Drawing Sword From The Back - Is It Possible?
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- My take on drawing swords from the back. Please excuse my fluffy bed hair.
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Of course, it is far easier to carry your sword in your inventory and equip it when you need it.
lol
but who needs swords when you've got harmon?
It's the same way I carry my spear
XD
JOOOOOEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSTTTTTTTAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRR
Why the fuck is this on my recomendation list. Oh well, here i am.
I didn't understand why it was suggested either, but it's Not interestimg video.
I didn't understand why it was suggested either, but it's Not interestimg video.
I didn't understand why it was suggested either, but it's Not interestimg video.
I didn't understand why it was suggested either, but it's an interesting video.
I didn't understand why it was suggested either, but it's an interesting video.
U can always do a backflip so that the sword falls off then catch it mid air!
You basically just solved davinci's code. You are a genius.
lol
NightwingX012 Link, i guess? If you do a backflip and press B to pull the sword.
I know this is a joke, but I wonder how easy that would be coupled with armor and other heavy equipment lol...
Noah C that's what she said
Well if it's like World of Warcraft, the weapons don't have scabbards and sometimes they're just like magically hovering 2-3 inches away from the character's back lmao.
Michael Ciotta
Yeah I was thinking the same thing sort of then I thought the tube part of the sword hilt could be replaced a powerful magnet to literally make the sword hover in midair to be more realistic
Just like Devil May Cry. Sword just magically clings to the back
@@texasshaolin83 Dante is a half human half demon, he probably use magic.
You just hire a dwarf to carry it on their backs, grab the handle and kick the dwarf to the floor.
Flawless.
Pretty sure that's what actually happened in most cases, lol. Just let the squire/slave carry the blade.
Arrow, that was for the weather officers or other high ranking men, the common soldier would have to carry their own, and in battle would simply discard their scabbard because at that particular time looking after the swords is not the number one priority..after the battle one would walk through and do a clearance, killing wounded enemy etc, and collect armaments to arm the next group or replace damaged weapons for the survivors etc..
eat shit dwarf
Your technique is perfect
I don't want to be that dwarf tho
I'm a trigger and I find this dwarfing
I don't have this problem with my light saber.
true
You don't wear a light saber on your back.
+iNautilus rahm kota does
@iNautilus
And that is exactly why he doesn't have this problem.
Sir you are a gentlemen and a scholar
A witcher will strongly disagree with that.
Ronnie9P I confirmed with a curved weapon whose name I can’t remember that Geralt DOES in fact use the cut open scabbard trick. At least for that curved weapon. That and all the repair kits and oils seem to say those blades aren’t particularly taken care of.
EA bad, praise Geraldo
Kazimir no,he doesn't. He uses one hand. The sword gets out trough the sheath.
CruelRo Alex67 Just look carefully, he uses his other hand to quickly grab the hilt. There are CZcams video’s if you’re curious.
Robin Lelsz well... i'm in-game now and you're wrong. He only uses his right hand to take out the sword... There's no movement from the left...
I thought sword on the back was more convenient and comfortable to CARRY.
Historically it was only slung over the shoulder whilst on the march. Constantly being slapped in the calf by the end of a scabbard on a long march was very annoying to say the least. It was the same belt, with the sword attached at the same point, only hanging from the shoulder rather than the hip. Perhaps people saw the art from the era and assumed incorrectly.
The only sword that was slung over the shoulder in combat was the wakizashi (Japanese short sword). These were 12 to 24 inches long and could easily be drawn over the shoulder. They were also carried horizontally across the lower back.
OR a claymore baldric.... just saying... that would work more realistically to be drawn over the shoulder as it's not exactly........secured by a solid sheathe but a leather strap that can be torn off if pulled hard enough.
***** Very true. Due to the length of 2 handed great swords they had to be transported on the back. But they were drawn long before engagement. I was thinking of the long swords that he displayed.
Thank you for this insight! I was actually wondering about claymores specifically while watching this video.
+Xavier Thorn Yep very true. Infantrymen with longswords would be more likely to wear their swords on their backs or balanced over the shoulder wrapped in cloth as makeshift protection and for comfort. It is doubtful if half of them even had proper scabbards at all. Knights were a different matter. They could wear swords+scabbard and let them dangling from their belts without issue since they rode on horseback and the sword would bounce against the horse as the knight's leg would be angled more forward to stretch the stirrup. Or the knight would just get his squire(s) to carry his stuff...
Japanese infantry didn't have the same thigh slapping problem as the European infantry as the way the Japanese slotted their swords into the gaps of the Obi sash allowed their swords to rest more horizontally as to not obstruct the leg.
Ninjas would sometimes wear swords on their back if the situation called for it. Like if there were likely to be climbing involved, such as climbing up castle walls where swords worn at the hip would be impractical. For this reason ninjas and shinobis also favored the Ninjato swords which were shorter with straight blades, designed for stabbing (think 2 handed gladius) as opposed to the other curved Japanese swords designed more for slashing/slicing cuts.
+Xavier Thorn German Zweihanders were too large to even use a sheath. They were just carried on the shoulder like a halberd.
Geralt of Rivia is a super human. you yourself as a normal human being can't understand how he works. Also geralt's sword can glitch through his scabbard, a magical item indeed!
To be fair you have to have a very high IQ to draw your sword from the back.
I've noticed when geralt draws his sword he momentarily pushes the bottom of the scabbard horizontally towards the back to create an angle while pulling it slightly diagonally forwards and not completely vertically like this guy is trying to.
Geralt is smaller than him, Geralt is 5'10 which I presume also has a smaller wigspan.
Witcher swords seem to have much shorter blade than the one he used to demonstrate. Swords phase thru the scabbard in game because the body animation is not accurate - but it wouldn’t look as graceful if it were. Witchers have to carry both swords at all time so the back really is the only option and there equipment, of course, must be specially made.
It's also mentioned in the books that he draws his sword that way
was wondering why this question would warrant such a long video.... Then i came to the comments part.
theBabyDead I also thought the same... does no one understand it’s a sword at your side, not on your back? People that argue against it are people who play games like the Witcher and suddenly think they’re sword fighting experts, or playing cod and think they’re gun experts. Gamers are good at arguing things they have no idea about because they play games with those things in the game
Mental Popcorn
Some blades can be drawn from the back. In this video he was using both the wrong type of sword, drawing it out the wrong way as well as using an oversized blade.
Historically swords were made to be drawn from the back. His clearly weren’t designed with that intent.
@masuta that depends on the sword, yes. But he did make that point. And that does NOT negate his points of how it'd be stupid, even if you can.
The dude in the video made a whole video about how it's impossible to draw a sword through that position, but forgot that he could just adapt the sheath to a proper use.
The sword does not need to be all covered by it's sheath.
Just do like Talion.... gameranx.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/MESoW1.jpg
@Lucas Brockini you ALSO clearly have NOT watched the video. He DID talk about that, actually. Idiot.
The whole katana argument is invalid anyway. Samurai at all points wore their swords on the hip so that they could slash immediately whilst drawing the sword. This should be common knowledge anyway, people who argue against this do not know much about katana's or samurai.
broefkip that's a samurais style not all japanese warriors
name other japanese warriors, And no, a ninja isn´t one.
Shannon Bolton In medieval Japan if you were a soldier, you were a Samurai. From Toyotomi Hideyoshi onward it wasn't even allowed for non-samurai to have weapons. The only exception to Samurai were Ninja's or warrior monks like the ikko-ikki. So unless you are a Ninja, or unless you are from the Ikko-Ikki who mainly used Nagitana which is a blade on a pole. In medieval Japan, you are fighting with a Katana or a Yari and those were definitely not worn on their backs.
Tad Tranclere that is actually not true, swords were also worn on in scabbards attached to horses or behind shields.
Who are you calling a whore
You just need a buddy so you can carry each other's swords and draw from each other's backs. lol
that makes sense
Definitely, I call em sworn swords. We always handle each others swords before battle.
+christian beaupre which sword your talking about bro....... 😝😝
Yes, but this isn't Sparta.
+Al RedAye should've wrote This.Isnt.Sparta
We need the help of a Master Witcher
Tony's Revenge there's a witcher school in Poland.
SemperVigilare I have to go there...I think that my mother in law is a vampire
Tony's Revenge you made my day.
Medallion humming
I fucking wanna go but it's too damn expensive... Q_Q
It just looks more flashy. People want it to be true and would rather ignore logical deductions over TV and games. Though the pulling down of the scabbard was actually my first guess... Guess it didn't work.
Mighty Mouse Just because this one guy can't figure out how to do it doesn't make it untrue, he just fails at basic physics
yes but he could be unable to do it because it is impossible OR because he fails at intuitive physics, but I can not tell the difference
Yeah the way he pulled it out was one reason. The other is because he’s using the wrong size of blade as well as the wrong type for that kind of maneuver.
Felix Coffey
Your comments are all asinine so far on every reply feed but to answer your question the drawing maneuver for a greatsword like what he has there is to pull it over your shoulder with both hands not straight up with one hand.
It's really simple, actualy. You just need to make a proper sheath that allows you to draw from your back.
Like Talion's in Shadow of Mordor/War.
gameranx.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/MESoW1.jpg
Weapons were carried on the back most for transportation. But there were some special clasp release sheathes for two-handed swords where the hand released the clasp then the other lifted it slightly and swung it out sideways. The other main way for drawing was to swing the entire scabbard off your back then holding the blade with one hand violently unsheathe it with the other slinging it to the side.
those special clasp release sheathes are actually modern inventions, made by/for fanboys who want back scabbards to be a thing so badly that they get really creative to try to make it work.
The answer is longer arms
Considering men were shorter back in the middle age that's not really an answer
maybe they were more flexible
or shorter sword
Cow Chop HM or a shorter sword
Cow Chop HM Or Look at the sheath from shadow of mordor
The biggest argument for *not* drawing the sword from the back is that if you're attacked and you draw the sword from the side, you can use the sword to block before it's even fully drawn.
Brandon F. They even do in in the campaign of For Honor :D
Brandon F. you sidestep/backstep and bring the sword down for a vertical strike
If you're in a position to properly sidestep/backstep, you wouldn't have needed to block with the sword still half in the scabbard. You'd sidestep anyway.
Brandon F. if you were in position where you have enough time to draw and block an opponents sword, youll have more than enough time to directly to dodge it. It varies based on the environment your fighting in as well as if its 1v1 or otherwise.
Solid moon yes you try to dodge enemy sword when ever possible so your blade wont go dull cause all of the blocking but if you have ever fought with sword you know it's easier to block than dodge-> block needs less time than dodge
Who'd a thought pulling it out would be so difficult?
Well there could be some kind of ancient rule of thumb we don't know about that a sword should be made according to its wielder and the length of their arm.
Like, idk, shortswords?
Sorry about that accidental dislike, a moth was on my screen
Hidden - uh no. A sword made custom to your arm length is definitely a longsword, unless you are a midget or a child.
Sir John Hammond I mean it would be smaller than your arm's length. I meant more along the lines of: those can still be made to measure a certain length based on your arm length, as well as the fact that they would've been the answer to this whole problem.
Sorry if I misunderstood. I do believe there were blacksmiths that took the size and reach of the person they're making a blade for in mind.
We know there is no such rule because we have hundreds of long swords from antiquity and they are all roughly the same length. So unless knights of the middle ages were all 7 feet tall, no. And we know they weren't because we also have their armor. And that was far more custom fitted than a sword.
Witcher has actually mechanism on the back so the sword will "pop up" in his hand.. its described in books
also from what I observed in the witcher games geralt pops the scabbard up with his hand when sheathing
When you watch Geralt draw in slow motion you will notice him pulling the sword out of the scabbard like in this video, but the last 10 inches of the sword mysteriously hoover (or clip through or whatever this is called in gaming jargon) right through the scabbard because the sword is just too long to draw, and his hand is too short to pull it out fully :D
But the main thing is, it looks cool....
Well in a world of fantasy and magic? Lets just call it that and overlook it lol.
if you look closely he actually hits the bottom of his blade so you can reach it look at his left hand when drawing his sword
No fucking mechanism, he just pulls the belt of the scabbard. Read books 4 times. All of em. No word about mechanism.
Obviously the way to do it is to pull the sword out as far as possible real quick and then letting go, causing the sword to fly out of the scabard allowing you to then catch it in mid air!
/s
Sure if you want to drop it like an idiot.
hehe
The semi-javelin approach.
Nearly certain that is how all sword fights (in the history of mankind) began.
This technique is called "Draw Sword Rightly" in historical manuals
I wonder if they did this with curved swords, possibly easier to pull out when it's curved?
Danny Deko did knights use curved swords?
Lord Tol persians back in spartan age maybe?
NightwingX012 I WAS WAITING FOR THAT THANK YOU
Lol I know nothing about medieval warfare but i was just guessing
Yes. They are called Falchions. Not all of them are curved, but some are. I have one, and I wear mine on the back, fitted on my shield. I can draw it from there with no problem. So... Longswords, no. But in mediaeval times there were so many more swords and weapons. Why take the longest of swords to proof it cant be done...
Just get a shorter sword
Or just put the scabbard on your hip.
no u
Broken straight sword ftw
It's called a long sword for a reason
I agree on both stand points the hip is faster but if you have a short sword and long arms than its easy
Dude you look like you would be right at home in lord of the rings or The witcher. That beard and physique just scream fantasy character.
The reason I watched this, actually, is because of Shadow of Mordor and The Witcher. Especially in Shadow, I noticed everyone carried their swords on their back rather than their hip. I thought that was kinda odd.
I see this a lot in anime. I rarely ever see this in live action for obvious reasons. It would be good see this done right in reality, a shorter blade would be better.
Fun fact, the fantasy series berserk fixes this by using a leather strap instead of a sheath. tinyurl.com/jrdw3sp
Actually, funny you should say that. Shadow of Mordor made me instantly love their attention to detail because if you look at the sword sheath on his back, it isn't a full sheath, It only covers about half of the sword from the bottom, so when he pulls it half way out the it is free from the sheath. ( it is hard to explain, but just go look at it, and you will see what I mean )
+The Klespyrian I love that game
Geralt in young years lol
*Geralt disliked this video*
Dragos He pushes the scabbards a little when drawing swords. It is an amazing detail in the game.
Jeff T
What? Are you absolutely sure about that?
Jeff T
No dude is very cool guy, he is brutaly honest about everything, but thats hardly bad thing. He is also very funny. And fantastic writer. And he wasnt that old when he wrote the witcher(first book).
Edit: You just know shit about him, maybe you saw some short video with him. Trust me, he is better person then you are
Dragos Gerald have long arms 😂😂😂
Jeff T he is like 70 now he wrote the first book like 30 years ago so he was like 40 years old that’s not very old, probably about as old as many developers of the games are today
Depending on the swords shape and size then yes it is possible.
It’s always more practical to carry by you’re waist though.
Faster draw being the best factor.
A slightly shorter curved blade would be the best type,It would need to be specially designed for you though if you wanted to maximise length.
It would literally just be to look cool.
With modern swords I have bought and seen online usually the back hung sheaths have a portion that is not connected at the top with a simple releasable snapping strap. That allows you to hold the sword in, but it allows it to open up freely to about 6 inches or so less distance to pull it through.
Why was this a recommended video, I didn't dislike the video (I actually watched the whole video and it was quite entertaining) but why was this recommended to me?
Same here.
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me too... sometimes youtube has these wierd recomendations
If you get it as a recommended video again, you can click the 'not interested' option and then click on the 'why was this recommended to me' option to see what you'd watched earlier that CZcams believes is tied to this video. It's hilarious to see how its suggestion system 'works' sometimes.
because google is a giant stupid robot
the scabberd looks amazing though
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Except, you see, it's not a real scabbard. I can tell because it doesn't go "SCHWING" when he pulls the sword out.
"it doesn't go "SCHWING""
Bravo!
With your hight of 6'3" and medieval looks, after a few years of training, you'd make an A1 warrior.
I think it depends on arm or sword length like the master sword is shorter than that I mean that is a video game but it does I think it does depend on sword length
it works with geralt because his reach is longer than the blade
after all he's a witcher
Actually, if you look closely, the sword clips through the scabbard
And if anything Geralt pushes the end of the holster then pulls it put
+GAMEpoop yeah he pushes it up when unsheathing and sheathing either of his swords
Joseph Hernandez It still wouldn't work in real life. In the game it actually clips through the scabbard
+Christopher Solares In which game? Just because a sword model is slightly visible through the scabbard model when sheathing and unsheathing in a video game doesn't mean it wouldn't be possible for someone in a fantasy setting with super human abilities to sraw a sword from their back.
Swords on the back made sense for long treks. A person could detach the scabbard from the frog and attach it to their pack when trekking. and place it back on their side before battle. Walking/running with a sword at your side is extremely awkward and irritating. So unless you were planning on using it at any time keeping it on your back made sense. Same thing with shields.
I digress drawing from your back was non-ideal to nonviable and would be akin to being caught with your pants down.
You're right, but in reality, people traveling with swords rested the blade and scabbard on their shoulder and carried it how marching redcoats carried their rifles.
Yeah, this how I understand the way they handled their equipment. I've read historical records from war "correspondents" of the day that said the knights carried their shields and swords on their back while riding a horse, and when it was time for action, they would arm themselves and sometimes dismount before arming themselves.
just use a "short double edged sword". a short sword, it may be possible.
Bit of information you might find interesting. When in was learning Iaido (Basically samurai sword play) we spent AGES and AGES just practicing putting the sword correctly in the scabbard. You have to hold the top of the scabbard and tilt it as you put the sword into it. This is because typically (unless you have a metal scabbard) the sword will cut through it, if inserted incorrectly! I can tell you from experience that putting a sword into a scabbard is a careful process. Not saying that it wouldn't work if it was on your back but I assume you'd need a shorter weapon. To summarize ..... SWORDS ARE AWESOME 👍🏻
I was thinking about that this morning if it was possible to do it, and I just happened to stumble across this video
To draw a sword from the back it needs to be shorter than your arm.
Damien DM sanctuary the scabbard is not the same as a hip scabbard and the top allows the end of the sword to come out on an angle.
yeah but still not historical acourate to not say is not that pratical when you can have it righ on your side and in case block some incoming attack way more faster after a draw
You physically could but there's no advantage to doing so. It's slower, it's more of a hassle and it's no use until it's completely out (no drawing into a hanging guard).
No shot Sherlock!
Damien DM, I don't k know if it's historically accurate ( which it probably wasn't) but the best one I saw had 2 u shape hooks for the hilt to rest on, had no middle section, and only 5 or so inches of sheath at the bottom.
im just thinkin about the witcher lmfao
notice the glitch in frames when he draws and when he reinserts??
+Crae Z No, bc it doesn't exist
There is certainly some clipping while Geralt draws and sheathes his sword.
+Matthew M Anything is possible in a world with flying Elf demons!
im literally playing the witcher right now XD
Talion, the main character from Middle-Earth: Shadow of Mordor/War has a slot out of which it can be pulled only partway, then pulled out at an angle.
i like having short swords/knives behind on the lower back. out of the way, and very easy to do practically, and it still looks cool. also guts in berserks sword is entirely possible to draw, once you get around the impossibility of ever lifting it.... or really even standing while wearing it, lol.
dude it's easy to put it back in. just toss it in the air, tilt your head, and it falls in place lmfao just like trunks in dbz.
I love it... not sure I should try it though. :D
I can't remember seeing that in DBZ, do you know of a clip online? sounds hilarious.
lol,
lmao
+KnightSquire It's after Trunks and Goku have their sparing match when Goku returns to planet Earth. Just search Goku vs Trunks and it should be at the end of the clip where trunks powers down from super saiyan.
Can't seem to find it anywhere... they fight twice it seems and doesn't happen at the end of either of the videos. :3
He-man. That's why people defend it. Protecting childhood memories.
Or, because most people don't actually care about 100% realism.
The only realism that I care about is what is realistic in the setting in question.
If it makes sense and works in the established setting in question, then that is what is realistic in that fictional setting. Simple as that.
It only matters if it's trying to be realistic in terms of real life or historically accurate.
I mean. Is He-man for example trying to be realistic in terms of real life?..................... NO.
So complaining about things like this is just ridicilous. I especially hate when people act as if creators are idiots, like.
'' Hurr durr, bikini armors and shoulderpads that drip lava from them or men running around in their underwear or only a pair of leather pants on open battlefield is unrealistic. Lol, dem stupid creators don't know how armor works ''................. No shit sherlock? AND OFCOURSE THEY KNOW HOW ARMOR WORKS!
They just don't care, because they don't about or perceive realisim in fiction the same way that you do.
The average concept artists knows more about real life historical armor and weaponary than most youtube enthustiasts do. They just don't care, because real life realism isn't the goal or intent.
to be fair. he-man is a really big dude. even pre transformation and the power sword is really a shortsword
That's also true, his sword actually isn't that long.
My points still stand tho.
I think that some people just assume that everyone automatically and inherently care about '' realism '' and think that people who don't are idiots or something who just don't know how things actually work.
It's my main problem with Skallagrim for example. He is extremely condescending when talking about this stuff.
I don't have problem when people talk about it in general, but when they start acting as if everyone cares and make dumb ass comments like '' dem stupid concept artists, animators etc dun know how things work cuz dumb ''.......... Ehm.... Wat?
If you want to become an animator or a concept artists for example, you HAVE to study real life. The average concept artists and animators knows more about this stuff than people like Skallagrim or Knightsquire does, they have to.
They just don't care, because it's simply a point of reference. What actually matters is what the fictional setting question establishes and how the world works in that setting.
If a fictional setting establishes that people can leap huge distances through the air and wield massive swords while wearing shoulderpads that drip lava and have a huge gap in the front, then that is normal and realistic in that setting.
What is realistic and works in real life doesn't really matter.
It's the same with how a ton of people judge fictional settings based entirely on American social and political norms.
It really grinds my gears and it stiffles the shit out of creative freedom.
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Mc Mcluvin ah, skallagrin.you just listed the exact reason i stoped watching that guy.o agree entirely with your argument, people tend to forget that above all else a game is supposed to be fun,
Some sheaths had a slit through the side so you can tilt it and it comes out nicely from the back, and the sword sheathed would be locked nicely from the locket and crossguard
i've never tried anything like this and i know for a fact as i've taken kendo, that katana's are always wielded from the left hip. But i am curious to know if maybe if you tilted the scabbard up and over your shoulder as you pull it out would it help from the back?
Maybe if you do a backflip, let the sword slip out of the scabbard, then make a roll and pick up the sword from the ground...
It would surely confuse the enemy
THIS. Forever this. Damn I wish I could try it...
when I was younger I actually used to start combat in a fashion similar to this, til I got booted in the face and learned.
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Why has no one thought of this? It makes perfect sense.
You do that.
Another thing you didn't mention is that pulling the blade exposes you to an attack, whereas pulling from the side defends you.
he did
I was pretty sure I did...
+KnightSquire I don't think you did
5:45 onward
+Okami of the Abyss sortof
you could put a turning mechanism on the part holding the sword and when you move the sword to your side it slides out
There are sheaths that tend to have slits cut out at the end where the sword will go in, that could make it a bit easier to draw it, also a shorter sword works too
Not to be mean but this video was 8:40 long and about 6:00 of that was him attempting to pull it out the same way with the same set up and same weapon. But he said it would be all the different ways.
Here are some you missed:
1. More curved weapon - Scimitar, Sabers
2. Shorter weapons: Gladius, Ninjato
3. Tightness of the baldric - Will holding it loosely allow a cleaner pull then very tight,
4. What about the sword being situated higher on your back vs. lower. I personally found having it a bit lower helps. Depending on the tightness of the scabbard it can allow it to slide out more easily.
Why is it all the guys who provide nothing to this site have all the best ideas for videos... Make it mate, no one is stopping you.
1. I dont own a scimitar or a saber and I'm not buying one to prove that drawing from the back is pure fantasy.
2. OBVIOUSLY short enough weapons work, (but not better than drawing from the hip) but I was talking about the common fantasy depictions, mainly longswords or katana.
3. How bloody loose do you want it, if you loosen it to much the thing falls down under the weight of the blade and ends up dangling by your hip anyway.
4. Higher is the worst solution to this problem I've ever heard... if you can draw a longsword from the back with a scabbard secured high up....video it, and show me... cos I think I'm as likely to see you posting a video of bigfoot.
I was trying to be respectful in my suggestions. Not my fault you said you were going to try all the methods yourself. I didn't realize all the methods included one way. Perhaps someday I will make my own video, but YOU are actually doing this, and I guess attempting to be informative. I was simply trying to offer an idea to improve it. If you can't take constructive criticism, then get off of CZcams.
Now to address your statements
1. Wood or foam proxy's could easily be used. If can make a scabbard/ baldric, pretty sure you have the technical skills to do that.
2. Based on the title and what you were stating this isn't a discussion about hip vs back, but can back be applied practically... "Drawing Sword From The Back - Is It Possible?". You did say why you were using a longsword and Katana, but you also stated you would try the different methods. Part of that could and should have also been different lengths of swords. It might be a surprise to hear but longs swords did come if different lengths.
3. As bloody loose or tight as to get an idea of which is better. Someone posted using the other hand to grab the bottom and pull with the top. And before you say something inane, there are several examples of people wearing the weapon on the hip grabbing the scabbard and pulling with the other hand.
4. I voiced higher vs lower. As in try to adjust it and see which one makes it easier yet still allows you to grab the handle. I do love how on 3 and 4 you take my suggestions to comically ridiculous proportions. depending on the lengths of the swords you are using and your arm, a few inches can make a big difference.
I discussed the parts of this arguement that interested me, and seemed to be the most relivant, I don't care about scimitars, and I don't have to.
I get a lot of criticism that is very polite and I'm happy for it... But please don't get confused... I don't HAVE to be ok with anything you say, why is it you are free to state your opinion as fact... but if I say your full of shit, it's because I can't take criticism. Heres some for you, your critique was shit... and the idea of trying multiple different sized longswords is dumb and inpracticle, unless of course you're lucky enough to own multiple swords, each slightly longer or shorter, so as to provide a conclusive test.
All this in order to tell people "hey this thing in fantasy, is a FANTASY... It's made up... NOT REAL"
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I just saw your last response. Allow me to extend my own apology then. I truly wasn't saying it to offend. I have a sword collection and have loved them since I was a child as well. I simply wanted to extend some thoughts to perhaps make you videos more informative and definitive. If you find them useful then great, if not, then disregard them.
Regardless, I hope you have a good evening and I wish you luck with your future videos.
*cough* witcher *cough*
Geralt of Rivia u use magic my dear Gerald or have a stretching arm u r mutant after all
Geralt of Rivia cough Kirito from SAO cough
Cough Shadow of War cough?
Beano Austins The scabbard in SoW is open at the top, making it easier to draw the sword
Haminator Ainz Disgusting filth! Put that shitty anime away.
I had this conflict so I thought of using the other hand to pull it over and it seems plausible.
Looks like it could work for a shorter sword, and the scabbard was held in place by some form of armour (like Uhtred's in the Last Kingdom).
Guts' sword from Berserk though, regardless its enormous size, is easy to draw because it is hung with a chain link, on a hook on his back :)
I believe that he unhooks the leather strap-chain thing before he draws the dragonslayer but I'm not really sure how it works, it's an imaginary sword after all... i.imgur.com/bF8E0Bl.jpg
You forgot the ""s :)
Actually I've been watching the 5th episode of the new anime which was released today. You can notice in the beginning of the episode that when Guts draws the Dragonslayer, the left part of the chain is indeed unhooked. I was a bit surprised seeing that they included this detail in the animation.
I see what you did there, and i approve it. BTW new chapter was up this 25th, at long last.
I see and like what you did there.
You have to do it Trunks Style...throw it up, and catch it :P
Or magnetic generated field that protects it and sticks to your back because magnet :P You know, Sci Fi!
The idea is if you can cheat physics (which you can't), you can do anything!
+syaondri Nice reference to Skallagrim you did there
+DarthAlphaTheGreat I actually saw on the RWBY wiki that's how Blake holds her weapon on her back, using a magnetic sheet of metal to hold it in place since the sheath itself is a weapon too.
u can sort of cheat physics when u get in an airplane
Some swords were worn on the back, but theyd typically be worn with a half scabbard or one with a cutout, if they didn't just remove the scabbard before drawing it
It work for certain type of swords, how you place it on your back and how you handle it.
6:10 Hey you wouldn't get stabbed probably because your enemy would lie on the ground laughing XD
Actually I doubt any serious opponent would find it funny, more along the lines of insulting
***** Indeed.
actually, many swords that had back scabbards were held with one hand on the handle, and one hand halfway down the blade. Back scabbards work as transport for your larger swords to the battlefield...or for a sword shorter than your arm length, (i.e. a sword 30" or less...still a respectably sized sword, but can be removed with relative ease from a back mount. I AM a historian, and I do European weapons sparring.
Alex Brant and he forgot how in Witcher, the player can tilt the sheathe towards him, when he draws and sheathes
Actually there are some records about carrying a sword on the back in the history of my country (China), but these 'swords' ain't exactly like long swords or broadswords, most of them are only about the the length of your hand and your forearm. The traditional Chinese weaponry used to have very strict rules about how long every weapon should be. Most of the weapons except polearm and maces are just about 50-65cm long.
And in some time period japanese did carry wakizashi(a 30-60cm blade) on their backs.
Bobby Zhou lol banning weapons in the meta instead of making better weapons
TheRedAzuki I have no idea what you are on about. Most weapons in Zhou Dynasty are still intact after 2700 years, tell me about making better weapons, pfft.
Okay, you seem to have missed my joke completely. I was refering to the fact, that in many current games(Esports sometimes) rather ban what the community deem OP instead of developing counters.
So I was simply making a joke based on the fact that traditional chinese weaponry had strict rules how long every weapon should be. As if "If this sword is 68cm its too OP! BAN IT AND JUST MAKE IT 65CM tops!" As if the Chinese government was a kid trying to balance a game that wasn't meant to be fair or balanced.
TheRedAzuki Dude, it's impossible for me to get that joke. Who would have thought you were talking about the length of weapons like some kinda in-game item rating.
Scabbard should have a split on one side near the top just enough to slip the last section out.
I knew it wouldn't work if you had a traditional sheath but would you could use magnets either with a slit in the sheath so that it closes when you pull it out. Or just have a magnet on your back
More important than drawing, can you unscrew the pommel from the back?
I'll test it immediately... end this test rightly.
KnightSquire So? :P
And then throw it!
Yeah it's not as hard as you made it out to be KnightSquire. There are many ways to make it work.
But meh, I'm no expert. It might not be possible, but I think it is.
Nobody ever drew from the back, it was certainly a method to carry the tool, though you wouldn't wanna carry it like that if you're expecting to use it anytime soon, in that case you'd rest it against your shoulder and support it with one hand, well that's not relevant for a longsword I guess, more of a greatsword thing.
Agreed.
nah man it was common for a longsword to be carried on the shoulder if you were expecting to be attacked and its a lot more comfortable when walking as it wont be constantly be hitting your leg (which is a problem for me because i have a blackfencer) so whenever i go to my HEMA club i carry it by resting it on my shoulder
it seems more like something someone would do if they're running supplies around a camp or something like that
KIRITO HACKED AGAIN
I know that you're joking and all but I just want to say that technically he didn't... Kirito's swords were about the length of his arms and his sheaths were made in such a way and in a certain position that he could unsheath them properly from his back.
Yakasuki yeah lol
Comet the Night Fury Guts' is still the better black swordsman
Nope
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Now that was practically a greatsword so logic can't really be applied there.
Have you tried to use your shoulders to flick the scabbard to roll it in a forward circular arc?
Pull it out so it flies out the scabbard then catch the blade and dance on one foot to confuse opponent
People desperately want it to be true because they desperately want to believe their video games are REALISTIC MEDIEVAL COMBAT SIMULATORS and that they actually learned something watching anime.
In the Witcher 3 he flicks the scabbard up with his left hand right before he draws it with his right.
It can work with shorter swords.And you can't deny it looks cool.
I didn't take you seriously when you said "Combat Simulators".
What are you? Some 50 year old parent who calls Call of Duty a killing simulator too?
His point was that video games are NOT realistic medieval combat simulators. It's a good idea to actually read before insulting.
+Ice Cream None of the gamers I know (including myself ) believe that games are realistic medieval combat simulators.
If the thing (sheath, or however it is called) is tied to the straps loosely (and by that i mean that it is just tied at one point and it can move freely in ball axis) can't you pull the blade forwards and a bit downwards if need by, because like that you will get some extra space, because the direction you are pulling the showder and the handle aren't in the same line, but the shower is more forward.
What about having the quiver over your other shoulder and still pulling with your right hand? Just a thought, never tried it myself.
People are *still* arguing about this? For fucks sake! Let it go already, I know you desperately want to live out your movie fantasies but it's been proven time and time again that it. Just. Does. Not. Work.
The fact that the debate is still "raging" is just depressing to me.
Mate, I can't understand it... I thought to myself make a comprehensive video to try and prove it... but people won't have it. Crazy what people will believe if they are desperate enough.
It might be possible with a... bended? (Dunno if that's the correct form.) sword, like a Katana. Or just use a shorter sword.
+Tiger205 HotS Nevermind, just watched the last 4 minutes...
+owen tsai Exactly, thx.
Sad/ amusing: All the dumbasses that downvoted this video.
was watching Daredevil, saw ninjas draw swords from their back, noticed that the sheath is open on the top about halfway down
This is why some people in media are depicted with the scabbard being open on the top half. So that it can be tilted out near the top
you gotta spin the scabbard around like a guitar then pull it out while it's still spinning
Maybe use a 15 cm shorter sword ? Problem solved.
That's not really the point he was making though, was it? People were arguing that you could pull a longsword out of a scabbard on your back. You can't. Obviously if the sword is small enough then you can.
+dragoncrystal24 but even then it's not ideal, people can sneak on you and take your sword away, I'd still rather have it in my side
whats the point of losing reach to gain absolutely fucking nothing but a fancy looking move that will just slow you down
a 15 cm shorter sword wouldn't be a longsword anymore. it'll be a bastard sword or an army sword. Both of which are more comfortably held by the hips.
Exactly. Just carry a swiss army knife on the back instead of a longsword. Problem solved.
A long sword is a two handed sword. You could have tried an arming sword, or one of the short bladed swords (Gladius, short sword, wakizashi etc) or long knives.
Back carry was for convenience, particularly when on the march if you couldn't stow your weaponry in a cart. So when riding, you might sling the sword on your back, but you wouldn't try drawing it from there - it's effectively stowed away rather than being ready for use.
The back draw was something of an oddity: It was used with shorter bladed weapons (such as the Ninjato) where the person needed to keep the weapon out of the way while doing something else (aka, for convenience) such as sneaking around. Don't want the sword to hit things or topple things after all. Longer blades don't draw so well from the back, so a shorter bladed weapon would be more practical.
So, back carry/draw was a convenience, not something done in battle (unless you got caught in a fight when you weren't looking for one).
Hope that helps.
^ exactly right!
I'm not seeing how its convenient. All of the things you listed can be done better wearing the sword on the hip.
While on the march on a horse the sword isn't in the way on the hip and if you don't want to wear it why now hang it from the saddle where you can still get to it. You never know when you might get raided might as well have a descent weapon to defend yourself will.
For sneaking around the hips still a better place as its easy to hold the sword steady and maneuver it comfortably with your left hand, something you cant do with it on your back. In fact I find it more likely to hit of topple things while on the back, duck slightly under a branch and get the handle caught, something that can easily be avoided by holding the sword while its on your hip.
There a reason there is no real evidence for wearing the sword on the back in history, it wasn't very useful.
For transport, across long distances, the back is much stronger than the sides, which could easily get fatigued with a heavy sword hanging off it.
Try it - take a heavy backpack, and instead hang it off your hip. You'll quickly wish it was on your back.
bingo! i was about to comment myself.. If you have ever held an actual two handed sword, they are not light at all, and this was way before any sort of motorized vehicle transportation.. these warriors marched or rode great distances carrying these weapons. Carry on the back is definitely way more convenient.
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A sword at the side isn't as easily controlled as if it's on the back. Walking with a side slung sword requires you place a hand on the hilt to keep it from bouncing and bumping at anything other than a moderate stroll. This is why, if you look at images of Pike or Musket, or even knights, they rest their left hand on a right side slung sword: It's to keep the sword steady.
Back slung is more comfortable, just not as accessible. Back slung puts the sword to the central line of the body and frees both hands. This is why you see 'Ninja' with back slung swords. Yes, the hilt can get caught in branches, but when around a building/castle - not much chance of that happening. So the weapon goes to where it's convenient for it to be.
And for reference: I've carried a rapier (baldric - side slung) and a tuck (same, but not at the same time), so know it's a natural reaction to secure it with the hand when marching (English Civil War re-enactment in my case). Back slung was a lot easier to carry - comfortable and controlled and I had my hands free - usually happened after a battle when returning to camp as this wasn't part of the display.
And as I've also carried modern firearms... the same goes for them: Carried they're okay, but after a while you really just want them on the back if they're not needed (the SA80's strap is even designed to allow this for this very reason).
Where can I buy cheap practise swords?
Try it with a second strap that goes around the right hip. Which should keep it in place while you extend your arm and lower your right arm till it slides out.
also imagine pulling it out with a full set of heavy plate armour. is nearly impossible
to be fair, you maintain full range of motion in plate armor.
on the contrary, your movement is really limited. ofcorse it depends on the armour but 90% of the full plate armours did compromise your movement and sometimes you would even stumble and fall to the ground if you where not careful.
just look up "plate armor mobility" and you'll see plenty of examples of how your statement is bullshit
+The Milest
You certainly wouldn't be able to reach behind your back enough to reach for a sword attached to the back in plate armor.
Plate armor does limit movement, and that's fine, because it's armor.
All the videos depicting mobility and flexibility in plate armor are usually just cardio displays of "look, plate armor isn't this heavy after all". They don't retain full range of motion as they would without plate armor. That's just fucking silly. You're canned, after all, so no way you would.
Skallagrim made a video just on gloves, and they reduced movement significantly. And you think you'd retain a full range of motion with things like pauldrons? Yeeeeeeeah buddy.
I'm sure you've seen "Le combat en armure au XVe siècle" but that probably won't convince you. The plates were staggered for a reason.
Well made video, thank you for sharing. I'm going to watch a few other videos from you :3
Wow the Metatron himself.
You're a big inspiration dude, so that means a lot Thanks. :D
KnightSquire You are doing well yourself, I have watched a few of your videos today and I'll surely look out for more. +1sub :)
Didn't you prove last year that it was possible with a katana?
gamestory I did, but the katana is shorter than a long sword and it's curved, and it would still not be the optimal choise for combat but only for transportation, which I believe I mentioned in that video ;)
Drawing a katana from the back is also pretty darn hard. Those are JUST short enough to make it possible, but unless you're talking about A Ninja Style Katana, it's simply not going to happen.
best explanation I've seen for how this was done comes from a Conan the barbarian book i think (honestly been a few years), but the sheath was describe as having a slit cut on the side opposite the arm used to draw the sword about a third the length of the sheath to make it easier to draw out.
yes a scabbard would be the name of a sheath for a sword, either name is correct tho.
the thing is, that I spend much more time walking around with the weapon in its sheath, then in my hand and walking with a sword at my hips swinging against my leg all the time is really uncomfortable
I would go with the sword (no longsword) on the back and a dagger at my belt
Geralt would be pissed if he saw this xD
I hope not... the man slays monsters for a living, I've a feeling he will make light work of me. :D
It's actually interesting, if you look at Geralt's scabbards, they seem to actually tilt forwards when he draws the sword, thereby making it more like pulling the sword forwards, away from yourself, rather than straight up into the air.
Not sure if that'd make any practical difference, but it's kinda cool.
+TheJubbert he tilts them with his offhand, go on the Witcher and keep sheathing/unsheathing his sword
This is the primary way this drawing technique is used. Drawing the sword while applying forward pressure to tilt the sheath to allow the sword to come forward, allowing instantaneous transition into either forward slash or hilt smash attacks.
if you watch closely Geralt actually pushes sword holder a bit in order get the sword out properly!
Dude! You don't use a standard scabbard with the back drawn sword.
You use a scabbard that only actually holds the sword completely when its mostly in.
The scabbard is made from hardened leather and/or steel with a wide split from top to 1/4 from tip..
A proper long sword blade is gradually wider near the top than the bottom so that a sword sitting fully in this scabbard is secured, but withdrawn a few inches it can be turned slightly and removed completely without coming close to the sword tip clearing the top of the scabbard.
King Dormak the chromosome expelling forniphile You read that wrong. Top...Not Tip.
Place the sword in its sheath and you'll see which is the top... Unless you carry it weird. ;)
Toward the hilt.
This is not always true. While I'm sure most people will "call bullshit" I am a swordsman and draw from the back for a variety of reasons. I use a standard sheathe and have never once after learning the correct technique had troubles drawing from the back.
danie40411 Using a long sword? Do you know of any videos showing the technique with a long sword in a standard sheath?
No, but I will post one the moment I have access to a camera and respond here with the link happily, hopefully putting this debate to rest.
The answer is a Swing harness... about the middle of the Sheath, put a flywheel. Add a contact latching clip on the end to catch the end of the sheath that doesn't swing out. Don't really need longer arms if the sword can come out at a different angle.
I actually made one about 7 years ago to test. Nearly tore my arm out because I messed up on the placing of the flywheel.
They do sheath it behind but it's usually pull out of the sheath before a fight by just taking it out and unsheath it then put it back .
GoT Battle of the Bastards....When Jon Snow faces the charging Bolton Army, he removes his scabbard entirely before drawing his sword. Is this more historically accurate? Love the channel btw, subbed!
Glad you like it, thanks. :D
More likely would be that swords would have been carried to the battlefield on a horse, drawn and then carried to battle. But honestly, I loved that moment because it makes perfect sense, Jon owns a valuable sword so he would want it at his side. But if he has the chance he would rather not have the scabbard aimlessly dangling at his side. He simply discarded what wasn't essential.
Thanks for replying! Yeah, at first, I wondered why he removed the whole thing, and didn't just draw the sword...but ofc it makes perfect sense to not want the scabbard dangling off him. Wonderful scene, too.
No worries, That's what I'm guessing at least. I know, that shot of Jon standing in front of the charging army was incredible, I made it my desktop wallpaper... total nerd.
Good choice! And if loving swordsmanship, medieval history and Game of Thrones is nerdy, then sign me up lol You're talking to someone who tried to set up D and D games at school during lunch breaks - always failed because somehow my friends always thought it was strange that I knew more about orcs than make-up :P
I belive he expected to die, and so he threw it away cus he would never need it again.
I think using longer weapons misses the point of carrying a sword around in a scabbard. A bigger weapon isn't really for getting out quickly to defend yourself, it's for fighting other people who you know are coming- such as in a battle. A sword worn on the hip is much more likely to have a one hand-sized hilt, and is either going to be for civilian use or as a sidearm for a soldier with a bigger weapon.
Even then, though, my ulfberht is pretty difficult to draw from the back, so the points of the video still stand. Only sword I've held that would be short enough (I think at least) is a Roman gladius or similar.
The entire roman army used short swords for an enormous period in history, so it isn't really considered a sidearm like a pistol would be for a soldier in the army today. Each culture had their preference, and trying to equate thousands of years of melee warfare to modern day military is pointless.
MilkySubstance Yeah but they used spears primarily, did they not?
MilkySubstance Also, the term 'side arm' doesn't only apply to modern weapons. The fact remains, however, that this pattern can be observed in nearly any historic culture you can name- bigger melee weapons are pretty much always better for killing people with because of range advantages. Same reason why you get pyramid-shaped buildings in different ancient societies around the world- because that's a good way of stacking bricks to make a large building.
That shut milkysubstance up didn't it?
The bit about gettong ready for a fight if its an honor battle vhances are the opponent will let you het armed maybe even a little warm up before the to the death showdown
Larping, I have had a shoulder weapon, but it was always a blade around 2' (shorter than the distance from my shoulder to my wrist) so that when the sword I drew from my side was disarmed, I would have a fallback blade until I could recover my main blade. I also carried a short sword on my offhand side for the same reason.
Just a thought. What if there was a fastening button on the front of the strap instead of a buckle. That was you can grab the sword with one hand, pop the button with the other and allow the sheath to fall to the floor. You could even swing your sword with the sheath to fling it at the enemy to cause a distraction. Just a thought.
Loelightx95 OR . . . Or you could just buy a concealed carry and survive the encounter
Loelightx95 creative but impractical
Why would you throw your sheath at them? That’s ridiculous. You’re supposed to throw the pummel.
But have you tried slapping the bottom of the scabbard to alterer the angle from which you are pulling the sword from it? The timing would have to be perfect but it might work out better.
I've always loved that little detail in Witcher 3 though Idk how well it'd work IRL lol
Its not in Witcher 3, the thing are you talking is more similar to the thing that is in W3 - that when Geralt wants to hide his sword, he slaps bottom of the scabbard.
Why don’t you pull it from an angle across your shoulder so the sword’s scabbard moves along and you can take it out easier? Tryna pull the sword out upwards is just difficult.
Ganja 420 It's basic logic.
I also want to test out if a sheathe was extremely low and a fairly long handle would make it possible to unsheathe a word from the back(Just an idea I wanna try XD)
I don't know why this was on my recommended list but damn I'm happy it was XD This was amusing
There is a more modern scabbard for claymores that is designed for use on the back. Only the bottom foot or so is actually covered however, and the rest is open to the elements. It is secured, or as secured as it can be, by hooks that hold the guard in place. Even with this, you're absolutely right in that it isn't ideal, but a claymore is typically a bit big for a side scabbard anyways. I'm not really arguing for or against back sheaths here, I just thought I'd throw it out there.
Wearing a sword on the back makes great sense as a manner of carrying it between battles, because one enters battle with his weapon in hand, not in the scabbard.
Ooh, maybe a cover flap that can protect the sword from the elements that snaps off, like gun holsters do. Then you have protection, and with a snap or two you have easy draw! Or if you want historical accuracy, an easy knot of cord that unties with one tug.
While on the subject of carrying large blades into battle, they were generally transported en masse on a cart with the convoy, not on each soldier individually. When it was time for battle, you would grab your armaments from the cart and form up. This was done with greatswords generally, such as zweihanders. Outside an organized battle, such large swords are ridiculously bad at self defense.
The only way I could imagine somebody drawing a sword in this fashion would be if there was some sort of pull trigger on the buckle of the scabbard which basically just instantly unlatches it and then said scabbard drops to the floor. The user would hold the blade by the hilt and the scabbard would drop but even then I imagine the scabbard would have a common tendency of getting stuck on the blade.
*first time watching* do you have a video in which you show the accurate way of drawing a longsword or even a zweihänder? (Do those swords even have sheathes?)
7:06 Well, this IS actually how it was done with greatswords - they were carried around on the back, and pulled off prematurely, before the fight/battle.
And that is fine when the intent is to transport the weapon. Though if transport is the goal it is equally viable to simply toss it in a supply cart. A far better method anyway since it is out of your way and leaves you unencumbered if you have to deal with an ambush or something. The argument is typical with people that believe this to be a viable method to quick draw a sword. Which it isn't. If you want a sword at the ready for an unplanned combat situation you have it at your side.
That means you need then someone to move the cart full of heavy weapons in it. That makes the situation worse, not better. If you get ambushed and lose the cart you're fucked because you threw all your weapons in there like a dumbass.
No, because typically things you would carry on your back or in a cart would be things that wouldn't be to hand in an instant anyway. Do you honestly believe that during an ambush you have time to fumble about getting a great sword off your back? No you don't. That is why if you use one you would leave it in a cart and carry a long sword or arming sword at your hip. Or alternatively you carry the great sword unsheathed on your shoulder where it is at the ready. You don't carry weapons you intend to use in an instant on your back.
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I'd just like to add to your points that generally great swords were also more of a infantry/crowd suppression weapon, and were way to large and cumbersome for smaller skirmishes anyways. So even if you had a claymore on your back, you'd still want to use the more maneuverable short sword on your hip any ways.
Can't you like pull the sheath so it leans over your shoulder and then pull it out? Instead of trying to pull it straight up? Kinda like Geralt do in the witcher games. Still it's not something that was done historically but maybe it would be slightly easier.
I thought about this too. I think the problem with that is the scabbard won't be loose enough to bend with it, so the sword gets resistance and gets stuck when you try to do that.
His arm is not long enough to do that. In order to pull out the sword, his arm needs to be as long as the sword.
The problem still remains that he can only pull the sword the same length as his arm from his shoulder (where the scabard's opening is at), and that's not enough to release the blade.
The reason it works better at the hip, is because then he can pull the blade the full length of his arm, plus the length across his torso, which is enough to draw the weapon in this case.
WHERE ARE THE PEOPLE ASKING ABOUT SHORT SWORDS!?!?
I Can't Think Of A Good Name Nowhere because the video is not about shortswords.
7:58 I thought you were going to say drawing from the back...is wack!
The way to make it work (I saw this at a yea old tyme faire, so take it as you will) but a simple shortened scabbard that leaves a portion of the sword exposed to allow for easy drawing with a strap and snap up top to keep it secure when you expect to go out and fight or go ranging or whatever and keep a nice full scabbard for protection.