Leading the Counter-Woke Revolution | Konstantin Kisin | EP 333
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- čas přidán 7. 06. 2024
- Ep. 333
Dr Jordan B Peterson and Konstantin Kisin discuss western privilege, the self, the nature of God and religion, the necessity of religion for morality, and how we must combat the death of truth with cohesive principles.
Konstantin Kisin is a Russian-British satirist, social commentator, and co-host of the TRIGGERnometry CZcams show. He is also the author of “An Immigrant's Love Letter to the West,” a Sunday Times Bestseller. He has written for several publications including Quillette, The Spectator, The Daily Telegraph, and Standpoint on issues relating to tech censorship, woke culture, comedy, and other topics, but currently publishes articles on his popular Substack. Kisin made headlines in 2018 when he refused to sign a "safe space contract" to perform comedy at a British college and again in 2023 when he participated in an Oxford Union debate on the motion of "This House Believes Woke Culture Has Gone Too Far". His speech at the debate received viral attention and has been seen by over 100 million people around the world.
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- Chapters -
(0:00) Coming up
(1:28) Intro
(2:39) Vision for the future, the Oxford debate
(6:00) Apocalyptic moralism
(8:40) Western privilege
(10:12) the liberals lack a prolonged vision
(17:21) Comedy and the shift toward detriment
(20:34) Standing on the wealth of humanity
(25:18) Solutions and tradeoffs
(29:02) With the death of God
(31:01) Don’t do nothing: some things to do
(36:20) False religions and bad religions
(38:00) Pathological belief and atonement
(42:21) Brief and lasting unity
(45:32) Abraham: leaving your comfort
(46:45) Exodus: into the desert
(47:40) Is the animating spirit God or intuition?
(49:01) Faith in… something
(50:00) Socrates, radically humble
(53:02) Jung, self, god within
(56:12) Christ as the logos
(57:59) Richard Dawkins, microcosms
(1:01:15) Anger, collective unconscious
(1:03:05) Hypnosis, deep trance identification
(1:05:34) Organized religion, degeneration
(1:08:04) Wilbur Wilberforce
(1:10:16) God and submission
(1:11:49) Jung, the superordinate identity
(1:14:03) To agree on truth
(1:16:12) To cope with death
(1:18:02) The voice of intuition
(1:23:37) Coherent principles
(1:31:34) Where the left is right
(1:34:17) The death of inherent truth
(1:36:01) Dawkins, intersectional wokeness
(1:39:01) The breaking point
(1:43:12) Cane and Able
(1:45:00) ARC, the time for a positive vision is now
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I went from not caring, on drugs, food stamps, smoking weed, video games for 8-12 hours a day ... To owning an electronics repair shop and controlling my own life.. it started with some random video that told me to clean my room..Thanks for the encouragement Jordan:)
That’s so great! I need that video for so many of the young adults I work with! I don’t have anything against weed, but I think it’s contributing to a lot of the isolation we are seeing. It’s sad. Loneliness can be a killer. Continued prosperity to you and your business!!!!
How the heck did you survive? Were you homeless? You can't pay for rent if you don't work.
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That's awesome dude! It's so easy to have a negative outlook on life. Problems will just keep throwing themselves at you, but if you look at those challenges as character building trials, every hardship becomes an adventure.
It astonishes me that I can listen to Jordon and his guests for an hour and a half and it goes faster than watching a movie. And I don't feel like I just wasted my time.
I REALLY hope Konstantin & Jordan get to talk about Ukraine-Russia war, soon. 🏆
Konstanting & Jordan are exactly the conversation partners that can bring out the best of them both, regarding this topic. ❤
Straighten those shoulders bucko
What matters most is what we do with what we’ve learned mate. More power to you!
I fully agree. All of his interviews are like an invitation to listen to intelligent, well formulated and well informed individuals discussing something, trying to reach and understand truth itself. And we are better for it. Like attending a university lecture, the way they should be.
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I was telling my father all about Jordan’s recent content, in hopes to get him to listen. I was trying to paint a picture of what Jordan was doing and my dad said, “He’s trying to save the world” and that was exactly correct
Wisdom of a parent.
It’s so refreshing to see people actually able to disagree with each other but be open to learning and teaching
That's what the world was like before social media! 😁
Listening to JBP extrapolate and relate to allegory in real-time is so satisfying.
Jordan's wrong we can blame young people for being weak-minded brainwashed little fools I need to shut the hell up do some research and shut their mouth I don't think they should be allowed to vote until you're thirty years old
We can blame young people because they have more access to information than any other generation but they let their self be brainwashed like weak-minded little fools
Even if one is a drug addict Russian agent 🤣
Great to chat, Jordan. Looking forward to having you back on TRIGGERnometry.
Keep up the good work guys. Love the content.
I really liked your speech at that oxford university, were you were complaining about people complaining at universities.
Yeah I really like the bit were you at the university complaining about people complaining at universities.
Very hypocritical of you, very inline with your religious background,
it's not hard to spot were all this woke culture started, now you're woke to the woke, and trying to cancel cancel culture,
what a mess
@@ashelyrudd2194 Trying to return to sanity and a period in history when progressive actually meant progress. If you think the woke, infinite gendered outrage and culture is good for society you’re part of the problem.
@@jackbrooking4754 you sound woke to the woke, stay woke fam
@@ashelyrudd2194 Lol not woke to criticise bad ideas. Talking like he’s being a hypocrite for using a big platform to do just that. Is practically the definition of wokeness love. So stay woke!
Being woke is a set of ideals. A mindset. An attitude. For example critical race theory, LGBTQ, radical feminism, defund the police, outrage culture, cancel culture, victim culture. You either share in those ideals and have that mindset or you don’t there’s no such thing as sounding woke to the woke and saying such just makes you sound dumb.
Konstantin, what impresses me is how you were so cool and eloquent in responding to JP. You're a fantastic example of being born with great potential, developing them to the best of your abilities, and wanting to improve the crazy world we live in. I'm 74 and I just don't recognize what I see in the world today. People like you, Lex Fridman, JP, Douglas Murray, etc. make me feel like I'm not crazy and not alone in the world. We each need to carry responsibility for improving the world each in our own way, even just a little every day.
I stopped recognizing this world around 30 years old approx 2010 back when smart phones took off.
@@user-cw1bp9fj2e That's my estimation as well. Smart Phones, specifically. I'm 36. And saw the dynamic shift in that college age that now floods the work force.
I'm 77 and very glad that the woke culture is being challenged by young conservatives with lucid and coherent arguments.
hahaha, he's chill enough to let his guests free range.
Agree with you, but so often I am entirely alone and silent in this perspective, such as is the proportions of types in my world.
Listening and learning from Dr. Peterson is such a joy. I am deeply grateful.
Life is nothing but meaning making...and thought is just a filter! AS ABOVE SO BELOW.
This is such a master class in thoughtful debate. Thank you!
Dr.Peterson, I’m a 77 y / o woman who is an immigrant and had childhood trauma as a 5 y/sI thank you for your help in examining my life by writing my history. I was shocked and surprised at the grief that was released. This has resulted in a release of anxiety, a happier more productive person. Many thanks. I have sons and agree with you that present society attacks young males. Please continue to stand up to the abusers in the world.
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One reason this is so captivating to listen to is that both of them are listening to each other. They are thoughtfully considering what the other is saying and responding to it directly. So much of what we have been made to listen to is talking points and combativeness. What a refreshing conversation here. They even remembered previous points made by the other person and found ways to give them credit and build upon commonalities. Cohesive and so good!
Yes! People listening to each other has become almost intoxicating to me.
I always find it hard to believe this content is available and free for everyone. The age has some good things
Thought provoking conversations with2 admirable human beings. Thank you gentlemen💙
Konstantin Kisin is a very good interviewer... Thanks for inviting Jordan to the show.
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Poor Konstantin! I still respect them both. But Jordan isn't perfect. It's like trying to go for a drive in the countryside in a dragster.
I was thinking the exact same thing! But I was thinking maybe Jordan views this as a conversation not an interview 😕 I do wish he'd do a more traditional interview, though
I got the same vibe, JP has a tendency to lecture and forgot he's having a conversation. It's just a series of presuppositions followed by a 'is that a fair assessment?'.
Love both these guys but KK might as well not be here :/ Got nothing from him... Which is a shame as he's a very insightful dude.
Thank you Jordan for everything you do. I have followed you for many years from the atheistic or gnostic days until now. I found my faith in the Catholic faith through my wife a couple of years ago and many things make sense. 6 months ago a was diagnosed with terminal cancer 42 years old. I recieved palliativ treatment to extent my life. What then happened was that many people and my wife prayed for me a lot and after five months in x-rays the cancer went back to the extend that the doctors do not see any metastasis anymore. I hope in God this will continue and that I can recover. Still many challenges but everything is in tha hands of the Lord. I only want to encourage you to continue what you do and you a are a great person with a brilliant mind. Keep cuestion everything and put your hope in Jesus! Hugs from Sweden
Yes, and when we realise that we are Catholic, the terrible amputations and deformations to the glorious earthly form of the Bride of Jesus Christ over 500 years of the Protestant vision are unveiled. The unshed tears of grief having abandoned the ancient creed of Christendom, via antiqua. The ridicule of your own culture, your own parents and family since time out of mind burn like caustic. It must be agonising to face.
God isn't real, silly.
Boy, you're gullible, aren't you?? 😂😂
Wonderful to hear! I’m saying a prayer for you and your family ♥
I’m praying for you and your family also❤
Thank you so much, Mr Peterson, for articulating many of the things I have felt symbolically but have been unable to put in to words. These are discussions to be held over the centuries.
Excellent discussion everyone. I´m not even a native speaker, but I can understand everything perfectly. Very inspirational. Thank you both very much.
Morphic fields are not inside us and yet the information is transmitted...
Konstantin's ability to listen is incredible.
For real 😂😂 There’s points in the interview where JP is just talking and talking and he’s still engaged and catching a lot of the points
I thought the same thing. Jordan tends to ramble, though not unproductively and Konstantin was able to pick out the main points and address them. Actually listening is really an underappreciated skill.
I think most sane adults would find it easy to listen to Jordan Peterson- but Konstantin is a well experienced host on his own shows - apologies the show he shares with his friend
I was quite impressed by that too
JP …talking and talking and talking..
Mr Peterson thank you for being you. I am a former addict with multiple years clean. I don't like AA or NA. Or telling a stranger my failures in life. But you have helped me tremendously. Simply just by watching the way you behave and speak. You are a lightning rod. A true national treasure. You can explain things clearly and so specifically. Every time you speak I learn. Thank you so much for that.
I too learn something from Jordan every single time I listen to him. He has helped me to better my myself, my relationships, my life.
@@thunderstruck1078 Daily Wire is very good.
Hey Joe would love to talk to you. I am in Australia. How can I reach out to you?
Good to hear this. We know there are millions out there just like you. Keep up the good fight and become a role model. God bless!
Hey buddy, same. I quit cold turkey.
I'm so happy with this Jordan Peterson's journey through spirituality and Christianity. He's smiling more, and it shows his lighter spirit.
That’s an interesting observation I’ll be looking out for that.
That's funny, I've never heard him proclaim Christ as his Lord and Savior.
@@drewmandan it shows that you know nothing about Dr. Peterson’s faith journey.
@@tatianasouza2361 Fair enough. Show me the clip where he says he accepts Jesus Christ
@@ronin1648 Or maybe he put on the lens of humility after a journey into himself. All philosophers in history have had to face the personal abyss. Peterson is by no means a hypocrite, and throughout his work we see that his personal experiences are the foundation of his philosophy.
In my opinion a philosopher who does not have a string of ethics and principles on which he bases his search for truth is not a philosopher, but a sophist.
I want to know every inch of this structure Jordan has formulated. What a mind blowing, brilliant man.
I think another reason KK's speech was a big hit was because of the high level of passion, verging on anger, in the speech. People respond to compelling speeches where the speaker really means it and really feels it.
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Anger with no uniting reason on display makes u affraid of the individual so yes it was dilivered with a force behind it but the argument also resonated with everyones intuition
This effect is amplified because most leftists don't actually believe their nonsense. It's just a way to challenge the status quo and not actually of any personal meaning beyond that. When you are a parent, you suddenly have a lot more skin in the game.
Lots of Pathos
Guess I need to have a listen to the speech.
I started watching Triggernometry in the depths of the pandemic, and first heard of JP through his interview Order and Chaos in 2021 on their show. Their collective ideas and interviewees have really changed my perspective on life for the better, and it's so exciting to see KK's journey come full circle so that he's now a guest on this show.
What pandemic?
Jordan B Peterson , A great weaver of words ! The world is blessed by his presence…
This conversation floats like butter in my ears. Very smooth. Its like watching a very good movie but with only words❤
butter in my ears... no thank you!
The amount of content that JP is producing is INSANE
The world needs it ❤
And we are in dire need for it!
Too much. He makes too many mistakes
I am grateful for everything he is leading us with in this world today.
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I couldn't agree more
"I'm agnostic, I have no idea what's going on." I felt that statement loud and clear.
What we are seeing is basically proof that Jesus was right. If you are trying to find the evidence of God somewhere out there in the ethos, you are going to be spending a long time failing to see the proof, every time you blink in amazement, trying to rationalize the stars. (because the proof is written on the insides of your eyelids)
The greatest evidence of God is the reality that there is no such thing as atheism, because you either have to believe in an almighty God that exists outsides the boundaries of our Universe, believe the Universe has all the properties of being worshipped as a God in it's own right, or you believe in the God of the Unknown. Which all instantly reduce down to the same thing, because if you worship nature, you are essentially worshiping yourself, but you don't attribute the right creator.
This is what a Satanist believes, and these people are all buying into it. That you shouldn't worship God by loving your neighbor, that you should worship God by loving only yourself, but how can the latter statement be truth and not suffer from the most alarming paradoxical self contradiction ever conceived by Adam?
The most sanitized explanation is that we have been in a never ending holy war since the beginning, trying to proselytize each other to our own shitty religions. When you study to become an entrepreneur, one of the first things you learn makes a great founder is the capability to build a cohesive culture that forms a cult of personality around yourself. This is why companies like Twitter and Apple rise to the top with ease. They are essentially megachurches but instead of their product being feeding the poor, their product is entertaining the rich. Both Jack Dorsey and Steve Jobs spent a long time studying religious philosophy and they stole the ideas that they knew were the only ideas that have ever influenced people to the scale their grandiose, visions required.
I am just saying people on the left don't understand that we all serve a master. They just prefer to serve a master they can touch and speak directly too. Which is funny to me as a Christian, because we essentially believe that too. It's something that makes Christianity exclusively special and stand out when compared to all the other religions of the world. That Jesus essentially ripped off every single religion that existed under the sun to outline his view of the only truth that could possibly exist. That we are apparently the only proof of God we're going to get. (or really, mostly not get)
As a Christian, I pray for you, but religiosity aside, I also found that statement to be hilarious in its honesty. There are a lot of Christians who simply take the name and should admit the same and actually delve into their belief.
@@CHLangley will never understand why atheists/agnostics are not treated with equal respect, by Christians.
It's like we are "the wrong ones" and are somewhat inferior because we weren't born with the faith (funny enough, your faith ends up being exactly the one your parents had and taught you;
If faith was a spontaneous part of being human, shouldn't there be more muslims in christian families or buddists in hindu families?)
For a religion that preaches understanding and charity, it seems extremely hypocritical.
@@CHLangley whenever I hear such a line of thought that somehow being agnostic dismisses any responsibility all i think about is that they will perish for their lack of knowledge and it makes my heart hurt. Let's pray for this commenter and the speaker.
Every time my Catholiban grandmother says “I pray for you.” I always answer: “That’s ok. I think for you.”
Excellent discussion punctuated with a surprising number of vocal "YES!' 's on my part. I am grateful for the welcome exposure to intelligent, thoughtful, and refreshing conversation for a change.
Oh my! Loved the portion of this video I’ve watched so far. I’m 32 minutes in, and these men have helped me to see that the Lutheran doctrine of vocation is the spiritual teaching that we’re needing in this! The sacredness of all the seemingly ordinary things we’re all put here by God to do, from sweeping a floor, caring for children, being faithful, diligent and honest in ALL our work and dealings, this is the purpose of our lives that gives God glory and makes the world a better place! THIS is the teaching, the MEANING, that the Church knows that we all need! The Lutheran doctrine of vocation teaches children the honor, sacredness, and power of being an honest, faithful, loving son, daughter, and brother! And on up to adults, being honest, faithful, diligent, determined servants, managers, workers, spouses, parents, grandparents, neighbors, volunteers, friends, dentists, carpenters, WHATEVER our vocations in life. They have Divine purpose, power, and meaning! Check out the Lutheran doctrine of vocation. As a pastor, I shall diligently, faithfully strive to watch the rest of this video, and do my best with my vocation to teach these things effectively to all. May God help me! Look up Bryan Wolfmueller on CZcams. I’m going to see if he has any videos on vocation. Thank you for the inspiration and brilliant analyses in your videos, Dr. Peterson!
Kisin's oxford union speech was fantastic.
i just want to say that your grasp of definition is simply *Masterful.* xD
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Traveling this week for work, so this is perfect to break up in 3 segments for me while traveling. I love listening to Jordan while driving.👍
I'll tell you when this all started. It started with Barack Hussein Obama. And he doused it with gasoline when he decreed an Exective Order saying men could go into women's locker rooms and bathrooms.
I do too but he relaxes me so much I fall asleep, my narcolepsy not his fault lol
Potentially speaking you should not text while driving, but thank god I am at home so yeah...
Truly enlightening conversation. Looking forward to JP’s next book. Because I too wrestle with God. He really challenges my personal beliefs and that’s what I love so much about him. I could listen to him challenge people’s personal beliefs all day long.
Unfortunately, he didn't do well in this episode. Read my criticism above if why in my opinion he failed.
We can't blame young people because they're weak-minded brainwashed narcissistic fools the have access to all this information and are too lazy to look up both sides of argument shouldn't be allowed to vote until 30
12:26 when you were describing this, I had Jim Morrison's "When the Music's Over" 1967 song pop in my head. Great conversation; thank you for having Konstantin Kisin on your show, Dr. Peterson!
I'm from Kenya, and Dr Peterson you've changed my life by helping me find meaning in my life. I was in a bad place lost all hope until I saw your lectures back in 2018. May God preserve Dr Peterson
Jordan is one of the people I credit with saving my life. If you're reading this and you're in that bad place.. i know how you feel. You must make amends and forgive or at least accept. You must love yourself and others. You must stop doing things that not only don't help you but take you down and others around you.
I love hearing what JBP has to say and I have to hope that Konstantin does too. This wasn't an interview, it was us all listening to an impromptu lecture from the Prof., which is slightly a shame. 🤷🏻♂️
This was awesome, if I thought I could support my children talking to people about this stuff, I would totally do it.
Maybe worth testing your idea. Different groups of people need different types and styles of messenger.
Going to the poorest area of India changed me 20 years ago. Once you have to live in an environment that does not have all the creature comforts of the West, especially universal sanitation, you really gain an enhanced level of appreciation when you get home.
I'm sure one of those is namely that you actually could go home.
Yet when the well to do and “privileged” look for ashrams in India (“Eat Pray Love”), I wonder why they did do see similar in their own land: pain, suffering, hunger in the cities and towns of our developed society (the West)?
This was one of the most interesting podcasts that I have had the privilege to watch and listen to.
One of the most interesting things that came up was Dr Peterson's dip into the cosmos and the collective unconscious. It resonated with me was because according to Indian Yogic culture ( and I am paraphrasing Sadhguru here) while our bodies and minds belong to us it is not us. What is us is the cosmic breath that we inhale and exhale which gives us life. When we stop inhaling this cosmic breath, our bodies and minds cease to exist, but the cosmic breath is still part of the cosmos. At least that's my understanding of life, religion and especially spirituality.
Thank you so much, feels so much better being in this world with you both in it.
When I was Mr. Kisin's age I thought like he did. Now a few years older I have a much deeper faith and understanding of faith (and deep appreciation of the wisdom and beauty of the biblical writings). Mr. Peterson handles this conversation very gently and wisely.
I also once felt like KK, until I realised that intuition inside me was actually the Holy Spirit.
Jordan doesn't usually have this type of conversation with people who aren't a specialist in these more specialized intellectual/spiritual topics. But Konstantin is the perfect person for this as he's really gone deep into a lot of topics. Konstantin, I totally related to your hypnosis experience and your questions about what is God. Forty years ago I went to a 3-day personal development workshop. I learned a) to stop being a victim b) to stop thinking abundance had a limit, and that if you wanted your share just make a bigger pie c) if how you see yourself is significantly different from how others see you, you probably have conflict in your life. The day after the workshop I was outside cutting my lawn. I felt like everything was bright and clearer, and I was in total harmony with the universe. I saw a stranger walking towards my house. He stopped and said "I've been watching the aura around your head since I spotted you. It's getting bigger and bigger the closer I get to you." I told him how I had just taken this workshop and my paradigms had changed. I'm not religious and don't believe in a biblical God, but I've never forgotten this encounter. It was the closest I've ever felt to our all being a part of the same endless spirit/energy that comes from some unknown amazing origin.
Konstantin is a generation younger than Jordan. My prediction is that Konstantin is going to be a very known name soon, like Jordan is now. He has his own unique way of expressing what so many of us see and feel. I agree with him we have to find a more positive way of working with the Woke in creating solutions to the problems we're all facing.
Good comment!
Be careful, the devil is a liar. Go back up Jesus.
During that hypnosis session Konstantin went to, the lady was possessed by a demon.
I see KK operating autistically in his own universe whereas JP is concerned with the Universe.
Right On!
what a formidable conversation.
thoroughly enjoyed it at so many different levels, such that I shall be returning to it again and again, and I have already extracted one excerpt from it, that which I titled _A good place to start if you don't know where to start_
Jordan, Konstantin, that, was a beautiful conversation! First of all, I was gripped by Jordans dissection of Konstantin's agnosticism, I am also agnostic, but I will have to think long and hard before I can refute Jordan's arguments... wow! maybe I can believe, I would like to. Also, Konstantin, your idea of putting forward a posative vision, way forward, that is, guess what? the way forward! Love you both, big time!
What a wonderful interview! Thank you for the conversation. I am one of those young people who don't know what to do in the world. I'm going to go ahead and say that working, going to Church, spending time with other people are all essential to my life. Being deeply religious and repentant (confession being essential) help my guilt over previous sins, and that devoting myself to the choir and to specific activism is essential. Like Dr. Temple Grandin preaches, you gotta focus on something. So even though people will say I'm stuck in my college town, I love this place, the people and God and I think that's enough to get through the crap world.
Thank you JP!
Sweet!
Dr. Peterson, I had the pleasure of seeing you this past weekend, on your tour. I stayed in prayer the entire commute over for your safety, the venues safety, the crowds safety. I am so grateful for you and your wife. My husband is the one who exposed me to you, I suppose its been about 6 years now, and I've been following you ever since. Thank you for saving so many lives and marriages with your work. You practiced and taught for decades before God plucked you out and thrust you into the limelight. Thank you for being a diligent servant and being obedient to His speaking thru you.
"So that we do not become the abyss we have been staring in to". What an outstanding concept. This is by far the best video I've seen in many, many years.
Great discussion and thought provoking. Thank you both. 🙏🌹
Thank you Jordan and thank you Daily Wire for helping Jordan increase the production value of his content by an order of magnitude. Incredible partnership and one that's good for the world.
This man is a true genius and a man blessed by GOD to put human beings in the right path of life.
Are you saying Jordan is the new Jesus? GTFO of here with your popular person worshipping ass.
Well it's your wording but something like that is happening with many wise spiritual figures.
Since covid it's like their mission got revealed and they are bustling to get as much people aware and educated as possible.
Spiritual awakening as never been so wide spread. I hope it'll help makes everybody avoid the worst decisions especially in the high spheres of power.
This was wonderful like a breath of fresh air..There is one love ..That understands many ways.. and we are finding our way there..
Loved this conversation. Learnt so much
Just went to his show last night! He's even BETTER in person! This man's an absolute genius. Great girls night out 👍
We all were hungry and lost looking for reason and justice and we found all in Jordan Peterstone and we give thanks
@@ErinAbou yes! As a college student in Seattle studying environmental science, I really appreciated what he had to say about climate. Much more complicated than just CO2! "If you just boil it down to one thing, then oppose the one thing, then you're the messiah! Well isn't that convenient for you!"😂
@@Evenstar3791 That's a topic I always find amusing when I see it blow up somewhere in some comment section.
It's always very telling how the supposed deniers are the ones who can tear apart and show the details of both the actual real-world bad side and the good sides of environmental issues.
For being supposed deniers, they sure seem to be good at saying, "Yea, X is bad, but there are 25 other letters in the alphabet in play as well and a lot of them are quite good."
@@tcmtech7515 it's so true! Being a scientific field, you'd think it would be encouraged to hypothesize other theories and think critically about the "accepted" theory. Honestly, I'm not sure where I stand on all of it, but the side that shuts down other views has me instantly skeptical. Chances are there's an ulterior motive!
@@Evenstar3791 Pretty much that. I personally have worked in the oil industry and now work in the greater recycling industry and I can say with 100% certainty how each is presented to the world by left are 100% false.
The oil industry is very well run and responsible with what and how they do things. Whereas the real-world recycling industry is a huge top-heavy shit show of bureaucratic scamming and dysfunction.
I'm a tiny 1 person operator and I am now picking up military/local government contracts, not because I am so good at what I do, but because I am honest, reliable and not trying to screw everyone over while doing the least actual work possible.
I don't make excuses for why I can't do XYZ without getting gross payments for silly trivial work.
I just say, "Yes I can do that. No problem. Here are my permits, certifications and proofs of insurance if you need them." and then go do what I am expected to do while smiling like I lost my damn mind because I love what I do and it pays well simply for being even the remotest bit functional. 😁
"You're not depressed. You just have a terrible life." - JBP.... Yes, these words hit close to home.
That's not how that works
Well, what can we do to make it better?
@@MatterMadeMoot It's exactly how that works. Not in all cases of course, but in many.
Amazing!!! Thank you so much for this wonderful discussion... more of this please...
my favourite Jordan Peterson quote of recent "no i dont buy your allah"
Back-to-back brilliance between this episode & Tulsi's. Your podcast is fantastic Dr Peterson!
I just wanted to say thank you! I was losing faith in humanity wondering if there were others who were genuine and genuinely wanted to better man kind. Now I know I’ve discovered at least one and that makes my heart feel whole again
Good interview and also very deep and open.
After listening to this I had my thought and I cannot help but to put it here as a comment:
Jordan explained briefly the story of Moses that people went from the tirany to end up in desert being lost.
And he mentioned that if you have a child and have any sense then you love someone more then yourself and would be able to sacrifice yourself if needed for it, both have agreed to it.
And that instantly made a lot of sense and I agreed to that as well, that concept seemed to be familiar…
Later that day I thought about fatherness and I remembered a scene from Lion king where Mufasa shows Simba their kingdom. Jordan already commented on that scene that here he says that their kingdom is everywhere where sun light touches, it there is also place with shadows, and hyenas live there.
And following the movie we seen that Mufasa is capable of become a monster to fight the hyenas when Simba went there.
And later he did exactly sacrifice himself to safe Simba from stampede.
And then we also see Simba leaving the tirany and end up in desert lost.
And he adopts that narrative of being good as he is just having lazy life in the jungle, that seems is where is world is.
The pivotal scene that gives me goosebumps is where the spirit of Mufasa came to Simba and the message is to “remember who you are”.
So he grows the courage to fight his demons.
So these concepts are familiar to me because I’ve seen a lot of these in movies such as lion king as a kid.
Beautiful conversation, men. Thank you. It seems to me it's natural and easy to become what we love or we become what we hate, whatever we focus on is where we are heading.
This was one of the most engagin exchanges about religion I've seen in a while. Thank you both for a wonderful conversation.
I REALLY hope Konstantin & Jordan get to talk about Ukraine-Russia war, soon. 🏆
Konstanting & Jordan are exactly the conversation partners that can bring out the best of them both, regarding this topic. ❤
I'm sorry but there was near nothing engaging or thought provoking 45mins in...
Very nice guest pick.
Thank You Jordan B Peterson.
Yeah, this guy did an amazing speech at Oxford university were he was complaining about people complaining at universities.
Thank you for this conversation....I'm pretty aligned with Konstantin line of thinking here but I've had many similar conversations with the other side as well but never to this depth thank you Jordan for sharing your furthering of these thoughts that I couldn't quite get to for i don't have as much biblical knowledge....appreciate Konstantin here too following the logos that I'm sure many of us have followed and got stuck at various points with.... beware the way the pendulum swings 🤙
I've been really liking Konstatine more and more and was excited to see him on. I could tell he was a little peeve about the focus on belief in God It's tricky to ponder in good faith what someone believes without sounded like a missionary. I don't think Konstantin was that bothered, except that he really wanted to get to Ukraine which would have been very interesting.
A big thing that Jordan could have pointed out was that Konstantin following his personal intuition without believing it is tied to anything universal is not too far off from the woke concept of "it's my truth". What makes his intuition any more truthful or valuable than the people he disagrees with?? Props to Konstantin though because he got there anyway with the comments in the preview about how if we need a concept of God to even agree on truth than he is open to it.
I just received my copy of 24 Rules for Life; and cannot drop it. I can listen to Dr Peterson 24 x 7. I am a 37 year old man who spent his first 18 years in China and the rest in NZ.
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Good to see you in better health
Great session. While I follow a different religious path - Wicca - I find the perspective Dr. Peterson takes with his view of Christianity has good intentions for people. I found meaning and inner strength from the writings of Odin and the love the Allfather had for his family and his creations. And the love his son Baldur had for humanity caused him spend much time heading the sick and helping the poor. It is a religion that says to be all you can be, learn all you can learn, be strong, be determined, be resilient and self sufficient. It also clearly lets people off the hook for being imperfect because Odin openly admits the god families are not all powerful or perfect in morality. To try and be a force for good is what counts.
I’ve always sorta desired a “guru”, some grand personal teacher and
Mr. Jordan Peterson is the closest I’ve felt to finding it.
More importantly, he’s helped me release that desire or notion that I “needed” such a person to find my most useful, whole and truest spiritual path. The inspiration that comes from various sources such as Peterson, my intuition, nature, love etc has been enough to satisfy that inner need to feel I’m truly on my “right” path. Thank goodness for this video, the people in it, everyone who has shared a comment and given thanks as well! 💜
I saw you last night at your show in Everett, Wa. Thank you for coming, I have been thinking of the things you said. My mom passed away last year, and you made me think of her, how she used to stand up even if it was alone.
Sorry for your loss. I was there last night, as well, and felt encouraged. I lost my Aunt in 2020 and she was someone who knew how to confront others with the truth, out of a loving heart. I agree, it was a blessing to hear that message from Dr. Peterson.
Thank you, sorry to hear about the loss of your aunt. We are lucky to have positive examples in our lives from close family members. I’m glad you got to see him last night, it’s good to take opportunities when possible. It was nice to see so many people there in support of him.
@@Sarah-nc1jb yes! Him and his family have been through so much, too! Good to see so many like-minded people in Washington.
That is exactly what I was thinking while driving there. He and his family have been through so much, and he tries his best, and is sincere. It struck me when he said all those scriptures from the Bible were people. We never know what is possible.
Thanks gentleman . Konstantin is another great voice in the desert of truth.
Margaret, I'm so happy you feel this way about Konstantin. Konstantin is on his way to being very well known. He has a unique, yet plain language way, of saying what needs to be said, plus he knows that our world will only get better with real solutions and working together, rather than just attacking each other.
"The catastrophe of existence"
Hit the nail on the head.
I loved this interview🙏🏽 got so much out of it, I value both of their intellect and energy
Triggernometry is a great channel. Happy to see KK on JBP‘s channel.
I REALLY hope Konstantin & Jordan get to talk about Ukraine-Russia war, soon. 🏆
Konstanting & Jordan are exactly the conversation partners that can bring out the best of them both, regarding this topic. ❤
Konstantin Kisin just keeps yo impress me. He's so eloquent and a deep thinker. He turns out to be a really good sparring partner for Jordan and I hope they will continue to talk in the future.
KK has a strong position as an individual. He just needs to integrate his thinking and his person to open up his brilliance with the rest of the world.
Amazingly answered Konstantin Kisin
Love your way of thinking and expressing your thoughts ❤🙏💪
This conversation brought me to tears
Thank you, Jordan and KK for this beautiful conversation ❤
I absolutely love their conversations together. And Francis too!
This was a particularly rich and practically applied religious discussion free of pretension. Thank you.
@Zs Bacskai who were the 2 atheists you watched? Jordan is no longer atheist fyi
@@zsbacskai7331 Amen!
@@phoenixrising4762 Is he a Bible believing Christian? Not all religions are equal. He's leading people away from belief in Jesus. A lot of false prophets are popping up and CZcams has been quite kind to their accounts, allowing them to amass millions of subscribers. Russell Brand is another. He tells some truths but called for "global governance" and does not promote The Bible.
I am 72 and looking back, I don’t know how I would have gotten through life without the strength I found in God. Faith made my life so much easier even though I had some really tough times in my younger years. After my first divorce I said to God; why me? Some time later I was able to say- I get it and thank God because se life got so much better. Since that time I have learned to trust in God and things will turn out just fine.
Always interesting to listen to both jodan and kk, however I've never found myself yearning to believe / look for "god". I put it down my love and amazement in the natural world and seeing our place within it. We may play terrible role at times within that place but in the bigger scheme of this beautiful mesmerising world, we are simply a cog in a pulsating, forever evolving bundle of atoms.
Our ability to think, speak and seek something we cannot comprehend simply encourages us to create stories to share xx
Not only an excellent topic of discussion but a prime example of communication. Bravo!
(24:26) "The proper way to handle the guilt/humility of blessings is to not squander it, then use what you have to provide opportunities for others"
-Konstantin Kisin
In response to Konstantin Kisin's reasonable doubt: you don't need to look for a tangible faith anymore than you look for liquified or frozen wind; you only have to experience its effects.
Some of which are the wisdom that can be collected, such as the forms the Lord took in various books that Prof. Peterson spoke of.
_Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me_ (Revelation 3)
The world is abundant and you can share its abundance with others. Sadly few believe the former and therefore we covet whatever is "ours". We are at a stage where we have lost faith in ourselves, and the planet (our home). Until we regain our mojo we will continue to wander lonely and frightened.
(1:35:30) This is 1 of Prof. Peterson's weak points-ignorance of basic American history.
Critical Race Theory is 1 to 1 what 'red identity' and the Red Guard was for Cultural Revolution China, translated into the modern West.
It's actual definition is simple and proves it's worthless-ness: _not just talking about race but indoctrinating that race is the central construct of all inequalities_
Which race hustlers take advantage to spread mindless division.
> If true history is to be taught, it wasn't the amorphous "South" that perpetuated slavery, it was the Demokkrats.
At 1 point early on, the Founders almost outlawed the practice but king George III and his government vetoed all of the antislavery laws and this grievance was conveyed in a draft of the Declaration.
@@advocate1563
_Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under *Compulsion, for the Lord loves a cheerful giver_
-2 Corinthians 9
I really like your style. You discuss the most important topics and have an amazing perspective. I am thankful you are in leader ship. I would happily be part of your team of solutions.
This resonated with me because I often feel guilty for being born with a lot of opportunity. My dad recently gave me some of the same advice in this video. You should take what you are given and make the absolute most of it and there is nothing wrong with that.
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Your Dad is a wise man. Self imposed guilt is good for as long as required to change a behaviour that needs changing. Beyond that it's destructive to the soul.
Did it start when you went to college? Question your self, sure, but more so your educators. See that they're not indoctrinators.
If you respect those who worked hard or sacrificed or suffered so that others could have a better world, you have an _obligation_ to make the best of your life.
I used to have this white liberal guilt until I started Buddhist meditation and then it quickly disappeared.
Thanks for talking about the sacrament of confession and how it can help man. Truly God's gift that I pray more people partake.
This is so good. Thank you.The 1:16:53 mark - right there... this is two brilliant minds genuinely working on a question through dialogue, it puts a big smile on my face.
Truth isn't dead, it's just seemingly fractured.
And Kisin helped by doing an amazing speech at Oxford university were he was complaining about people complaining at universities.
Very hypocritical of him, very inline with his religious background,
@Master General only white? Right..
@@planetcaravan2925 ah, but they didn’t say “only.” I love my black brothers and sisters. See, that’s fine.
@@avengemybreath3084 ah, i wasnt talking to you
Wow. Such a poignant, poetic statement. If only it wasn't fucking retarded
Once again, fascinating and informative. Thank you both!
That was invigorating. Thank you gentlemen.
I'm so glad these two got together!
Brilliant conversation! Thank you both so much for what you do.
This conversation changed my life, thank you!
Thank you gentleman for a kind intelligent conversation and your care for women and children. I feel smarter having just listened to this 🤯
I just love how Jordan manages to say everything that I know to be true, and many things I didn’t know, in such an articulate and beautiful manner that I wish I could come up with when trying to explain some of these concepts to people!!
Try poetry friend ...it helps focus your mind & thoughts to express as eloquently as you can keep trying ...at first reading over your first entry may seem silly but if you keep practicing in time it starts cross fading to your speech patterns & organization a little to express & convey what dwells within ...also just reading poetry ...p.b.shelly & dylan thomas are some great masters.
What a delight! My two favourites.
Canada/USA have Jordan and UK, and in particular Scotland, now have Konstantin to counteract the woke, and awaken the zombies! ❤️❤️
yes awaken
Glad that you're here. Thank you for sharing your experience.
Excellent discussion, thank you guys 👍
To see Kissin as a guest on the Peterson podcast. Finally! What a treat.
I love this. Konstantin Kisin, I am an ex-fundamentalist, but still a born again, baptized in Spirit of Love and Truth faith believer in Christ. I don't go to church, but I also some mornings wake up and feel agnostic. Then I pray simple, childlike prayers. And my agnostic clouds part enough for me to enter gratitude and 'the beauty of my existence', which the title came from my daughter who plays instruments, primarily the harp, and has written a song with that name. She is working right now on an album. One of her songs she wrote with an atheist and it is beautiful, "The So Much More That We Are". He and she with opposite beliefs were exploring their differences and found this common ground that is glorious.
Interesting since this used to be normal for people until the Marxist started dividing everyone for profit and to contort elections.
that sounds beautiful actually would love to hear it
What a beautiful gift that your daughter has being able to play the harp!
What an engaging debate on religion. Konstantin made some points that I’ve always had in my mind but could never formulate so eloquently.
This has been, yet another inspirational encounter.. Deep and hopeful :)