found you a couple weeks ago and have been slowing going through these recaps. I'm 38, been playing these games since FF4 as a little kid. I went back and played everything before that as well. It is really cool to see a young guy go through these games and get moved by them (some of them). Just goes to show their quality stands the test of time. You pretty much have the same opinions the majority of us did at the time for each of the games. You know the bangers and can smell the stinkers. Love the content.
Glad you watched it! This is one of my favorite movies ever. Back in 2006 this was better than anything i've seen in ps2 days. Remember this is 2006 ps2 days dubbed voice acting lol .It doesn't make much sense if you don't know the details, rewatch it later you'll like it more. Cloud became super depressed after the death of Aerith and the end of FF7. All of the crew are happy and moved on, except him. That is why he still lives in the church not with tifa, he wants closure. He truly regrets causing Aerith's death, she was his true love based on FFVII Ultamania Omega. The guys he's fighting are remnants, remember the cloaked guys in remake? that's the last three numbered ones. Sephiroth Died and became part of the lifestream and began corrupting it, causing the stigma. He used Kadaj the remnant with Jenova cells to return. In remake he uses the cloaked remnants to go anywhere, remember Jenova Dreamweaver, it was a clone and Jenova cells just like Kadaj in the movie. If you remember in og FF7 Sephiroth is dead all of that time he was using clones. The water is Holy from Aerith to cure the world and resurrect Cloud who died at the end.
My theory for how Cait Sith worked was that Reeve had some kind of materia that could control him over distances mentally. If I recall Cait even had a manipulate materia on him when he first joins but it’s been awhile since I last played so I’m not 100% sure. Also final fantasy 11 added a puppet master class and one story npc had a puppet she controlled that had a polar opposite personality so I always just thought of Cait like that.
Here's a small random fact for you (and more of a thing to think about when it comes to the remake!)
At the beginning of Advent Children, as we are given a recap of things, a song is played, titled "The Promised Land".
What's interesting about this is that in FF7 Remake, there's actually an orchestral, non vocal version of this track that plays right after the first "meeting" between Sephiroth and Cloud...perhaps hinting that something much deeper is going on with this Sephiroth than we think...
Or MAYBE, it's implying that this is less of a meeting...
And more of a reunion.
I've seen hundreds of FF7 playthroughs (all mayor story parts) and yours are the best of all or at least top 3. I really love your videos. Keep up the good work! ❤️
Thank you! I really appreciate that 🙏🏻
@@ItsLazBoi it has been my favorite game for 25 years but the last years my love has been ever more than ever before. I have watched so many reactions to the og, trailers, remake and crisis core. And the music. Most for FF7 but for the other FF too, FF14 trailers and 16 a lot. But this was the first reaction for Advent Children. Great video! Funny that you didn't connect the logo. The logos for all the Final Fantasy games is always legendary.
I was so excited for this as a kid I didn't even care that it wasn't that good. It was awesome to see the gang fully voiced acted and beautifully animated. It added more life to the characters I loved on the original ps1 version
My favorite part of the whole movie was 22:34 - 22:37. That’s it. Those 3 seconds are great. The music and the cinematography were perfectly connected for those seconds.
I'm sorry to hear you had covid.
From personal experience, just keep an eye out for long term effects. I had a horrible cough that took me weeks to get over. What I wasn't expecting was months later my hair started falling out in massive clumps. It's not 100% recovered but I lost at least half of my hair in a few weeks.
Keep yourself safe.
Yeah I’ve had it a few times, and previously I did get some long term effects, which had been a bit rough, but nothing that really effects my day to day. Appreciate the concern nonetheless, wishing you all the best in your recovery 🙏🏻
It's amazing how well everything holds up in this.
Just watched your first run of classic ff7 and enjoyed it. Glad to see are watching the movie as it may tie into remake at some point, due to the "Never be just a memory" line.
While the first 6 Final Fantasys are legendary and what started it all, now that you're getting into the next age i have to subscribe, so many amazing games coming your way and hyped to see you experience them for the first time, 9,10, and 12 all hold a special place in my heart. Cant wait!!!
The rain/water is Aerith ;)
Cool to see your reaction to this insane movie!
I always get hyped when I hear the Jenova intro theme start before the fight and to hear One Winged Angel right after just reminds me when I was a kid playing it.
Was so excited for you to see this. Just started watching but I know this is about to be great 👍 I really like how you’ll experience the original Crisis Core. It’s definitely worth it. Plus Zack’s original voice actor is phenomenal. After knowing everything about the original, I’m even more excited to play and see how the new one will be like and I’m sure you will too
“7 logo being the meteor” I can relate. It took me several playthroughs til I noticed the meteor 😅
Sephiroth's old VA was amazing too
@@Killer_Kris7 True
That last scene with Aerith and Zack was mostly to show Cloud that Aerith and Zacks deaths wasn't something to regret, and that he should move on with his own life finally.
I do like that in your first reaction, you caught things that I completely overlooked when I saw it as a teenager, and even complete in my 20s or so. It was only on a recent rewatch that I blurted out "wait, so Aerith could've sorted out Geostigma anytime she wanted over the last 2 years?".
And now somebody will explain some mighty lore reason involving Jenova or lifestream mechanics as to why she couldn't do anything until Kadaj cast matra magic on her flowerbed.
Excited to see you play FF7 Crisis Core Reunion ❤️❤️
The Remake Fight was 100% a recreation of the AC fight. It's not being explained so well yet but I think that whole final sequence after going into the portal in Remake is like jumping through a series of memories (First you are in Midgar, then you jump to where Meteor falls and Sephiroth sucks it up, then you are 2 years later fighting around a crumbling Shinra building). The plot takes some thinking for the pieces to fit. The short story written by the FF7 writer "On the Way to a Smile" describes this memory lifestream idea and how Geostigma happened as well as what the 3 white-haired guys are supposed to be and their connection to Sephiroth.
good thing you got the complete version its got nice extra clips in the movie
Now that you've watched this, if you go back to the cloud and sephiroth scenes in hojo's lab, cloud grabs his arm in pain that in the future will have geostigma. Also you fight three figures from the future who have formed to defend the future that they exist in in the final fight before sephiroth...these three combine to form a shadow bahamut. Those 3 were the sephi clones here, kadaj, yazoo, and luz.
No. Those three figures were Cloud, Tifa, and an almost Barret-esqe figure. It's confirmed they are the shadows of the planets future defenders and the planets champions.
@@Tigerlilygurl1according to the devs, they’re the advent children boys.
Funny you only just realized the logo is Meteor 😂
But that's ok because I was watching a video recently and realized I thought FF2s logo was Firion, FF4s logo was Cecil, and FF6s logo was Kefka in Magitek Armour. All of which are not the case.
Regardless, this was a very enjoyable watch through. The best on the internet, you could say. It certainly is a movie and I am certainly glad you watched it. Looking forward to future FF7 compilation streams!
I died laughing everytime you asked 'who's dog is that' lmao 😭😭
So many years still one of my favorite movies...! that end still make me have a bit of a teary eyed
Yeah same reaction when Aerith was the last person to support Cloud’s ascent 😭 We def aren’t ready for whatever Rebirth and onwards have for us lmao
Check out Maximillian Dood spoiler mode with easyallies from 2 years ago.
Can't wait for you to get to Crisis Core, aside you getting to know Zack better, it has one of the best action scenes that I've seen a video game to date (IMO)
I love Advent Children, its a great proper send off to the grief Cloud felt imo. I remember people hating it cause a lot of people just didnt like that Cloud was genuinely still sad over Aerith, Zack, etc.. but realistically he had no time to process all the trauma he has endured for so long. So this just feels like a natural progression tbh. Always loved the use of a wolf for Cloud’s sadness
Wait! Please tell me what song was playing in the end credits there! I’ve listened to the Gerard Way song (Safe and Sound) so many times I know that those notes were how it ended! The song was only in the Japanese versions of Advent Children Complete and it was missing from the English version! So did they put it back in for the recent rerelease???
Also the 'water from the church' was just Aerith's cure magic. It's why the flowers were also doing so well even after her passing, cause she was the only one taking care of them.
The remake came about because fans of the original wanted to play the game with the graphics of advent children. This reignited a lot of enthusiasm for a classic many people loved. No one had seen the characters presented like this before and it was incredible. It was to me anyway.
I am pretty much on the same boat as you on that one, some fun fan-service, and for the time it came out, it looked amazing! You say the plot is confusing, but I'd like to point out that you watched the Complete version, which you might also call the Understandable version. Looking forward to see what you think about Dirge... Good luck!
Are you planning to play the original Crisis Core, or are you going to wait for the remastered version (Crisis Core Reunion)? It should only be a couple of months, and they've said there will be no substantial plot differences, only audiovisual and gameplay changes.
It's a bit all over the place at times, but it had cool character designs, outfits and music. I also appreciated that we got to see them all again in those clothes in KH2, that felt extra special. The kind of edgy cool vibes the movie has is also kinda perfect to then have Dirge of Cerberus come out the following year. All in all, it was a decent movie.
@ItsLazBoi hit the mark right on with assuming the ending of remake was very FFVIIAC inspired, even if you got to that conclusion backwards. lol. That said, don't know if you noticed or not, but the three whisperer bosses from the end of remake are the remnants of the Sephiroth remnants from AC. :)
I've always had the perspective of _Advent Children_ being somewhat of a clumsy aside to the main story. I remember that a lot of people who used to do those kind of deep dive analysis essays on video games and their companion media were ambivalent towards AD for a long time because of how they "mishandled" Cloud's character arc.
Looking back in hindsight, I think Square Enix did a decent (if somewhat clumsy and overdramatized) job of illustrating Cloud's PTSD/Survivor's Guilt. I think most people forgot about Cloud's mental breakdown at the beginning of Disc 2 and we're too busy making fun of his "emo" characterization post-Advent Children to really notice.
As much of a huge FFVII nerd I was as a little kid, I had no clue about the expanded Compilation of Final Fantasy VII until I was an adult. I always wanted to get my hands on the games and short stories, but never had the money to do so. Plus there was a spell where I stopped playing video games tried to be a "serious" adult with no hobbies or personal interests. lol
But it's been fun watching someone who never had the nostalgia for Final Fantasy as a franchise most people have fall in love with it. Especially VII. There was a brief spell in the 2010s where everyone took turns shitting on VII because if its popularity and oversaturation. But ever since Remake came out, people have got off the hate train and come full circle back to singing its praises. It feels like the story of VII actually grew up alongside the fanbase.
So as an old fan to a new one. Welcome to the club. I'm glad to have you.
something i find interesting about advent children in relation to remake is when cloud sees sephiroth in hojo’s lab near the end of the game, because he starts to get a headache and flashes but also grabs his left arm in pain. this is because he’s potentially feeling the pain of geostigma from the future. it’s a theory but it makes a lot of sense!
Absolutely. The same arm and I think there are the same sound effects of when the pain came on like in Advent Children? It's also the same arm that Cloud uses to hand the Black Materia to Sephiroth (that Mako Crystal that Sephiroth was reforming his body in at the northern crater). Oooh Clouds LEFT arm (Sephiroth is Left handed but Cloud is Right)
It may not be the best movie but god there are some great moments in it. I love the theme of self-forgiveness and Cloud finally moving forward and being able to find happiness in his life after everything that has happened. it has some great action, music, and it still looks great even by todays standards. I personally believe that it was a story that needed to be told and that it has its place in the FFVII Compilation. The fight between Cloud and Sephiroth is one of my favorite fights in media and Cloud using Omnislash Version 5 is one of the coolest moments in any film for me. Add on to the fact that Sephiroth's last words to Cloud may very well have been a promise he kept in Remake and not just the dying words of a defeated villain is just so cool in my opinion. And by god that end scene will never not make me cry like a baby. It may not be the best movie and it certainly has its flaws like you mentioned, but it does a lot of things right that make it really special to me. Great video as always man!
The first rendition of this film used to be really choppey so I'm glad you watched ACC, you'd be even more confused. All the things you mentioned about the scenes being from other Final Fantasy games, you'll have to remember this film came out before any of that. So most of those ideas from it was probably what inspired some of the things in the future like the ff15 swords ect. Also the voice acting was done before there was difinitive voices for ff7 (Apart from kingdom hearts) So the ff7 remake is moreso smoothed out. Thanks for watching this though it's a cool part of my and many other peoples childhood.
Nice reaction!
I don’t know if you intended to do, but I really recommend reading the novel “On a way to a smile”, because it explains way better everything that the movie failed to do. It is meant as prequel of the movie placed right after the ending of the OG, and it explores more all the characters and their struggles, Denzel included (his chapter was released alongside the Blu-ray of AC) ^^
ps. The jp voice acting is way better, honestly xD
I remember watching this movie over and over with my brother when i was young because he was heavily into final fantasy, and i wasnt. I havent touched a single game until after this movie because i thought it was soo badass even though i didnt understand anything. the movie made me love the game even more. the early 2000s were nothing but final fantasy because of this movie and it has a special place in my heart
Gee golly gosh. 👀 The ending is so similar to Remake. Interestingggg....what is Seph up to?
Cannot wait for your thoughts after you're all caught up.
Great video, I'm so glad you enjoyed despite the films flaws!
Edit: YES. Despite everything, those Aerith moments hit hard. The idea that shes watching over him and perhaps the planet from beyond gives me warm goosebumps.
When Vincent asks "Where can I find a phone booth" is a superman reference.
One of the things to realize is that for those of us who played the original FF7 game, for a long time Advent Children was the only thing we thought we'd ever get showing the FF7 crew with modern CGI. There were other games, of course, and constant rumors about remaking the original game, but most of us never believed that Square would ever pump millions upon millions of dollars to make a game they had already made ... I'm glad we were wrong, but I still love Advent Children for showing us what Remake could be (and confirming that everyone lived after the original game ending, which was not a given for YEARS)
honestly one of my favorite movies of all time i won't lie, afterall it introduced me to the wonderful franchise
For those who didn’t notice. At 18:54 the part where Cloud flies into the fireball. He actually dies. But Aerith brings him back.
Basically Kadaj, Yazoo, and Loz were the three from the group of black-robed peoples, the failed Sephiroth Clones from Hojo's Experiment. And the Geostigma was from the meteor infected midgard. The lifestream (also Aerith within in) healed them.
P.S : RED XIII Japanese VA is more fit.
If you ever get a chance, there was a series of short stories written by the writers of the game and the movie collectively called On the Way to a Smile. It tells the story of what all the characters were doing in between the game and the movie. They came out in Japan originally before the movie came out so they were a primer so you knew what was going on before watching the movie which is why the movie doesn’t go out of its way to explain everything. They weren’t readily available outside of Japan for a long time so for foreign viewers, the movie was confusing. By now you can either buy an official copy or a fan translation. It will answer a lot of the questions that you have, especially about Sephiroth and his three avatars.
Recently ordered a copy of the book! Looking forward to seeing what it has to offer. I’m sure I’ll talk about it on stream, at some point, could clip it and post it here too for anyone who cares
It's hard to explain, but essentially Sephiroth can never truly be killed.
Pretty interesting huh about how the last few ending fights in this match up with FFVII Remake. The three remnants who use a gun, fists, and sword are the three Harbinger ghosts you fight in Remake. Then they form together to make Bahamut who also in this film, gets summoned. Then you fight Sephiroth. I don't quite know the connection exactly, but I believe there is one from Advent Children to FFVII Remake.
You had me dying last night, you trying to upload this video 😂🤣. I love this movie, even with all the weird plot stuff going on. The fights and designs for the characters are soo good, very ahead of it's time when it came out.
To clear some things up, Geostigma or Seikon Shōkōgun, which the real translation is the Sephiroth Gene, is a disease. This disease was caused by when the meteor came in contact with the planet, the Lifestream came in contact with Jenova cells, spreading a deadly pathogen to the planet. Geostigma will in turn cause sickness, and inevitable death. Cloud in a sense already had GeoStigma , when Jenova cells were already implanted in him. Not only that, he is suffering from Mako poisoning, which is the result under going SOLDIER + JENOVA experimentation. Each SOLDIER is fated for a early death, because there cells are accelerated by Mako, So his case is way worse than everyone else.
The Remnants are just parts of Sephiroth, that represents his most powerful qualities. Sephiroth himself is also in the Lifestream, so he is basically a god in a sense, but he can't fully manifest in the world, so he can create fragments of himself, to hopefully bring himself back.
IMHO, the voices in the Remake is way better than most of them in this movie. I think I only like Sephiroth's more in Advent, Aerith I like more in the movie too, but it fits only in this movie because she's way more mature. Her Remake one is amazing.
@Minicrom Sephiroth in advent children actually sounds commanding and in charge. Like he knows what he is doing. Nobody will be able to deliver the "Good to see you...Cloud" better than Newbern. Not even Hoechlin. And especially the line where he told Genesis to rot in Nibelhiem. Hoechlin won't even come close to being that cold.
@@Akillez no. I prefer Sephiroth sounding commanding and In charge. Not soft and wimpy
The after credits when cloud is driving off my bf goes: “ Cloud running away after Tifa starts adopting all the kids”
"She pulled a sephiroth and just lobbed a Materia at his head. It's a tried and tested method."
... I'm gonna be honest, I TOTALLY forgot that Sephiroth did that at Nibelheim.
The best part is when Cloud says: Finally has come the Advent Children, goosebumps man
I loved this movie. Seeing cloud get over his various guilts and traumas is just one of my favorite things ever. Only issue is knowledge of crisis core is required to fully appreciate
Advent Children was part of my introduction to FF. It's very confusing even for folks who know the OG very well. Even after many years, I'm still finding new things in this movie. It's meant to be watched several times as there are hidden aspects in it. A ton of lore. And yes they fully intended to make the end of Remake simulate AC-- for lore reasons. AC doesn't mention this but Sephiroth actually bound his core to Cloud from the Lifestream which is how he is able to come back to the surface. This is noted in the book On the Way to a Smile which is canon. It takes place before AC.
God damn dude, you‘re in every video i watch. Do you even have social life?
I’m sure someone already pointed this out but in the extras there’s a short movie that explains Denzel story and Geo stigma it explains more why people get the geo stigma since the first run of advent children, it doesn’t really explains it but square decided to add it into Advent children complete to add more to story so people could understand it more.
I actually ended up reading through all of OTWTAS after this movie, the book is really good stuff, i wish I’d read it before the movie tbh.
This wasn’t my first time reading it but I did stream with my girlfriend when she read it for the first time which was pretty fun, if you’re interested czcams.com/video/0Q6E3Ogm__Y/video.html
Thanks, that was fun!
I saw you say in another comment that you ordered On the Way to a Smile. I will say the novel definitely improves the movie. Which I don't say in defense of the film because it should stand on its own, but the fact remains that the film is better after reading it. It's divided into episodes focusing on each character, and within that context it's clear that the movie is "Episode: Cloud."
What Did you think the FF-logo was? It's meteor indeed and the smaller stone above it is Aerith's Holy materia(if I'm not mistaken)
Thanks for watching and reacting. Admittedly, although there are several plotholes in the Compilation storyline, most of your questions can be answered by reading the other novellas on top of what you read before (Episode Shinra, The Maiden Who Travels the Planet Case of Lifestream Black AND White, etc.) As for the lone wolf, I think it is a physical manifestation of Cloud's demons or past or the like.
The plotholes were created by the sequels and prequels.
I didn’t appreciate Advent Children as much when it came out, as I was a kid and I was only interested in the action. Going back and watching it now, I appreciate it a lot more. It is a good epilogue to the amazing story of FF7
The Bahamut for FF7 AC is inspired by FF10s summon that you get to fight later in that game called Bahamut Sin which is a darker pallet swap of the one Yuna gets and is as tough as the one she summons. In FFX you can upgrade the summons. The tougher you make the summons through out the game the harder those fights become. The thing is that since "dark" summons are part of the International version they are optional fights if you don't want the upgraded ultimate weapons for each character.
Is this the Final Fantasy Advent Children Complete by any chance?
Btw who do u like Noctis or Cloud more?
About 8 years ago this was my introduction to the world of Final Fantasy specifically 7 since I had heard a lot of good things about that one specifically. I definitely enjoyed it as a blind watch and it made me want to play. It wasn't until the release of 7 remake that I actually decided to start my journey. Played it in a bit of a weird order since I played 7 remake and 15 since those are the only two that caught my attention at the time due to the free combat style but I'll definitely look into the others as time goes
14 has a free combat style I think
My fan theory is that Cloud was Patient Zero for the Stigma, because Sephiroth's dying act was to turn his Jenova cells into infectious bacteria.
The three Remnants, I think, were leftover products of the Sephiroth project, created after his victories in the Wutai war. After he went nuts, the project was shelved and they were put into cryogenic sleep but eventually escaped.
Hello,
I have enjoyed watching you go through all of the Final Fantasy games, FF7 is the one that got me into the series and made me a fan, i could never get into the older titles because i didn't like the Pixel art, however i still enjoy watching other people play through it.
I know you have twitch and that i can go there to see the full playthroughs but the VODS will eventually be deleted, do you have plans to upload the complete VODs to CZcams for those of us who prefer watching here? Or if you already do have a different channel that does that, i would love to know what it is :)
Second question, do you plan on playing the odd entries of the series? Like Final Fantasy Type-0
All my VODs are always on my VODs CZcams channel linked in the description 👌🏻
And yes I plan to do side entries and spin offs once I’m done with the mainline games, the order will probably just depend on what people want to see most
Wait until you realise that Remake is not referring to a remaster but is Sephiroths intention to remake the timeline.
Once you've finished this, read On The Way To A Smile and replay 7 Remake again.
It makes so much more sense as to Aerith and Sephiroth behave as they do.
You have just met the antagonist of the Remake Trilogy...Advent Children Sephiroth!
Reno climbing up the wall makes me laugh 😂😂❤
The ending of AC always hit me hard. I know you try your best to hold the tears. Lol.
Generally I'm not a huge fan of AC, but the final scene in the church, when we see Aerith I audibly sobbed. Which amused those I was watching it with.....
I know this movie gets flack at times and I do think Sephiroth “returning” is kind of dumb (even though the fight is really cool), but there is a lot of this I really love. I really like how much of this movie address’s Cloud’s unresolved trauma from all that he has suffered and the last 10 minutes feel like such a comforting conclusion to his arc.