People should realize the underlying cause here: sure, the uefa messed up, the Belgian authorities messed up, but the real culprit here is fanatism. How do you even begin explaining killing someone ( or beating up) just because they are supporting the opposing team in a game of football ? How utterly bizzare is that ? The society has come a long way and lessons were learnt that day, but there are still fanatics in this world(in football and elsewhere - religion comes to mind), and that should not be tolarated, as when it is, you get these results.
I think the main problem was the dirty scousers pushing a wall down on people. It's funny how every opportunity Liverpool fans get they mention Hillsborough but Heysel?
It wouldn't be the last time. In 1999, Owen Hart fell from the rafters onto the ring of a WWE pay-per-view, and died. Vince McMahon insisted they continue the show. This shit really should not be happening, but it's now become too common, that it's just too scary.....
My dad used to get tickets for the European cup finals due to his job with a tv company and the last one he went to was Liverpool v Roma in 1984. After the problems in Rome he said he wasn't going to another one for the foreseeable future. So glad he didn't go to this one even though he was offered a ticket.
Liverpool were lucky to win that year if roma hadn’t bribed the referee to let them beat Dundee United then Dundee United would’ve obliterated Liverpool in the final
@@kilwolski yeah we were lucky... Lucky that roma didn't get to the officials before the game. I know and have read about the dodgy dealings of roma in that season ...l feel sorry for dundee. But we wouldve beaten them as well i think
Precisely. Heysel wasn't a completely out of the blue incident that could not have been predicted. It was during a period of issues for which everyone passed the buck. Shocking as it was, no one who went to games in those days was surprised.
Adrian Pilcher definitely. It was building up to something like that happening. A death trap of a ground, an inept police force, laughable segregation and a minority of drunken idiots caused the disaster at heysel but the incidents in the weeks beforehand at Luton, Birmingham, Bradford ( although not hooliganism ) and a couple of others meant that it would culminate in something like that.
Mr Kipling, I am so pleased that your Dad didn't go to this game. Please don't think that I am following you, as we seem to have similar interests. As always, my very best wishes!
I just want to say as a Juventus fan I have just watched Hillsborough documentary and my views on Liverpool fans has changed but I do believe at Heysel 85 things should of been dealt with better my hearts go out to my fellow Juventus fans but such lies about Hillsborough 89 after 26 years i can only imagine if we can find the truth about Heysel 85 and I will not blame fans for the deaths but UEFA and the owners and organisers of the event for not handling the situation better on both sides. RIP TO JUVE AND LIVERPOOL FANS WHO LOVED THE GAME there deaths will not be remembered as our loss but to be reminded for all of us how far lies to cover up the real truth.
I agree that the families of the victims of Heysel deserve many answers that the authorities have not given. 14 Liverpool fans were convicted of manslaughter, and rightly so (I am a Liverpool fan and I can see how reckless their attack was, and how likely it was to lead to the serious injury or death of spectators in the next terrace). First we must acknowledge the fault of the Liverpool fans who raced across the terrace and the rightness of their criminal prosecution. Only after that can we discuss the many faults of the authorities, UEFA, the police, the managers of the Heysel Stadium. There were many factors that made the attack by Liverpool fans likely (improper segregation, for instance, or loose concrete for throwing) and which made the consequences of the attack across the terrace much worse (the weak retaining wall, for example). First and foremost, we owe the families of the Heysel victims our sympathy and compassion. We also must support them in getting answers from very resistant authorities who want to avoid blame for their part in contributing to the suffering of the victims. The people who were killed at Heysel died of crushing and asphyxiation. Those poor people. Their poor families. It's awful for them. If we can help them, we should. I'm a Liverpool fan, as I have said before. Deep sympathy for the families.
Hooligans are responsible for causing the violence, but stadium and UEFA officials and the police were responsible for preventing foreseeable deaths. I'm glad the hooligans were found guilty, but I doubt any of them could imagine their actions would cause the deaths of so many people, nor do I believe that was their intent. Had they acted the same way in a safer stadium, there would probably have been the usual cuts and bruises, broken bones and concussions. The same actions can lead to different results. I believe people should be held responsible for their actions because they choose their actions, not the result. A reasonably competent safety inspector would not have condoned a cup final match in that stadium. I don't think anyone has ever denied that in principle. What has been denied is any culpability for hosting the game there. The hooligans were easy targets for justice. They were the cause of the violence, and they needed to be prosecuted. But Maggie's hatred made it easy for people to look no further. Not addressed in this film were the actions of the Juventus fans in section Z. As I understand, there were bad actors on that side of the fence as well, also throwing debris at the Liverpool supporters. I'm sure they were grossly outnumbered by the English hooligans, but it's another mitigating element that makes part of the whole story. The hooligans were bad guys, and they will be hated forever, but that will never make a single stadium safer. Quite the contrary.
Completely agree with you. There are faceless people who are responsible for all these deaths. These are the members of the Belgian football association, who were willing to accept people from abroad to spend their money in Brussels; but they were not willing to provide a stadium that was fit for purpose. The remedy for nearly all of the problems in watching football is all-seater stadia. Terracing, where people are herded like cattle, and a jammed up against one another is primitive. I acknowledge that at the time of Heysel, there was a trend towards all-seater stadia. But it was just not fast enough. The impression I got was that the clubs would rather have as many people as possible jammed into a stadium, so that they could make as much money as possible.
Claudio87Amorosi I'm a Liverpool fan...And I want to say learning about this over the decades.. This makes so shamed to be English...But at the same time... I wanna know why the heysel stadium was chosen...it was simply unfit to hold such a huge game,and to have both sets of fans next to each other with a chicken wire fence segregating the fans was criminal to say the least...The people who chose that decripped stadium should hung,drung,and quartered...and it was so ironic that the disaster at Hillsborough happened 4 years later...I know that some of us will never be friends...But I hope one day we will unite in hope and in friend ship...rip the Heysel 39,and the Hillsborough 96
My heart absolutely breaks for the people who lost their lives that day, for their families, their loved ones and friends. I can’t believe that they actually went ahead and played the match. 💔
@@craigchalmers6228 what are you smoking u can’t make it past Manchester United and lost against Real Madrid 3 times you only have one League title in the last 30 years you guys prevented many upcoming teams like Everton and Nottingham Forest from the champions league wonder why everyone hates your club and your fanbase.keep on dreaming
Exactly. I was living in Brussels when this happened. Between these monsters murdering 39 souls and them molesting my mother earlier in the day when she was simply running errands, it’s a day that still haunts me, almost 40 years later. I wasn’t even a football fan back then, but since that day, I have hated one team on the planet: Liverpool FC.
No, the stadium was not fit to host a CL Final. However, it was the Liverpool fans (Hooligans) that caused the tragedy by running at the Police and Juventus supporters. A terrible low in football history.
1985 - game is played after multiple deaths, 35 years later in 2020 - players walk off and game ends after an assistant referee allegedly uses a racist remark. How things have changed.
I'm a Liverpool fan, it was our ultras. None of us are proud of whats happened in the history of our club. This should never of happened. On behalf of the fans that truly care. We are sorry 🔴❤️
+LastAvailableAlias Yes and apparently it was the stadium's fault because it supplied weapons....never mind those fans that were the ones wielding them.
Yea maybe it wouldn't have happened. that's correct, maybe it wouldn't have happened if they never kept iron/steel pipes around the stadium as weapons. The stadium was a disaster waiting to happen and should have been renovated or decommissioned. It's just a sad sad event. As poignant as Hillsborough. And I can almost say for a certainty the police/govt let Hillsborough happen, for some form of punishment.
+LastAvailableAlias Yes, you are right. The condition of the stadium only contributed to the harm when the wall collapsed but the attacks across the terrace were the cause of the crush. It is awful.
@@innbvvdddyiioknbvzshuiince6439 drunk animals Liverpool fans attacked simple spectators (not ultra violent), even knowing that in sector Z there were families, women, children, Italians, Belgians, French, English sportsmen, in fact even a British citizen died in the crowd, 4 Belgians, 2 French, a Northern Irish, 3 sports fans of the Inter, an 11-year-old boy ... congratulations to the Liverpool fans and to the English sports and political instructions who continue to deny the responsibilities of their alcoholics their compatriots. The decidion to play was made from belgian authority,ti avoid worse accidents
@@dr.sranamore l'm a liverpool fan....And yes..british football was rife with hooligism in the mid-1980s and beyond....and most of those liverpool fans that fateful night at heysel should be hung, drawn, and quartered for their actions. But so should UEFA and the belgian FA for choosing that shit hole of a stadium in the first place.
God bless the families of the Heysel victims. They deserve the whole truth, first of all, from the Liverpool fans who kicked a hole in the fence and charged across the terrace, and secondly from UEFA, the local police, and Heysel Stadium officials. As a Liverpool fan, I support their need for justice and accountability. The most active Liverpool hooligans were prosecuted, but it is time for everyone to come clean, for the sake of the victims' families. Every question they have should be answered.
Because of Heysel, English football lost its prestige overnight in Europe, the end of its club dominance and the end of entirely British players playing for all the major clubs.
I was living in Brussels at the time of this murder spree of innocent people. I’ve hated Liverpool FC from that day forward, because the fans that follow your team are scum.
Who was to blame for this truly? For the most part, it was the Liverpool supporters that were too rowdy and egocentric to not tamper with teh stadium. In others, it was the police for not doing their damnness to prevent this from happening or save the many hurt or killed. But among the biggest offenders was the UEFA, for not only letting the match be played in such an unsafe field, but also insisting the match be played after 39 were killed and refusing to take any responsibility. No matter how you look at it, the greatest monsters are humankind, and members of our own species that could have prevented tragedy, but didn't and allowed many to die to suit their own twisted needs.
I must admit hundreds might have been killed that night if the game hadn’t been played because after the wall collapsed you could see the juventus fans at the other end creating trouble and if it had been abandoned who knows what they would had done. Also,and a similar thing happened at hillsborough the authorities were caught short once the disaster started with regards to the medical provisions and implementation of the disaster plan. They basically ran around like headless chickens not having a clue what to do
Watch the documentary. Juve fans were seen throwing bricks at LFC fans. Both sides committed violence. It's hard to talk about something your club was scapegoated for. Meanwhile UEFA and Belgian FA got away with this.
@@jtokes9400 Liverpool fans who were involved did prison time. Juve fans that were violent didn't do time, neither did the Belgian FA or UEFA officials that put the match in a dilapidated and unsafe stadium.
Wow! I was only three months old when this happened and four years old when Hillsborough happened. I never knew until now and this documentary that the Liverpool fans who I thought had been dealt with and justice had been served for the Heysel 39 were actually set free with no punishment! That's disgusting.
The fact that Liverpool FC swept it under the rug so deeply that you didn’t even know about it is shameful. Those 39 souls that Liverpool fans murdered deserve so much better.
The final should never have been played at heysel.. first off the stadium inspection had only lasted 30 minutes and it had been unstable for years, Arsenal and West Ham had played at the stadium years before and claimed even then it was falling apart and called it a dump.. plus worse still both the camp nou and bernabeu, stadiums with proper infrastructure and capacity could’ve been used as they were both available for the final
Why was that stadium chosen for the game where both clubs were telling UEFA the stadium wasn't up to scratch. Also why were Juventus fans at the end of the ground.
I know someone that was there He has been in Football Stadiums all over the world and he said it was a SHITHOLE of a stadium And it was hosting A EUROPEAN CUP FINAL????
@@Dessienewshoesstadium wasn’t fit for purpose. If a house has faulty electrical network, it’s dangerous. If a stadium doesn’t have adequate facilities it’s dangerous.
Why was the European Cup Final played in a knackered crumbling athletics stadium surely the Nou Camp or the Bernabau were available the 1980s were dark days on the terraces - Bradford fire, Heysel and Hillsborough never forgotten RIP
Paul Gray I can’t understand that decision myself. The grounds in Spain were available, the Olympic stadium in Munich might have been available as well. So why they wanted that shithole as the venue I’ll never know. Arsenal played the CWC final there in 1980 and came back and said it was falling apart.
As a Wigan fan, I will always remember this incident. After Heysel, Wigan Athletic was playing Brentford at Wembley and we had a Police escort there and back. I was only aged 18, and my brother was 21. The Police treated us terribly and it was as if the Heysel disaster was caused by the Wigan Athletic fans. RIP 39
You hardly ever hear about this in England.. its hushed up like the Bradford City fire. The 80s as a Leeds fan was exciting and dangerous.. as soon as you reach the stadium, the cops on their horses try to run u down.. Football is about rivalry and territorialism.. you feel brave in a screaming crowd of 5k .. I'm glad it's calmed down now. RIP to all that have died.. no1 should go to a Football match and not come home
+Simon Waldram I think it had gotten to the point that if the football authorities were not going to take responsibility for the game as a whole than someone had to,yes it was unfair to those clubs that didn't deserve it,but I don't know whether any other decision could have been made,this was sending a message to all clubs that hooliganism was not going to be tolerated anymore or there would be consequences.
This video says Liverpool fans had a reputation for being well behaved. As an American, I hear that and have no problem with English football being held to account. I remember when this happened, and even here in the US English hooliganism was legendary in those days. Maybe that's a result of Maggie's anti-English football campaign, I dunno. (She and Reagan were in bed tighter than Tony Blair and GW Bush.) It seemed to be on our TV news a lot in those days - another riot involving English fans.
I was living in Melbourne (Australia) that day. It was very early morning when the game was supposed to be played and being 14 my dad said he'd wake me up just before the start. He woke me at 7am and said to me "I didn't wake you because the game has yet to start. There are more than 50 dead". Just don't understand violence like this. They deserve to be in a psychiatric clinic not on the streets.
I still can’t see the thinking behind uefa’s decision to give 11,000 tickets to so called neutrals in a section right next to the Liverpool fans knowing that most of the tickets would be bought by the large Italian population in Brussels
UEFA gave Z, zone for Liverpool fans, the Belgium Football Assocation did a U-turn and gave it to Juventus. Could also have been the Liverpool fans that died that day if UEFA had their arena placement kept to the right order. Saying that UEFA does not put value on human life. Ultimately all the variables for a game to end in tragedy did...My heart goes out to all Juventus families who lost a loved one that night. We can never repeat those horrific times ever again.
@@saxglend9439 how the fuck is this IRA produced???? they're not taking the piss out of Thatcher and she's about as loved in Ireland as she's in England.
@@Colin_PowerLiverpool have apologised. Representatives went over to Turin in the aftermath if Heysel and spent years building bridges between the clubs. But tell me, why were "Liverpool fans" wearing arsenal shirts and England shirts? Also I think it is uefa and the Belgians who should be apologising. Why has there NEVER been an enquiry? UEFA and the Belgians instantly blamed the fans and have never looked at the stadium, the segregation,the policing and why juventus fans filled the neutral section. And not one juventus fan was arrested for rioting despite over an hour's worth of TV footage clearly identifying Italian thugs. And guess what? UEFA and FIFA STILL organise football matches were neutral tickets end up on the black markets and rival fans are next to each other with no segregation. That is why Russians were able to run England fans inside the stadium in Marseille
Every time I watch this, it makes me shake my head that today there is an apparent "Against Modern Football" movement that criticizes how the game is today and whines for the return of standing terraces that can only bring about the worst in people. They actually can't stand the fact that the hooligans have now been relegated to the pubs and think those violent individuals should be the ones rather than families the PL should cater to because that will supposedly bring "passion" back to the game.
Terraces didn't cause hooliganism. A lot of the time the firms would sit in the seats. I watched football in the 80’s with my Father and we stood on the terraces all the time. We weren’t hooligans. We would just sing and cheer on the team. I would love to see the return of the terraces because it would bring back some atmosphere to English football. Terraces didn’t kill people, either at Heysel or Hillsborough. Heysel was a minority of English fans running at opposing fans who didn’t want to know. That combined with a crumbling ground caused the deaths. Hillsborough was caused by police incompetence. Not terraces.
I can not believe what I just watched! Absolute disgrace! And why on earth have I never heard about this! Not anywhere has this been mentioned. Smh Those poor people can you imagine! God bless them all honestly you are in my thoughts and will continue to be.🙏❤️
The family's of the Heysel Victim's of Liverpool fans have behaved with proper dignity ever since , the families od the victims of Liverpool fans at Hillsborough have pleated ever since and will now get the compo - life is not fair
MightyRoos The people to blame for the deaths at Heysel were the Liverpool fans. No body ever blamed the Victims in Sheffield ,as they were the unfortunate people who arrived in a timely manner with tickets and were standing at the front that was never in doubt . It was alleged that late arriving drunk fans pushed them to death, apparently that was not the case
+5888max talking about how would victims at Heysel would have behaved if they treated same way as Hillsborough victims. The cover ups and lies for 27 years. You saying by fighting for justice Liverpool families have no dignity. Not Liverpool families fault that Heysel victims not fight for justice. I personally think they should have fought for justice.
MightyRoos There was no denial of Justice and 30 odd years of whining and endless enquires ,inquests at huge expense to the public purse has not brought anybody back from the dead .It may have shifted the blame rightly or wrongly from drunk members of the public to sober dibble's , but not for any purpose. Turin mourned the dead and realised that the pursuing the violent Liverpool fans who caused the deaths would help no one, and detract from the tragedy . Half of Liverpool claims to have been damaged by Hillsborough if people weren't dead it would be Joke as they are it's a sick joke
MightyRoos They were pursuing a political agenda so I imagine your view of them is coloured by your view of the political situation in Northern Ireland.
As Juventus fan and proud this game should of never happened and I'm surprised that UEFA was not mentioned or being blamed from the English FA and Margaret Thatcher or the Belgium government or by Federazione Italiano Gioco Calcio as they (UEFA) wanted the match to continue.... I don't blame the players for what happened and especially the Juventus players after winning the match as I strongly believe that celebrating the way they did after was not what people made out it was. They were aware of the issue and it was a win dedicated to the loss of the victims that passed away 3 hours before ...... What people need to understand that this documentary doesn't explain in the best way, that the way we see Football today and the way we look at a major problem during a match or a sporting event is that for a game to be able to continue such fatalities in one sporting event is only a human error that we all tend to do in our lifetime. We could all talk about for hours that the Liverpool fans should of been dealt with sooner rather than later, Police in Haysel was piss poor, no Ambulance or First aid doctors on site ?, the condition of the stadium was not up to the standards of that current modern day Football. Which for me the issue I felt that should be questioned is .... why did UEFA let the the game continue ? how can a major sporting event like European Cup between the two biggest team in Europe was able to play in those condition ? What made UEFA think yeah lets play even though 40 odd Juventus fans are dead laying outside of the stadium car park I think it's alright to play???? Its mad and shameful that UEFA did not take responsibility in all this and the rest was blamed and accused for it ! What upset me is that in this film they made out the Juventus players were the bad and unsporting people just because they won and celebrated after the game was over ? what was they supposed to do ??? they had to play as if nothing happened even though they knew. One thing I can say why didn't both teams refused to play seeing that they were all aware of such tragedy, but I guess like with a lot of things in life some things are not meant to know.
+Josh Speedie yeah i did but thats a good enough excuse for the match not to be prostpone ? the police was shocking to say the least they should of controlled the Liverpool fans better ...
+claudioschumi87 I'm a lifelong Liverpool fan and a survivor of Hillsborough and I will tell you now that the majority of us LFC fan are sickened with what happened BUT to blame the Liverpool fans alone is not on. It is well documented that the two sets of fans were separated by a thin wired fence and that the LFC fans were being pelted with coins and other missiles for a while before the main violence started. The police did nothing to prevent this, there were even some reports of stabbings by the Juve fans through the fence before people had had enough. It was always going to end up badly no matter what BUT I also believe that this was organised, in the main by the British Government to get the English banned from Europe. You only have to see how they covered up the truth about Hillsborough for 27 years to know that the Thatcher era could not be trusted. The other reason I think this is because up until then both sets of fans had mixed together with no arrests or incidents and of course the rules state that no incident outside a ground can bring on any bans or fines on clubs. It has to happen INSIDE the stadium! This doesn't hide one simple fact, 39 people didn't return that day and nothing can bring them back. we do remember them and honour them every year. RIP to the 39.
+Aled Kelly I respect your comments but i want to know is that you mentioned Juve fans were throwing coins at the Liverpool fans didnt the organiser made sure two team fans were separated from each end and were the incident happened was normal fans that dont support both teams just wanted to watch the final? Its the first for me to hear about this being setting up from the goverment well if thats true well it has change my thought on how disgusting politics is and was ...... RIP FOR BOTH JUVE AND LIVERPOOL FANS
@@claudioschumi87 Also the year before in the european cup final in rome in 1984 when liverpool beat roma in their olymipic stadium...Liverpool fans were attacked by roma ultras when they left the stadium after the game. And l think that may well of played a part in the tragic events at heysel a year later...
I remember watching the Heysel stadium disaster on the TV & the stadium looked a real shambles. I was at Hillsborough 4 years later. What I can remember it was chaos outside the stadium before the kick off when they open the gates thats when soon got even worse inside the stadium.
LFC was the scapegoat. Juve fans also committee violence just like Roma did the year prior. The culprits are primarily UEFA and Belgian FA, then the rowdy fans on BOTH sides.
JIM BEGLIN AND THE REST OF THE PLAYERS INTERVIEWED SHOULD BE ASHAMED, of course Liverpool ought to be banned, wtf, saying they should not be banned due to their record of behaviour in Europe before Heysel, sickening.
+connor baz THAT DAY. THEY DRUNKENLY TRIED TO SEE THE GAME AND CAUSED SO MANY DEATHS, WHAT YOU MEAN HE IS RIGHT HE NEVER SAID WHAT YOU JUST SAID, I AM SENDING YOUR COMMENT TO THE POLICE, SO IGNORANT
Typical how people seek excuses in the build of the stadium, the security and police organisation,, again and again. Too scared to just put blame to those who are to blame.
the hooligan elements of both the juve and liverpool fanbase are to blame, along with the authorities allowing the match to take place in the way it did
@@awgroom tell me why you have that opinion and I'll prove you wrong. Sounds to me like you've just repeated the usual slur like a parrot but don't know why you've said it. The only people playing the victims are rival fans who cry like babies about the European ban. 😭
WTF to even consider playing after such violence? Even if there were no deaths? How the hell can they go on and play..My jaw hit the floor when I heard that! Sick.
Why did they play a game after this? Why not get everybody out of the ground except Liverpool fans? Then they could have been detained by police reinforcements and the arrests begun.
+Noun boy - They feared further violence, and possible deaths, if they postponed the match, as the players had wanted. Which is even sadder really. After all the violence, after 39 people died, the organisers feared that the hooligans would riot further if the game wasn't played. The whole thing was a c*ck-up from beginning to end.
What happened in Hillsboro was terrible. The Liverpool fans and club will never forget the people who died and rightly so. But they don’t talk about this much.
Most of the people causing trouble at that end were Liverpool fans. Not that one though. Liverpool fans never wore England shirts in the 1980’s. Anyone who knows football and went to games back then knew that. I’m not a Liverpool fan and I know that.
@@steve-kl9iv absolutely. I’ve got a picture saved from GettyImages and it shows a bloke at the bottom of block X and Y, by the chicken wire fence, and he’s wearing an Arsenal shirt!! I magnified it and it’s as clear as anything. There were definitely fans of other clubs over for a jolly up. Especially with how close Brussels is and it being a European cup final. “ alright John, let’s go to Brussels next week for a punch up. I’ll meet you at Highbury at half 8 on the morning of the 29th “.
+James Hingley Agreed - too much hand wringing. Supposedly the stadium's fault at Heysel, the police's fault at Hillsborough. Quite simply it was a combination of Liverpool fans, Juventus fans next and stadium issues last that caused Heysel and bad (though not malicious) policing and a small minority of dodgy fans that caused Hillsborough. The cover-up was understandable/inevitable but ultimately inexcusable, admittedly. But they want to make it more black and white than that and forever absolve themselves if even a sliver of blame comes their way. And blaming Thatcher for damaging English football?? For fuck's sake - after Heysel, there are no two ways about it; something drastic HAD to be done. If anything, she kicked them up the arse by withdrawing them from European competition and forced the clubs to get their acts together after both Heysel and Hillsborough. Along with her favoured 'free enterprise' approach, it led to their long, long overdue modernisation and eventually to the creation of the world's most popular league: the Premiership/Premier League. She deserves some credit for that, but I seriously doubt that Liverpool fans are ever in a million years going to see it that way...
+James Hingley What does that even mean. I'm just going on the facts. This was mainly down to Juve fans, the stadium and organisation. And a small amount of Liverpool fans were at fault. But overall the facts are it wasn't caused by Liverpool fans. 12, just 12 were found guilty of manslaughter
The fake acting of pretending you're all happy and try to not focus on the sadness and the grief. If only it were that easy. He may have seemed happy, but everyone was still hurting inside....
I agree. Of course Liverpool were rightly punished, but I really disliked how Juventus behaved on this night. The players were extremely crass in their celebrations, and not to mention the crowd violence that was brought upon by the Juventus fans. One Juve fan had a gun on him apparently.
Remember watching it at the time, many accounts blamed Juventus fans for starting the trouble. A stadium in disrepair, a accident waiting to happen. rip to the people lost but it was unfair to lay the blame solely on Liverpool and the English clubs
If the Liverpool fans hadn’t attacked the Juventus fans like this, 39 people wouldn’t have been murdered by your fellow fans. I saw how awful the fans were behaving that day because I was living in Brussels at the time. So don’t even blame the Juventus fans. You were the aggressors, plain and simple.
Holes in the outside walls. They weren’t even turnstiles really either. An old bloke sitting at a table just inside the entrance to the ground taking tickets. Big queues outside the ground in some places due to the police taking sticks out of the fans flags. Liverpool should have had the whole of that end. There wouldn’t have been any problems then even though the ground was crumbling and a death trap. I think part of the reason for Liverpool fans breaking into the Z section was due to X and Y sections being packed tight and Z being half empty. Liverpool fans thought we’ll go in there for more space and a minority of idiots decided to charge at the Italian fans in section Z. The rest was history unfortunately.
I remember the Bradford and Hillsborough tragedies, vividly! I've known about Hooliganism and all that sort of thing. But I can't believe how in the world I've never heard or seen anything in regards to the Heysel carnage. I do confess that Soccer is not the number one sport that I am a fan of, baseball is. Watching what happened in Brussels has shaken me up pretty hard. I think I owe to my Italian side a head bow, and an apology for constantly making fun of Juventus. May God Bless the souls of all those who lost their lives in these most unfortunate and very preventable tragedies. Shame on those who cause them physically and those in charge.
@@butterfly-bw6cx quite aware that it wasn't. I don't know why you assume that. I was talking about the fact that I never heard of the Heysel incident... different paragraph.
The blackest day in European football!....I remember watching horrified as a teenager, it made me ashamed to be English! The ban should have been for 10 years minimum! And justice?!....3 years, half of it suspended... absolute joke!
Mostly none.. They showed that when we played them en route to Istanbul in the 2005 champions league quarter finals at their ground.. They displayed a grotesque banner about the hillsborough disaster
@@user-vm9hh2se7s really?...that comment just shows everyone that your parents must have been dropped on your head when you were a child...furthermore go back to school and get educated idiot...
That stadium us an utter disgrace, even without the trouble it was a death trap. Negligence on a monumental scale. Of course those involved are responsible for their own actions but there are people determined to go to football today and they dont get the chance in the ground.
I was a 9 year old child watching all this unfold on Tv. Poor dilapidated stadiums and hooliganism was a problem throughout football during the 1980s and unfortunately 39 innocent people plus their families suffered because of it. Clubs such as Oxford, Luton and Wimbledon were denied playing in European competitions but something had to be done about it and thankfully now it is much safer to go and watch football as a family. I didnt go much back then with all the hooliganism but now I take my daughter home and away without any fear.
Us Brits have it in our blood to fight, the only way we could get that fix was to fight in and around football stadiums. Not saying I’m a supporter of that or defending the hooliganism, just putting my point forward about our fighting spirit. Whoever the ticket touts were who sold those tickets to the Juventus fans to find themselves in the section are most responsible for the deaths of those fans.
I have a better idea: learn to behave like civilized human beings. You don’t see this happening at an NFL game on this side of the pond…so even us Americans are better behaved at sporting events than you are.
People should realize the underlying cause here: sure, the uefa messed up, the Belgian authorities messed up, but the real culprit here is fanatism. How do you even begin explaining killing someone ( or beating up) just because they are supporting the opposing team in a game of football ? How utterly bizzare is that ? The society has come a long way and lessons were learnt that day, but there are still fanatics in this world(in football and elsewhere - religion comes to mind), and that should not be tolarated, as when it is, you get these results.
Here here.
not sure if this is true but i heard that some fans threw tomatoes with razor blades inside at each other before the game..
Nope, it is a scouse thing. They’re scum
I think the main problem was the dirty scousers pushing a wall down on people.
It's funny how every opportunity Liverpool fans get they mention Hillsborough but Heysel?
And now with English football fans attackers players going on.
they played the match... that's the bit that gets to me. 39 people died & they went ahead and played the game... on a crime scene.
I genuinely believe that if the game had been cancelled, more people would have died.
I cannot believe they went on with the game, and played with dead people just laying outside of the stadium. That is insane!
+Beth G. if they woudn't have played people would have fought outside and it would have even more disastrous
noa golden That just makes it even more sad.
+noa golden You are probably very right.
It wouldn't be the last time. In 1999, Owen Hart fell from the rafters onto the ring of a WWE pay-per-view, and died. Vince McMahon insisted they continue the show. This shit really should not be happening, but it's now become too common, that it's just too scary.....
***** They gotta make that money apparently...
My dad used to get tickets for the European cup finals due to his job with a tv company and the last one he went to was Liverpool v Roma in 1984. After the problems in Rome he said he wasn't going to another one for the foreseeable future. So glad he didn't go to this one even though he was offered a ticket.
Liverpool were lucky to win that year if roma hadn’t bribed the referee to let them beat Dundee United then Dundee United would’ve obliterated Liverpool in the final
@@kilwolski yeah we were lucky... Lucky that roma didn't get to the officials before the game. I know and have read about the dodgy dealings of roma in that season ...l feel sorry for dundee. But we wouldve beaten them as well i think
Precisely. Heysel wasn't a completely out of the blue incident that could not have been predicted. It was during a period of issues for which everyone passed the buck. Shocking as it was, no one who went to games in those days was surprised.
Adrian Pilcher definitely. It was building up to something like that happening. A death trap of a ground, an inept police force, laughable segregation and a minority of drunken idiots caused the disaster at heysel but the incidents in the weeks beforehand at Luton, Birmingham, Bradford ( although not hooliganism ) and a couple of others meant that it would culminate in something like that.
Mr Kipling, I am so pleased that your Dad didn't go to this game.
Please don't think that I am following you, as we seem to have similar interests.
As always, my very best wishes!
I just want to say as a Juventus fan I have just watched Hillsborough documentary and my views on Liverpool fans has changed but I do believe at Heysel 85 things should of been dealt with better my hearts go out to my fellow Juventus fans but such lies about Hillsborough 89 after 26 years i can only imagine if we can find the truth about Heysel 85 and I will not blame fans for the deaths but UEFA and the owners and organisers of the event for not handling the situation better on both sides. RIP TO JUVE AND LIVERPOOL FANS WHO LOVED THE GAME there deaths will not be remembered as our loss but to be reminded for all of us how far lies to cover up the real truth.
I agree that the families of the victims of Heysel deserve many answers that the authorities have not given. 14 Liverpool fans were convicted of manslaughter, and rightly so (I am a Liverpool fan and I can see how reckless their attack was, and how likely it was to lead to the serious injury or death of spectators in the next terrace). First we must acknowledge the fault of the Liverpool fans who raced across the terrace and the rightness of their criminal prosecution. Only after that can we discuss the many faults of the authorities, UEFA, the police, the managers of the Heysel Stadium. There were many factors that made the attack by Liverpool fans likely (improper segregation, for instance, or loose concrete for throwing) and which made the consequences of the attack across the terrace much worse (the weak retaining wall, for example). First and foremost, we owe the families of the Heysel victims our sympathy and compassion. We also must support them in getting answers from very resistant authorities who want to avoid blame for their part in contributing to the suffering of the victims. The people who were killed at Heysel died of crushing and asphyxiation. Those poor people. Their poor families. It's awful for them. If we can help them, we should. I'm a Liverpool fan, as I have said before. Deep sympathy for the families.
+claudioschumi87 RIP the 39. YNWA
Hooligans are responsible for causing the violence, but stadium and UEFA officials and the police were responsible for preventing foreseeable deaths. I'm glad the hooligans were found guilty, but I doubt any of them could imagine their actions would cause the deaths of so many people, nor do I believe that was their intent. Had they acted the same way in a safer stadium, there would probably have been the usual cuts and bruises, broken bones and concussions. The same actions can lead to different results. I believe people should be held responsible for their actions because they choose their actions, not the result. A reasonably competent safety inspector would not have condoned a cup final match in that stadium. I don't think anyone has ever denied that in principle. What has been denied is any culpability for hosting the game there.
The hooligans were easy targets for justice. They were the cause of the violence, and they needed to be prosecuted. But Maggie's hatred made it easy for people to look no further.
Not addressed in this film were the actions of the Juventus fans in section Z. As I understand, there were bad actors on that side of the fence as well, also throwing debris at the Liverpool supporters. I'm sure they were grossly outnumbered by the English hooligans, but it's another mitigating element that makes part of the whole story.
The hooligans were bad guys, and they will be hated forever, but that will never make a single stadium safer. Quite the contrary.
Completely agree with you. There are faceless people who are responsible for all these deaths. These are the members of the Belgian football association, who were willing to accept people from abroad to spend their money in Brussels; but they were not willing to provide a stadium that was fit for purpose.
The remedy for nearly all of the problems in watching football is all-seater stadia. Terracing, where people are herded like cattle, and a jammed up against one another is primitive. I acknowledge that at the time of Heysel, there was a trend towards all-seater stadia. But it was just not fast enough.
The impression I got was that the clubs would rather have as many people as possible jammed into a stadium, so that they could make as much money as possible.
Claudio87Amorosi I'm a Liverpool fan...And I want to say learning about this over the decades.. This makes so shamed to be English...But at the same time... I wanna know why the heysel stadium was chosen...it was simply unfit to hold such a huge game,and to have both sets of fans next to each other with a chicken wire fence segregating the fans was criminal to say the least...The people who chose that decripped stadium should hung,drung,and quartered...and it was so ironic that the disaster at Hillsborough happened 4 years later...I know that some of us will never be friends...But I hope one day we will unite in hope and in friend ship...rip the Heysel 39,and the Hillsborough 96
My heart absolutely breaks for the people who lost their lives that day, for their families, their loved ones and friends.
I can’t believe that they actually went ahead and played the match. 💔
This is the reason everyone despises Liverpool. They bang on and on about Hillsborough and sweep this shit under the carpet.
Liverpool is the greatest club in the world.....don't ever forget that .....ynwa
100% victims when it suits them
All football clubs had their groups of hooligans. It was never a safe sport to watch during the 80's.
@@craigchalmers6228 what are you smoking u can’t make it past Manchester United and lost against Real Madrid 3 times you only have one League title in the last 30 years you guys prevented many upcoming teams like Everton and Nottingham Forest from the champions league wonder why everyone hates your club and your fanbase.keep on dreaming
Exactly. I was living in Brussels when this happened.
Between these monsters murdering 39 souls and them molesting my mother earlier in the day when she was simply running errands, it’s a day that still haunts me, almost 40 years later.
I wasn’t even a football fan back then, but since that day, I have hated one team on the planet: Liverpool FC.
Unbelievable they played the game after this...so disrespectful to the dead... so ugly
Wow ,
It is very bad which they were already played after the disaster ,
No, the stadium was not fit to host a CL Final. However, it was the Liverpool fans (Hooligans) that caused the tragedy by running at the Police and Juventus supporters. A terrible low in football history.
Fans who at that time were notorious for pushing in mob handed with no tickets. Wonder where else this could have been an issue
@@awgroomsome of them accosted my mother earlier in the day when she was trying to run errands.
That day still haunts me.
@@Trix897I'm so sorry. I have no sympathy for Liverpool fans in '89. Payback's a bitch isn't it.
@@linda10989 it is. Karma is totally a thing.
@@Trix897Exactly!
1985 - game is played after multiple deaths, 35 years later in 2020 - players walk off and game ends after an assistant referee allegedly uses a racist remark. How things have changed.
Good.
I'm a Liverpool fan, it was our ultras. None of us are proud of whats happened in the history of our club. This should never of happened. On behalf of the fans that truly care. We are sorry 🔴❤️
Well said.
I wouldn't say ultras, but cowards against family members. i hate liverpool
Liverpool = scum of the earth
I`m a Liverpool fan since the days of Shankly and i`ll put you straight Liverpool never had a hooligan firm.
@@ianofliverpool7701 never had a firm but you’re still dirty murdering bastards. Always the victims, never your fault.
If the English fans hadn't attacked the condition of the stadium wouldn't have mattered
+LastAvailableAlias Yes and apparently it was the stadium's fault because it supplied weapons....never mind those fans that were the ones wielding them.
+LastAvailableAlias You mean, had the Juve fans not launched an attack to begin with...
+LastAvailableAlias The English fans retaliated they didn't start it you would defend yourself too if you were attacked
Yea maybe it wouldn't have happened. that's correct, maybe it wouldn't have happened if they never kept iron/steel pipes around the stadium as weapons. The stadium was a disaster waiting to happen and should have been renovated or decommissioned. It's just a sad sad event. As poignant as Hillsborough. And I can almost say for a certainty the police/govt let Hillsborough happen, for some form of punishment.
+LastAvailableAlias Yes, you are right. The condition of the stadium only contributed to the harm when the wall collapsed but the attacks across the terrace were the cause of the crush. It is awful.
Those that were responsible for this..........shame on you. Shame on you for your utter callousness and stupidity.
Football hooliganism was standard in the 80s, i am sure no fan that day wanted any people to die that day.
@@innbvvdddyiioknbvzshuiince6439 drunk animals Liverpool fans attacked simple spectators (not ultra violent), even knowing that in sector Z there were families, women, children, Italians, Belgians, French, English sportsmen, in fact even a British citizen died in the crowd, 4 Belgians, 2 French, a Northern Irish, 3 sports fans of the Inter, an 11-year-old boy ... congratulations to the Liverpool fans and to the English sports and political instructions who continue to deny the responsibilities of their alcoholics their compatriots. The decidion to play was made from belgian authority,ti avoid worse accidents
@@dr.sranamore 20 sick individuals, not 20 liverpool fans, what club they support have nothing to do with what happened, RIP
@@hampusbergstrom1352 that was NOT "20", it was WAY more
@@dr.sranamore l'm a liverpool fan....And yes..british football was rife with hooligism in the mid-1980s and beyond....and most of those liverpool fans that fateful night at heysel should be hung, drawn, and quartered for their actions. But so should UEFA and the belgian FA for choosing that shit hole of a stadium in the first place.
17:45 he’s looking up at you in disgust because your taking photos instead of trying to help people not because he doesn’t know what to do
this has been air brushed into history.
No one should die at a sporting event 😢
The match should never have been played. How can any player be expected to play after witnessing that horror over a game of football.
I’d have quit on the spot if I was one of those players.
God bless the families of the Heysel victims. They deserve the whole truth, first of all, from the Liverpool fans who kicked a hole in the fence and charged across the terrace, and secondly from UEFA, the local police, and Heysel Stadium officials. As a Liverpool fan, I support their need for justice and accountability. The most active Liverpool hooligans were prosecuted, but it is time for everyone to come clean, for the sake of the victims' families. Every question they have should be answered.
WhisperDoor as a Liverpool I agree
what you moron.
Inbred Scouse murderers
هل تم القبض على مثيري الشغب ؟
Because of Heysel, English football lost its prestige overnight in Europe, the end of its club dominance and the end of entirely British players playing for all the major clubs.
Honestly this is mainly Liverpool fans fault. As a Liverpool i feel disgraced. That our fans did this
Dont feel bad as long as its not u
You have to remember it was the minority of hooligans who are completely different to football fans who got involved in this.
All scousers are scum. Should be drowned at birth
Sorry to heat that fella, but it was not only yourselves that was to blame, There are other culpable agents.
I was living in Brussels at the time of this murder spree of innocent people.
I’ve hated Liverpool FC from that day forward, because the fans that follow your team are scum.
Interesting how liverpool fans never speak about this
What's to talk about?
Why would they bring it up?
But Liverpool bang on about Hillsborough and have 96 on the back of their shirts what about the victims of Heysel????
@@chriswood753 we don't bang on about Hillsborough. I find it's mongs like you who talk about Hillsborough far more than us.
Who was to blame for this truly? For the most part, it was the Liverpool supporters that were too rowdy and egocentric to not tamper with teh stadium. In others, it was the police for not doing their damnness to prevent this from happening or save the many hurt or killed. But among the biggest offenders was the UEFA, for not only letting the match be played in such an unsafe field, but also insisting the match be played after 39 were killed and refusing to take any responsibility. No matter how you look at it, the greatest monsters are humankind, and members of our own species that could have prevented tragedy, but didn't and allowed many to die to suit their own twisted needs.
Liverpool Fans fault just like Hillsborough they cause trouble everywhere they go vile scum and murderers!
@@chrisdawe3293 Got to agree with you.
Yep. Scousers are scum of the earth. Liverpool should be culled
@@chrisdawe3293 🤣🤣
when will people figure out that it's just a game.....the game shouldn't need policing if people are civilized
Scousers are civilised, don’t go together
I must admit hundreds might have been killed that night if the game hadn’t been played because after the wall collapsed you could see the juventus fans at the other end creating trouble and if it had been abandoned who knows what they would had done. Also,and a similar thing happened at hillsborough the authorities were caught short once the disaster started with regards to the medical provisions and implementation of the disaster plan. They basically ran around like headless chickens not having a clue what to do
Weird how scousers never shut up about hilsborough but never mention this..
Scousers are just a bunch of moaning c**ts with a huge victim mentality.
They don’t want to take accountability for the murders they committed.
Watch the documentary. Juve fans were seen throwing bricks at LFC fans. Both sides committed violence. It's hard to talk about something your club was scapegoated for. Meanwhile UEFA and Belgian FA got away with this.
@@justinboyd8383 can’t even take accountability for heysel 😭 no shame
@@jtokes9400 Liverpool fans who were involved did prison time. Juve fans that were violent didn't do time, neither did the Belgian FA or UEFA officials that put the match in a dilapidated and unsafe stadium.
Wow! I was only three months old when this happened and four years old when Hillsborough happened. I never knew until now and this documentary that the Liverpool fans who I thought had been dealt with and justice had been served for the Heysel 39 were actually set free with no punishment! That's disgusting.
The fact that Liverpool FC swept it under the rug so deeply that you didn’t even know about it is shameful.
Those 39 souls that Liverpool fans murdered deserve so much better.
The 80’s was just a disgusting primal time for football and a stain on the beautiful game
That's why both the FA premiership and the UEFA champions league were formed in 1992
The 1st division clubs broke away from the FA , and formed a new league in part with Sky TV money.
pura mierda.
It was a sell-out, don't you realise?
the only time I've been ashamed to be a Liverpool fan..... my condolences to the bereaved families
YNWA
@Megalodon Unlocked no team will play john barnes as starting XI except Liverpool, even the great three lions doesnt play him in worldcup final
But u don't need to be ashamed bcz they were Leeds and spurs fans
@@shayany7648 nope. They were Scouse scum
How about when Liverpool fans attacked the Man City bus ?
Rest in peace to those who died in this awful tragedy 37 years ago in 1985 today.
29th May 2022.
The final should never have been played at heysel.. first off the stadium inspection had only lasted 30 minutes and it had been unstable for years, Arsenal and West Ham had played at the stadium years before and claimed even then it was falling apart and called it a dump.. plus worse still both the camp nou and bernabeu, stadiums with proper infrastructure and capacity could’ve been used as they were both available for the final
I remember watching it live but I have never been able to watch it ever since..
I was living in Brussels at the time and it still haunts me.
Why was that stadium chosen for the game where both clubs were telling UEFA the stadium wasn't up to scratch. Also why were Juventus fans at the end of the ground.
Please, never ever ever EVER again!!!
I know someone that was there
He has been in Football Stadiums all over the world and he said it was a SHITHOLE of a stadium
And it was hosting A EUROPEAN CUP FINAL????
The stadium didn't attack anyone
@@Dessienewshoesstadium wasn’t fit for purpose. If a house has faulty electrical network, it’s dangerous. If a stadium doesn’t have adequate facilities it’s dangerous.
They stadium being run down has fuck all to do with anything. Juventus fans died running away from Liverpool hooligans. Fact.
Juve fans threw bricks and also instigated violence. Does this not matter?
Why was the European Cup Final played in a knackered crumbling athletics stadium surely the Nou Camp or the Bernabau were available the 1980s were dark days on the terraces - Bradford fire, Heysel and Hillsborough never forgotten RIP
Paul Gray I can’t understand that decision myself. The grounds in Spain were available, the Olympic stadium in Munich might have been available as well. So why they wanted that shithole as the venue I’ll never know. Arsenal played the CWC final there in 1980 and came back and said it was falling apart.
As a Wigan fan, I will always remember this incident.
After Heysel, Wigan Athletic was playing Brentford at Wembley and we had a Police escort there and back. I was only aged 18, and my brother was 21. The Police treated us terribly and it was as if the Heysel disaster was caused by the Wigan Athletic fans.
RIP 39
Good violent copper's back in them days
No messing around, gave you a good hiding
To think the game took place after this...I remember the images from my childhood and somehow this has haunted me more than any other sports tragedy.
You hardly ever hear about this in England.. its hushed up like the Bradford City fire.
The 80s as a Leeds fan was exciting and dangerous.. as soon as you reach the stadium, the cops on their horses try to run u down..
Football is about rivalry and territorialism.. you feel brave in a screaming crowd of 5k ..
I'm glad it's calmed down now.
RIP to all that have died.. no1 should go to a Football match and not come home
@@steve-kl9iv , I agree!
They don't want to upset Victim FC supporters.
Other English clubs shouldn't have been banned for 5 years. Totally unfair on clubs like Arsenal, Everton and Forest.
+Simon Waldram I think it had gotten to the point that if the football authorities were not going to take responsibility for the game as a whole than someone had to,yes it was unfair to those clubs that didn't deserve it,but I don't know whether any other decision could have been made,this was sending a message to all clubs that hooliganism was not going to be tolerated anymore or there would be consequences.
This video says Liverpool fans had a reputation for being well behaved. As an American, I hear that and have no problem with English football being held to account. I remember when this happened, and even here in the US English hooliganism was legendary in those days. Maybe that's a result of Maggie's anti-English football campaign, I dunno. (She and Reagan were in bed tighter than Tony Blair and GW Bush.) It seemed to be on our TV news a lot in those days - another riot involving English fans.
Hardly. Liverpool was just like every English club. Violent beasts. English fans still are the same, actually. It's time for another ban.
@@asdsdjfasdjxajiosdqw8791 Just keep the Russians on hand.
Lewis Carlin russians got ran in Lille when English lads mobbed up. Football in 80s was putting your life at risk but it’s gone way too soft nowadays
platini showing his true colours even then
liverpool fans have selective memory when it comes to hillsborough and heysel
We remember heysel to you muppet. We have a memorial for it and we have banners up in Anfield for it
@@Row1and it's barely ever mentioned you clown
@@frconvey yes because why would we mention disasters. we know what happened and we take responsibility of it
@@Row1and well Hillsborough is mentioned every other day but this has been conveniently swept under the carpet
@@Row1and well ye never shut up about Hillsborough but never mention this
I was living in Melbourne (Australia) that day. It was very early morning when the game was supposed to be played and being 14 my dad said he'd wake me up just before the start.
He woke me at 7am and said to me "I didn't wake you because the game has yet to start. There are more than 50 dead". Just don't understand violence like this. They deserve to be in a psychiatric clinic not on the streets.
I was a 13 year old American living in Brussels that day.
It still haunts me.
I still can’t see the thinking behind uefa’s decision to give 11,000 tickets to so called neutrals in a section right next to the Liverpool fans knowing that most of the tickets would be bought by the large Italian population in Brussels
UEFA gave Z, zone for Liverpool fans, the Belgium Football Assocation did a U-turn and gave it to Juventus. Could also have been the Liverpool fans that died that day if UEFA had their arena placement kept to the right order. Saying that UEFA does not put value on human life. Ultimately all the variables for a game to end in tragedy did...My heart goes out to all Juventus families who lost a loved one that night. We can never repeat those horrific times ever again.
Christ was this film released by the Tory Press Office?
It is an Irish documentary by IRA supporters.
@@saxglend9439 how the fuck is this IRA produced???? they're not taking the piss out of Thatcher and she's about as loved in Ireland as she's in England.
@@bigmouthprick5852 It was made by BBC NI by demonic ICs.
The worst thing about this whole affair is the lack of an apology from liverpool FC.
Why should Liverpool apologise?
@@steve-kl9iv because their fans killed 39 people.
@@Colin_PowerLiverpool have apologised. Representatives went over to Turin in the aftermath if Heysel and spent years building bridges between the clubs.
But tell me, why were "Liverpool fans" wearing arsenal shirts and England shirts?
Also I think it is uefa and the Belgians who should be apologising. Why has there NEVER been an enquiry? UEFA and the Belgians instantly blamed the fans and have never looked at the stadium, the segregation,the policing and why juventus fans filled the neutral section.
And not one juventus fan was arrested for rioting despite over an hour's worth of TV footage clearly identifying Italian thugs.
And guess what? UEFA and FIFA STILL organise football matches were neutral tickets end up on the black markets and rival fans are next to each other with no segregation. That is why Russians were able to run England fans inside the stadium in Marseille
Every time I watch this, it makes me shake my head that today there is an apparent "Against Modern Football" movement that criticizes how the game is today and whines for the return of standing terraces that can only bring about the worst in people. They actually can't stand the fact that the hooligans have now been relegated to the pubs and think those violent individuals should be the ones rather than families the PL should cater to because that will supposedly bring "passion" back to the game.
Germany have standing areas for Bundesliga matches. Fans behind the goals generally stand anyway.
Terraces didn't cause hooliganism. A lot of the time the firms would sit in the seats. I watched football in the 80’s with my Father and we stood on the terraces all the time. We weren’t hooligans. We would just sing and cheer on the team. I would love to see the return of the terraces because it would bring back some atmosphere to English football. Terraces didn’t kill people, either at Heysel or Hillsborough. Heysel was a minority of English fans running at opposing fans who didn’t want to know. That combined with a crumbling ground caused the deaths. Hillsborough was caused by police incompetence. Not terraces.
@@mrkipling2201 , brilliantly said!
That photographer should've tried to help people who were been crushed instead of standing there taking picures of them!
Liverpool murders
anyone know what the music is when they introduce the stadium, around 7:32?
I can not believe what I just watched! Absolute disgrace! And why on earth have I never heard about this! Not anywhere has this been mentioned. Smh
Those poor people can you imagine! God bless them all honestly you are in my thoughts and will continue to be.🙏❤️
You must be 2 years old 😂
@@steve-kl9iv good one Steven
The family's of the Heysel Victim's of Liverpool fans have behaved with proper dignity ever since , the families od the victims of Liverpool fans at Hillsborough have pleated ever since and will now get the compo - life is not fair
MightyRoos The people to blame for the deaths at Heysel were the Liverpool fans.
No body ever blamed the Victims in Sheffield ,as they were the unfortunate people who arrived in a timely manner with tickets and were standing at the front that was never in doubt . It was alleged that late arriving drunk fans pushed them to death, apparently that was not the case
+5888max talking about how would victims at Heysel would have behaved if they treated same way as Hillsborough victims. The cover ups and lies for 27 years. You saying by fighting for justice Liverpool families have no dignity. Not Liverpool families fault that Heysel victims not fight for justice. I personally think they should have fought for justice.
MightyRoos There was no denial of Justice and 30 odd years of whining and endless enquires ,inquests at huge expense to the public purse has not brought anybody back from the dead
.It may have shifted the blame rightly or wrongly from drunk members of the public to sober dibble's , but not for any purpose.
Turin mourned the dead and realised that the pursuing the violent Liverpool fans who caused the deaths would help no one, and detract from the tragedy . Half of Liverpool claims to have been damaged by Hillsborough if people weren't dead it would be Joke as they are it's a sick joke
+5888max I guess the Bloody Sunday massacre victims families have no dignity.
MightyRoos They were pursuing a political agenda so I imagine your view of them is coloured by your view of the political situation in Northern Ireland.
Sadly, it is not just football where it takes loss of lives to bring about change. In an ideal world it should never come to that...
Does a
Anyone remember the Bradford fire RIP
37 years today. Absurd tragedy.
I watched the final live on the SIN TV Network, and I felt sick to my stomach. Those English hooligans wrecked the game for soccer fans everywhere.
* Those Liverpool fans
Very RACIST statement,the Ultras in other parts of the world are not covering soccer in glory
As Juventus fan and proud this game should of never happened and I'm surprised that UEFA was not mentioned or being blamed from the English FA and Margaret Thatcher or the Belgium government or by Federazione Italiano Gioco Calcio as they (UEFA) wanted the match to continue.... I don't blame the players for what happened and especially the Juventus players after winning the match as I strongly believe that celebrating the way they did after was not what people made out it was. They were aware of the issue and it was a win dedicated to the loss of the victims that passed away 3 hours before ...... What people need to understand that this documentary doesn't explain in the best way, that the way we see Football today and the way we look at a major problem during a match or a sporting event is that for a game to be able to continue such fatalities in one sporting event is only a human error that we all tend to do in our lifetime. We could all talk about for hours that the Liverpool fans should of been dealt with sooner rather than later, Police in Haysel was piss poor, no Ambulance or First aid doctors on site ?, the condition of the stadium was not up to the standards of that current modern day Football. Which for me the issue I felt that should be questioned is .... why did UEFA let the the game continue ? how can a major sporting event like European Cup between the two biggest team in Europe was able to play in those condition ? What made UEFA think yeah lets play even though 40 odd Juventus fans are dead laying outside of the stadium car park I think it's alright to play???? Its mad and shameful that UEFA did not take responsibility in all this and the rest was blamed and accused for it ! What upset me is that in this film they made out the Juventus players were the bad and unsporting people just because they won and celebrated after the game was over ? what was they supposed to do ??? they had to play as if nothing happened even though they knew. One thing I can say why didn't both teams refused to play seeing that they were all aware of such tragedy, but I guess like with a lot of things in life some things are not meant to know.
+Josh Speedie yeah i did but thats a good enough excuse for the match not to be prostpone ? the police was shocking to say the least they should of controlled the Liverpool fans better ...
+claudioschumi87 I'm a lifelong Liverpool fan and a survivor of Hillsborough and I will tell you now that the majority of us LFC fan are sickened with what happened BUT to blame the Liverpool fans alone is not on. It is well documented that the two sets of fans were separated by a thin wired fence and that the LFC fans were being pelted with coins and other missiles for a while before the main violence started. The police did nothing to prevent this, there were even some reports of stabbings by the Juve fans through the fence before people had had enough. It was always going to end up badly no matter what BUT I also believe that this was organised, in the main by the British Government to get the English banned from Europe. You only have to see how they covered up the truth about Hillsborough for 27 years to know that the Thatcher era could not be trusted. The other reason I think this is because up until then both sets of fans had mixed together with no arrests or incidents and of course the rules state that no incident outside a ground can bring on any bans or fines on clubs. It has to happen INSIDE the stadium! This doesn't hide one simple fact, 39 people didn't return that day and nothing can bring them back. we do remember them and honour them every year. RIP to the 39.
+Aled Kelly I respect your comments but i want to know is that you mentioned Juve fans were throwing coins at the Liverpool fans didnt the organiser made sure two team fans were separated from each end and were the incident happened was normal fans that dont support both teams just wanted to watch the final? Its the first for me to hear about this being setting up from the goverment well if thats true well it has change my thought on how disgusting politics is and was ...... RIP FOR BOTH JUVE AND LIVERPOOL FANS
+claudioschumi87 there was no segregation that day. Fans were packed in side by side
@@claudioschumi87 Also the year before in the european cup final in rome in 1984 when liverpool beat roma in their olymipic stadium...Liverpool fans were attacked by roma ultras when they left the stadium after the game. And l think that may well of played a part in the tragic events at heysel a year later...
I remember watching the Heysel stadium disaster on the TV & the stadium looked a real shambles. I was at Hillsborough 4 years later. What I can remember it was chaos outside the stadium before the kick off when they open the gates thats when soon got even worse inside the stadium.
A reminder of why I always thought Platini is trash.
comumpintor. And not just him, couldn't stand that Juventus team. Paolo Rossi, also a complete tosser
They honestly admit to don't know the gravity of the incident just happened.
never forget LFC killed the English game but wont accept it. TWICE
Yeah. And your parents dropped you on your head when you were a child idiot
LFC was the scapegoat. Juve fans also committee violence just like Roma did the year prior. The culprits are primarily UEFA and Belgian FA, then the rowdy fans on BOTH sides.
JIM BEGLIN AND THE REST OF THE PLAYERS INTERVIEWED SHOULD BE ASHAMED, of course Liverpool ought to be banned, wtf, saying they should not be banned due to their record of behaviour in Europe before Heysel, sickening.
+connor baz He was right A wall collapsed and killed those unfortunate supporters the authorities got it all wrong, Policing, stadium, segregation etc
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO 14 WERE JAILED AND EVERY FAN KNOWS LIVERPOOL FC THAT THEY SHAMED THE WORLD
+connor baz THAT DAY.
THEY DRUNKENLY TRIED TO SEE THE GAME AND CAUSED SO MANY DEATHS, WHAT YOU MEAN HE IS RIGHT HE NEVER SAID WHAT YOU JUST SAID, I AM SENDING YOUR COMMENT TO THE POLICE, SO IGNORANT
+connor baz See a therapist
+connor baz Your caps lock button appears to be broken.
Wow, what a time 80s football must’ve been. From my view, the ban was merited and forced the clubs to deal with their barbarous fans.
Typical how people seek excuses in the build of the stadium, the security and police organisation,, again and again. Too scared to just put blame to those who are to blame.
the hooligan elements of both the juve and liverpool fanbase are to blame, along with the authorities allowing the match to take place in the way it did
+RuudJH Liverpool fans were prosecuted and convicted of manslaughter for this. No one was "excused."
Exactly. This is fully on the English. English football clubs and fans should have been banned forever across Europe, not just for 5 years.
Shocking how Liverpool claim to be victims of Heysel now!
Do they? How?
really, explain how they don't, i'm very interested
@@awgroom you made the accusations. How do LFC play victim of Heysel?
All I hear from other fans is how English clubs were banned from Europe. 😂
@@steve-kl9iv You challenged my comment because clearly you disagree, so off you go, im very interested
@@awgroom tell me why you have that opinion and I'll prove you wrong.
Sounds to me like you've just repeated the usual slur like a parrot but don't know why you've said it.
The only people playing the victims are rival fans who cry like babies about the European ban. 😭
WTF to even consider playing after such violence? Even if there were no deaths? How the hell can they go on and play..My jaw hit the floor when I heard that! Sick.
If I was the photographer, I wouldn’t have kept taking pics, I would have helped.
Words of wisdom by phil neal.
Why did they play a game after this? Why not get everybody out of the ground except Liverpool fans? Then they could have been detained by police reinforcements and the arrests begun.
+Noun boy - They feared further violence, and possible deaths, if they postponed the match, as the players had wanted. Which is even sadder really. After all the violence, after 39 people died, the organisers feared that the hooligans would riot further if the game wasn't played.
The whole thing was a c*ck-up from beginning to end.
Juventus fans started it so what are you talking about well there both as bad as eachother so yeah
@@MH-vk9lrno.......
the few liverpool supporters and the stadium is to blame but more to blame is the liverpool supporters
The stadium didn't attack anyone
What happened in Hillsboro was terrible. The Liverpool fans and club will never forget the people who died and rightly so.
But they don’t talk about this much.
Never forget!
11:10 that’s not a Liverpool fan. Liverpool fans never wore England shirts. Especially in the 80’s.
Most of the people causing trouble at that end were Liverpool fans. Not that one though. Liverpool fans never wore England shirts in the 1980’s. Anyone who knows football and went to games back then knew that. I’m not a Liverpool fan and I know that.
@@steve-kl9iv absolutely. I’ve got a picture saved from GettyImages and it shows a bloke at the bottom of block X and Y, by the chicken wire fence, and he’s wearing an Arsenal shirt!! I magnified it and it’s as clear as anything. There were definitely fans of other clubs over for a jolly up. Especially with how close Brussels is and it being a European cup final. “ alright John, let’s go to Brussels next week for a punch up. I’ll meet you at Highbury at half 8 on the morning of the 29th “.
14:53 You can see the bloody remains of a trampled victim.
typical liverpool not there fault its the grounds fault but yeah the ground ran at the juventus fans
+James Hingley Agreed - too much hand wringing. Supposedly the stadium's fault at Heysel, the police's fault at Hillsborough. Quite simply it was a combination of Liverpool fans, Juventus fans next and stadium issues last that caused Heysel and bad (though not malicious) policing and a small minority of dodgy fans that caused Hillsborough. The cover-up was understandable/inevitable but ultimately inexcusable, admittedly. But they want to make it more black and white than that and forever absolve themselves if even a sliver of blame comes their way. And blaming Thatcher for damaging English football?? For fuck's sake - after Heysel, there are no two ways about it; something drastic HAD to be done. If anything, she kicked them up the arse by withdrawing them from European competition and forced the clubs to get their acts together after both Heysel and Hillsborough. Along with her favoured 'free enterprise' approach, it led to their long, long overdue modernisation and eventually to the creation of the world's most popular league: the Premiership/Premier League. She deserves some credit for that, but I seriously doubt that Liverpool fans are ever in a million years going to see it that way...
+Ben Sullivan yes it was Liverpool fans fault that entrance to the central pens was unmanned.
Silly comment. The main issue was Juventus hooligans throwing stuff at Reds fans
+Matthew Collins never your fault is it
+James Hingley What does that even mean. I'm just going on the facts. This was mainly down to Juve fans, the stadium and organisation. And a small amount of Liverpool fans were at fault. But overall the facts are it wasn't caused by Liverpool fans. 12, just 12 were found guilty of manslaughter
I hope those liverpool fans shown here are full of remorse and guilt because THEY murdered those people
shame on Liverpool....
I keep watching the platini goal celebration and wonder what the fk he playing at
The fake acting of pretending you're all happy and try to not focus on the sadness and the grief. If only it were that easy. He may have seemed happy, but everyone was still hurting inside....
I agree. Of course Liverpool were rightly punished, but I really disliked how Juventus behaved on this night. The players were extremely crass in their celebrations, and not to mention the crowd violence that was brought upon by the Juventus fans. One Juve fan had a gun on him apparently.
Players weren't aware of fatalities, just disorder
Keane, Gerrard, Terry all look so young now in this program.
Football in the 80s for fans were just awful. Unsafe and embarrassing!
Remember watching it at the time, many accounts blamed Juventus fans for starting the trouble. A stadium in disrepair, a accident waiting to happen. rip to the people lost but it was unfair to lay the blame solely on Liverpool and the English clubs
If the Liverpool fans hadn’t attacked the Juventus fans like this, 39 people wouldn’t have been murdered by your fellow fans.
I saw how awful the fans were behaving that day because I was living in Brussels at the time.
So don’t even blame the Juventus fans. You were the aggressors, plain and simple.
I personally think the stadium wasnt fit to hold a final like that. The fences were weak and not very high. The fans jumped the turnstiles.
Holes in the outside walls. They weren’t even turnstiles really either. An old bloke sitting at a table just inside the entrance to the ground taking tickets. Big queues outside the ground in some places due to the police taking sticks out of the fans flags. Liverpool should have had the whole of that end. There wouldn’t have been any problems then even though the ground was crumbling and a death trap. I think part of the reason for Liverpool fans breaking into the Z section was due to X and Y sections being packed tight and Z being half empty. Liverpool fans thought we’ll go in there for more space and a minority of idiots decided to charge at the Italian fans in section Z. The rest was history unfortunately.
@@mrkipling2201 , you continue to educate me on these matters.
Thank you!
@@paigeleigh2554 I do my best!! Thanks for your nice words!!
@@mrkipling2201 ❤
Hillsborough was a terrible tragedy which now have been resolved, but don't forget when they ended so many lives victim Fc think of the Italians
Those people clambering over that fallen man! Though they are just trying to survive.
Seeing Heysel tragedy still give me goosebumps and horror.
I just hope that never repeat itself.
They shud have banned them for ten years....
JUSTICE FOR THE 39.........eh Merseyside??
People went to jail for Heysal. Not for long enough, but fans went to jail. As did the police chief.
what is your point shit for brains?
I remember the Bradford and Hillsborough tragedies, vividly!
I've known about Hooliganism and all that sort of thing. But I can't believe how in the world I've never heard or seen anything in regards to the Heysel carnage. I do confess that Soccer is not the number one sport that I am a fan of, baseball is. Watching what happened in Brussels has shaken me up pretty hard. I think I owe to my Italian side a head bow, and an apology for constantly making fun of Juventus.
May God Bless the souls of all those who lost their lives in these most unfortunate and very preventable tragedies. Shame on those who cause them physically and those in charge.
The Bradford fire was NOT a result of hooliganism. Research it
@@butterfly-bw6cx quite aware that it wasn't.
I don't know why you assume that. I was talking about the fact that I never heard of the Heysel incident... different paragraph.
I also read it wrong, probably because I am not an english native.
The Liverpool folx want to sweep it under the carpet, because they don’t want to take accountability for what they did.
It’s really hard to take in that people are dead because of fans and uefa
Rip39
Not uefa. Liverpool caused this
The blackest day in European football!....I remember watching horrified as a teenager, it made me ashamed to be English! The ban should have been for 10 years minimum! And justice?!....3 years, half of it suspended... absolute joke!
Only for LFC...why should any other club have suffered because of them lot ?
Nearly 40 years later Liverpool fans brush this incident under the rug
The point is:
NO ONE should have died...
SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!
26:15 - not the first time grobelaar in goal for a dubious penalty
I wonder if the juve fans had any sympathy for the Liverpool fans at Hillsborough
Look up and you will see that some at least do.
Mostly none.. They showed that when we played them en route to Istanbul in the 2005 champions league quarter finals at their ground.. They displayed a grotesque banner about the hillsborough disaster
@@nikreece6295 you may find it grotesque, rest of the world finds it deserving
@@user-vm9hh2se7s really?...that comment just shows everyone that your parents must have been dropped on your head when you were a child...furthermore go back to school and get educated idiot...
Why the fuck would/should they? Karma!
They weren't British, they were English.
They weren't English, they were Scousers
Well said Ben...horrible bastards.
It's time for another ban on English football fans. English football fans ruin every game they go to across Europe. Scum!
@@asdsdjfasdjxajiosdqw8791 just isn't true
@@asdsdjfasdjxajiosdqw8791 not all my friend. You’re being prejudiced.
Should have been at Wembley
No at camp nou
No camp nou
That stadium us an utter disgrace, even without the trouble it was a death trap. Negligence on a monumental scale. Of course those involved are responsible for their own actions but there are people determined to go to football today and they dont get the chance in the ground.
Different culture back then mate wasn't a blame culture
REST IN PEACE 32 + 4+2+1
This is horrifying
Typical Scouse inbred behaviour.
OH MY GOD DEAR STREWTH GORDON BENNETT!!
I was a 9 year old child watching all this unfold on Tv. Poor dilapidated stadiums and hooliganism was a problem throughout football during the 1980s and unfortunately 39 innocent people plus their families suffered because of it. Clubs such as Oxford, Luton and Wimbledon were denied playing in European competitions but something had to be done about it and thankfully now it is much safer to go and watch football as a family. I didnt go much back then with all the hooliganism but now I take my daughter home and away without any fear.
Us Brits have it in our blood to fight, the only way we could get that fix was to fight in and around football stadiums. Not saying I’m a supporter of that or defending the hooliganism, just putting my point forward about our fighting spirit.
Whoever the ticket touts were who sold those tickets to the Juventus fans to find themselves in the section are most responsible for the deaths of those fans.
I have a better idea: learn to behave like civilized human beings.
You don’t see this happening at an NFL game on this side of the pond…so even us Americans are better behaved at sporting events than you are.