The electric scooter law LOOPHOLE you need to know
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- čas přidán 26. 03. 2021
- In the second instalment of our electric scooter series, Eilis takes a closer look at the UK's rental trials and talks to three big names in both retail and rental to hear their side of the story.
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I'm disabled and have had an electric scooter for eighteen months and has given me some mobility back that I lost ten years ago. I will fight anybody who tells me I cannot use one.
Give them a slap from me too 😃
Too right💪
Same here!!! The seat makes it even more incredible! We will win this one!
@XNY 1, good on you and I admire your attitude! 👍🛴
What it still boils down too is the government see it as a money maker if people have there own then no money to be made.at the end of the day nick people who are being stupid just the same as the cops would with cars.there is no diff between a rented one and an owned one.both need trust in the user on how they behave.being rented will not change that.
I am 55, and I want one. I think the whole idea is brilliant. Cheap travel for everyone, no wounded the government hate it.
Wonder?
long term your knees and ankles will not be happy about it
get one with an option for a seat, or an electric bike.
im young and im obsessed with E scooters, but i know when im older id want a more relaxed ride, because standing up kills the feet, ankles, knees and wrists after even a few miles.
Im 54 and i have one..for about two weeks so far..great way to get about..but watch those potholes
why did you have to say your age?
You hit the nail on the head with your first opening comment, the UK government is only out for their self and if they can't make money out of it they are not interested.
In Ireland we are limited to 25km/h and escooters are treated as bicycles. Priority is to use bike lanes, using roads if walkpath is very busy and use walkpath if road is very busy. Simple and make sense.
if i was living in the UK i would totally disguise my scooter as a rental one...
I’ve been thinking this the whole video 😂
@Wayne stevens I was thinking of taping mine up before I paint it, so when they’re eventually legal, I can just peel it off 😂
@@tiki_riot Wrap it. Any colour you like.
@@tiki_riot I know, I was thinking that right at the beginning. lol
Yep, paint it ..
I actually fancy an euc though.
I’m 58 and my scooter is a blessing. I don’t drive but the scooter has given me so much more free time and freedom.
I was disappointed to read the instructions said age 16-50. Made me laugh like a motorbike should have an upper age limit too then.... It's not to be taken seriously but understand the highlighting.
I think these machines have the potential to be a great zero carbon transport type. Just need the government to set some standards and rules. Ride safe mate. 🛴
get a mobility scooter
@@jerryattheolympics1428 not fast or cool enough
Same as my dad he's 61 and it's give him a new lease on life
"You will own nothing & you will be happy"
U vill
We came into this world with nothing and we leave with nothing, we are merely custodians.
"Fascism is the merger of state and corporate power" - Benito Mussolini
They can make us own nothing,they can't make us happy about it.
@@Dave-bu6bc did you hear what Claus scwabb said about air born nano computers that can be released into the air and you breath them in?
@@jennywright4516 wow really? You got a link to the info?
I bought one from my friend last week. I ride it and I own it.
The hell with the law.
Damn right! I know someone who rides past coppers every day and he's still riding.
"youll own nothing and youll be happy"
That is unfortunately the way things are going
👏👏👏👏
Oooo! That’s an evil quote from an evil man
Klaus Shwab - Great Reset - World Economic Forum - "You vill eet zee bugs, you vill live in zee pod"
You can’t take it with you in the end 😬
They’re just scared that we might enjoy ourselves.
Do they stop you driving, riding motorbikes, cycling, rollerblading, skateboarding, flying, climbing, walking, running, listening to music, playing games, eating, drinking, browsing the web, watching CZcams videos or talking on your phone? Oh yeah, quite clearly they don't want you having any fun at all. 🙄
@@another3997 🤡🤡🤡
Maybe they just don't want you killing pedestrians?
I think it's more a case of the government not being able to make money on it. I'm sure it all comes down to money in some way, it usually does.
@@another3997 they wish they could. Chipping away bit by bit. Don't worry, we'll get there
These scooters definitely have there place imagine dropping the car off at the local garage for a service then taking one of these out of the boot to ride home on
That's hilarious because I literally just did this today lol
I'm 53. I've had a Swifty for just over three years, I've hardly used it. But aches pains and arthritis started so I started two months ago. I am now virtually painless. Thanks to scooting
I'm 70 an I've had a Xiaomi M365 Pro for 2 years now. I wouldn't be without it. Had a puncture last year during the first lockdown and had to get it fixed immediately. I felt lost without it.
I can't use it to commute (too far), but I use it all the time locally, weather permitting.
Never been stopped by the police.
Don't care about the legality.
It's a no-brainer.
That's amazing, I seen a guy in another channel who said he picked up one at 58 and some people were bugging him about it, but you're showing them just by doing what you're doing. Too bad I can't show him your comment, I'm sure he would have appreciated it. He had some good support too though so it's not all bad.
I bet you've never had a speeding ticket in all 70 years, but might get one now 😅
good on you pa! I wish you live long and well and I love the quote: Don't care about the legality" haha......XD
That’s good glad you’ve not been stopped but it’s okay for you your an adult police are gonna stop younger people who may use e scooters legitimately like going to work like my self on my scooter and still be stopped because police know they have more power over a younger person but then admittedly there are young people wrecking it for loads of people selling drugs on them causing police chase and that so far I’ve been lucky I have a Chaos GT1600 Sport 48v Lithium Hub Drive and I love it has its own key, a display at front tells me my speed how much battery is left, how many miles I’ve done tells me what setting I have it in from 1 slowest to 3 fastest has a seat a horn a light and everything I love it and it’s saved so much time going to work but I think the government need to sort it out ASPA and make it fair for all ages like I’ve said before if your driving it unsafe like a dick head selling drugs on it causing trouble and so on then it should be taken off you but if your just commuting on it and you have a full license or provisional then you should be able to go about your business commuting and not have any bother.
I'm 55, i use mine for work and cops past me and nothing yet. Will carry on using it.
I feel for you UK brothers and sisters, I can only imagine the dinosaur that came up with this law
I'm a cyclist and E-Scooter users are just like cyclist, most know what they're doing but there are some idiots who don't know what they're doing or don't care. We need to figure out how to regulate both honestly.
England's always "behind the times",haha...old fashioned stick in the muds.
For real the UK is always 10 years behind. They don’t see the potential. They only see it as a threat. If people use e-scooters, then less people will use buses, trains, hire bicycles/scooters then how will they make money? They always publish the negatives and how dangerous these are. The UK needs to learn how to adapt. I wish we could be less stuck in the times and look at how other countries are implementing e-scooters in a safe manner. 🙄
@@xTridentGirlx ..Well said!.. You're on the 💰....Yes,paranoia of anything new,useful,and hard to tax,.. seems to be very prevalent in" Planet" England,haha😉🤞🥂
@@CoachJAllenUoM it's easy,just baseball bat the idiot ones as they pass!
I’m from USA hope things get better for you guys! 😎 I’m scootering everyday wohooooo!
Well edited, great interviews and production value. Much better than a lot of CZcams content.
She hit the nail on the head.. this was my thought on why they don't want... no money to be made.. more scooters in cities less money authorities & government make... no fuel tax..road tax.. no parking charges.. no parking tickets... no need for public transport no need to fill up your car just sit in a traffic jam burning fuel... more you burn more tax government make..
It's alot deeper than that and not so sinister. There's many cities in the UK that are so polluted with regular built up traffic. That costs alot of money for drivers and council. There's fines and more problems for high emissions in city areas, emissions charges for drivers and the council and alsos fines for your country all tied to European emissions regs. Not only that but people moving out of London due travel times or congestion charges and fuel costs etc etc hits the pockets of the local council and the same goes in other cities. Scooters keep people Close and more Importantly in the shops and renting locally etc etc. I've noticed myself stopping at coffee shops and sitting down and having five minutes at a cafe that normally in my car I would pass by and not blink. However there are downsides for the scooter rider long term and that's health. I've barely walked since owning my scooter, getting about town is a little slower than the car (but not much) it's alot cheaper and I can get places my car can't. So walking has almost Become redundant other when I'm at work.
The UK has to pay alot of fines and taxes based on pollution levels that's are Co fined to only a handful of town and cities in the UK. The government would welcome less cars in those places. That's the reason for parking fines ans congestion charges. Without them the roads would be filled tenfold. If it was about making money they wouldn't care. Scooters will Soon be legal from what I'm hearing. Early next year Is what I've read.
So the government dictate which scooters you can have. How about this.... Everyone has to dump their cars and have a government rental Trebant on a long term lease.
Don't give them any ideas T-T
so like a Communist country
@@wanderingbox7971 So the tories are taking the whole party-of-the-people thing quite seriously after all!
The great reset, "you will own nothing and be happy". This crazy no private property law is the plan for us all, this is why cars are becoming lease items too. All part of the plan for the rented future hell.
@@thistimeimhere well the car rental thing is more economic pressure than government IMHO. Cars are expensive and nobody has any money, and these leasing services are everywhere and get you into a new car for less monthly cost (ignoring the fact that you're throwing your money away...). Businesses figure out it's better for their bottom line... after having you cover the depreciation on the vehicle for a few years, they can then just sell it on to someone else... ugh...
The government wants everyone to give up on petrol /diesel cars and go electric yet won't allow for private owned electric scooter to be used as a mode of transport unless rented ?? Have I got that right cos if I have it sounds loony ?
I live 4 km from work in Brussels. It's a 50 min walk (I did walk once) or 20-40 min car journey depending on traffic. I've owned a private scooter for 1 year now. I get to work in 20 mins flat and just fold the scooter and carry it into the office. I use it for all sorts of local trips to the shops. I drop my family by car when we go to friends, but then return on the scooter so I can drink and the scooter fits in the taxi home. I can't imagine life without it. There are always idiots who need to learn what's acceptable and what's not. Most people ride sensibly. I hope UK politicians can see the light and pass legislation soon.
I can’t walk very well but do not want a mobility scooter. I’d like an e-scooter to help me be more mobile. Pity they can’t be classed also as a mobility aid.
Im disabled im not ready for mobility chariot, i ride a big powerful sit down
e scooter, they dont bother me, its gave me a new lease in life, if you sensible do you really think any copper going to nick a disabled person on a scooter, just tell them you can't walk and they will have to get you ambulance or carry you
The completely daft thing with mobility scooters is you do not have to prove to some shops that you have any disability to purchase one and once you have one you are allowed to take it inside shops drive on pavements etc. Yet our government will not legalize private ownership of an e-scooter. If anything an e-scooter could be used more effectively as a mobility aid and it can be stored away much more easily
We need to start a petition.
There's an e-petition on the Halfords website
There have been many already ...Imo the only way to get this government to act is to shame them by exposing the mindset of profit .. rather than the thing that matters .... Environment.
Sign me up pal, it's pathetic. Even the most limp gimboid alive can control one.
@@multipreach2674 everyone share the petition
Yeah to ban them outright...
They've been demonised in the UK and its pathetic 😒
czcams.com/video/at5-7pQXh2A/video.html ti does not matter, happy scootering
Same in Australia
Illegal to ride in public
They say people do the wrong thing
Like millions of people
In cars who get caught speeding tickets etc
Do we ban car companies now
??
Most of the people I see who use them pass people too close, don’t follow road laws and when spoken to are violent of abusive.
Bloody keep them banned or fully regulate
True but they don't ban BMW etc for people doing it in cars
Speeding parking tickets drink driving etc etc etc
@dstroud666 so should we ban cars , motorbikes , push bikes even skateboards as well ? No !!! Because it's the small minority of idiots controlling them who are the problem not the machines themselves
I hope they sort it out, picking up my first e scooter this week!
Wasn't a fan when they first came out, then I had a go on one. As a kid born in the 70s the thought I can jump on something this small with a 15 mile range would have been mind blowing, it's almost upnthere with the fabled hoverboard dream lol.
I can’t wait till the day I can ride my own privately owned e scooter legally in the UK I own one already and haven’t been caught YET! But I’m looking forward to not having to worry or having to look over my shoulder every 2 mins
Me too, it kinda spoils a nice ride keep looking for the plod.
In Birmingham they don’t care. The unofficial position is to turn a blind eye unless you’re doing something really stupid. I even had one tell me that’d he’d love to have a go one but declined my offer to try mine out, said it wouldn’t be appropriate.
I pass plenty of police, as well as my friend who has a Kaabo Wolf Warrior which goes 50mph+, none of them even care to look at us anymore.
You Are not going to get that day this is the day whnen coruption in england will finish never
I have a wolf warrior I approached a red traffic light and a police van was stopped next to me. Didn't bat an eye. As long as you don't take the piss by speeding and riding recklessly then they won't talk to you. Additionally I had a helmet and gloves on so they had the idea I was a safe rider.
Tories will franchise it to one of their mates . Just like PPE
Zzzzzz
@@1412moore you zzzzz while they steal!
Get a grip lol
@@1412moore 22 billion on a test n trace that doesn't work turning down a free one that did work! zzzzz
They already have with the rentals
This could be an excellent push towards more bike lanes being installed - if there were another group of people lining up to use them... 😊
I really want one but what are the insurance implications with the scooters?
Hello, People who own there scooter will look after them, and not be left on the street to block the way, We could pay £50 a year for insurance and have a number plate ,fine people if they go mad , wear crash hat , hi vis things , stick to cycle lanes , or the road as we paid £50, keep to 15 mph if you want to go faster get a moped , if it raining a lot scooters wont come out , ( have a person with a red flag in front ) thank you xx
Renting an escooter is just greed for money the law should give the freedom to everyone the choices. 🙃
Trouble is we have narrow footways in uk, not enough cycle lanes, and have KIDS racing around where pedestrians walk,, same issue with bicycles mind, kids do just 'drop where they stop' they don't put them saftetly against a wall or fence, if you have 10 youngsters out for a ride to go into shop they drop them all over the walkway.
We have rental scooters in my city and I see them parked around downtown and the U. I live in a medium size city so they're really not a problem so far. Plus, they're handy in the neighborhood areas for those who need to go to the corner stores, especially if they have a handicap.
I’ve ordered an 800 watt scooter with seat which may do 25mph, but I’m sensible and will use this sensibly in the cycle lanes here in south Manchester. I am too old (late 60s) to use a pedal bike and can’t wait to use this instead of using the car for my shopping.
Update, after several weeks of riding this, it has been great fun to ride, however I have now replaced it with an e bike so as not to get into trouble with the police.
People who actually own scooters and use them for specific purposes, WILL take care of them. Especially when they're 700$ and up.. Rental scooters are the equivalent to shopping carts. They aren't going to be taken care of and will be treated as such. Just another way for the Govt to keeps people's money. I feel bad for people in the UK.
I'm in New York... scooters illegal here too. But a lot of people are seen riding them. Including me. It's our country, and governments wages paid from our taxes. WTF?
If you knew what you were talking about, you wouldn't spout such rubbish. Rental scooters are maintained by the companies running the individual schemes. The government aren't making money from this, quite the opposite. It's just a stop gap until the old laws are changed to accommodate electric scooters, in line with e-bikes etc. When that is done, anybody can then buy and use one on public roads etc. Until then, they currently require insurance and specific technical features to be road legal.
@@jamesdspaderf2883 That argument is pretty silly. Your taxes help pay for many things, a small part of which is wages for the people who actually setup, organise and deliver the services and facilities you take for granted. Do you think you should be allowed to do anything you like, just because you pay taxes?
@@another3997 I do. Stop drinking that fluoride. Everything is a monopoly. Just another way for the big man to control you.
@@another3997 🤡🤡🤡🤡
Great content and presentation on thorny subject! Keep up the great work everyone! :)
I've just brought 3 segway G30's. This so we can use them on weekends away with the camper but also so I can commute to work. There is no rental companies available in Devon. Are there any updates on the law change?
Did you find anything out since asking here? I just sold my car and want a e scooter for freedom locally, my breathing is bad and a scooter would be more acceptable than a 4 wheeled mobility “scooter” Here in Leeds it is still a no no but I see many people using them. It is absurd the way things stand.
@@breakit46 Not had any info I'm afraid. I feel so frustrated over this as I'm sure you do.
The one thing I'm waiting on is the law that is bring introduced either later this year or early next year.
They have now been legalised in the uk but the laws have not been made, hence they are still illegal.
I live in Germany and my E-Scooter really changed my life. I owned it for about 7 months now and I replaced all of my previously car-driven routes with this scooter. Even in the winter when it’s cold and there’s some snow I can drive just fine (maybe a little bit slower because it’s slippery on snow). Now in spring I plan to get rid of my car entirely and forever. Main reasons are that the scooter is way more climate friendly than a car, that the scooter is way cheaper, more fun and independent (I charge it completely off of my solar system). I‘m not a fan of the car-centric traffic system and that scooter helps me hating cars even more 😅.
So where’s the “legal loophole”???
Yet another clickbait title!
@ferret Wait, you didn't stupidly assume Daniele was from the area and thus would know the local laws did you?
@@chronometer9931 the difference is ebike are power assist, so if you set it so that you have to push start it........ if wont drive on its own power, you have to push start it
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@@fpvrc9829 what you talking about there a ton of throttle ebikes
You go girl 💪😎👊. I love my scooter and I’m on it everyday. “Just be safe and respect everyone around you when riding “is what I say.
I love mine but I see police at least 2 or 3 times when I’m riding. I been riding for a month. In edge of road, mainly side streets no faster then 14mph and I get scared every time I see police. I’d be gutted for them to take my scooter away
In an ideal world, unfortunately the world is full of idiots.
@@grahamkelly8662 I'm thinking of buying one, because I honestly can't wait for this new legislation to be passed. But I am super nervous for me to get it and then get it taken away. Would it be possible for you somehow keep me updated on any encounters you have? I wonder if there will be a point in the future when police start pulling them all over...
hi mate. I understand your worries, I feel the same. Well, I now have 2 e scooters, 1st I rode everyday for around a month, about 140miles. I pass police around 3 times per ride, mainly because I live near a busy main road and I have to use said road to get to nice quiet streets and police are flying up and down constantly. I’ve not been stopped. I’ve been at traffic lights, police on other side, we both at front and they looking at me and they just ride on. That’s happened a good few times now. Recently, I took scooter to local store at 4am to get some bits and guess who is sitting directly outside shop, yep police. I was tempted to just ride on but I acted normal, went in shop with scooter, came out and they was gone. Yeh, I feel ya about your comment, regarding if/when police will be instructed to stop every e scooter rider they see and warn, fine or take scooter. I mainly use my scooters for pleasure rides, going shopping, post office, takeaway etc I don’t use for work. I would if it was local but fuck going 10plus miles on an e scooter with our shit roads and inconsiderate car/van/bus drivers. Here’s my advice.
1. Buy an e scooter if you think you’ll get a fair amount of use from it and poss try a friends first.
2. Remember it may get taken away so if money is tight, don’t go out buying a 2 grand scooter that you can’t afford to lose.
3. My first scooter cost under £300 and if your anxious, it may be best to buy a cheaper 1 and if it gets taken it’s not a huge lose . For me I said if I can get a year use from my £270 scooter and then police take, I wouldn’t be too bothered as i had a year of fun with it.
3. If your in love with an expensive fast scooter and have to have it, do not ride along at 30mph+ or police will deff have you, wear helmet and try not to ride on pavement.
4. If you do buy 1 try not to worry. Easier said then done but if your too full of fear, you’ll hardly ride it and not have fun.
5. Do a little research so you buy the right scooter for you.
You know the laws and I’m not going to say go for it or not. That’s up to you. 1 more important bit of advice. Try and get air filled tyres and suspension is a bonus. My first scooter has hard tyres no suspension and is a rough ride on anything other then smooth tarmac. My 2nd scooter was £140 more then 1st, it has 10inch air filled tyres suspension on front and back and goes a fair bit faster, has bight led lights, key ignition , more range etc . If you have any questions or want any advice about a certain scooter, feel free to give me a shout 👍
@@grahamkelly8662 Thanks so much for taking the time to write such a long reply. I'm thinking of getting a pure air pro, in anticipation of future legislation restricting them to 15.5 mph. I would use it for commuting through north London. Thanks again for writing that I feel a lot better about it now.
Wow, this video has been very enlightening for me… I live in the US (Florida)… and I just purchased a scooter that goes 60mph. I didn’t have to ask the government, I share the roads with cars safely. I slow down and share the sidewalk (pavement) with pedestrians. It all works out great. This makes me even more nervous for our old man pro-government President…. Sheesh, leave me alone and let me be free. Wow. Good luck UK! I’m with you in your fight!
Why was the trial extented to March 2022 when it was going to end this August please?
Because London has joined late and London is all what matters in the UK mate. Disgusting to say the least.
so no loophole then! this is just an advert for rental! if i get an e-bike i can cycle at 20 mph but a scooter that does 15:5 mph still illegal and the papers always make up stories that mp's then make stupid laws!
does anyone remember kung fu movie without knunchucker?! click bait video.
If you are riding at 20mph it's all down to you, the motor isn't running it's just a heavy bike.Getting you fit though.
@@philspencelayh5464 you can hit 20 going down hill with electric power alone! but because its a bike! if you are extremely good cyclist with a top end bike you can hit 40 mph in a 30 zone! how many get stopped for speeding? the whole system is a joke.
@@sirgaymeerkat1994 unless the bike has been made illegal you cant go on electric power alone at all, you must pedal as well, when you get to 15.5mph the electric motor cuts off. You can go as fast as you can pedal it but the electric motor is making no contribution when you exceed 15.5mph its just a bike like any other at that point. I have had mine going at more than 30 down a steep hill, no pedaling and no motor its just gravity. Anything with wheels will go fast down a steep hill even a scooter. Its nice to have chunky disk brakes though, do you get them on scooters?
@@philspencelayh5464 yes! you can get disk breaks! my point is it shouldn't be illegal unless you can go faster than 25 and over a certain amount of horse power like it is with mopeds! the law is stupid and only has been put there to give a monopoly for the scooter higher companies.
@@sirgaymeerkat1994 Good luck with that. We have a trial scheme in our area and the only ones I have seen are being ridden on the footpath even when there is a cycle track right beside them, There are a rising number of illegal ones too and they stick to the footpaths as well. They cannot be allowed to mix with pedestrians, because the pedestrians are not looking out for what is effectively a very quiet motorbike in amongst them. They should be allowed by law and like any other motor vehicle they should be taxed and insured and mot ed and only driven on the road by licenced users who have passed a driving test.
I support the use of these scooters but here in Hartlepool I've noticed people are riding them with dark clothing on. I feel they should wear hi vis. To be honest it's the same for bicycles. 😎
Yeah I wear a hi viz with mine. Mainly as a way to show police I'm not a piss taker. But also because my uniform is black 😂
"I feel they should wear hi vis. T" Feelings are irrelevant.
And no, they should not have to look like a fucking idiot to use an elscooter. They have front and rear lights, if you can't see them, get off the road.
We can go ahead with your plan once we pass the law that forces you to wear a clown suit when you go out in public, because we "feel" like that's an equal trade off. While we are at it, let's take away your right to drink coffee and assign you a government mandated exercise regimen as well.
Elscooters belong on pavement, it's as easy as that.. Together with bikes, yes I said it.. There should be no right to cycle as fast as you want.. Impost speed limites on pavement and make cyclcunts slow the fuck down.
Here where I live many of them act like they're training to, or are doing Tour de France. And why the hell do we accept PUBLIC roads being closed for PRIVATE events? Make them make their own fucking track! Roads are for the public, not for bicycle races.
@@AndreasEUR as long as you accept that for soccer, Olympics and running.
I am 71 and ride my e-scooter regularly. No real problems apart from the odd cop about to say something on the street..but I don't stop. Ride in parks..costal paths...cycle lanes..not often on the pavement. Just ride sensibly and not too fast in busy areas. They are great localised personal transport for exploring on
Absolutely!
Do an updated video this was a good watch! Heard that bill has passed and will be legal to ride our private ones in December?
I've had an electric scooter now for nearly 2 en half years.. En ride it sensible en never on footpaths.. I'm 50yrs old en really don't understand what all the bad publicity is about..
It still baffles me that some people justify riding a 1.5ton(thanks Steve) vehicle that kills thousands per year to haul a 75kg human for 5 miles back and forth.
@Harrrive I consistently see people who drives to the speed limit to save time in their commute but take 30mins to park their car.
@Harrrive Freeing or freezing!
@Harrrive My downer in the winter is that I have solid tyres, so they can be quite slippy.
@Harrrive Pneumatic tyres grip a lot better.
Brilliant, I wish I'd thought of putting it like that. It is crazy when you stop and think about it. I do all journeys of less than about 20 miles on my bike now and have done since covid appeared but it would be great to have the option to use a scooter for some of them, especially when going to an area risky for theft as a scooter can be taken inside a workplace for example.
Good luck to you all across the pond ✌️💕🇺🇸
Fingers crossed that things change soon, for the better. I'm desperate to get one!
Great video that helps push discussion forward around this contentious topic.. well done!
Personally, as with everything that involves the legislative process, I would strongly advise caution against pushing for whichever (greener) mandate by whomever resides in No.10, especially when in lockstep with avant-garde tech and consequent policy.
Time, time, time; must be taken especially for something which has the potential to change the very way our neighborhoods and cities interact and operate.
Trial and derive (from case law) instead of retrospective accession, and devolve the final say to individual councils/boroughs/(combined) local authorities on whether to let the shiny new zippers in to their local backyard.
Cheers.
So there is no loophole and this video is just an advert for scooter rental companies?
Thanks 😊
Back in the day, you were not allowed to buy your own landline phone, or even connect your own gas cooker. After which it was all allowed. For gas cookers, I think you still have to have a safety certificate.
why is it 65 per month in Oxford, and 35 (40 from 1st July) in west England area?
I’m massively in favour of scooters but driving a large van around London, it’s a bloody nightmare. Some clearly have a death wish with 3+tons of metal!
Licence plate, cbt training and mandatory helmet is a minimum imho.
No one thinks about the mental state of a vehicle owner that has injured someone, regardless of fault!
Actually, I’ll change my ‘some people have a death wish’ to *most have a death wish!
@@p9917j People should have the right to choose. What are you even saying with the last part, It's just a fact of life, sometimes bad things happen and we have to be adults and deal with them, not children who want to bubble wrap everything.
@@chronometer9931 yeah, i get that BUT that’s not what i’m talking about. There’s wilful disregard or respect from these extremely vulnerable riders zipping around 1, 2 tons and larger vehicle’s. So common to see these blissfully unaware idiots jumping into braking zones created by the driver. You may say , that’s their choice but what about the driver who now has reduced brake zone and could crush them as a result. They also have to live with killing someone regardless of whose choice it is. I’d let it go if it were an isolated issue but it’s the norm in London now. It’s a real problem that needs regulations and recourse if the worst were to happen.
Paul. I agree, a lot of people use these with no regard for their safety. It's the same with mobility carts and bicycles. There are those who think they have every right to ignore the "rules of the road" or just dont know them putting themselves at risk of serious injury or death and the only person who will have the finger of blame pointed at them will be the driver of the vehicle that has run them over. Clear regulations to make it safe for all is the only way to go.
So happy to be in Seattle. Nobody hassles the scooter riders here. Speed limit in the city of 30mph but the cops have more on their plate than scooters.
Im in the states also and am shopping for a scooter. What brand do you have?
@@Myboogie0906 A Glion Dolly. My little friend is welcome on the train and in the office.
I'm 56 and I own and use mine in Sydney Australia to commute to work. We can use the bike tracks on the road providing we have a helmet. I love it!
2 years later and they are still illegal unless part of a trial. But I still see them being used in my town.
Edit: 2024 and still no sight of legislation. Rental trials extended until 2026. So in the meantime escooter riders ride responsibly with consideration for others if you are going to ride them and the police don’t catch you.
I have a private one had it for about 3 plus years. I am not using it since all the fuss. Its the future, not just for cities its for towns and villages too. Should also be for shared paths, mine hardly goes very fast just a great way of getting from A to B and better for the environment. Cycle/ scooter lanes need to be everywhere now. Less cars on the road the better.
bicycles are better in every way
Control, Control and a little more control. Soon we will hear of people being fined for walking to fast or even breathing to much.
You are definitely breathing too much!!
Its all about money. They just want to screw us every which way they can. This how you can tell if a government enslaving you.
"You will own nothing and be happy" - World Economic Forum
And how do you suppose they would police that?
Dallas TX had "rental bikes" - like 5 companies came in and they were laying all over town. Then they started licensing them and they all ended up in the scrapyard. Then e-scooters came and the same thing happened. Half the companies pulled out and last time I looked I did not see a single e-scooter anywhere. No idea how many landfills THAT created.
Well they got me. I don’t want to say a lot at the moment but I was stopped on the edge of town away from major traffic/pedestrian areas. 15 months/over 2000 miles on the clock and no accidents. I won’t lie, I’ve had a few close scrapes but I’ve learnt from all of them. I’ll be back.
I’m autistic; my EUC is the only thing that gets me out of the house and talking to people. It has been truly life changing. I spend more time suffering from anxiety that I will have it taken off me, than I do enjoying it. It’s really awful :(
Fuck da fed bro
Make it same colour as the rentals mate! Don't let anyone take your freedom please, how can they say a company can get insured but you can't? Don't accept it theirs your justification right there, you could argue that in a court.dont worry about it to much it's a scooter ,stuff em ! If you can't get past the anxiety sell it and just get an e bike no one will look twice 👍 I've got your back mate
@@adgooch7106 it’s an EUC rather than a scooter. Already looked into setting up a company and renting it to myself. Have taken out 3rd party electric bike cover as it’s all I can do (I believe the government are acting illegally by permitting long term hire and not permitting purchase). I used to cycle 150 miles a week to clear my head, but my knee is incredibly bad. This is the way I can ride my old routes and get out by myself. Thanks for the support :)
Make your own wooden one. Government legalised private hire because they can tax you. If they can't tax it then they ban it. Do dogs pay to travel?
Do they take it away from you if caught? I thought they would just fine you. I'm just curious. I dont live in the UK.
its not the gun that KILLS its the person that PULLS THE TRIGGER
totally but as always uk gov are idiots
True, but the person can’t pull a trigger if it doesn’t exist.
But it’s nuts that we can’t own a scooter but can rent one. Wtf, how stupid is the government.
@@SirHackaL0t. the reason you and I can hire a scooter is because you will have to have a provisional and that will include insurance for accidents dont get me wrong i have and own a very powerful scooter but yet I don't need a licence or insurance for a pedal bike the government needs age restrictions not speed restrictions you get idiots going on motorways I my self stop and pull to one side to let people walk past and they are so shocked if a payment is heavily populated I push the scooter with age comes sense 😉
@@SirHackaL0t. The aim is to exempt them in the same way as electrically -assisted pedal cycles. Until they are exempted they need insurance (and insurance companies can't offer insurance to individuals for an illegal vehicle!). Therefore the only way to do a trial is to authorise various companies to hire them out and for the company to pay for liability insurance.
@@SirHackaL0t.The idea of making all guns disappear is impossible and the situation here isn't actually much different. Gun ownership in the near future seems inevitable as everyone will be able to make one with ease. E Scooters are here to stay and even now in the UK so many are riding them legal or not, it's going to grow, people can't afford to drive, people are living pay check to pay check. It's like trying to stop homelessness by banning homelessness...
I’d rather have a onewheel. Will this only apply to scooters? What about electric boards or EUC devices?
It’s nothing to do with money. It’s all about “power and control”. Government want a way where they are able punish the abusers who act recklessly as they do when it comes to driving a car, motorbike, or any bigger motor vehicles.
Road tax and insurance will be suffice to put on the privately owned E-Scooters.
It’s all to do with money
I’m a 58 year old with a killer scooter, it’s great. Have never fallen off because I practice common sense. I take it on holidays, saves me so much fuel. I love them and would buy more in the future. My kids reckon I’m like a big kid on mine. So age so far, no problem! I’m in Australia, so u can own and use them here!
No you can't mate. They are illegal in au.
Overall, a very informative video. Thank you for this.
Do you have to get insurance and road tax for these scooters ?
"You will own nothing and you will be happy" - 'World Economic Forum' - Great Reset - the new normal.
Thank you. At least we can see what's really going on. The also added "you have no privacy" to you will own nothing and be happy. How convenient, they are equipped with cameras and GPS.
I’m 68 and love my scooter. Even put a seat on it!
70 year old broad here. I love my scoot too!
Love it! Its great to get out in the fresh air so healthy!
Laws need to drawn up, but the government as per usual will delay this for a while, which is disappointing.
They have to make sure them and their cronies are invested first. You know, to profit from this boom. Then they will latch on and make law and control. Again they want it all!
Wouldn't it be simpler/cheaper just to lump them in with bikes and e-bikes? Add a subgroup (e-scooters up to whatever restricted speed) and we're off. Does it need to be complicated? What about a year trial regulation and see what happens..?
@@flannel2699 That's exactly what they are doing! The aim is to exempt them in the same way as electrically -assisted pedal cycles. Until they are exempted they need insurance (and insurance companies can't offer insurance to individuals for an illegal vehicle!). Therefore the only way to do a trial is to authorise various companies to hire them out and for the company to pay for liability insurance.
@@robertstallard7836 so these schemes are a stop gap? Better than nothing I suppose.. My thought was to trial an 'equivalent-status to bicycles law' for a set period to monitor the effects. What might be interesting is to see whether a successful integration of e-scooters and bicycles might lead to a relaxing of pedal assisted e-bike regs to allow for assisted coasting. Last time I looked I think such a feature was not allowed.
@@flannel2699 Yes, you're right; it's trial. I'm pretty sure they'll be exempted. The problem is that covid has meant far fewer vehicles on the roads generally, so the trial has had to be extended somewhat to get a truer picture of their impact under normal conditions.
A lot will depend on how responsible people are with them. Bicycles being ridden on the pavements is a big problem already, and if riders are tempted to do the same with e-scooters (or leave them scattered about on the pavement outside shops etc.) then they'll be less likely to be exempted as they'll just add to the problem.
Do you have heard of the great reset haven’t you? Do you know the one with a catchy tagline, ‘ you will owe nothing and be happy’
They take your stuff, you fight back. Only lesson I learnt in school.
I own next to nothing and I’m very happy. Much more than when I had loads of stuff. Materialism is just a habit. For virtually all of humanity’s existence we managed without rampant consumerism. Of course, the rich have always flaunted their wealth (it’s a dick-waving competition, with them) but, while it’s obscene, it has less impact globally than the zillions of plastic bottles the rest of us consume.
Yes, governments have to act but we have to act, too. Complain about the rich and powerful all you like but don’t use their inaction as an excuse not to green your own life.
Those road legal (UK) electric dirt bikes can go to 50mph are fine?
£35 a month, buys scooter for £300 and rides for a few years.
Scooter for 300 will be absolute shit. Try more like 1500
@@aks13v35 That wasn't the message, but yes, I'd rather an 11X or Dualtron.
@@TheLondonCyclist I was driving M365 Pro, then Zero 9.And now I am with an Inokim OX. It's my main and only transport in the city and I am driving mainly on the streets. Might be expensive, but it's safe and practical if you go for a bigger, faster and better build scooter. I know that the good scooters are quite expensive still, but there is second hand options aswell.
It is already 40£/month 😂🤣🤣
@@aks13v35 rubbish u know nothing
How comes the rental scooter can get insured to use on the road but we can't
@Peter Hicks No; the aim is to exempt them in the same way as electrically -assisted pedal cycles. Until they are exempted they need insurance (and insurance companies can't offer insurance to individuals for an illegal vehicle!). Therefore the only way to do a trial is to authorise various companies to hire them out and for the company to pay for liability insurance.
@Peter Hicks You don't have to believe me, Peter, but I think you're missing the point that the whole idea behind the present trial period is so that e-scooters can be granted the same exemption as electrically-assisted pedal cycles. The same argument you have made could also be made for them, but the government still exempted them from the need for insurance.
The trial is going to have to go on for a bit longer because much of it has coincided with the onset of covid and much-reduced traffic density. Once that returns to normal, the trail will then show whether e-scooters can indeed be exempted. Much depends on the riders and the way they use them. If they ride them all over the pavement and leave them outside shops causing an obstruction, then there is less likelihood of that happening.
If you look up the legislation behind the trials, you'll see thatv the aim is, indeed, to get them exempted (or, at least, those up to a certain power and speed etc.).
@Peter Hicks You got that right, even electric cars scare the government shitless, I remember reading a couple years back about how they wanted to start taxing electric cars in some countries, including mine. The justification, is that electric cars don't have to pay for gas and thus don't have to pay the gas tax. Either we take a stand or the day will come when we are taxed to do anything other than walk. and maybe even that too
@@robertstallard7836 Did you think they were going to tell you something you didn't want to hear? If they make escooters exempt that's great, but you're completely ignoring how things actually work. They tell us what they think we want to hear, they hold their trials and then decide if they can get away with it or not. If the gov doesn't determine that they can actually pull off forcing regulations then it will get banned, unless they think they can't ban them, then it would become exempt like electrically-assisted pedal cycles. The gov simply determined that they couldn't pull it off with electrically-assisted pedal cycles, because they are too similar to bikes(in the peoples eyes) and they also couldn't ban it, that's how it ended up exempt. The difference here is that some people don't equate scooters like that, but think they are like cars and that perception is likely what they are trying to gauge right now.
It would actually be more accurate to say the gov first determines if they can ban it or not. It's when people refuse to follow those laws that the govs hand is forced, that's when they start to look into replacing lost or future lost income as it's no longer a choice.
Because the purpose of government is to support business not people
I'm lucky to live in QLD, Australia. My Dragon GTR V2 is brilliant for getting around town.
I’ve never used one, do they have a horn?
Some come with simple bells, some with horns. It's not hard to add one to any scooter though.
Well, Well, Well.. better later than at all I guess, Can't wait for the time when I will be able to ride my PEV legitly on the streets of the UK. About riding on the pavements I can't agree more it's dangerous and against rules but does GOV. plan to improve cycling lines ( in my City on my way to work I don't have any and I travel almost 3.7 miles one way). Great video as always, Thank You.
Not against the rules it's against the law (a very different thing) disabled vehicles are the ONLY vehicles permitted to drive on the pavement or pedestrian areas and that includes bicycles of any sort including children .. but mostly the police would not enforce a child to ride on the road ,although I heard of one such incident with a child and parent on the way to school who was stopped
Cars and E scooters share the same benefits / problems namely the attitude of the person using it . The main difference is that the E scooter has a far more likelyhood of coming into contact ( literally ) with pedestrians due to where it can be taken . You can educate the majority but legislation and penalties will need to be required for the minority first.
Completely agree, saw a mclaren super car earlier which goes 200mph yet the speed limit is 70mph 🤷♀️ if the driver is reckless and breaks speed limit, drives it dangerously it’s unsafe , if they aren’t reckless and stick to the rules it’s safe. Pretty simple 👍🏻
@@e-scooterguy Whilst I understand your point, safety cannot be provided by a number on a road sign. Just because you are driving at, or under the speed limit, does not mean you are automatically safe. Nor does going over the speed limit automatically make it unsafe, just illegal. Driving/riding to suit the conditions is the real key.
I keep hearing these arguments about people getting hit by e scooters, but the reality is that this is extremely rare. most scooters aren't really any more dangerous to you than someone peddling a bike really fast or going down a hill. The vast majority of scooter instances are cars hitting scooters. Even people on the sidewalk are in extremely low danger here, but people need to be more respectful of others around them and not block the paths so people have room to pass. What you're advocating is actually more dangerous. you want to put a 100 pound or less toy in with 1+ ton crushing machines.. Do people who ride scooters lives not matter?
@@chronometer9931 The vast majority of vehicle to vehicle collisions are the faster vehicle hitting the slower one, but that doesn't mean it's the faster or the slower vehicle at fault. Pedestrians have been killed by impacts with cyclists, and skaters. If you're hit and killed it is irrelevant that you're a rare statistic, you're still just as dead. As a pedestrian I feel less safe every day sharing the pavement with higher speed wheeled transport, we need some sort of physical barrier to separate us from all the cyclists and scooters. I won't even walk to the local store any more because the pavements aren't safe for pedestrians, instead I'm forced to drive there causing more pollution and more congestion.
The difference is a car kills pedestrians. Scooters/bike wrecks rarely ends in fatalities. Scooters/bikes are much safer and should have priority over cars.
Please tell me where In the uk I can buy a scooter, at six months of £35… £210? There at least £700 over here and a lot of the battery’s need replacing within a year
People are setting voi escooters on fire here in England, 🔥😎😂
Some people love being governed
No its just most of us did a drvng test and passed a theroy.. meaning we understand the highway code and was tested and passed... No theory, No trainning and No test means a total liability.... So Ok If you get hit and hear... sorry didnt know... or didnt see you.... yet you have a broken leg and they just ride off... im sure you be happy you have zero way of gettng compensation
50 years old here and instead of using my car for work, I now use my scooter. Common sense tells me to wear a helmet and to use caution. E-Scooters are the way forward and greener
You wont be driving your car for long if the filth see you after they've had a row with their missus, I'm 61 and would love a scooter but I love my car too, remember, 6 points for no insurance
@@geoffgreen3345 A fair comment and I would happily pay insurance if that was a way forward for legalising me. It seems harsh that I can hire one but can't own one.
How is it greener? All these do is displace the emissions to the national grid who get most of their power from burning coal. And the damage done to the environment mining the materials for the batteries is it ok that its damaging 3rd world countries and not ours. not to mention the batteries have a lifetime of around 7 ish years so more mining is required
@@vector198 The National Grid isn't the problem of the user and is easily solved with Nuclear, anyone who claims to be pro-environment and yet is anti-nuclear is a hypocrite. As for the materials, I'll point out first that it's the third world making the most use out of these vehicles, look how many are used in China for example. We can't end 100% of mining, that's simply not possible. We do need better batteries and we do need to make better use of the resources we have. We may be able to use use hydrogen tech in the future combined with nuclear. That would work for larger vehicles, but I don't know if the tech can be made small enough to work for scooters.
@@chronometer9931 the national grid being the problem of the user depends on the reason for you getting the vehicle, if its just cheap easy transportation, then no. But if its for conscientious reasons about the environment then having the fumes coming out of a powerstations chimney instead of your exhaust. As it is right now the majority of power is created in stations that burn fossil fuels so the environment is being polited either way. and i agree that nuclear power is better for the environment in some sences but it has its own drawbacks with what to do with the waste? My point was these electric vehicles arent all theyre cracked up to be.
i just bought a e scooter in london, i sprayed it and made decals to match the voi rented ones, never been stopped!
You sir, you know how the game is played.......well done, sir well done.
I badly need the fork suspension from Voi for my Ninebot. And they don't sell it anywhere:(
These videos are really well produced, voiced and edited. Great stuff 👍🏻
Makes me laugh. Cycles are everywhere with no insurance and ride on the paths/roads. whats the bloody difference ?
E-Scooters don't go dangerously fast.
It's interesting to see the short section of this video which illustrates (to those without common sense), the basic requirement to not park a scooter in an inconsiderate manner, yet Voi employ a person known to leave these things obstructing the footpath in several locations near me.
we have bolt in lithuania, for 0.05e/min, why you need to pay monthly? i never understand that
You will own nothing and you will be happy - The Great Reset
Just what I thought but can they stop what we already own
Cringe
I'm approaching 60 and use my EUC (an electric unicycle) for most of my local travel. The government is banning the sale of petrol vehicles in 2030 but hasn't proposed any affordable alternatives - I sadly can't afford a Tesla. My EUC has a range of about 50 miles and costs about 15 pence to "fill up". I don't worry about it getting stolen as I just walk into shops with it and people just assume it's futuristic luggage. If I lived in a small apartment then it would be an ideal form of transport that I could just keep by my front door. So have the government embraced it? Nope, they made them illegal along with escooters.
What model is your euc? I have the inmotion V8F
@@gav-ce5cm Mine's a Gotway Nikola Plus. London traffic can be quite unforgiving so I wanted a wheel that could move at the same speed as the cars. I avoid any roads faster than 30mph though. I've been happy with the wheel so far though I do think the rear light could be much improved.
Sad but true.
If Government is not making taxes from it, then the vehicle will be frowned upon by the Police / Authorities / Big Brother.
The Government preaches under the guise of doing what is best for the common people, but is making policies that align with taxing you to Bankruptcy.
How can I contact you for a business opportunity?
I suffer from chronic sciatica , for years now,,, and my xiaomi mi 3 is my life line .
Couldnt go anywhere without it .
I travel at walking pace, but people complain.
The scooter isn't as wide as my body, but people still leap out the way when I pass...
It's crazy,,, but its my lifeline
You really captured what the “community” feels! 🤣🤣🤣
great video guys! love the work you put into getting the inside info!
England really needs to get in on this.
The country has a time limit to reduce its e-footprint to a certain standard, what better way than more electrical transport.
This would also be a very obvious solution while we're struggling with gas supply & pricing.
After one year your basically throwing your money away with a long term rental. Makes me so angry that people are getting points on their license if it’s privately owned. The government are acting like gangsters running a racket.
just got a MI at halfords and thay dident say i carnt ride it and can get points on my licence so if so why can you by them if u carnt ride them i live on a canalboat so use it on a towpath to get to my car and sore one on a boting blog so thought i can use one ????????????
Lighten up, Boris. Don’t be a stick in the mud. It’s gonna happen....you can’t stop progress!
Should also be easy enough to add or convert areas of currently existing park and ride sites where to cities have them for rental scooters for those who can't/don't want to commute because of distance.
Birmingham has introduced a clean air zone and seen these e scooters around.
I was just about to buy one but the found out it was illegal to pretty much ride anywhere. Can't believe it!
Really should be free to ride (no tax or drivers licence). Use them in cycle lanes only to ride them. I'll be happy with that.