@@harleygunn4783but at the same time you can’t hit the mother f’er behind that shield unless you melee it, get around it, or he stands. It’s definitely a fair compromise since it’ll also let the defenders know that the pain of Blitz or Monty is about ready to whip that corner and you stare in fear as you can do little to stop them
because it wasn't a accident they realised this thing is annoying but they don't wanna get called as an idiot for making bad changes so they called it a "bug"
The weird thing isn't the inconsistent amount of hits, it's the fact that one shield hit (1/5) and one normal hit (2.5/5) somehow breaks the barbed wire 😅. I don't think your math is mathing, Ubi.
Ubisofts damage system in siege for destructibles is really weird, without getting too in the details “damage” and “number of hits” are calculated seperately from each other but sorta kinda intertwine, what’s likely going on is that the barb wire is seeing it got hit twice and the second hit was a knife so it broke. You can see this with barricades aswell, you can do two knife hits but still need the same amount of shots as an unbroken UNLESS your glaz because his gun is calculated as a melee hit for some reason. TLDR: siege’s destruction system is actually multiple systems layered together in a glitchy mess
This is assuming a normal melee does exactly half the razor wire'# health. It might do 99% of its health in 1 hit. That would still take 2 normal melees or 1 shield melee, one normal melee to destroy.
@@LesMilitairesSansFrontieresYeah I assume the barbed wire was a little over a player's health considering it takes 1 hit melee to kill and 2 to destroy barbed, but 4? bashes to kill and 5 to destroy
I think jt was actually more random than anything. Because if you watch the wire, it sometimes doesn't break down to its second stage on first hit, or even the 3rd hit. And sometimes it's two hits as well. It is weird
@@Jashua- inconsistent is a better word than what I chose ( I chose the word random). It was super annoying having it sometimes work and sometimes take a ton of hits. Felt like way more than 5 sometimes
makes sense for it to be 5 hits, makes barbed wire more useful, being able to slow down a shield rush or forcing someone else to walk forwards and destroy the wire
I was running monty this season too.. I noticed i was getting shot through the shield but had no issues with barb wire.. Ubisoft just cant get anything right anymore
This shield rework seems more buggy than shields were prior lol I think the ads speed might be bugged too, kudos on these clips is aiming faster than im capable of aiming on console, like there’s a slight hiccup when aiming with shields on console. With kudos clips it’s just a smooth transition.
The operators used to have crazy fast aim down sight times. They nerfed the speed but they never fixed the animation so your head sticks out from enemy perspective before it should. It's something Jager himself showed in one of his newer videos the first 10 second clip
@@harleygunn4783tbf, he is playing on 3:2 resolution. It’s probably why it looks slightly fast. But the problem with stretch res (such as 5:4 and 4:3) is that if you don’t have a great reaction time since everything feels and looks fast. Is that you need a very good reaction time
Buffed, but also broken. I legit melee-d a defender and they didn't get knocked, or the melee sometimes misses completely, even if the person is right in front of you. For example I was pressed directly up against vigil, and melee-d him, but he just took 2 steps to the right and avoided it completely, even though I had already melee-d him well before he moved to the side, and of course you can still be Melee-d through the shield entirely. They're still very buggy, which ruins the experience of using them
Imagine they like buffs Monty, so when his shield is fully extended, he can like push bar wire, because the shield is of course, really low and touching the ground
I absolutely think it should be a feature. I play shields a lot and if I ever needed to destroy barbed wire quickly. I would swap to my pistol and hit it twice, but that came with the risk of loosing my protection. Seems unnecessary to change
As a monty main I ain’t complain about 5 hits for barbered wire as it’s compromise (I thought). But they cancelled it and also said that it was not balance feature but BUG. Really?! What’s wrong with u, ubi???😂🙄
@@harleygunn4783Yeah, 4 makes sense. Shield melee doesn’t technically do half the damage of a normal knife but in most scenarios it appears as if it roughly does, so taking twice the amount for barbed wire is the perfect amount.
I'm a shield main, particularly Monty, and I thought the 5 hits was fair. Frustrating at times, but fair. Honestly, imo this was one of those accidental brilliancies, and it probably should've stayed.
I think shields shouldn't be able to break barb wire. It makes sense and would be a great balance tool by forcing someone else to break it or for the shield to put it away to break it with a knife.
They can bash barbed wire in 2 hits with a shield but the operators cant control 9mm SMGs or 556 rifles and the Chris Vector has a shit load of recoil when the gun has a built mechanism to lower recoil irl
As a person who has Blitz as my most played attacker operator, this should be a feature and added again. On the topic of nerfing shield using operators, especially Blitz, I'd take mobility nerfs any day over how my shield interacts with other players. I feel that its more fair for both sides while other is frustrating to atleast one side.
In the end of the day this doesn't matter at all whether it's two hits or five that is such a miniscule thing. It doesn't change the fact that he could just walk through it. It hasn't changed how strong he is.
Out of curiosity before this season how much had you played Monte? I know he was always ranked very low but I always found him to be very underrated. By far my favorite map with him is Club House. He makes otherwise miserable pushes a whole lot less messy! Push those rafters and the rafter players can enjoy trying to hold an angle on two completely different places at the same time without dying. Same with pushing down dirt. Both sites get a lot of attackers killed before they can do much of anything which he completely fixes.
One nitro cell and a shield user is fucking done. It's why I know always run nitro cell to counter Monty easily. As someone who has been learning every op I've also learned the best ways and methods to counter them. I'm no pro player and I barely know any call outs but I know what ops have what equipment and what ops counter other ops
This short feels like back in school when you had to write something with a certain word count, but you finish writing and are only half way there so you just needlessly extend what you’ve already written 😂 Bro said the same few things like 3 different times. Short literally could have been 10 seconds and said all the same things 😂
@@Alecfisher01yeah, it's always the same mfs that say "shields take no skill" and then they get reamed when they trr that also say "stop going shields they're bad" lmao Even used Thorn's shotgun because it's better than the Uzi (which the cz is better than anyways so why not take that and the shotty) in a match with two guys that were already hating on me going Monty and they hated on that too
Did they also make it so impact grenades don’t do damage against shields? I keep throwing both my impacts at blitz and he doesn’t seem to take any damage from it
Nah your first mistake was trying to apply logic to it. If this "realistic" shooter was actually realistic we wouldn't be able to smash the wire with our guns either. Not in 2 hits anyway. More 40
You know at this point you might as well give blackbeard his og shield till they rework him cause these mew shields are more toxic to play against then o.g blacbeard 😂
The fact that you thought that of all things was balancing is pretty sad. “Oh yah we should nerf how quickly they can get through barbed wire because they have a shield” as if barbed wire is even used often enough for that to be an effective change.
These operators are fucking built different holy shit😂
The fact they can destroy barbed wire is amazing
Damn. Lion has his own YT channel 💀
Also the fact jt doesnt damage them. @zroadragetherussian
The trade off of literally not having a rifle id say is a pretty big tradeoff
Surprised nobody mentioned Oryx yet😂😂🤣🤣💀💀🪦
I kind of want this to actually be a feature not a bug.. I've been playing fuse shield/blitz And I also thought this was very fair compromise!
Make it 4 hits
y thought exactly make it 3 or 4 hits. 5 is just too many for it to actually be a "fair compromise"
@@harleygunn4783but at the same time you can’t hit the mother f’er behind that shield unless you melee it, get around it, or he stands. It’s definitely a fair compromise since it’ll also let the defenders know that the pain of Blitz or Monty is about ready to whip that corner and you stare in fear as you can do little to stop them
@@madfluffyfox8739 at this point it sounds like you've just got skill issues
Same
Crazy how when Ubi makes a change that makes sense, it's just an accident
because it wasn't a accident they realised this thing is annoying but they don't wanna get called as an idiot for making bad changes so they called it a "bug"
The weird thing isn't the inconsistent amount of hits, it's the fact that one shield hit (1/5) and one normal hit (2.5/5) somehow breaks the barbed wire 😅. I don't think your math is mathing, Ubi.
Maybe normal hits do between 4 (inclusive) and 5 (exclusive) damage
4 ≤ x < 5
Ubisofts damage system in siege for destructibles is really weird, without getting too in the details “damage” and “number of hits” are calculated seperately from each other but sorta kinda intertwine, what’s likely going on is that the barb wire is seeing it got hit twice and the second hit was a knife so it broke.
You can see this with barricades aswell, you can do two knife hits but still need the same amount of shots as an unbroken UNLESS your glaz because his gun is calculated as a melee hit for some reason.
TLDR: siege’s destruction system is actually multiple systems layered together in a glitchy mess
@@jeremyfoster23 Somehow unsurprising
This is assuming a normal melee does exactly half the razor wire'# health. It might do 99% of its health in 1 hit. That would still take 2 normal melees or 1 shield melee, one normal melee to destroy.
@@LesMilitairesSansFrontieresYeah I assume the barbed wire was a little over a player's health considering it takes 1 hit melee to kill and 2 to destroy barbed, but 4? bashes to kill and 5 to destroy
Of course it wasn't intentional it wasn't even a consistent amount of hits to destroy it
Yeah I destroyed one in four
Idk what he's complaining about three hits doesn't seem like a lot to two
@@theWOTONguyI had to smack it 5 times
I think jt was actually more random than anything. Because if you watch the wire, it sometimes doesn't break down to its second stage on first hit, or even the 3rd hit. And sometimes it's two hits as well. It is weird
It was inconsistent. It would usually take 5 hits for me
@@Jashua- inconsistent is a better word than what I chose ( I chose the word random). It was super annoying having it sometimes work and sometimes take a ton of hits. Felt like way more than 5 sometimes
I though I was missing the barbed wire 😂 I didn't know this was the case
Bro fr made me think twice ab these past couple days doing double-takes after hitting it twice lmao
Definitely needed to stay in the game, especially considering how much more aggressive you can be with shields now
No way bro just said monte is his most played attacker
Blitz being good may be enough to bring me back after like 5 years
As a Support Main The Shield rework is Top Tier especially with coordinating Teammates 🎉🤝
for montagne yeah not blitz
@@Gyyghhhhjjjkk felt that basically same shit different year for him 🤣
makes sense for it to be 5 hits, makes barbed wire more useful, being able to slow down a shield rush or forcing someone else to walk forwards and destroy the wire
I didn’t even think about using my shield to destroy barbed wire lol. 5 hits pry makes it less likely people think it works from just trying it.
I was running monty this season too.. I noticed i was getting shot through the shield but had no issues with barb wire.. Ubisoft just cant get anything right anymore
This shield rework seems more buggy than shields were prior lol I think the ads speed might be bugged too, kudos on these clips is aiming faster than im capable of aiming on console, like there’s a slight hiccup when aiming with shields on console. With kudos clips it’s just a smooth transition.
Never encountered the problem your describing I play on PS5 and main blitz
then again the laser attachment increases ads speed
Are you running a laser sight? There’s almost no reason not to as a shield operator, so if you aren’t already I would
The operators used to have crazy fast aim down sight times. They nerfed the speed but they never fixed the animation so your head sticks out from enemy perspective before it should. It's something Jager himself showed in one of his newer videos the first 10 second clip
@@harleygunn4783tbf, he is playing on 3:2 resolution. It’s probably why it looks slightly fast. But the problem with stretch res (such as 5:4 and 4:3) is that if you don’t have a great reaction time since everything feels and looks fast. Is that you need a very good reaction time
Buffed, but also broken.
I legit melee-d a defender and they didn't get knocked, or the melee sometimes misses completely, even if the person is right in front of you. For example I was pressed directly up against vigil, and melee-d him, but he just took 2 steps to the right and avoided it completely, even though I had already melee-d him well before he moved to the side, and of course you can still be Melee-d through the shield entirely.
They're still very buggy, which ruins the experience of using them
very very good lil video 😂❤
Haircut always looks better next day!
Love you Kudos.
Yo that monty kill was clean af thooo
Imagine they like buffs Monty, so when his shield is fully extended, he can like push bar wire, because the shield is of course, really low and touching the ground
I absolutely think it should be a feature. I play shields a lot and if I ever needed to destroy barbed wire quickly. I would swap to my pistol and hit it twice, but that came with the risk of loosing my protection. Seems unnecessary to change
Nobody puts barbed wires in my matches, so I never realised
Nice haircut bro it suits you
Maverick is my most played operator this season
Shields got nerfed, start of the game 1 shield hit killed. Now doesn’t. Hip fire behind shield > reloading behind shield
How do you look at your operator time? 💀
I'm on console and can't find it on r6tracker anymore
You can go to Ubisoft's R6 website and then select Services > My Profile. Just login using your console login or Ubisoft login to load your stats.
i think its on the official ubisoft stats website
I just looked it up on the upisoft tracker and it is really wrong for me lol I'm on console
Says I have only 3 minutes played on ace this whole season and only 4 kills with fenrir yeah that's cap
They did change it so crouching still exposes your feet tho so it’s kinda fair
As a monty main I ain’t complain about 5 hits for barbered wire as it’s compromise (I thought). But they cancelled it and also said that it was not balance feature but BUG. Really?! What’s wrong with u, ubi???😂🙄
5 hits too many. 3 or 4 is better. Preferably 4
@@harleygunn4783Yeah, 4 makes sense. Shield melee doesn’t technically do half the damage of a normal knife but in most scenarios it appears as if it roughly does, so taking twice the amount for barbed wire is the perfect amount.
They should bring it to 3 for sheields and make barbed wire do damage if you're in it for to long
I'm a shield main, particularly Monty, and I thought the 5 hits was fair. Frustrating at times, but fair. Honestly, imo this was one of those accidental brilliancies, and it probably should've stayed.
I think shields shouldn't be able to break barb wire. It makes sense and would be a great balance tool by forcing someone else to break it or for the shield to put it away to break it with a knife.
5 hits is crazy
Crazy that Monti is bros main 😭😭
When montes learn to rotate - Villain Status
They can bash barbed wire in 2 hits with a shield but the operators cant control 9mm SMGs or 556 rifles and the Chris Vector has a shit load of recoil when the gun has a built mechanism to lower recoil irl
For me I’ve never had to hit barb with blitz/monty for more than 2 some reason
Bro is built like montagne
I think it's because they reused the code for oryx's dash, which did little damage
When you have to hit the word count on an assignment... lol
You can just hit it once with your shield and swap to your pistol and hit it again then it’ll break if you didn’t know
I hate that ubisoft keeps retconning intentional changes and calls them “bugs” even after having addressed them and called them intentional changes!!
Imagine being a Monty main tho
As a person who has Blitz as my most played attacker operator, this should be a feature and added again. On the topic of nerfing shield using operators, especially Blitz, I'd take mobility nerfs any day over how my shield interacts with other players. I feel that its more fair for both sides while other is frustrating to atleast one side.
Kudos, how do you see your most played attackers/defenders?? Just curious
Breaking news oryx pick rate skyrockets
So THAT'S why Barbed Wire suddenly became easier to break! It was a pretty neat feature tbh
Needa fix the melee too swear if ur in the knockdown animation you can’t get double hit if their to quick
lmao and here i thought they brought back the old barbed wire damage pool to be set on 3 hits instead of 2
I think 5 is one too many if anything, revert it back to the original three hit barb wire, or make it four. 10 hits for 2 barbwire is kinda insane.
I also thought that this was a feature
Balancing? Bro it’s barbed wire 😂
I knew this was the case. I was like why am I hitting it this many times
Unreal having Monty as ur most played opp🤡🤡
Never knew it was 5 hit cause i only play sledge 😂
In the end of the day this doesn't matter at all whether it's two hits or five that is such a miniscule thing. It doesn't change the fact that he could just walk through it. It hasn't changed how strong he is.
Walking through it would slow him down and give off sound cues which could be bad in some situations
4 hits would easily be a good nerf. Double the time to break, but significantly less risk.
- Signed, Monty main since 2017
Out of curiosity before this season how much had you played Monte? I know he was always ranked very low but I always found him to be very underrated.
By far my favorite map with him is Club House. He makes otherwise miserable pushes a whole lot less messy! Push those rafters and the rafter players can enjoy trying to hold an angle on two completely different places at the same time without dying. Same with pushing down dirt. Both sites get a lot of attackers killed before they can do much of anything which he completely fixes.
Shields should not be able to deal melee damage , this would make fighting them at a close range a little less annoying
Bro admitted hes a monty main lol
Kudos please make a monty guide I want to start maining him frag heavy but im not sure when to bash when to pistol yk
One nitro cell and a shield user is fucking done. It's why I know always run nitro cell to counter Monty easily. As someone who has been learning every op I've also learned the best ways and methods to counter them. I'm no pro player and I barely know any call outs but I know what ops have what equipment and what ops counter other ops
They need to fix the bug where you can shoot through shields.
This short feels like back in school when you had to write something with a certain word count, but you finish writing and are only half way there so you just needlessly extend what you’ve already written 😂
Bro said the same few things like 3 different times. Short literally could have been 10 seconds and said all the same things 😂
Shield users watching me throw a nitro cell at the back of their head
Ive hated Blitz since he got that buff. I hate that both other shields got the same buff. I hate shields.
Nah blitz got nerfed hella bad Monty on the other hand got a massive buff
How is it 5 hits as a Monty main I didn't even notice this when I broke barb wire
I just walked over it 🤷♂️
I was wondering why it took so long when I played monti or blitz to destroy the wire, guess I don't have to worry about that then.
Nah shields have always been op🗿 shield main since day one
Shields were never op, they’ve probably got a higher skill cap and learning curve than any other operator.
@@Alecfisher01Definitely copper
@@mikeyplayzwrldhe’s right though
@@Alecfisher01yeah, it's always the same mfs that say "shields take no skill" and then they get reamed when they trr that also say "stop going shields they're bad" lmao
Even used Thorn's shotgun because it's better than the Uzi (which the cz is better than anyways so why not take that and the shotty) in a match with two guys that were already hating on me going Monty and they hated on that too
@@williewilson2250Don’t forget when they swap to a shield to “show you how it’s done” just to get absolutely railed because they’re trash
Same thing with them hiding shield ops feet, I thought it was intentional
Ubisoft-Let’s make shields primarily defensive. Biggest lie ever told
I feel like they should make it 4 tho
This is why I have oryx w
I have like 50 hours on montagne this season. Every round every game.
barbed wires shoud only be destroyed by explosives or equipment.
Bro why. They’re op in the first buff.
I think barbed wire should hurt and unless you take wire cutters or explosives you can't destroy it
How does it make more sense for a knife and gun to break it in 2 hits but it takes a giant heavy shield 5 that doesn't make sensse at all
I bet it’s because they reduced the melee damage of the shield
Glad the shield nerf for anyone except monty has been reconsiliated
Hi blitz player here i thought it was 3 also i hate that i cant hipfire now but i know that its because if im lucky enough well ya know
Did they also make it so impact grenades don’t do damage against shields? I keep throwing both my impacts at blitz and he doesn’t seem to take any damage from it
They need to fix the hit regs on shields cuz rn it feels like a 50/50
I’m a shield main and I think the barbed wire makes sense didnt bother me at all
Only Ubisoft man😂🤦♀️🤦♀️
The only thing happening after the update is that my game keeps crashing
BRO HAS 148 KILLS WITH MONTY 💀💀💀💀💀💀
Repeat stuff. Repeat stuff. Repeat stuff. Keeps timer up!
thought it was a feature because sheilds are flat and barbwire is you know... wire
Nah your first mistake was trying to apply logic to it. If this "realistic" shooter was actually realistic we wouldn't be able to smash the wire with our guns either. Not in 2 hits anyway. More 40
Let's hope they fixed the bug that locks you into animations when you play Jager
Sometimes I had to hit it 4 sometimes 5
You know at this point you might as well give blackbeard his og shield till they rework him cause these mew shields are more toxic to play against then o.g blacbeard 😂
I don’t get the hype around shields this season, if anything they’re even easier to kill than ever
I think it should be a feature
Same, but make it 3 or 4 hits. 5 is too many for it to be a fair compromise
probably 4 because if its 3 then it's just 1 more hit and there's not much point
i seen a clip where it only took you .9 hits to break barbed
Make a crusader skin and give him a sword already
Buff blitz Monty is just better now
They could make it 3, maybe 4 hits. 5 seems a bit excessive
The fact that you thought that of all things was balancing is pretty sad. “Oh yah we should nerf how quickly they can get through barbed wire because they have a shield” as if barbed wire is even used often enough for that to be an effective change.
Shield main L btw, u can’t get a win without him.
Womp womp
@@KudosR6 fair enough
I won a 1 v 4 with Monty it was so satisfying like get good kid 🤣🤣🤷 wasn't that hard to kill me