UK E-Scooter Law: How to fix the problem
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- čas přidán 19. 06. 2024
- Since getting rudely ignored by the Mayor of London, Will's not taken the rejection well. As a method of coping with the embarrassment, he's decided to go back to in time to figure out just where the UK went wrong in the legislation of electric scooters, and what we can learn from the rest of Europe to ensure such an email never have to be sent again...
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1:04 2020 vision: Trials begin
2:44 The police crackdown…
3:43 A New Hope
4:54 Back to the future
5:54 What next?
6:11 More sensible approaches…
6:44 Something more entertaining?
7:10 Spain
7:43 Sheer display of ignorance…
7:55 Austria
8:59 France
10:18 Norway
10:59 Borderline Dystopian rules…
12:07 What to take away from this
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Hi Guys. I'm originally from Hungary where totally legal to ride a e-scooter, but I living in the UK. Many people using this form of transport to commute to work or simply just for fun. After my last visit in Hungary, after I came back to UK, I decided to buy one from my hard earned money, than I got a Shocking news, IT IS ILLEGAL to use it!! You can buy it legally, but NO WAY TO USE IT LEGALLY!! WE MUST LINE UP and force the government to change this ridiculous law. WE are not criminals and don't treat as a criminals if we use it. End of the day IT IS JUST A SCOOTER!!
Absolutely
It’s not “JUST A SCOOTER”. It’s a really good form of transportation for the urban environment. That scares some governments, because much of their revenue comes from transportation - fuel duty, congestion charging, parking, fines, bus and rail tickets, insurance premium tax…..
Having a form of transportation that not only circumvents these revenue streams, but is also cheap, fast and convenient just won’t do at all.
Transportation should only be by means of subjugation.
It’s all about the money the government/police can earn
It's NOT just a scooter and it is definitely not a good form of transport. They are mostly in landfill within a year. They should be banned from sale. Sellers should be made criminals. If you had lost loved ones you'd feel the same. They are a curse and if not stopped now will create urban wars.
@barryjatkinson what makes them more dangerous than other forms of transport like motorbike? That's why I always wear a full-face helmet and motorcycle jacket when I ride
Electric scooters should totally be legalised in the UK. It shouldn’t even be a debate, considering the ambitious carbon reduction programme the UK aims to achieve in the car sector for 2030. E-scooters blatantly offer everyone a greener alternative to ‘the last mile’ journeys we all face, be it for work or personal travel.
I also feel e-scooters ought to be considered no different to a bicycle as they share so much in common; similar footprint on the road, similar mass, likely to be travelling at a similar velocity, and in my view no safer or more likely to be involved in an accident.
When you have a Government that spends the majority of its time, money and effort trying to hide or put out the fires caused by its own incompetence and corruption, how do you expect anything of use to actually get done?
I wrote to my MP about pushing for changes to the legislation. They mentioned the e-scooter trial extension to May 24, and that police do not have the tools to stop the estimated 750,000 private e-scooters being ridden illegally on UK roads.
The horse has bolted and the government are standing around trying to decide if they should lock the door.
I can't help but feel the pressure on the government, and the overall momentum the eScooter cause had at one point, has ebbed away. I own two eScooters and I'm too afraid to risk using them. I bought them 2 years ago because I foolishly assumed the UK would've caught up with the rest of the world by now. Frustrating...
Similar story, I bought hoping things would be sorted with the law and that I maybe only had a few months before it was decided. I am riding now because I don’t have the time left to wait for fools.
How do you know which scooter to buy?
If they are made legal it will only be certain makes/models that pass safety standards.
@@Swindondrive I bought a scooter that can be set in single motor and in eco mode so it will only go 15 mph, when in dual motor and not in eco it can do 40 mph. The power is for torque up hills and not to do 40 mph at every opportunity. I do get your point and at present there is no clear answer. Scooters are very liberating and you don’t need a destination to ride one.
One thing you have yet to learn is that the Uk loves to tax us citizens that's why its so hard for them to legalise scooters so many people will use them instead of buses taxis and cars etc
The problem with hire scooters are that they are not looked after and left in the street to be vandalised.This gives a poor perception to the public. If you had to purchase your own its not going to be left thrown on the ground and less likely to be ridden badly and become damaged. Anything hired gets mistreated.
And they are expensive to use
@@Leo-gt1bx99p to use and then 15p a minute in my city. Because of the governments £2 bus fare thing it's cheaper in most cases for me just to get the bus.
Especially here in the UK with its binge drinking culture.
seemed to work perfectrly fine in Bergen and Trondheim where i have just got back from but in UK we cant seem to do anythiong positive for fear that 1 dickhead out of 10,000 might be a knob and upset a pensioner. UK Police are too soft to actually arrest the 1 dickhead , so everyone else has to continue with the status quo
My personal view is the reason that the Government keep extending trials is that the hire companies are giving them back-handers. The longer it remains illegal for us to ride our OWN E-Scooters on the road, the more the hire companies laugh all the way to the bank!
Corporate control
Strange how the hire companies can insure these scooters yet the general public can't insure theirs. Hmmm.
Doesn’t make sense to me. I mean I think beryl in Birmingham must have back handed someone as they’re so expensive and the service is awful compared to voi, but I very much doubt they’re making a profit yet. I hope they never do, they’re so bad. I’ve boycotted them.
Safety is not the concern it’s simply just about money. Car companies, rails, buses, all would be impacted. They can’t legalise the use of them until government donors get their fingers into every possible pie before it’s rolled out. Same with marijuana legislation, until the alcohol companies can monopolise and own the market for themselves it won’t happen.
Im in cardiff UK. I still ride my emove cruiser. I use a fullface helmet, got a body armour jacket too, did have a full UK driving licence. Had a seizure a few years ago, gave my licence up on medical grounds. And use the scooter as my way of transport. Not had any issues with riding it anywhere, been stopped to ask about it, but never been stopped by police to issues fines/warnings. They see i ride with caution (and geared up) so they tend to leave me alone
Same here in Cardiff on a Solar EQ and some other scooters over the years, never been stopped.
In Charleston South Carolina they are treated like bicycles.
No age restriction.
The only rule is you have to go in the direction of traffic.
-living the dream.
what a dream having little children riding vehicles they can't handle next to giant cars. how could that go wrong?
All electric vehicles over there have very little restrictions which I love. Can have an ebike that goes 28mph in the states. Meanwhile in the UK it's classed as a motorcycle if it goes faster than 15mph.
Im from Cardiff UK.Round these parts people are going to ride them no matter if they are legal or not it seems.The real problem around here is Ebikes like sur ron's etc blasting around at 40mph + doing wheelies etc. The government should be cracking down on them and leave the 15mph e scooters alone
Here in the UK, we drive on the left...sorry...on what's left! There will be shitloads of claims against various councils because of the shitty state of the roads!
😮i ride my escooter to work everyday. Taxi cost £8.70 i get to work in 8mins using my scooter for 6 months i bought for £235 i get to wokr in 11 mins.
Whe. I corss the road i look around carefully. Even some careless bicycle and patdestrians bump into me while plugging earphones and being distracted. I see the danger and i slow down. They end up apologising to me as it was their fault. WhY is important is too ride carefully
I'm genuinely convinced they're just leaving up to the next (likely Labour Party) Government, only to then say it's their fault for any issues despite almost a decade of back and forth legislative time-wasting from the Conservative Party.
Problem with Labour they will only let you have one type of scooter, give it to the apparently poor and charge everyone else, then ban all other private vehicles.
What’s crazy is I have a family member who is a police officer and friend and both have said if they seen someone riding an e-scooter properly and not acting like an idiot then they would leave them to it.
I rode my e-scooter this evening with a friend for our first time with our first e-scooters and guess who we bumped into…….. the police and they just drove straight past us, I have been led to believe they will leave you alone on the pavement and if your being tidy and not an idiot.
Another point to everyone make sure you buy an e-scooter now because as soon as they are made legal that’s when they will cost an arm and a leg I am looking to own three.
😮😮😮
Wow! 😮 I'm looking to own an E scooter. I want to get a Xiaomi pro 2
Rental scooters are a menace. If those companies want to make it work they need to offer places to drop them off that is not the bloody sidewalk or more often than not the next best river.
Privately owned scooters are fantastic and must be sensibly regulated.
Rental scoots here in Ottawa are GPS-equipped which restrict the riders from going on the sidewalks or anything outside the programmed geofence. they are quite successful but still in pilot project phase. I agree with you that privately owned ones are not the issue.
@@juk3b0xgr1m Interesting. Where are the scooters parked when not in use?
@@TilmanBaumann designated scooter pens. If you leave them outside the pens, it'll cost you extra
I used once a rental scooter in Budapest. My car just broke down in the carpark of a shopping centre, one ignition coil packed up. I had to buy a replacement part, the closest car part shop was around 4km away.
It seemed to be a good idea to just hope on one of the scooters in front of the mall's entrance, and done the way relative quickly. The car part shop was located on an industrial estate which was a private property and the scooter was restricted from that land.
I had 2 options:
leaving the scooter in front of the gate, doing the rest of the distance by foot (another twice 15 minutes walking) and risking that someone will take the scooter away until i come back and having to walk all the way back.
Or the other option, to take the scooter with myself. It wasn't easy though. i had to drag it like a stubborn donkey, it locked the wheel and beeped, so i hid it behind a shed.
That moment convinced me i don't ever want to be vulnerable to any provider operated range restricted vehicles.
escooter rider from Singapore here, a few years ago before the government introduced a hefty fine for riding escooter on the roads and foot paths, the streets were full of escooters and you could buy them at any electronics store, now its almost nowhere to be found. You have to be very careful and ride it on bicycle paths only and dismount and push when riding on a foot path. I hope the government could change the laws and allow escooters to be on the road, like how they allow ebikes on the road.
The very first time I rode my scooter on the public highway I was stopped by the police. He gave me a bollocking and told me to push the scooter home. I had only gone to the local shops to get something for dinner. The scooter has sat in the shed since then unused. I am hopeful for a change in the law soon.
At least one Cop knows the law in the UK then.
Simple law private e-scooter on private land only,nothing hard about the law just Police have given up if the Government can't wake up and make a sensible law for them.
You broke the law and were lucky to have just been warned.Whoever sold you the appliance should have informed you of the legal situation that applies in Britain.
@@teggsy2165 government doesn't know how to get it's priorities in order. When violent crime is surging, they went to waste police resources on commuters riding scooters
@@teggsy2165screw that. The uk government needs to hurry up and change the law so we can ride our own scooters.
I'm going to get one anyway. Screw em. I'm not going to keep driving everywhere and be stuck in traffic.
The ban in paris was because the scooters were being dump wverywhere and became a problem, nothing to do with the riding aspect, privately owned scooters are still very much legal and encouraged
Same as me! Under health grounds I see a mobility scooter which is being repeatedly vandalised so I got an escooter, I have helmet, full pads and protection. I have spoken with 3 policeman none of which had a problem as they all said, you wear full protection , you ride on the path, you ride respect fully! , we have no problem with you but remember they are technically illegal! Our problem is people not wearing safety gear, usually kids, weaving in and out of traffic, running into people! So from what I have experienced ride respectfully, respect other path users especially if they got kids or dogs! Btw I am 55!
@@thatvampirelorraine Well it makes good sense, ride with care respect other people's space and 99 times out of a hundred the police are fine with them.
eScooters might be ok in theory but let’s face it too many d heads around riding them too fast, weaving in and out of traffic, going through red lights, riding the wrong way up roads,etc etc.
There’s a whole list of what some car drivers get up to, and they supposedly have been taught what they should be doing. So bad behaviour isn’t a w-scooter issue.
We let everyone drive cars and ride bikes despite this fact.
Is there an organised lobby to get the question raised in the Commons? It seems nothing has been done since May 2022.
Meanwhile, I'm just sitting here in the United States where it takes five police cruisers and ten cops in full tactical gear to stop someone for a burned out tail light. And don't get me started about car search and on-site body cavity search.
I would be OK getting probed if I had the right to defend myself, get tax benefits on renewable home upgrades, get tax benefits on investments, get lower taxes in general, be allowed to ride scooters and so forth... You wanna change places? I will throw in a free house too...
@@DragonXDrei "the right to defend myself," I can only assume, from this statement, that you're white? Cause like that shit doesn't apply equally to everyone. And you NEVER have the right to defend yourself from the police. Which is unfortunate because the police are the biggest threat you're going to encounter here. Well, the biggest threat that you'll actually see coming, that is. . . .
got stopped in edinburgh last month, took them 15 minutes 3 police officers and a van to clock, My scooter doesn't have a motor on it (its a swifty kick scooter).... They never asked. They asked if I knew why I was being stopped, I had lights, a helmet and was keeping up with cyclists in the cycle lane, (not hard edinbugh being hilly). I was reassured when I was told I was not riding dangerously... A further 15 minutes and a flier on how best to submit a complaint. Waste of everyone's time.
I got told by a copper in grimsby if he caught me on my scooter he'd take it off me, i laughed n told him he can't catch a chav on 2 feet so he's got no chance of catching me on my scooter 😂😂
Great presentation!
In Montreal, it's still illegal, but there are still many people riding. Whether you get a ticket or not is a matter of whether the police has a bad day or not.
Pretty much like that in Wales.
Just like Australia, there is no cut black & white law. It is a bit rubbery like the interpretation of the arresting officer.
Ottawa is VERY pro escooter. Downtown has 2 companies renting them and I own my own. Came across a few police that just eyeballed me as I was crossing the road but if you keep off the sidewalks and don't go above 30KPH, they leave you alone. Plus, wear your safety gear and they are just great to ride around.
Thankfully in Melbourne, Australia they have recently extended the E-scooter trial to include privately owned E-scooters so now it's legal to ride an E-scooter in Melbourne as long as you keep to 20km/h and don't ride on foot paths at all or roads where the speed limit is above 60km/h. The interesting thing is that you can ride an E-scooter that is capable of no more than 25km/h, which is perfect because that's exactly what I own (and I wouldn't dream of riding it around at 25km/h). It's great being able to ride my E-scooter without having to look out for the cops. Common sense would say that an experienced rider with their own E-scooter is less of a risk than a noob who has never ridden an E-scooter and decides one night to give it a go. I would say you need weeks of use before you become a competent E-scooter rider. If they ever do ban E-scooters I think it should just be the rental scooter because most of the complaint are due to inexperienced people renting them, doing stupid things with them and then leaving them lying around blocking footpaths etc. privately owned E-scooters are not the problem and never have been.
They don't know how to TAX it... That's the only reason why we don't have them in the UK
All this crap aside.....They are dangerous. They should be required to use helmets and move as traffic and not be able to cross pedestrian crossings.....as a car driver, it's bloody difficult to avoid them....they should have a license as half of the riders are on their phones whilst crossing Infront of cars
I think this issue is just so low on the governments agenda they don't care. Me personally though think they should have a speed limit and maybe do a small test like the bicycle one. This should affect any driving licenses and e-scooters should be in the same class as e-bikes. Meaning they should be able to use the cycle lanes as well since they're popping up everywhere now in London.
I had this whole idea it was so simple me and my friends get electric scooters so we can get to high school easier and now I have to read a whole law book just to figure out if I can get to school comfortably 😅
Jest wrap them like rental ones, youre Good To go
😂
Great idea!
Another thing to note is that e-scooters are being banned from carriage on trains in the UK. Chiltern Railways was promoting this earlier this week. Partly due to the fire risk of unregulated imports it seems.
Yep banned at London Liverpool st Station for Greater Anglian trains.
You can’t ban someone’s possession….. if someone owns a e scooter they are 100% allowed to travel around the uk with it unles they ride on public highway, then they’d be breaking the law
Illegal to ride it anywhere in public I'm afraid@@goodhouse91021
… and yet in Norway signs on the trains prominently tell you you can bring them onto the train. You’re just forbidden from charging them on the train. It’s a remarkably different attitude to the same thing.
Sadly cars are just too expensive for alot of people now and public transport cost is also ridiculous! I just invested in an e bike that's legal on the roads because of this stupid law but I'd love an e scooter for work commutes!
Great video. Love your style bruh
Why not at least let UK car licence holders ride them who have taken a test and understand traffic regulations that's what i do not understand.
All for them on roads and cycle lanes, just not on pavements.
Been watching the UK situation for a while, very dumb, I'm lucky to be here in "Sunny" Vancouver, Canada, where we have an e-scooter pilot program in a few cities, we have a few docked rental programs too (Richmond, BC) which somewhat solve the mess issue (but are pricey, just like the UK ones). We also have a decent illegal e-skate / EUC scene here too, with a legal challenge going to court to get EUCs included in the e-scooter trial.
Vancouver didn't allow rentals, but may this summer - this seemed the right way round, as personal owners tend be less drunk and more responsible than renters on a bender do ....
10yo Kids can buy one of those toy ones from Argos though and ride them
I ditched my scooter when the crackdown started and went ebike. I’ve had plod try and stop me a few times but being a bearded 50yo I’ve just pinned the 1500w motor and fled.
As someone who lives in one of the trial hire zones, I tried one out; and initially thought it was a good idea. But now, I'm not so sure.
Many e-scooter are abandoned in dangerous places, and thhey seem to often be ridden recklessly, causing anxiety and real risk for other road users.
But the real issue is that most seem to be ridden by kids who are too young to drive, rather than actually getting drivers out of their cars. Not exactly great for the planet, and if youngsters are riding these instead of getting exercise then we may see a huge increase in the burden on the NHS in 20-40 years time.
Add in the frequent fires, caused by cheap e-scooter battery packs, and it's really is debatable whether these things are such a good idea, given that a bicycle is cheaper, faster, safer, and would help keep these youngsters active in later life.
And one final thing - why do these e-scooters have such tiny wheels? Surely it would be much safer to have 20" wheels, that would provide better stability, and be able to better cope with potholes.
One more things from GOV.UK. Quote "Given how powered transporters are motorised and designed, they fall within the legal definition of a “motor vehicle”. Therefore the laws that apply to motor vehicles apply to powered transporters.
OK, then what about the RIde On Electric toy cars then??? Are there "motor vehicle" as well?? Could a 5 years old get £300 fine and 6 point on his/her licence?? It has a battery in it and propelled by electric motor same like in an e-scooter.
You can ride up to a 125CC Motorcycle on a Full Car Licence it should figure that on that same Full Driving Licence you should be permitted to ride an eScooter.
You can ride up to 125cc on a provisional too
where can you do that? that's really cool! :)
@@not_so_native_native You still need to take a part 1 CBT you cannot ride until you have passed and then still need to display L plates
The problem with hire scooters in Spain is that they are left in the most stupid places, blocking pavements etc. People have started vandalising them because they have had enough. Then you get the idiots riding them 2 up, cutting up cars and giving no signals when turning. Ban them all.
I've been looking for hours to find the difference between a e-scooter and a mobility scooter other than the size ect. Basically I'm struggling to walk most days and want something to get around on. I don't want a mobility scooter for loads of reasons. Now I was looking at a e scooter cos I can stand up and some you can fit a seat if needed.
I don't want to risk points if the police stop me.
Why can't I use a e scooter for mobility.
Does anyone know?
It's certainly a discussion to be had as the law on bikes is you can't ride them on pavements in the UK but I've not seen anyone stopped on a bike and fined or cautioned for doing so. Also not seen anyone stopped riding an e-scooter here in the North East where i live plenty using them. So i think the concensus is the more people riding them it seems like to much hardwork on the police to stop them. The worst effected City is London from knowledge because the met are trying to set the example but it isn't working e-scooters will be legal to ride or they will just be rode illegally but police will stop all action.
Funny you can't ride on pavements, I stopped two police officers and reminded them of that tiny little law, they told me they were exempt! I laughed and rode on the path as I left...
@allanbroughton2708 typical response to not wanting to bother with that legislation because too much like hard work.
2:30 - Inokim Quick 4. That's what I have. Had to waterproof it myself (sealant in all the seams), and I covered the whole deck in grip tape. Can be unlocked to 26MPH. It's a good way to get to work and back.
I have the Nami Klima 30Ah here in Barnsley 😳. Also mainly for work
@@goofyahhh254 just so long as you can ride faster than a copper can run, don't get cornered, don't ride dangerously, and stay alert for red and blue lights, you should be okay.
A more mature discussion would be more effective than a video full of swearing perhaps. Any lawmakers would turn off way before the end.
They should remain illegal unless riders pass a CBT wear helmets regulated and the riders should be heavily fined for riding on the pavement. I have been nearly knocked down 3 times by speeding scooters and they are a menace to blind or partially-sighted people.
And yet mobility scooters can whizz around at speeds up to 20mph……..on the pavement!!!!!
Someone may wonder if someone is getting something in the back pocket to keep a monopoly for the large companies..
I have my own e scooter and drive it most days in and around London not been stopped so far seems like the police have bigger things to worry about till the nxt clampdown wish they would implement whatever it is there planning to do or not do at least
Keep up the pressure, but none of us will be holding our collective breaths.Personal Electric Vehicles could help in so many ways and yet there is no mandatory training requirement or any insurance available.Instead we have the ludicrous hire schemes which allow anyone with an idiot-phone to rent a scooter with no prior knowledge of how to ride safely or any protective gear. Meanwhile people who have spent out hard earned dosh on their own scooter and have presumably gained some proficiency are totally banned. The police have already caused three deaths due to the failure to deal with the situation sensibly when it comes to young lads on ebikes. In my area we had an old lady knocked down by a scooter rider while speeding, for which he was severely punished but what was not reported was the reason he was speeding - the police were chasing him and presumably he was afraid he would lose his expensive scooter. We need a sensible way of dealing with these new forms of transport, an outright ban is making matters worse.
You should have had a chat about Australia mate, we are like 7 or 8 different countries here, each state is different it's completely mad
These contraptions are hazards to pedestrians and road vehicles in general. In Britain our roads and pavements are not designed to accommodate E Scooters safefly.Even if the infrastructure was set up for them it would be logical for the people who would ride them to need full insurance and also to pass an approved road test.People and property have already been hurt and damaged through their use and fatalities have also been known.
The road networks in the UK aren't designed to accommodate car traffic either.
belgian outlaw running mantis v2 and king gt here. The toys are legal, mine should run at max 25 km/h. While i have a drivers license allowing me to roll 125cc motorcycles and fast mopeds.
If the politicians where to get off their lazy arse, they can copy/paste most of it, slight editing et voila but nooooo ...
legislation? it's legal to buy and sell e-scooters...there is obviously soo much private land out there for all these scooters! 😂 aren't escooters (the slow ones) the same a mobility scooters?
I would use my e scooter but points on a professional driving licence is a big no so have to use the car to put down the shop
You can ride YOUR e scooter on the road legally , first its you need a motorbike licence if it exceeds a certain amount of power, then you need insurance and number plates.
You won't change anything until you figure out what the city of London corporation is and who owns it.
Would you care to enlighten us why that's important?
Would you care to enlighten us why that's important?
@@byshiri1751 because its the system of the holy roman empire where they take away all of our rights through the EU and trading corporations. Also the Crown corporation to which you are a subject of, but probably have no clue you were a part of it.
English traditional.common law is the only fair system of law in the world for the people. Which is why we must be destroyed. London is a proxy country and its a private corporation ;)
@@byshiri1751 look up the city of London dark past. Its a private corporation. By voting for the Parliament we do not elect anyone, we give them our vote and they elected themselves. Just like Cameron, May, Truss, we voted for Boris and got Sunak. It's corrupt and the game is rigged ;)
It’s pathetic the government need to sort this out. I brought mine to use as a mobility device as I am disabled Ffs come on government
just got back from norway where i was holidaying. Used rentede e-scooters and i can confirm they are brilliant for short urban journeys. especially if the area is hilly. no problems encountrered what so ever and everyone seemed responsible. why can't the UK get with programme, so infuriating. The more i go on vacation the more i despise the uk and its luddite ways
Why does it say this on the electroheads website?
Because it's not true every scooter has rear lights
Because escooters don't (usually) comply with road traffic laws - in particular they don't have rear lights or registration plates - it's not legal to use a privately-owned scooter on a UK road. This is why it's often said that they are legal only on private land with the landowner's permission.
I'm writing to you because I think I have a story. Escooter riders can get 6 points for riding them. I have completed freedom of information for all forces in the UK. This has told me that every police in the country is giving warnings in pocket notebooks, often no names of address and not uploaded anywhere and filed at the end of the book. If they use this as a reason to stop and search then maybe put on the system. Three times as many black Escooter riders are stopped than anyone elae and stop and searched as well. Police have been allowed to decided if they give a warning (its then filed and so no education) potentially uploaded if a stop and search. A s59 (this is a police legal caution) a written warning or six life changing points. The police have not been educating anyone. I have written to goverment and freedom of information has now be changed to a need to know basis. This a again is not what freedom of information was set up to do. I makes a mockery of the name.
This is a motoring offence and a huge one. Much more financailly impactive and life changing than a speeding fine. . Every motoring offence has a clear fair and consistent process but for three years a policeman has been able to decide who and what punishment they give. This is an abuse of power and has been given by the goverment. The police as the public are aware do not always get this right. Abuse of power in every organisation.
This is in my opinion a huge scandal and has allowed the police to directly/indirectly discriminate by having this power. I believe hundred of thousands have had warnings and some have had cautions. A select few have been given points.
No point should be given to anyone unless a s59 (legal caution)has been given. As other Escooter riders have had this option or it has been used in a crime or in a dangerous manner that was punished at the time of the stop.
Having licences and proficiency tests is all well and good but how would it be policed and how would police know if a rider had these unless the rider was riding dangerously, erratically or was involved in an incident? There are always going to be those that will ignore the laws anyway.
i am your european neighbor The netherlands and we got even worse situation with e-scooters. they are entirely illegal and no options for rental either.
Dutch kids ride them on bike paths nearly hitting people. Most Dutch scooters have all been tuned to go much faster too. Having bike paths doesn't guarantee the safe use for electrical vehicles. Groetjes
I love the Dutch :)
@@mike-ology22 That is why we just need some simple requirements such as driving license or specific license for pEVS. Does it guarantee no car accidents when having a big highway, traffic light..? They simply don't bother to make regulation for the thing they don't care .
@@mikelo9006 no we don't, that is the problem. We have driving licences and still people steal cars and drive without insurance causing accidents. It won't change anything other than create more wealth for the government. We need to change the system back to before we joined the EU. That way, we will be free
@@mike-ology22 i regularly blaze through rotterdam on my mantis, cops don't mind.
the problem with escooters sadly is the people that tend to ride them. it is so common to see dickheads bombing along the pavement on them or riding them 2's up
Meanwhile in Lithuania the government wants to band e-scooters from riding anywhere but on bike lanes. No streets, no sidewalks, just bike lanes. If a bike lane ends - good luck walking a few km until you find another bike lane. And on mixed walking/bike lanes, if a person is walking at 7km/h speed, you can't pass them
I understand UK legislation is prepared. It just needs Parliamentary time allocated to it, which is scarce at the moment.
The two parties are so busy nitpicking and biting each other’s a7ses, pathetic.
Grant Schnapps 😂 pull your finger out Grant!
Making e-scooters legal under a certain speed is the way forward. e-scooters over this limit then could only be used by adults. (Could be the same for e-bikes too)
The Singapore law at least if they enforce it, means its a pretty good deterrent 😂
Gets that message across, being responsible is a must on one of these.
Why, in some EU countries are e-scooters allowed a throttle but ebikes are not even if max speed and Kw motor is the same?!
What about just making your scooter look like a Lime scooter? 😂
Don't keep dissing the cars, they're the ones who are paying for the upkeep of the roads!
Start making petitions and flood the parliament with it that should help 😊
You argument is totally flawed. If it is not legal to have a throttle on an e-bike unless it’s in walk assist mode at 4.5mph. It’s ridiculous that e-bikes must be pedalled and the motor cuts out at 15mph. Too many e-scooter riders ride them with little or no regard for others.
I like what Austria has done. I think the same should be here. Fact about UK is when something new comes along they want GREAT BRITTISH PURLEY 100% BRITTISH DATA. Hopefully soon.
It's all about attitude. Bicycles have been invented in the 19 century so made part of the transport landscape for generations. And viola - they are exempted from the 1988 Road Traffic Act. Even weak ebikes have been excluded in 1990s as extension of mechanical bicycles. Electric scooters on the other hand are less than a decade old. They simply exploded recently before our very eyes and catered their significant niche by storm. And the law is utterly unprepared for that. Like the USA for Barack Obama before Barack Obama. But the distinction between bicycles and electric scooters is almost absurd. The law should treat them equally - first and foremost as legal to use as intended ie. on the road, and with the same set of rules.
See my comment above ut a scandal and share pls
in the Netherlands is still not allowed!
On a green environmental pov I would much rather use my scooter on the road than my family saloon
I was hit by one in Cambridge the other week when I was helping to set up Strawberry Fair, There were approx 5 of us standing at the 4 lamps (if you know, you know) with a lot more people on the paths, including young kids, when this idiot fly's past doing at least 20mph. I was on my bike and he hit my back tire, he nearly came off after hitting me and going into a speed wobble, unfortunately, he did not fall, but he was about to have a go at me when I shouted at him you are going too fast. |he gave the bird and scooted off. These people have no interest in keeping others safe, the issue is not if they are street legal but why are they behaving like such utter cvnts.
How are you setting up a fair while on your bike?
If you're on your bike and he's on his, maybe you need to tell more details because at the moment I'm not convinced you're not partly at fault.
The law says no escorted on public footpaths or roads. On shared paths cyclists should give way to pedestrians. Many cyclists and eScooter riders use pavements as if it is their right. It is so uplifting when riders are switched on an use consideration and courtesy. An elderly woman was killed by a scooter rider in Notts though to his credit he stayed till emergency services arrived. Also, the roads are not safe for eScooters especially with their small wheels and the prevelance of potholes. There is a lot to consider before this issue can be sorted out.
@@billmiller4068 if the roads are not save and full of potholes, you don't ban the vehicles using it, no you fix the damn roads.
@@Google_Does_Evil_Now I show traders where to go, hence the bike. I was stationary at the time and turning the bike around when blam... Do you also want information on how to kiss my fecking arse?
@@davidmoomoo I was not cycling at the time, I was sitting on my bike.
It’s come to my findings, as a massive Rental user, that the scooter transport needs to be national and not localised. The local government in Birmingham have made a right phuck up with the new provider, beryl. Voi was so much better. The scheme needs to be ran on a national level as the local governments are hiring that many different companies, there’s no consistency. Birmingham has shown it cannot grasp the basics, and I’ve been told tried to ditch the whole thing, irrespective of Europe being so successful. They are clueless.
you need some one to talk to the king directly maybe he will do something to change these unfair scooter laws or get some one who will .
in Kyiv, Ukraine we have the best e-scooter law :) no A1 needed, no speed limit, no problem:) I drive Segway GT2 👽
What next me 90 year old auntie needs a licence for her electric wheelchair "bloody" government..😝🖕
Less legislation, they need to be doing everything they possibly can to get folk out of cars traveling with ultra low emmisions, should be a free for all with scooters, ebikes, skateboards etc limited to 15mph, scooters, ebikes etc above 15mph up to 40mph max riders need a current UK car or bike driving license and insurance. simple.
With today's news about the ban on rental e-scooters in Paris, is that it? Is the battle for legalisation of private e-scooters in the UK totally lost?
Well no.. as you said, that was in Paris (not the UK)
As long as they're ridden on the road, the rider has passed a CBT and have 3rd party insurance then all good for me.
CBT if you hold no license is hard to enforce but I agree it is a must. People need solid road sense that you get from motor bikes, cars and cycling etc, without the skills and awareness people are sitting ducks.
If a car hits you you'll die
If a ecscooter hits you you'll get a shock
They're as dangerous to third parties as a bicycle
I use a scooter and as well as cycling
I'm a full-time carer for my friend who's in a wheelchair
We've figured out we can attach my scooter to his chair which gives us far more range and a new ability to go to places that me pushing him would just be too difficult
@@toi_techno I'm not sure it's as closed door as that, I'd rather not get bit by either. The CBT is as much for the riders safety and understanding on the road.
CBT is designed for riding 50 and 125cc bikes.
@@ckirby1204sure but I also cycle and I also ride rental escooters safely on a regular basis. Escooters are no more dangerous than a bike. I don’t get the need for added regulations, other than maybe the standard stuff like tyre width or battery power limit or stuff like that and get on with it.
In Lithuania, the goverment is cracking down on e-scooters and restricting their use on public roads. Previously the up to 25 kmph 1 kW ones were classified as exactly as bicycles. However, this month they made it illegal to ride them (e-scooters) on pavement and in Vilnius they even lowered the speed limit in the Old Town (the historical part of the city centre) down to 12 kmph and outright banned e-scooters and bicycles in three important streets.
When I tell people I ride a motorbike they say "it's dangerous".
Oh my God! People, come on! The mode of transport is not dangerous or safe - it's just a bunch of materials fused together. We, riders/drivers are dangerous. Bicycles have been in use for decades and nobody deemed them dangerous. We need to stop treating restricted e-scooters as toys and start using them as bicycles, and everything will be fine. What do we do with car drivers that break the highway code laws? We issue fines. The same should apply to dangerous hooligans on e-scooters.
Sorry for the rant. I'm not even an e-scooter rider, I'm not even a fan of them (I prefer bicycles and motorbikes). But I'm for equal rights and opportunities.
Electroheads, keep advocating for e-scooter normalisation.
I feel like the uk roads are not in a fit state for us to use e scooters on, at least bikes have bigger wheels for the pot holes 😅
UK roads aren't in a fit state for car traffic too.
It’s a disgrace people need CBT helmets personal liability insurance and the government sitting about doing nothing
You can legally use a e scooter on the streets. You just need to know the law
Spain d oes classify e-scooters as Personal Mobility devices, but it is not as simple as that. They are effectively treated like bicycles, which means that high power, high speed e-scooters may result in being classified as motorbikes, just as high power, high speed e-bikes can be.
Personally, I am far from being convinced of the road worthiness of e-scooters. That is because I am a scientist at heart, and the small wheels on e-scooters makes them inherently less stable, and less capable of dealing with bumps and other irregularities.I do understand that e-scooters are much easier to store etc. than a bicycle, but the basic physical problems of stability worry me.
So long as all escooters are restricted, the rider has a licence and insurance and they wear a lid then they ahould be legal.
Last week i was doing 50mph on a road on my bmw r1250rs and i was overtaken by two kids on escooters.
So should I still get a scooter
Hey doing this trials and prolonging things for 1 reason. They're worried of lawsuits due to accidents caused by poor road and path conditions and they don't want to payout for lawsuits or new and better paths and roads.
Who's them? There's multiple insurance companies (mostly bicycle), who are offering private insurance and waiting for legalisation to provide public cover for electric scooters.
everyone needs to boycot the escooters that they hire this way why should they make money out of something they say is illegal
Won't help mate, has to be another way
couldnt hurt lol@@goofyahhh254
Scooter need mandatory insurance and training and driving license. They also need to categorise scooters. The fast ones need more legislation
most countries have, around the sitting gaspowered two wheeled motorvehicles... we're outlaws because the politicians talk much of switch to ev's but actually getting off their lazy arse and doing their job that's hard it seems ...
And you are the problem
@@jackking9271 yes, the one not buying a highly unsafe toy is the problem.
@@paulvenneman7539in what way are they dangerous?
@@paulvenneman7539 its a pev, should just be in the same boat as bikes its a joke
What is truly dreadful in these video clips of escooter riders is how they don’t move their heads and watch the whole road, instead they stand looking forwards waiting for what’s round the corner to present itself instead of looking around and being prepared. These riders look like they don’t drive or have a bike license and zero road sense, riding defensively by being switched on. I have a Solar P1 so I am Pro escooter but I worry about the untrained road users.
Pedestrians are worse