Flatbed securing a 42K Steel Coil
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I watched the whole dang video. All 24 minutes of one coil getting secured by one guy, and I enjoyed every second of it. Great video!
+Phillip Stahl Thanks
Yeah me too. Even I'm watching 4 years in the future. Iv been looking for a video like this to watch to where someone does it from start to finish. 👍
@@DaleLClay those chains…were they 5/16” they looked like they were….how many chains did you actually end up using? Putting 2 chains through one pocket? Cuts the WLL of the pocket in half
For me, the 20+ minutes I spent watching this educational video was worth every second! Thanks for taking the time to record and share your work, Dale. Stay Safe and I hope you have a great weekend!
Thanks, it should be good I think.
good job Dale, that dude is not going anywhere! maverick is processing my application !
securing the flatbed load is a work of Art and you are an Artist sir!
You start out playing Euro Truck II, and you really like it. After a while, you start getting interested in all the technical details of trucks and trucking. You start hanging out on trucking forums, reading and learning. And then, some night after a couple of years of Euro Truck & American Truck, you find yourself coming home from the office and watching a 24-minute video showing how to secure a steel coil to a flatbed. And at no point during this video do you ever get bored. In fact, you find yourself asking questions, like: "What was he doing there with the bungee and then that strap of cloth? What are those wood slats that he assembled into a cross?"
And then you thank your lucky stars that you're too old to take up trucking, because damn, that's a lot of work. But the challenge of it really fascinates me at times.
Also: what the hell are those coils? Why do they weigh so much? If each of them is 42K, what is that, 30 million pounds of steel in that warehouse? Crazy. I can't imagine how thick that foundation must be.
Very well put, my compliments Sir
Not all trucking is securing loads. Get a tanker job all you do is set a hose and open valves. Or freight drop and hook trailers if you don't want the responsibility
As a former Maverick driver(2010-2015) I would highly recommend driving for them. They will teach you the right way to secure a load.
Good Video Dale!
Nice job Dale. This is the first time I ever saw u drive your truck. I often Wondered if someone else drove your truck. Keep it up.
Excellent work my friend but I'm tired from just watching you!!! lol Be safe out there!!!
Lol
If you think that was alot of work you're lazy
Morning Dale
My flatbed friend made the mistake of loading 7 coils eye to the sky and the others were to the side. This took him 6 and half hours to strap and tarp. He is 68 years old and it wore him slap out.
I see one major problem with your securement. By regs, when you placed 2 separate chains thru the same stake pocket, the inspectors will count that as 1 point of contact. Multiple chains can not use the same attachment point, and be counted as separate securement devices. So basically, an inspector will count all four chains/binder devices as 2, and will only credit the WLL for devices. If that is 5/16” chain, used as an indirect tie down, you’ll only get credit for 10,800# of WLL. The blocking chain gets you another 5,400#, and another 10,800# for the straps. Granted, you only have to cover 1/2 of the gross weight of the load, or 21,290#, it’s always good to have your total WLL to the gross weight of a coil. The way you attached the chains, by regs, you lost 10,800# of WLL.
Exactly….
When u hook up to only one side if staje pocket u onky get 1/2 WLL on that pocket...stake pockets rated about 5500# two seoarate welds...so if u hook up to one side u only get 1/2...the less wLL device is what they go for as WLL securement
@@josereyes9726 that would be a “direct tie down”, where one anchor point is on the trailer, and the other is on the load (like tying down a bobcat, loader, or lift). What he’s demonstrating is an “indirect tie down”, meaning both ends of the securement device is attached to the trailer. Now, you’re correct that the stake pockets are only rated for 5400 pounds, as are most of the deck mounted chain connectors. But, the round pieces, or spools, between the stake pockets are fully welded, and have a higher WLL. From a securement standpoint, you should never use the stake pockets, or the run rail itself, as an anchor point. While it’s not technically against the regulations, that rail is meant to protect the straps and chains from being damaged. Straps should never, I REPEAT NEVER, be used outside the rub rail, unless the width of the load forces them to the outside.
chain should never go through stake pocket, chain eats those like cheese.
Don’t go thru pockets
You guys definitely go the extra mile great video
Nice technic. Thanks for the tutorial
Damn dale, I love your videos man.
+FindingLuis Thanks
Great demonstration. No wasted effort.
That's the goal. Thanks.
dale all compliments i like flatbed trailers and your videos are the best of everything about them and a great person
+alan akins Thanks Alan
Thanks for the videos keep them coming
Quiet mill !!... nice clip Dale !!
Thanks
Very informative. Wish you would have shown the tarp job as well, but all in all a great video. 2 thumbs up to all your videos and the job that you do editing them.
I will try to include the start to finish process on the rest of my videos
I learned something so this is a good video. Thanks for posting
Your welcome
Nice!
hi Dale,, another great update, hope that your home withy your family this weekend,, have a great peaceful weekend,
Not this weekend, unfortunately with me have a late start (Wednesday) I am out for the weekend.
Thank you for showing us I Laren little bit
The people critiquing your load securement always come off as intelligent and polite. 🙄 Love the videos, keep up the good work.
+Josh Hanna lol
good job borther thats alot of securing to do xD
The more I watch your videos the more I learn. I'm ready for orientation.
You can probably go solo tomorrow ;)
great video. interesting to see the process. thanks.
No problem.
ain't going no where! thankyou nice video ! havent got one that heavy but when it comes around will secure it just like you did it!
:)
Wow, hard work, man. Congratulations from Brazil.
+Zara Tustra Thank you,
Other than the strap hooking, this is a great method! WRAP THAT HOOK!
I would recommend that you put the binders on the rear of the coil. I understand a 42k coil won't fall over but it's a good habit to practice for when you do skinny coils that could
Good job clay,you work very well and it is the way to do it, good video and good week end .
You have a great weekend as well Paul-Andre.
shotgun coils are so much easier and safer in my opinion. i wouldve used 2 sets of x chains, 2 horseshoe chains, 1 trip chain, then 3 or 4 straps over the top. yes it's a bit more work, but i don't mess around with coils. i usually secure them for 100%of the weight. but to each their own, every driver does it different.
i will take the bungee idea from your video and use it. I've always struggled with my edge protection faking off
I recently started using my ratchet binders with this and I have figured out a way to avoid using bungees. It seems to save me some times and helps me set up the chains nicely.
Shotgun is very hard on the trailer as the weight is inside the trailer mainbeams. But most of the time, it's customers preference. I always try to load suicide but it's my trailer, and I tet to not beat it up.
I thought it is rule that you have to secure a load minimum of 100% of the weight.
Well done.
Looking to get a job as a logistics coordinator at a steel plant and I wanted to become more familiar with the loading process.
Thanks again!
+bigtreesfall Your welcome
thanks am thinking of accepting coil loads and you are very helpful.... am glad you showed every step, boring but what I what to know lol
+Neal Perez I am glad I could bore you then lol
I would only suggest a couple of things.
One is to never hook the the end hook of a chain to a stake pocket always hook the chain to itself. It's more secure and damages the trailer less.
Never hook a strap end to the dot rub rail. DOT can sight you for this always run the strap hooks under the trailer deck to a saddle but never hook a strap to the rub rail. I may be wrong on this and you may be OK with running the strap inside the rail and hooking the inside. I used to run western elite trailers that had strap saddles.
You can runt the chain, set the binder and wrap the chain tail around the binder and then run a bungee around the whole thing saves time and also secures the binder better.
I have never ran Coils but I have used allot of chains for securment and that coil definitely looks secure and ain't going nowhere except to your delivery point. Good job and thanks for the video.
These are Maverick procedures, They develope them in compliance with DoT requirements (at the time of filming). Next thing.... I no longer Drive for Maverick or any other company. Good luck in your ventures.
You are professional dude I salute you
I would like to state unequivocally, from someone who has never hauled a coil of anything, that this operation would be vastly safer if the coil were laid flat, with the eye facing up.
I used to haul 45K to 54K coils of the dock in Cleveland Ohio couple times a week.
Good job.
also that is a good idea with the bungies on keeping the chains the correct length when attaching the snap binders, i may have to use that one , instead of the way i do mine now
Ya, without them it can get frustrating real quick.
Wow..That's a lot of chaining but a lot of weight too. Great Video!
Yes sir.
Excellent video on how to secure a shotgun coil, include the tarping mine was always bad, so I went to using coil bags LOL!!!
+Mark Nairn Thanks. Lol
I've been enjoying the videos Dale. I passed my CDL tests yesterday and my recruiter is trying to get me into orientation next weekend. As I told him, your videos were a big part of me making Maverick my first choice. I feel a little familiar with the job already. He said he'd add you to my referrals. I guess you have to split it with the recruiter that came out to our school in Jackson, TN lol.
No problem, thanks for giving my name. I hope you get in the class you want. Welcome to a new adventure in your life. Hope you get along with your instructor. Remember, it get easier every day.
[1:08 am] watches man secure load for 24min. (yes, I watched the whole thing lol)
+EAA95 That takes courage
Head mounted Go Pro! Great!
Yep, I finally put a mount on my hard hat.
Dam that was interesting, thanks.
You're welcome
Hello sir, nice video, very detailed. I use to haul crushed cars and covered wagons and I always was using the lever binders. Just wanted to let you know I think you did a good job. Not that I am anyone LOL!! just a driver like yourself. Safe travels.
+NICK-O Thanks, I appreciate that.
I will definitely refer you thank you Dale
Thanks
Good job
Thank you ❤
very helpful video thank you very much
You're welcome
nice work
Thanks.
This was the one I really wanted to see very interesting great video thanks Dale......Really can not make a mistake with that huge heavy coil.
Your welcome and you're right.
+Dale Clay Roger that. Hope your able to get home this weekend......since this was last weekend you were headed home.....Great job Sir....
+Dale Clay Hey your over 4,000 Subscribers Congrats..... I been watchen you since day one if a long time flat bedder would see you securen your load I am sure they would think you have been at this longer than you have also your back up skills are very good you have come a long ways in a short time and your work ethic is top notch congrats Dale.......
Thanks, every day I gain a little more experience.
yep.. like a boss.. thank you
+Emmett Wilder lol, you're welcome
Dale, that was great, and safe, but a word from an old pro on the other side of the Atlantic. I used to load coils and lots of other stuff back in the 60s and I just had 2 chains and stretchers on a cradle. Never lost one, I suppose you have to go with the modern regs though. One other thing, over here we called them stretchers, binders and sylvesters, amongst other things depending where you came from in the country. Good to see that things don't change in principle though.
David Marker Snr. Thanks.
what the hell is a sylvesrer?
@@BC4150 A sylvester is an over centre tightener for chains. Often used with a length of scaffold tube for extra leverage it makes the chain bar tight and nothing gets away from it if done properly. As I said above, even in a small country like Britain there are many regional variations, in additon to the ones I mentioned above I have just remembered another - dwangs. Whatever you call them though you'd better remember to make sure you can complete the tightening. If you can't and relax carelessly, you might have to kiss goodbye to your face, and a fair chunk of brain matter too. But if you get to that stage, you don't really need a brain anymore. ;-)
@@davidmarkersnr.1888 Interesting, hey thanks for reply. I've done flatbed here in Canada a number of years ago so of course i had one but never heard them called anything but a tightner. One thing i still possess is a nice bar that curves toward the end and narrows as to fit into the hole of the strap tightener, i wonder what that is called out your way (or even here). Thanks again and hope you've got over the queen's death
Well I don't know about that but with your videos it helps. Btw thank you for the videos.
Your welcome
I was proud to be a steel hauler with Steel and Pipe .... How many of you have trained drivers with no sense... ??That amazed me how dumb some people were. I always thought hauling steel was a privilege and was a blast. I loved doing what others in my field could not do. Coils and cold roll... hold on to your ass .... Gr8 video... Loved hauling American Steel Lead Sleds are for idiots...! Can't wait to talk on my old Northstar 3000... Kc to NYC ...or Homestead, Fla. Dam it was a fun journey
We in Europe :) recomend the cradle hight to be aprox 1/3 of the coil radius and angle to be around 37deg. Any way nice job :) be safe .
O.m.g brother you the best excllent job
Thanks
Nice vid.
+25mfd Thanks.
Only thing I might suggest. Is to hook the chains to the rub rail and hook the bungees up like you do to maintain the tension while your are still up on the deck. That would save a climb down, a climb up and a trip around the trailer. It would save a small amount of time and slightly safer because you are reducing the number of times you have to get up on the deck
Always improving, thanks for the suggestions.
Thanks dale I am a maverick I get onboard when I'm done with school and I did put you as a reference hope to meet you one day maverick brother
+Wayne Patterson Thank you sir, I appreciate that
I need to train with a company like this that actually takes the time to properly secure loads. I work for a local, pay-by-load company. The training I received will secure loads just fine but in a very rushed manner. Very minimum on the securement to just get it there quick. Also, your trailer is awesome and not all bent up. Our trailers have smashed-in rails, cracked welds and holes in the decks. Very difficult to even fit a binder hook through the beat up rails. Thanks for sharing the shotgun method. I only know to load suicide style. Drive safe.
You're welcome, be safe out there.
Beautiful securement Mr Clay other than the short strapping, DoT doesn't like seeing that. Your chaining is Bar None-Subbed!
Even though I fold the straps, I passed through both holes the required amount.
thanks fir sharing
+david arias No problem
Saludo señor , desde Venezuela muy buen trabajo , bien asegurada la carga que transporta .
+richard salazar Gracia s
I bet the people that wrap those coils are great at wrapping Christmas presents. LOL.
Lol
+Paul Wicklund But how many Christmas gifts weigh 42k...LOL...
25mfd My kids presents. I wrap boulders in the yard and say....Merry Christmas. Save tons of money every year that way.
Dale Clay lol...Yeah I know right...lol
Nice one Dale. Not long subscribed and enjoying the channel. I know it's not always possible, but these kind of load securement videos are really interesting to watch.
Stay safe,
Andy.....................Scotland.
Dude....SCOTLAND!!! I really need to visit your country.
+Dale Clay Oh I'm sure you'd love our hills and glens, but not in that truck of yours....lol
Nice job overseucring that steel. Most people don't bother to play it safe like you do.
+Jessica Noory Some say I didn't secure it enough.
Dale
Excellent Job
Drive safely , good delivery trip
Carlos Aguirre
Quito Ecuador
South America
20 June 2020
20:00 hours
thumbs up
+Mark Bush Thanks
Dale
I spoke with John in recruiting. if i decided to go with Maverick I will definitely give him your name.
Thanks, I appreciate that. Good luck on your decision.
When ever these coils go into my work their always turned 90 degrees from how you have yours....
Again your videos are great. Being your flatbed and all your loads seem to requrie some type of securing. Maybe consider creating a playlist of all the various securing types. First it would give people a knowledge base to reference when they go to Maverick to train. Plus you could add an icard to your video each time you make a video that might automatically get more videos if they want to see anything about flatbed. Being flatbed seems to pay a bit better than dry van. Hope you made it homoe safe to your family over the weekend.
All great ideas. Be safe out there.
How do we find the working load limits on the aluminum rub rails and stake pockets?
good question. I receieved mine from my company, who purchased the trailers. I would guess there would be data burried online somewhere, perhaps trailer manufacture web sites.
Interesting video Not being a trucker I enjoy watching how things are done. If it took that long to do one, it must take a while if you had three or four.
+Paul Whitear It's about the same. Multiple coils would be smaller and require less securments.
Wow I didn't know that one coil weighed so much. Great work
+Alex Holt Thanks
You should see the divots in the ground they make when they come off in accidents etc..
Puckgrinder85 yeah, several came off going through Birmingham. a car could have fallen through the divots. Happened on main bridge through downtown. Interstate is elevated, had huge hole in it.
here local there was a truck that had 2 19klb. coils in a container(don't know how they were secured) that rolled entering the interstate. it cracked the overpass deck where it hit. as i type this it is still down to 1 lane while repairs are being made. should be back open tomorrow(3rd day).
Excellent video, like usual. Please speak about "short strapping". I've heard others say the DOT requirement is that the straps are to be fed all the way through the winch. Cheers.
+Leigh MacKay It is true. There is a length of strapping required to go through the spool to be wrapped around to meet the DOT requirement. I exceed that minimum length requiement. I have seen loads strapped that do not.
Thanks, Dale. The intent could be to cover off strap slippage in the spool and I agree with you that if you've got sufficient length short strapping shouldn't be an issue. There is a brief discussion on the topic here: www.truckingtruth.com/truckers-forum/Topic-8070/Page-1/flat-bed-short-strapping.
I see no fault in your technique and would do the same.
Thanks for allowing us to "ride along".
Great video! What do you do with the loose chain and strap ends? Do they just ride under the tarp ok? Just curious.
The straps are tucked into the rub rail and tightened into place with itself. The chains stay contained under the tarp.
In NY you have to double the weight of the object with the amount of chains you use. 20k object, use 40k of chain
Daniel Larson pretty sure DOT rules are secure to half the load so 40 thousand pd coil has to be secured to 20 thousand pounds not the other way around
In NY if you're a resident you have to have an endorsement to haul coils in the state... It's still only half the weight of the load to be secured down so 50K needs 25K to be legal.
NO amount of money in the world can justify the amount of work you doing as a TRUCK DRIVER.
where is the fucking DOT to see how tired and exhausted the truck driver can get doing this sort of the thing on top of the hundreds of miles driving daily.
good job and god bless you and I hope they really pay you for all that work.
When loading that much weight in one coil do you center that off the kingpin? so to say is the center of the trailer the best place for that much weight?
+Theyrun Yes in my opinion.
I was also wondering if there was a way to contact you with some in depth questions about Maverick, benefits, etc. Thanks
Dalelclay@gmail.com or message me on my CZcams channel.
wow that brought back some memories :) the biggest coil I had to secure was 48,000 lbs I had everything on my truck holding that bad boy down and it was suicide
+krispykr33m2 I don't like suicide.
Big coils i prefer suicide, sliced coils shotgun. But if they go 65k to 72k than shotgun, since they so long.
You can tell that you are used to working by yourself...been there!
+Superior Signs 👍
Dude this was an awesome video i work for melton i would've had to slap 10 chains on that lol but definitely stealing some of your ways
+Trucker Bam I need to add patreon so folks don't have to steal
+Dale Clay lol good luck with that ill patent your patent
Trucker Bam rofl Touche
actually get a long weekend, got the truck washed, dropped my load of lumber off this morning and no pre plan so i told em that it would not hurt my feelings if i got a long weekend and they let me , my injectors came in thursday for my 300zx 2+2 1990 Nissan , so im hoping to get those in this weekend , we will see, plenum pulls sometimes can be a chore , be safe and have a good weekend
Nice. Opposite for me. Weekend stuck out and someone backed into my truck two nights ago. Next week the video will show what happened.
+Dale Clay on are fleet messages usually two trucks a week or more are backed into a truck stops over night , epidemic it is some days , glad you are okay though
how do you figure out were to put the coil? so as to not be overweight.....how many coils can you haul?
+Ro Sa load from the center out. Up to 50k.
Have you ever had to have your rub rails re-welded or repaired?
+Robert Murillo Nope
Just a question? You said coil is 45K lbs, then 4 chains (approx 5K lbs each) and 2 straps (approx 5k lbs each), total capacity of all these are around 30K lbs. OR i missed something?
Take weight, divide by 8k equals number of securements. Based on 2016 requirements, don't know if that has changed. I stopped driving years ago.
I would have to say job well done !!!! But it’s funny I see guys trying to say u don’t have enough sercurment but I see more that enough . If each chain is rated at 5400lbs x4 chains that’s 21600 lbs of securing now also 2 straps at 5400 lbs so that is 10800 lbs so add that all up that gives u 32400 lbs of tie down. When per dot regulations you are only required to secure for 1/2 of the weight you are hauling at wich he would only need 21000 lbs of tie down
You, unlike many "Super Truckers" that don't understand the rules, have clarified this so easily that minds will explode.
I would be interested in Maverick but they said my criteria of felony was not hireable. Oh well
I have a flat bed company I can work for is I choose to do so and your videos are very helpful in my final decision making.
+Josef Venport Good luck.
Canada we gotta put wire clips on the binders
O.O, seems reasonable
Do those cover deals you put on the coil keep the chain from breaking the coil?
+Jason Gunn If your referring to the edge protection o b the inside of the coil, yes, we use them to protect the product from damage.
Sorry I didn't know what they we're called, I'm just learning as I go, LOL
Jason Gunn No problem, I just wanted to be sure to specify because i wasn't sure what you were referring too. BE safe and good luck.
So, a chain is capably/rated at securing/holding a certain amount/weight?
+Sir Dirtydog Yes
great job....this realy helped
+Anthony Terrell Awesome, be safe
The only wasted movements I seen from Mr proficiency was you made a wasted trip back for your bungee cords initially. I would have given you a A+ but you only get a A. Hey Jenny, tell the securment teachers there at school you may have found a new teacher. So so glad I don't have to do this any longer..lol
Lol and thanks
The only flatbed work I did was with pods . That was fun. Three straps per pod . Easy work great pay .
Nice
have you ever thought about doing a video on how you eat on the road
+kyle shouse Honestly no I haven't.
What do you do with the slacked chains? How do you keep with from making there way to the side of deck?
+Josh Tomagos You can wind them around the binder. Use a bungee to hold it tight. When tarped, the tarp and bungees prevent them from coming out. I have never had a chain migrate either way. They are always right where i left them. But when chaining on the edge I usually use binges to pull the excess tight and to the rub rail. I will try to cover it in a video.
+Dale Clay Yeah I did some training at Melton trucking lines and that is how we done it. I didn't know if you had a different way lol