Hannibal Rasberry It isn't justified by the law, but any human with empathy can understand why she did it. Don't listen to these try hard trying to act like they're morally superior. Imo, psychos like Riddler should be put down.
Charles Jiles I mean we saw in this episode what happens if Batman follows through with his obsession over his moralcode and duty. John becomes your enemy, Tiffany hates you which is also understandable in her current mental condition and you loose Alfred. Like Alfred said: Batman creates the evil he means to destroy. And that is mostly because he values his moral rule above all else. Ep 5 showed it well.
Lucius would also be appalled at his daughter's action and would want to have her turn herself in. I know I would feel like that if my kid ever killed someone. If there's one thing my mother taught me it's not to put up with criminal acts. Hell she called the police on my sister when she stole gum from the gas station. Scared her real good and she's never tried it since.
TJ Chimichanga she doesn’t need redemption. She lashed out against one criminal. Batman does the same shit 24/7 and causes worse collateral damage along the way.
JB Markowicz If you choose not to give in to her way she gets pissy and annoying throughout the story. I get why she lashed out but she's not a character I find easy to forgive.
People say it's hypocritical to mentor her, but prison is meant to be a place of reform. And there's a big difference between Tiffany and people like Bane and Harley. I feel like working with batman would do her far more good than decades in prison would
I chose to be her mentor, because through this entire game i've been doing everything i could to help John be a good man. Essentially i was all like "you can always change who you are, no matter who you were". I just felt like i would be a complete hypocrite if i'd throw Tifanny under the bus. And honestly, after i let Alfred go, i really need someone to help me not kill myself and i'm pretty sure that Arkham's doctors won't let John become my Robin.
yeah but you gotta understand that john was mentally unstable and arkham wasn't gonna do anything for him thats why when john gets out from arkham i would pick to forgive her.
True. I mean. If Tiffany didn't kill Riddler in the first place, there'd be no one to guess for his mysterious death. John wouldn't have gone awol at that rumor that he killed him. John wouldn't have kidnapped Waller, or killed those Agency agents... and he probably wouldn't have turned into the Joker, either. At least, for a little while longer. Dammit. Dammit, Tiffany, for starting this whole thing. Forget the Agency coming to Gotham. The Agency could've stayed. The only reason John snapped was because Waller pinned Riddler's death on him. I'd send Tiffany to justice every time. She's the reason our best friend John turned to the dark side. She needs to be taught a lesson. Considering her dad was fucking Lucius Fox... the man who worked at Batman's side... she should have known better. She should have known that nothing justifies murder. But she went ahead and did it anyway. Puh. Like a 20-something-year-old novice is any threat to Batman. Can't even get her own voicebox to work right.
Actually if you think about it if it wasn't for Tiffany killing Riddler everything would have happened progressed much faster and the agency and Batman would not be as well if you want me to go into more detail as to why I can
As someone who tried to make joker a hero (and was still his friend to the very end), it would've been hypocritical of me to demonize her. Everybody can be saved in my opinion and deserve a chance at redemption.
Angel Perez There are different options. This is another video about Tiffany ending when Batman try to stop here from escaping Gotham. czcams.com/video/hU8zMMk1EvU/video.html&lc=Ugx0ylrg6rU9xTJzZXh4AaABAg
It is an interesting end for her character for the season. I suspected she might have killed someone after she was suggesting those bat-guns in the last episode. However i didn't think she killed the Riddler. Though in the end, my Batman forgave her for it because i believe that is something Bruce would do. After all, Batman has allowed the Red Hood out on the streets after all his kills.
Sorry. Even though murder is wrong, It just doesn’t feel right to put Tiffany away like a common criminal. Bruce promised Lucius that he’d take care of her. Tiffany’s known Bruce almost as long as she’s known her dad. The mentor option is canon for me.
Batman doesn't kill, you kill, your done. I'd toss her in jail, you don't kill just for revenge, that makes you just as bad as the criminals .... Her being a fugitive is canon for me.
It’s unserstandalbe why she did, Batman should at least understand that as well. But killing is still wrong no matter what, not to mention it has consquences. Tiffany revenge caused so much problems for Batman and the Agency, so many people died because they didn’t capture the Pact. What I hate about Tiffany, she won’t take responsibility for what she did and what she caused. Yeah I’d put her in jail.
LectricSigma(Σ) Lucius wouldn't want her to be a killer and Bruce knows that and his no killing rule wouldn't allow him to just forgive her and take her to work for Batman. The best choice is staying quite cause Batman is obviously against what Tiffany did and would want her to face justice, but Bruce on the other hand wouldn't treat Tiffany just like any other criminal forcing his friend's daughter go to jail, because he knows that she is not dangerous and only made a mistake for revenge, so he gives her the opportunity to decide to do the right thing facing justice by herself instead of trying to arrest her with brute force. When he sees that she prefers to run away he is clearly disappointed again from her but for this time he still gives her the opportunity to escape.
This game game had so many impossibly difficult choices to make, think I had several of them expire because I just couldn't make up my mind in time. I wish half of these big franchise games had half as much creativity as this one.
I chose to mentor her for a number of reasons: 1) Batman needs more Allie’s with, especially with Lucius dead and Alfred retired. 2) one of Lucius fox’s last requests was to being Tiffany into the fold, so I feel this is honoring his dying wish. 3) mentoring Tiffany gives Bruce the opportunity to lead her down a more moral path, at least she seems more willing to learn from her mistakes joker was.
I really don't understand why people chose to mentor her. Her reasoning was literally: "I didnt like him and he'd probably escape justice" Very similair to John's reasoning to kill waller. And I think they did that on purpose, to see if you would learn from your mistake (If you chose Vigilante John that is). Even if you mentor her she's still a murderer and will probably try to kill the next Criminal that crosses her. I feel like this episode (Vigilante specifically) was trying to teach you that you cant make exceptions for people just because they have a convincing story and are your friend. Also: Tiffany is a Teenager who killed a Homicidal maniac/terrorist, responsible for killing dozens of people including her own father. In a courtroom setting I highly doubt any Jury would find her guilty out of sympathy.
No, you're wrong. In the post credits scene, John actually felt remorse and still had the picture of Bruce/Batman. Bruce did get through him and prevented an life-long enemy. Tiffany's situation is no different. We make exceptions for this reason.
Got to admit, I never thought about she was the one who killed Riddler, it was one of the most shocking twists... When I was given the option to mentor her or let her face justice I chose to let her face justice. Ideologically Batman won't mentor a murderer and I wouldn't also if I was in his shoes theoretically.
I think the episode was teaching you that the line between right and wrong is really grey. Its hard to know when there should be exceptions and it depends alot on the person. I think you highly misjudge Tiffany, Riddler killed her father and crippled her family mentally. She had a personal vendetta against him, but that doesn't mean she'd kill any criminal especially since she's on team batman now. Also its incredibly fucked up that Bruce ruins his friends memory by sending his daughter to jail like that.
jr5687 You make a pretty good point. I might re play to say yes. I just feel wrong for it because she killed a man who was bound and on his knees, that's pretty fucked
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The best ending is mentoring her, and I remember in one comic storyline, recent like New 52 she’s supposed to be a member of The Legion of Batgirls along with Cassandra Cain and Stephanie Brown, and their leader to no surprise is Barbara Gordon
I choose to mentor her because I got the villain path Bruce pushed John away when he needed him most and after seeing what he became he decided to help Tiffany instead of putting her away to stop her from potentially becoming like joker
Isn't this supposed to mirror the jokers transformation? If you try to turn her in she becomes a criminal instead of facing justice like you say. If not she becomes a vigilante beside you.
Well of course it was wrong but it was understandable and she killed a killer. Also, her father had the voice of Lee from the Walking Dead games so I felt like I was dealing with Lee's daughter😂
I'm not sure if I was the only one but this reminded me of the situation with Damian Wayne. He also killed people but Batman chose to help him train without killing.
Oh poor Tiffany...of course I'd mentor her. She's a child that's lost her way. Girl obviously needs guidance and help and I doubt a jail cell would give that to her lol it's a no brainer xD
Mikhail Crawford she was like that because she thought Bruce was a criminal and his dirty business got her father killed, that's why it was better to tell her the truth.
All of you hating on Tiffany and her killing I just want to remind you that your fan favorites like Jason Todd/ Red Hood and Damian Wayne have killed before and are still in the Bat Family. Just let that sink in and cool tf out.
I think Bruce's whole no killing rule is because he believes anyone can be redeemed - so when offered a chance to redeem Tiffany I took it - and the way Bats phrases it as "serving a sentence" I think really helps justify it and makes it a redemption rather than a "well I'll let murder off the hook this once"
Deadshot already appeared in this universe in the tie-in comic working with Black Spider to murder members of the Arkham Asylum staff and to get revenge on the crimes Thomas Wayne committed. I'm honestly disappointed the two weren't in this season seeing as how Amanda Waller basically created the Suicide Squad this episode and would've been perfect for Deadshot and Black Spider to appear in and would also connect the tie-in comic to the game.
Shaymus Byrne lol yeah I thought you might mean that, however even as red hood john/jack never really used long range weapon except for pistols obviously. It's not really his style, he prefers up close and personal
Don’t get me wrong, I would totally go for the mentor thing but I wonder if telltale makes a season 3 and continues this, I wonder how tiff would be introduced as a villain, hmm
The Ouchiegiver John is a serial killer of innocent people, as well as criminals. He and Tiffany aren’t even remotely comparable unless you count all kills as the same. And if that’s the case, Batman is a killer because of all the people that died because of him. Tiffany killed a wanted terrorist whom the police were likely ordered to shoot on sight, which is legal depending on the circumstances in some states (such as: the Riddler is fighting a vigilante and killing people nearby). The only thing wrong about it was that she plotted it out in secret and interfered with the Agency’s investigation, and even they abused their federal jurisdiction by not properly informing the police what was going on and were criminals themselves.
I told her you dumb af to kill someone yknow classic tough love Batman but I gave her a second chance bc if he gave Damien and Red hood a chance she could get one too
The point of Batman is that nobody is above the law. This scence is build to show how the player can be a hypocrite. They turn on Joker because "he is a bad guy" and they will mentor Tiffany because "she isn't a bad guy". But the two are on the same level. Iam sure Tiffany will kill in self defense in the same way as Joker did. But you can go the other way here as well. Trying to pull a murderer to the good side, just like with Joker
TheTSense that's not the same. Joker was insane, like he showed multiple times he wasn't able to control his violent side, he tried to kill a defenseless Bane, he blow up the gcpd killing 8 people and injuring other 11 just to kidnap Waller, he wasn't able to follow Batman's code despite him having told him that killing is wrong, and thought that Waller deserved to die for her crimes, he tried to kill waller, Tiffany and Batman himself and slaughtered three agents and laughed at it. Tiffany was just a young girl who killed out for revenge, she won't kill innocent people to achieve her goals and since she isn't insane she can actually learn from Batman and become a better person under his guidance instead, while John just can't like even he says.
Batman: You need to face justice Tiffany. Me: Dude, look at her. Do you honestly believe a girl with her statue would survive in prison?! They'll break her in 5 minutes!
It makes more sense for Batman to make her face justice. By not doing that, he’s abandoning everything he stands for. He is supposed to bring justice to everyone who has done wrong. Even to those he cared for. Why she killed Riddler doesn’t matter. There is always a price to taking a life and she has to pay it.
Eddy Charles man you really don't know Batman at all do you if he did things that way he would be creating even worse monsters seriously just think about that. Batman knows when someone needs to be saved and when someone needs to be punished your logic is tiffany should be punished because she killed not taught why that's wrong not given a second chance to redeem herself? So I'm assuming you live in a black and white world where every choice is obvious?
Eddy Charles If you choose to mentor her though, Batman doesn't simply fogive her and let her off the hook for what she did, he simply decides that she is not just like any other criminal, she is just a young girl who made a mistake so he feels that with her father gone it's his job to teach her what is right and what is wrong now (like he said). Under his guidance she can redeem herself and never do the same mistakes again.
God, if batman strictly adhered to his moral code, he'd create way more monsters to face on the streets. People don't understand that Bruce is an understanding person and that there is no clear definition of right and wrong.
Pineapple Person, Batman in the comics has always had a black and white world view whenever it comes to being a hero whereas an anti-hero like Red Hood does kill criminals in self defense.
I just choose to mentor her cause of her dad. I dont like Tiffany i just think her dad would like it and her dad would want to see her in Wayne Enterprises.
I cannot avoid to link her to a troubled robin rather to a batgirl. I am willing to give ehr a second chance for the reason that Bruce is willing to give Jason a second chance (or what passes for a second chance) when he becomes Red Hood
I didn’t know she’d run if you tell her you’d turn her in. That kind of pisses me off since she planned to do it from the beginning seeing as she sabotaged your grapple gun, I thought she was better than that
So almost everyone ignores the fact that her murdering Riddler most probably prevented tons of deaths in the future? Riddler would've find a way out of prison again. He did it before and is a genius. Also it's not like she's happy about what she did. She wants to change if you show empathy towards her. Tiffany is a young girl that just lost her father. She probably suffered from depression, so saying "well she doesn't have any mental issues unlike John" is not completely right. The argument "well she would be fine with killing criminals she faces in the future too" is also not really thought through. She killed Riddler because he got her father killed. It's as personal and emotional as it can get. You can't compare that to a criminal who kills or threatens strangers. You would act way less emotional there. Also I bet 80% of you guys would do the exact same thing in Tiffany's situation if you would be able to in a way like she did with her drone. Especially when the murderer was someone like Riddler who would most probably walk out of his prison a few days later after he was captured anyway. Everyone would drive that thought crazy, to think that the person who just killed your loved father would walk around free because he's too smart to capture long. To quote Alfred in the end of ep 5: "Everything has become so grey now" The whole point of the enemy within was to show that there is no right or wrong when it comes to justice. Only different perspectives. But what most certainly is clear is that Tiffany is a young and broken girl. I see literally no point in rejecting her. Unless you want to value a questionable moralcode above empathy of course.
Yes I do ignore it, batman doesn't kill. It's one rule he'd had forever, if she wanted to be his sidekick, she should have been open and told him they, but she didn't, she lied so he wouldn't know, I know Lucius would have frowned upon hearing that his daughter killed someone and she deserves to beat the weight of what she did... In jail.... Lucius wouldn't have agreed with her and he was her father.... Batman doesn't kill, end of story.
Green Guy ....but she was happy she did it. She states she felt better about doing it. Batman didn't go after the man who killed his parents once he got older. It's about a code, it doesn't make sense we forgive her, but not John.
Batman is a hypocrite because he does everything out of revenge too. He became Batman to take revenge on people like that dude who killed his parents. Alfred explains it pretty well in the end. It's an obsession and a crusade. So yeah, blaming a person because she acted 1 time out of revenge is stupid if your whole identity revolves around your own crusade of justice.
Theirs a difference between doing things your way and doing something for revenge, batman isn't a hypocrite, he's doing everything he can to save everyone and he can't... Tiffany murdered Riddler for revenge, once you kill, your no better then the people who you fight... Don't blame batman, blame that fact that he's pushed to he limit everyday.
For those who would have chosen you should serve sentence,you have slowly turned tiffany to a joker,at this point batman is no more than a idiotic moron who couldn't fit both in his and tiffany shoes,since in both cases their father have been murdered,if Alfred wasn't there by side,for sure Bruce would have killed Joe chill and would have been a just another criminal of Gotham.Same applies to tiffany with only exception,there is no one by her side except for Bruce!
I like how she gets pissy if Batman goes against her and her actions. Like a child having a temper tantrum if his mommy does believe his excuses. "But he was picking on me!" If you dont take her side she gets all angry and has a temper tantrum
Were there more scenes? In my version she only showed up on Waller's side with a collar, I fought her, got wounded and she dragged me to the batmobile and that was it
Riddler is one of my all time favourite villains so I definitely wanted to make her pay for it And telltale being telltale just ruins everything with their no consequence style gameplay
This season? Silent Wayne will have his brains blown out by Harley in episode 2 if he doesn't say anything to her during their first meeting. This episode? At least in the Villain story, if you don't say anything to stop Harley from detonating a gas bomb, you'll die.
Anyone else think batman's moral code is completely stupid. Imagine if he strictly adhered to it. How many monsters he'd create. How many people would despise him. This part with Tiffany really shows that there really is no definitive line between right and wrong. Bruce is understanding and personally I think it IS better to have dangerous psychopaths killed. Look at riddler who HAS killed dozens of innocents and HAS escaped from prison many times before. It's better to put him down than let him face a cell he'll escape from just to go and eventually take more innocent lives.
Pineapple Person, Batman’s methods might be stupid to some people like Red Hood, but he has always has the no killing rule ever since the comic book code of authority was made.
ashley kay It depend on how you done things since episode 1. If she know you are Batman and in episode 4 you tell her to do not join the agency, you will get this scene.
I really love this game. When it was time to tell her Batman is Bruce, I did not want to tell her because I didn't trust her. For this particular video though, why would I become her mentor when she murdered Riddler out of revenge. Bruce did not use what he learned to take vengeance on the individual who took his parents. For her to say, I thought you'll understand because of my father and the relationship you both have, is contradicting and goes against everything that is what the Batman symbol is. Of course Bruce knows the need for vengeance , more then anyone. Fox also knows that helping Bruce will bring justice to Gotham. If he found out that she killed Riddler, then he would understand the criminal decision more then anyone. If she wanted to be like Bruce or Batman than she must have to know how much self control there must be in order to do this. Therefore, my decision was clear. She is a criminal.
Jesus I'm just gonna choose to stay quiet and not answer. She killed the Riddler, she needs to face justice at some point, but then again, she's part of my family. I'm just going for 3 option... no response....
I don't feel bad for putting her in jail because her reaction is to run from the law, showing she hasn't changed. And she's a criminal and all are equal under the law.
Corvo, you mean regardless of the path Joker takes? I mean Enemy/Vigilante. Because i remember clearly he killed three agents in ACE Chemicals in the V path, not to mention the agents in the fun house.
Carter Vance he killed 14 people in the vigilante's route (the news say that when he blew the GCPD up 8 people got killed and 11 to 13 got injured) he also killed three agents in episode 4 for self defense and slaughtered other three agents in episode 5 when he went absolutely mad, he also accidentally almost killed Batman and tried to kill him later when he stopped him from killing Waller and Tiffany. Ironically in villain's route the Joker did less killings, since he killed only four guys personally, the three agents in ep 4 and one of his thugs in ep 5. He also killed countless persons around the city and in Wayne Enterprises with the gas bombs, true but that was Harley Quinn's plan not his, he only wanted to kidnap Bruce.
So we can let her off the hook but not my boy John. WTF TELLTALE!
Jay Dude John killed.....alot of people. Like....alot. Tiffany's anger is justified. Shes a kid who had her father snatched away from her.
Diamond Beau hm?
Diamond Beau I think it is. Her family was destroyed because of what Riddler did. Her pain, anger, rage. It is very justified.
Hannibal Rasberry It isn't justified by the law, but any human with empathy can understand why she did it.
Don't listen to these try hard trying to act like they're morally superior. Imo, psychos like Riddler should be put down.
Charles Jiles I mean we saw in this episode what happens if Batman follows through with his obsession over his moralcode and duty. John becomes your enemy, Tiffany hates you which is also understandable in her current mental condition and you loose Alfred. Like Alfred said: Batman creates the evil he means to destroy. And that is mostly because he values his moral rule above all else. Ep 5 showed it well.
I chose to mentor her because I felt that her father's death is partly Bruce's fault, so he would feel responsible for how Tiffany ended up.
Lucius would also be appalled at his daughter's action and would want to have her turn herself in. I know I would feel like that if my kid ever killed someone. If there's one thing my mother taught me it's not to put up with criminal acts. Hell she called the police on my sister when she stole gum from the gas station. Scared her real good and she's never tried it since.
@@leoncoben6983 I'd argue that calling the police on your kid for theft of gum is about 20 steps past the reasonable response.
I chose to mentor her cause I knew she wasn’t too far gone to be unredeemable
"Oh I'm sorry" she says like that redeems her as she runs away for actual responsibillity.
TJ Chimichanga she doesn’t need redemption. She lashed out against one criminal. Batman does the same shit 24/7 and causes worse collateral damage along the way.
JB Markowicz If you choose not to give in to her way she gets pissy and annoying throughout the story. I get why she lashed out but she's not a character I find easy to forgive.
TJ Chimichanga that’s understandable.
@@jbmarkowicz9209 😂😂 nah fr thou
People say it's hypocritical to mentor her, but prison is meant to be a place of reform. And there's a big difference between Tiffany and people like Bane and Harley. I feel like working with batman would do her far more good than decades in prison would
Amen
He also gave Jason Todd, a former Robin who killed a lot of people, a second chance.
I chose to be her mentor, because through this entire game i've been doing everything i could to help John be a good man. Essentially i was all like "you can always change who you are, no matter who you were". I just felt like i would be a complete hypocrite if i'd throw Tifanny under the bus. And honestly, after i let Alfred go, i really need someone to help me not kill myself and i'm pretty sure that Arkham's doctors won't let John become my Robin.
yeah but you gotta understand that john was mentally unstable and arkham wasn't gonna do anything for him thats why when john gets out from arkham i would pick to forgive her.
Low-key tiffany killing riddler set everything up the way it did. Think about it.
True.
I mean. If Tiffany didn't kill Riddler in the first place, there'd be no one to guess for his mysterious death. John wouldn't have gone awol at that rumor that he killed him. John wouldn't have kidnapped Waller, or killed those Agency agents... and he probably wouldn't have turned into the Joker, either. At least, for a little while longer.
Dammit.
Dammit, Tiffany, for starting this whole thing. Forget the Agency coming to Gotham. The Agency could've stayed. The only reason John snapped was because Waller pinned Riddler's death on him.
I'd send Tiffany to justice every time. She's the reason our best friend John turned to the dark side. She needs to be taught a lesson. Considering her dad was fucking Lucius Fox... the man who worked at Batman's side... she should have known better.
She should have known that nothing justifies murder. But she went ahead and did it anyway.
Puh. Like a 20-something-year-old novice is any threat to Batman. Can't even get her own voicebox to work right.
Actually if you think about it if it wasn't for Tiffany killing Riddler everything would have happened progressed much faster and the agency and Batman would not be as well if you want me to go into more detail as to why I can
@@Whimsy3692 also you can justify murder
@@Whimsy3692 dang, violating on that last part ngl
Well, not everything…
As someone who tried to make joker a hero (and was still his friend to the very end), it would've been hypocritical of me to demonize her. Everybody can be saved in my opinion and deserve a chance at redemption.
Xena So You Didn't learn the lesson from john
Nextwhowantstodie step forward you can't expect someone to change overnight especially if there as fucked up as John.
Xena you can't make John(Joker) a hero it is out of his character.
Even though it would go completely against the comics, I would love to see her become the new Batgirl, also I have up Alfred
Well she is closer from bluebird than batgirl . ( or a mix )
Stormbringer she might actually be this universes batwing, or something
maybe , I didn't thought about batwing .
Joel Figueredo She's more likely Robin
With how tech savvy she is, I'd say she could be Oracle (this universe's Gordon hasn't mentioned him having a daughter once).
I just had Waller arrest her and it said her story ended
Angel Perez There are different options. This is another video about Tiffany ending when Batman try to stop here from escaping Gotham. czcams.com/video/hU8zMMk1EvU/video.html&lc=Ugx0ylrg6rU9xTJzZXh4AaABAg
It is an interesting end for her character for the season. I suspected she might have killed someone after she was suggesting those bat-guns in the last episode. However i didn't think she killed the Riddler. Though in the end, my Batman forgave her for it because i believe that is something Bruce would do. After all, Batman has allowed the Red Hood out on the streets after all his kills.
damien, his own son, as well
Very true.
Sorry. Even though murder is wrong, It just doesn’t feel right to put Tiffany away like a common criminal. Bruce promised Lucius that he’d take care of her. Tiffany’s known Bruce almost as long as she’s known her dad. The mentor option is canon for me.
Batman doesn't kill, you kill, your done. I'd toss her in jail, you don't kill just for revenge, that makes you just as bad as the criminals .... Her being a fugitive is canon for me.
It’s unserstandalbe why she did, Batman should at least understand that as well. But killing is still wrong no matter what, not to mention it has consquences. Tiffany revenge caused so much problems for Batman and the Agency, so many people died because they didn’t capture the Pact.
What I hate about Tiffany, she won’t take responsibility for what she did and what she caused. Yeah I’d put her in jail.
LectricSigma(Σ) Lucius wouldn't want her to be a killer and Bruce knows that and his no killing rule wouldn't allow him to just forgive her and take her to work for Batman. The best choice is staying quite cause Batman is obviously against what Tiffany did and would want her to face justice, but Bruce on the other hand wouldn't treat Tiffany just like any other criminal forcing his friend's daughter go to jail, because he knows that she is not dangerous and only made a mistake for revenge, so he gives her the opportunity to decide to do the right thing facing justice by herself instead of trying to arrest her with brute force. When he sees that she prefers to run away he is clearly disappointed again from her but for this time he still gives her the opportunity to escape.
Agreed.
Bruce should teach her the better path so she won't do it again. If Jason Todd can somewhat be in the Bat-Family then why not.
This game game had so many impossibly difficult choices to make, think I had several of them expire because I just couldn't make up my mind in time. I wish half of these big franchise games had half as much creativity as this one.
I chose to mentor her for a number of reasons: 1) Batman needs more Allie’s with, especially with Lucius dead and Alfred retired. 2) one of Lucius fox’s last requests was to being Tiffany into the fold, so I feel this is honoring his dying wish. 3) mentoring Tiffany gives Bruce the opportunity to lead her down a more moral path, at least she seems more willing to learn from her mistakes joker was.
I really don't understand why people chose to mentor her. Her reasoning was literally: "I didnt like him and he'd probably escape justice" Very similair to John's reasoning to kill waller. And I think they did that on purpose, to see if you would learn from your mistake (If you chose Vigilante John that is). Even if you mentor her she's still a murderer and will probably try to kill the next Criminal that crosses her. I feel like this episode (Vigilante specifically) was trying to teach you that you cant make exceptions for people just because they have a convincing story and are your friend.
Also: Tiffany is a Teenager who killed a Homicidal maniac/terrorist, responsible for killing dozens of people including her own father. In a courtroom setting I highly doubt any Jury would find her guilty out of sympathy.
No, you're wrong. In the post credits scene, John actually felt remorse and still had the picture of Bruce/Batman. Bruce did get through him and prevented an life-long enemy. Tiffany's situation is no different. We make exceptions for this reason.
Thomas Adams Her reasoning was that the Riddler killed her father and she wanted revenge for it, though
Got to admit, I never thought about she was the one who killed Riddler, it was one of the most shocking twists... When I was given the option to mentor her or let her face justice I chose to let her face justice. Ideologically Batman won't mentor a murderer and I wouldn't also if I was in his shoes theoretically.
I think the episode was teaching you that the line between right and wrong is really grey. Its hard to know when there should be exceptions and it depends alot on the person. I think you highly misjudge Tiffany, Riddler killed her father and crippled her family mentally. She had a personal vendetta against him, but that doesn't mean she'd kill any criminal especially since she's on team batman now. Also its incredibly fucked up that Bruce ruins his friends memory by sending his daughter to jail like that.
jr5687 You make a pretty good point. I might re play to say yes. I just feel wrong for it because she killed a man who was bound and on his knees, that's pretty fucked
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Nice video :)
AskillZ Thank you :)
The best ending is mentoring her, and I remember in one comic storyline, recent like New 52 she’s supposed to be a member of The Legion of Batgirls along with Cassandra Cain and Stephanie Brown, and their leader to no surprise is Barbara Gordon
I choose to mentor her because I got the villain path Bruce pushed John away when he needed him most and after seeing what he became he decided to help Tiffany instead of putting her away to stop her from potentially becoming like joker
She deserved to face justice
Since she was a snake
And tried to get Bruce arrested
Dr. OofX, I actually feel the same way as you do.
Same
That was before she knew he was Batman tho. I wouldn’t blame her
For ending 2:Bruce really needs to stop having gear that can be disabled by enemies. Like, seriously? His damn grapple is digital?
Probably to prevent it from being used if it's stolen.
Isn't this supposed to mirror the jokers transformation? If you try to turn her in she becomes a criminal instead of facing justice like you say. If not she becomes a vigilante beside you.
@Malaska :D he's saying like John Doe
Well of course it was wrong but it was understandable and she killed a killer. Also, her father had the voice of Lee from the Walking Dead games so I felt like I was dealing with Lee's daughter😂
If you kill a killer the number of killers in the world stays the same
@@crimson5pider no? Killing a killer is justice
@@lonewolf9578 you just don't get the reference
@@crimson5pider If I kill a killer
And then kill myself
Then the number reduces
@@JimmySpace69 Your logic is foolproof
I'm not sure if I was the only one but this reminded me of the situation with Damian Wayne. He also killed people but Batman chose to help him train without killing.
Oh poor Tiffany...of course I'd mentor her. She's a child that's lost her way. Girl obviously needs guidance and help and I doubt a jail cell would give that to her lol it's a no brainer xD
In The New 52's Future's End continuity, Tiffany becomes Barbara Gordon's successor as Batgirl.
That’s my opinion as well after watching the entire playthrough as well~
She is like any other criminal...she escapes 😠
really didnt lik tiffany..she seemed irrationable, untrustworthly, and a hypocrite. im surprised tht most ppl choose to tell her tht bruce is batman
Mikhail Crawford she was like that because she thought Bruce was a criminal and his dirty business got her father killed, that's why it was better to tell her the truth.
I would definitely go for the mentor thing! Because I felt really bad for Tiffany
All of you hating on Tiffany and her killing I just want to remind you that your fan favorites like Jason Todd/ Red Hood and Damian Wayne have killed before and are still in the Bat Family. Just let that sink in and cool tf out.
It really be like tho I like tiffany as she only human pissed off that her dad was killed I respect her.
Ok but who asked
Right, I love Tiffany
@@michakoniecpolski5677 I asked
😂😂 FR FR
Hey what do you know silence is actually a viable option
We can tell you put a lot of work into these videos! They’re great keep it up
DPunkGameGuides :)
I think Bruce's whole no killing rule is because he believes anyone can be redeemed - so when offered a chance to redeem Tiffany I took it - and the way Bats phrases it as "serving a sentence" I think really helps justify it and makes it a redemption rather than a "well I'll let murder off the hook this once"
Man you have been working hard. I hope you have a good break after uploading all of these! :)
Xtrullz To be honest I am exhausted lol.
BabyZone I bet you are. You deserve a break :)
BabyZone you earn it for doing this and I loved the Criminal Tiffany like wow
Xtrullz Soon :). Still are many scenes to finish
Curlyheqd_ Johnjohn :)
Who else thought it was deadshot who killed riddler
Isaiah Diaz right I was hoping him and slade will make it into the game at some point
Deadshot already appeared in this universe in the tie-in comic working with Black Spider to murder members of the Arkham Asylum staff and to get revenge on the crimes Thomas Wayne committed. I'm honestly disappointed the two weren't in this season seeing as how Amanda Waller basically created the Suicide Squad this episode and would've been perfect for Deadshot and Black Spider to appear in and would also connect the tie-in comic to the game.
Shaymus Byrne I dont understand how, he hasn't even met dick yet.
Shaymus Byrne lol yeah I thought you might mean that, however even as red hood john/jack never really used long range weapon except for pistols obviously. It's not really his style, he prefers up close and personal
Isaiah Diaz I thought it was John till episode 5...
Don’t get me wrong, I would totally go for the mentor thing but I wonder if telltale makes a season 3 and continues this, I wonder how tiff would be introduced as a villain, hmm
4:16 did she just say "I pwomise" uwu
Poor Tiffany. She did nothing wrong. Just killed a villain. It's completely normal thing.
Thats a good ending. But you should have be with Tiffany as a team. But this is awesome! I give like!
Diamond Beau dont call me idiot! And one last thing: SHUT THE HELL UP!
I will always choose mentor
No I’m not
tiffany is a kid, she made a mistake due to emotional turmoil
remember batman killed joe chill out of revenge.
how do you even figure, just giving out the facts
Diamond stop
Shut up
I don't know why but Tiffany feels like a female version of Falcon
on your left intensifies
Because she's black and she have wings
Uy Ninh you're racist
In The New 52's Future's End continuity, Tiffany becomes Barbara Gordon's successor as Batgirl.
I liked the option to say nothing during the final choice
Feels more alive,and interesting in my opinion
I like the choice were you dont pick mentor or justice
Daniel Melendrez What I really liked that if you don't pick up any choice you get a new ending. Its not often the case in other scenes.
BabyZone. True
@@BabyZoneGaming Had I known that was a possibility, I would've totally gone with it. Shame that I was mislead
I would have just forgiven her and call it a day.
I'm mean she did Gotham a favor.🤔
So she uses her own dead father to justify killing riddler, does she not realize batman a parents were killed and HE didn't seek out revenge.
The Ouchiegiver he does worse stuff. Just because he didn’t kill anyone directly doesn’t excuse all the people who die because of him.
JB Markowicz but he can forgive her for murder. But not John? That's a double standard.
The Ouchiegiver John is a serial killer of innocent people, as well as criminals. He and Tiffany aren’t even remotely comparable unless you count all kills as the same. And if that’s the case, Batman is a killer because of all the people that died because of him.
Tiffany killed a wanted terrorist whom the police were likely ordered to shoot on sight, which is legal depending on the circumstances in some states (such as: the Riddler is fighting a vigilante and killing people nearby).
The only thing wrong about it was that she plotted it out in secret and interfered with the Agency’s investigation, and even they abused their federal jurisdiction by not properly informing the police what was going on and were criminals themselves.
The Ouchiegiver also there is no double standard when the prosecutor in question is a vigilante.
JB Markowicz so lives are comparable? That's not how batman thinks.
I told her you dumb af to kill someone yknow classic tough love Batman but I gave her a second chance bc if he gave Damien and Red hood a chance she could get one too
I can't take her seriously whenever she put on these damn Google glasses.
The point of Batman is that nobody is above the law.
This scence is build to show how the player can be a hypocrite.
They turn on Joker because "he is a bad guy" and they will mentor Tiffany because "she isn't a bad guy". But the two are on the same level. Iam sure Tiffany will kill in self defense in the same way as Joker did.
But you can go the other way here as well. Trying to pull a murderer to the good side, just like with Joker
TheTSense that's not the same. Joker was insane, like he showed multiple times he wasn't able to control his violent side, he tried to kill a defenseless Bane, he blow up the gcpd killing 8 people and injuring other 11 just to kidnap Waller, he wasn't able to follow Batman's code despite him having told him that killing is wrong, and thought that Waller deserved to die for her crimes, he tried to kill waller, Tiffany and Batman himself and slaughtered three agents and laughed at it. Tiffany was just a young girl who killed out for revenge, she won't kill innocent people to achieve her goals and since she isn't insane she can actually learn from Batman and become a better person under his guidance instead, while John just can't like even he says.
Mentor because I don't want Tiffany to be a villan and I don't want Tiffany to be sad
Batman: You need to face justice Tiffany.
Me: Dude, look at her. Do you honestly believe a girl with her statue would survive in prison?! They'll break her in 5 minutes!
As sad as it is trying to arrest tiffiny it's what batmans code would make him do
It makes more sense for Batman to make her face justice. By not doing that, he’s abandoning everything he stands for. He is supposed to bring justice to everyone who has done wrong. Even to those he cared for. Why she killed Riddler doesn’t matter. There is always a price to taking a life and she has to pay it.
Eddy Charles man you really don't know Batman at all do you if he did things that way he would be creating even worse monsters seriously just think about that. Batman knows when someone needs to be saved and when someone needs to be punished your logic is tiffany should be punished because she killed not taught why that's wrong not given a second chance to redeem herself? So I'm assuming you live in a black and white world where every choice is obvious?
Eddy Charles If you choose to mentor her though, Batman doesn't simply fogive her and let her off the hook for what she did, he simply decides that she is not just like any other criminal, she is just a young girl who made a mistake so he feels that with her father gone it's his job to teach her what is right and what is wrong now (like he said). Under his guidance she can redeem herself and never do the same mistakes again.
God, if batman strictly adhered to his moral code, he'd create way more monsters to face on the streets. People don't understand that Bruce is an understanding person and that there is no clear definition of right and wrong.
Pineapple Person, Batman in the comics has always had a black and white world view whenever it comes to being a hero whereas an anti-hero like Red Hood does kill criminals in self defense.
The "Nothing justifies Murder" choice followed by remaining silent seems like a valid route for batman's morals.
All the endings and Tiffany still gets away with it!
She could be just like Luscious Fox
nice video and btw happy Easter babyzone!
I feel bad for her
i don't
Lmao she said i aint going to no blackgate
I just choose to mentor her cause of her dad. I dont like Tiffany i just think her dad would like it and her dad would want to see her in Wayne Enterprises.
I cannot avoid to link her to a troubled robin rather to a batgirl. I am willing to give ehr a second chance for the reason that Bruce is willing to give Jason a second chance (or what passes for a second chance) when he becomes Red Hood
In The New 52's Future's End continuity, Tiffany becomes Barbara Gordon's successor as Batgirl.
Hopefully we get Rob in season three
nshed87 I hope we get a season 3 :)
If Telltale company never shut down and instead decided to keep on making Batman games, Tiffany would have definitely be Robin in Season 3.
I didn’t know she’d run if you tell her you’d turn her in. That kind of pisses me off since she planned to do it from the beginning seeing as she sabotaged your grapple gun, I thought she was better than that
Batman has another quality he gives everyone a second chance
how funny i got an ad about this episode
Justimight Aha?
Welp. Look at me, shipping everything.
#JusticeForTiffany
The choice should've been in the middle. Least I think that's what batman would've said
5:48 that thing just vanishes
American Boy Yeah I know
Can’t wait for season three
take this l for justice tiffany
I'm sorry but I liked the Riddler. I made her an enemy in the end.
Batwing anybody !?!🐇
So almost everyone ignores the fact that her murdering Riddler most probably prevented tons of deaths in the future? Riddler would've find a way out of prison again. He did it before and is a genius. Also it's not like she's happy about what she did. She wants to change if you show empathy towards her. Tiffany is a young girl that just lost her father. She probably suffered from depression, so saying "well she doesn't have any mental issues unlike John" is not completely right. The argument "well she would be fine with killing criminals she faces in the future too" is also not really thought through. She killed Riddler because he got her father killed. It's as personal and emotional as it can get. You can't compare that to a criminal who kills or threatens strangers. You would act way less emotional there. Also I bet 80% of you guys would do the exact same thing in Tiffany's situation if you would be able to in a way like she did with her drone. Especially when the murderer was someone like Riddler who would most probably walk out of his prison a few days later after he was captured anyway. Everyone would drive that thought crazy, to think that the person who just killed your loved father would walk around free because he's too smart to capture long.
To quote Alfred in the end of ep 5: "Everything has become so grey now"
The whole point of the enemy within was to show that there is no right or wrong when it comes to justice. Only different perspectives. But what most certainly is clear is that Tiffany is a young and broken girl. I see literally no point in rejecting her. Unless you want to value a questionable moralcode above empathy of course.
Green Guy *Raises hand
Um...I still wish I could have taken her in...
Yes I do ignore it, batman doesn't kill. It's one rule he'd had forever, if she wanted to be his sidekick, she should have been open and told him they, but she didn't, she lied so he wouldn't know, I know Lucius would have frowned upon hearing that his daughter killed someone and she deserves to beat the weight of what she did... In jail.... Lucius wouldn't have agreed with her and he was her father.... Batman doesn't kill, end of story.
Green Guy ....but she was happy she did it. She states she felt better about doing it. Batman didn't go after the man who killed his parents once he got older. It's about a code, it doesn't make sense we forgive her, but not John.
noah busch “Batman doesn’t kill” so that excuses all the people that died because of his actions that he didn’t murder directly?
The Ouchiegiver Batman not killing doesn’t mean he’s got the right to judge, though. Tiffany killed one guy. Dozens have died because of him.
I honestly didn't give a fuck about the Riddler so I chose to mentor her. Plus if I said "face justice" my Batman would be a muhufukin hypocrite.
Tiffany looked like a fortnite character when she flew off.
Casting her aside is just straight up cruel.
Batman, don't be a hypocrite. You've killed before, maybe not in this universe, but in other universes.
Brian Ennen thats what i thought lol
That's other universes, not this one.
Bruce doesnt kill humans, when it comes to monsters like darkseid or doomsday for example he slays
Batman is a hypocrite because he does everything out of revenge too. He became Batman to take revenge on people like that dude who killed his parents. Alfred explains it pretty well in the end. It's an obsession and a crusade. So yeah, blaming a person because she acted 1 time out of revenge is stupid if your whole identity revolves around your own crusade of justice.
Theirs a difference between doing things your way and doing something for revenge, batman isn't a hypocrite, he's doing everything he can to save everyone and he can't... Tiffany murdered Riddler for revenge, once you kill, your no better then the people who you fight... Don't blame batman, blame that fact that he's pushed to he limit everyday.
For those who would have chosen you should serve sentence,you have slowly turned tiffany to a joker,at this point batman is no more than a idiotic moron who couldn't fit both in his and tiffany shoes,since in both cases their father have been murdered,if Alfred wasn't there by side,for sure Bruce would have killed Joe chill and would have been a just another criminal of Gotham.Same applies to tiffany with only exception,there is no one by her side except for Bruce!
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People getting so into a video game 😂😂😂
I like how she gets pissy if Batman goes against her and her actions. Like a child having a temper tantrum if his mommy does believe his excuses. "But he was picking on me!"
If you dont take her side she gets all angry and has a temper tantrum
5:07 face her. To Justice.
I don’t know why anyone will dislike this
GalaxyFelix Haters 😉
BabyZone Exactly, here catch this thumbs up
NEW ROBIN!
In The New 52's Future's End continuity, Tiffany becomes Barbara Gordon's successor as Batgirl.
1st and btw can u make a vid for all choices with catwoman in ep 5 ? :D
TrapMusic Sure, I am planing to do that. I am finishing some scenes I am already working but will do my best to post that shortly :)
Thank you so much for the fast answer and love ur content man ^^
TrapMusic lol babyzone got us cover for catwoman soon XD
teamhebi13 xDD
Were there more scenes? In my version she only showed up on Waller's side with a collar, I fought her, got wounded and she dragged me to the batmobile and that was it
Riddler is one of my all time favourite villains so I definitely wanted to make her pay for it
And telltale being telltale just ruins everything with their no consequence style gameplay
Pbs kids
Is it me or does the tune in 3:58 -4:17 really hits me and makes me distant
What happens if u go through the whole story not saying anything
This season? Silent Wayne will have his brains blown out by Harley in episode 2 if he doesn't say anything to her during their first meeting.
This episode? At least in the Villain story, if you don't say anything to stop Harley from detonating a gas bomb, you'll die.
DokkanExclusive_ 2017 You can't cause you die at many occasions
Anyone else think batman's moral code is completely stupid. Imagine if he strictly adhered to it. How many monsters he'd create. How many people would despise him. This part with Tiffany really shows that there really is no definitive line between right and wrong. Bruce is understanding and personally I think it IS better to have dangerous psychopaths killed. Look at riddler who HAS killed dozens of innocents and HAS escaped from prison many times before. It's better to put him down than let him face a cell he'll escape from just to go and eventually take more innocent lives.
Pineapple Person, Batman’s methods might be stupid to some people like Red Hood, but he has always has the no killing rule ever since the comic book code of authority was made.
Tiffany needs to face justice yes her father doesn’t want that but he doesn’t want her to be a murderer with no consequences
How do you get to this. My ending with her was her joining the agency
ashley kay It depend on how you done things since episode 1. If she know you are Batman and in episode 4 you tell her to do not join the agency, you will get this scene.
You didn’t tell her you were Batman?
I really love this game. When it was time to tell her Batman is Bruce, I did not want to tell her because I didn't trust her. For this particular video though, why would I become her mentor when she murdered Riddler out of revenge. Bruce did not use what he learned to take vengeance on the individual who took his parents. For her to say, I thought you'll understand because of my father and the relationship you both have, is contradicting and goes against everything that is what the Batman symbol is. Of course Bruce knows the need for vengeance , more then anyone. Fox also knows that helping Bruce will bring justice to Gotham. If he found out that she killed Riddler, then he would understand the criminal decision more then anyone. If she wanted to be like Bruce or Batman than she must have to know how much self control there must be in order to do this. Therefore, my decision was clear. She is a criminal.
No
You can’t seriously believe going against Tiffany is the right thing to do.
Isn’t Luke Batwing?
Your the best CZcamsr
Angel Hernandez Thank you :)
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Jesus I'm just gonna choose to stay quiet and not answer. She killed the Riddler, she needs to face justice at some point, but then again, she's part of my family. I'm just going for 3 option... no response....
This video has 6 ads for my phone...
Nice bro keep it up
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DPunkGameGuides I use several softwares
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I don't feel bad for putting her in jail because her reaction is to run from the law, showing she hasn't changed. And she's a criminal and all are equal under the law.
jheeeeze
Aaaand yet how many people have Joker kill?
Corvo, you mean regardless of the path Joker takes? I mean Enemy/Vigilante. Because i remember clearly he killed three agents in ACE Chemicals in the V path, not to mention the agents in the fun house.
Carter Vance he killed 14 people in the vigilante's route (the news say that when he blew the GCPD up 8 people got killed and 11 to 13 got injured) he also killed three agents in episode 4 for self defense and slaughtered other three agents in episode 5 when he went absolutely mad, he also accidentally almost killed Batman and tried to kill him later when he stopped him from killing Waller and Tiffany. Ironically in villain's route the Joker did less killings, since he killed only four guys personally, the three agents in ep 4 and one of his thugs in ep 5. He also killed countless persons around the city and in Wayne Enterprises with the gas bombs, true but that was Harley Quinn's plan not his, he only wanted to kidnap Bruce.
Which is why Joker should be put in prison. Idky people want him to still be vigilante when he's not like that at all