Should Christians Join Fraternities and Sororities?
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- Should Christians join fraternities and sororities? Now I understand that not everyone is in college but perhaps your children are or you know someone who is. This is a question that I get asked on a regular basis over the years so I finally decided to attempt to answer it. Clearly the Bible doesn't say anything about fraternities and sororities but we can use biblical principles and wisdom to determine whether we should or should not join such organizations. I'd love to hear your thoughts below.
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Hey BEAT family! Technical difficulties today but we got our video out. This is a question that so many people have asked me over the years that I finally got around to answering. Let me know your thoughts below. Enjoy and have a great weekend!
No Christian should join a secret society.
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Finally, my question answered!! Thank you. Love this channel.
Thank you Rev Parr! I joined an academic fraternity in College - however at my Christian University - Greek houses and social Greek organizations were banned. I was still in clubs and don’t feel I missed out socially at all.
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The biggest reason why I never joined a fraternity, aside from the immoral activities, was the secrecy of the process and the history of the organizations. It would have definitely hindered my witness! Much love brother Allen!
Me too. Also the woman were not at like sisters to each other
I joined one when I was in my BA and it was for honor students and it only recognized honors. There was no stepping or none of them at stuff fraternity’s do.
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@@aminahdean7468 How did the women treat each other even though they were considered sisters 🤔❓
@@ml.vaughn2122 Did you have to take an ungodly pledge or oath that violated His law 🤔❓
Short Answer no
Long Answer Noooooo
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“Christ over culture”, hard
When I pledging, there was a moment that one of the sisters said something to the effect that I should be grateful for the sacrifices that the founding sisters made so that I would have the privileges they were affording me. I laughed and responded, "Ain't none of them sistah's named Jesus, and none of them died on the cross and conquered death and sin for me, so I don't need these and I surely don't need them. I know who I am and whose I am". I never looked back. I don't think greek societies are for christians, they make covenants to spirits, that's the big secret. they never tell you that until the very end. God tells us we are not to put any other gods above him. Simple and plain.
Right!!!
Amen!
So because of the Jim Crow laws at the time blacks were segregate so many women came to gather to build a bond, sisterhood and to educate the community so I’m sure that’s why she said that. It’s more a historical thing than anything else and has nothing to do with your beliefs in God. Trust me I know who I am too and god is the center of my life but I also believe I have the opportunity to impact the world and that’s the main mission of these organizations . Now I know some may do dark things or against the laws of the organization but mine doesn’t
You are absolutely right, that's the part that people are ignoring is the problem that still make it with demon spirits the songs, hell weak, crossing the burning sands, and dancing stepping the secular songs. The tattoos and the branding are alarming sign in itself but people completely ignore it because they want the lust of the flesh, the less of the eyes, and the pride of life
@@tamekabarnes8538 All American historical facts aside, the bible specifically speaks against these organizations and their evil practices. You're not living for God if you're part of these groups, it's biblically impossible. Get to know God by reading His word and you'll know better.
My brother made a statement about how he didn’t believe parts of the Bible. Please pray for him to he can find Jesus.
So have my dad 🙏🏽 praying Sam
Look Up thank you so much
Praying for him, so many people believe this lie.
Which people are preaching the good news of the kingdom around the world like Jesus Mathew 4:23,24:14,28:18-20?
Same in my fam. Prayers 🙏🏽.
No, they shouldn't! I spiritually denounced DST in 2013 and went through the official withdrawal process in 2018. Praying current members and those considering joining receive God’s Truth, so that they, too, may be delivered from the lies and bondage these secret societies bring. 🙏🏽
Amen! Glad you came out of that!
Plz pray in agreement for my daughter to renounce 🙏🔥
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@@dannieden4596 All glory to God! 🙌🏽💗
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I WAS A Q AND THE CLOSER I GOT AND THE MORE I SURRENDERED TO YAHUA ELOHIM HE TOLD ME TO TAKE EVERYTHING I HAD FROM MY FRAT AND THROW IT IN THE TRASH NEVER TO WEAR OR PROFESS AGAIN AND I DID IT WAS ALREADY ON MY HEART!
Jesus is Lord. he has overcome Death, He has Saved Us From Eternal Punishment. Give Him Glory
Which people are preaching the good news of the kingdom around the world like Jesus Mathew 4:23,24:14,28:19-20?
Since he won't say it I will! Christians should NOT join these organizations. I denounced my membership to AKA and never looked back. He's not telling people what we actually did when we pledged and the rituals and oaths we took part in. This video is actually disappointing
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Man, what a blessing you are. Thank you for saying that. You are very kind and encouraging. Thank you,
amen!!
indeed
Which people are preaching the good news of the kingdom around the world like Jesus Mathew 4:23,24:14,28:18-20?
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Allen I absolutely love the fact that you don’t steer from difficult topics! I took a lot of heat for teaching about this but I wouldn’t take one word of it back. So so so many preachers coward down and water the word down when it relates to this. They try to justify everything you mentioned. The Word says what it says! The fact that so many young people are encouraged by Christians- pastors included to participate in BGLO, knowing all that it entails, is just mind boggling to me. Again- THANK YOU!
I agree
Amen❗Fraternities and sororities are secretly 🤫 controlled by Satan 👹✅
Sis , some of these preachers ride the fence because of their membership in these organizations.
@Marie Horn, Do you have a video on CZcams of your teaching? I would love to watch it.
@@dannieden4596 Hi Danielle, I teach mainly on my Facebook page Marie Horn or Gathering Outreach Mission.
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Amen!!! You can’t be a servant of two masters.
Amen God bless you and your family
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I denounced my co-ed business fraternity this year after I accepted Jesus back into my life & felt convicted! The origin of these organizations are not biblical and the process to get in is quite disturbing / demonic for many. Thanks for answering this question and sharing your experience!
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I'd had the same revelation regarding the need to denounce. God bless❤
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Which people are preaching the good news of the kingdom around the world like Jesus Mathew 4:23,24:14,28:18-20?
I want to be back and feel cut off from God...have gone too far Nd feel FOOLISH and sick. . PLEASE PRAY. I NEED JESUS ONLY saved People to pray for....this is sick sad Miserable...JESUS IS ANGRY WITH ME.... please I have nothing else and need INNNER healin and war for what I did FOOLISH.
GOD STOP..ME....this detrimental to my whole being....sad.and disgusting...just wrong wrong
Yes! My mom thought I was “doing too much” when I explained that this is why I didn’t want to pledge during my freshman year. Thank you for sharing this because I see so many proclaiming Christians saying there’s nothing wrong with being in Greek life.
So ironic because the Greeks in Bible times were against God
Thank you for this video brother Parr. I actually denounced and renounced my membership from Delta Sigma Theta a couple of years ago, after the Holy Spirit literally told me to do so. I then began to study the origins of secret societies (not just the BGLOs), and I was so grieved that I had ever taken the oath. In this last hour, we as Christians must decide who we are truly serving....man or God. It could be a truly difficult decision for many to leave these organizations, especially if they've been members for many years. But for me, it came down to who do I love more...and who do I seek to please - God or man? I'm sincerely praying for all those (even in my own family and circle of friends) to trust God, and do what He leads them to do.
Amen!!!! If people really knew what was going on in the spiritual realm they would 🏃♀️. God and Satan and are both seeking souls. You can’t be a servant of two masters.
@@leereneecee Amen.
Praise God!! I learned about all that too & denounces dst too
I'm thankful to read your testimony. I was almost a full member of kappa kappa but I got out because it was too expensive and I also beleived fraternities were cults.
@@ThriveSojourner Amen!
Great video; however I am against Fraternities/sororities/ secret societies (you mentioned not being against them). I was once a member of Delta Sigma Theta. I renounced almost 2 years ago after being a member for 20 years.. I struggled with renouncing for years. One day, I looked at the ritual book and the scales were finally removed from my eyes. I realized I was worshipping other gods and it is a false sense of sisterhood, among other things. I repented and now I'm no longer listed on their roster. I thank the Lord for deliverance and for answering His call .
T. Tenille praise God & love this response! I denounced dst a few years ago too
You did the right thing.
That’s amazing! Growing up I always wanted to be apart of DST and even began the process but then was very much convicted. Even them saying all of my love my peace and happiness I’m gonna give it to Delta never sat right with me… I give those things to my God alone. You did the right thing!
I've seen a lot of denouncement videos on CZcams in the past couple years. The ministry Out From Among Them has several forums about it. I'm so glad that so many of you have come out of these organizations. Praise God!
@@dannieden4596 Out from Among Them Ministries provided support and encouragement. I had no idea what to do or where to start. I thank the Lord for this ministry 🙂.
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Happy sabbath to you as well!
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Which people are preaching the good news of the kingdom around the world like Jesus Mathew 4:23,24:14,28:19-20?
Thank you Allen for sharing this. I am so glad you are addressing this. Everything you said is on-point. Glory be to God that he is speaking through you so well. I personally witnessed this as well. At my liberal university, my freshman year I was peer pressured by my new friends and tempted for all the reasons you mentioned (identity, pride, status symbol, etc and signed up. Upon going through recruitment, I felt very convicted but still went through with it. Upon getting selected to join a sorority, it was through the initiation where I realized how satanic it was. I quit and actually later that year, joined a Christian org on campus, gained various internship experiences, joined other organizations and held leadership positions, completed over 500 hours of community service, and etc. I thank God and give him Glory for all he has done. To any college student reading this, I pray that God gives you the wisdom, discernment, and trust in Him because IMO you can do it all through Him because He will give you the strength!
Thank you for your transparency and candidly addressing this. I pledged in '96 and the same questions and convictions stirred up in me. I have not been active in almost 20 years. This video is going to help someone make an informed biblical decision.
You should formally denounce.
I'm over here crying listening to this. I'm in my classroom having a hard time dealing with this issue. I have already pledged a Grad chapter of Divine 9. Like I'm still in my neo year and the conflict in my spirit has been bugging me like crazy. I have been saved for some years now but just recently really been getting into my word. Because of my choice to go with the frat and I am now fighting to keep my marriage and my mental health. Trying to detach me from this is hard. But your video helped. Thank you.
Did you renounce/ denounce? If you need support, I’m here. I denounced / renounced my D9 org almost three weeks ago.
Renounce. It's not too late. And I think you need deliverance coz suffering mentally is not from God.
If it is causing disturbance within you, it is ok to let it go. Nothing is worth that. May the Lord bless you with the clarity you need to decide what is best for you and you rrelationship with Him; the stregnth in Him to do it; and the joy in your soul to not carry any regrets.
And the weird part is that a LOT of Black churches (baptist and ame mostly) have a special Greek Sunday like once a year🤦🏽♀️... the idea of doing your “call” and hand symbols and giving shoutouts to each NPHC organization in the sanctuary never set well with me
Miss954 Sounds like an AME church. They put it under the guise of “T-Shirt” Sunday. Smh 🤦🏾♀️- Inactive Zeta 💙
What? Interesting .
Wow what the...
So true!
Very very sad scene. God is not pleased @Miss954 initial comment
Ummmm as a leader and follower/believer of Christ you don’t have a problem with sororities and fraternities? Why???? Fraternities and Sororities are not of God......you said you resigned from your position as president.... but did you come out from amongst your fraternity.....did you denounce/renounce from them?
Man, you get asked questions that I never even thought of. Thanks for the info, God bless you.
I wouldn't align myself with any of those groups.
There can be so much that doesn't represent Christ.
I'd move as far away as possible
This is literally the video I’ve been needing! My mom is an AKA and several other relatives who are Greek as well, and this has truly been something that I’ve been torn over as a Christian. I also have wondered a lot about Eastern Stars and masons sense my grandma and several other relatives are/have been a part of that as well.
Research and look into the true origins of those organizations....Be Blessed!
Search for a message called Pursuit of Holiness, Exposing Idolatry in the Church by Fred Price Jr.
Follow your heart ❤️ JESUS Christ will always love you
Andrew Jones “The heart is deceitful above all things And it is extremely sick; Who can understand it fully and know its secret motives?”
Jeremiah 17:9 AMP
There is a reason you are torn. Be grateful that you feel this way because God is warning you. The rituals you go through are full of idolatry. I denounced from AKA 2 years ago and have no regrets. It's not of God. You can look up denouncement videos here on YT and even google the rituals for yourself.
I thank jesus, that i found your channel. You have honestly opened my eyes to many evil that were around me. Please keep making more videos. As a younger Christian, it really gived some important messages.
I was super close to joining a BGLO about 2 or so years ago. Me and all my friends were so excited to be going through it together. But I just genuinely could not shake the conviction that I had over it. And believe me, I tried because my flesh literally wanted this so bad! But I was doing some research regarding the rituals and poems that need to be recited and all the hazing (which every GLO claims they don’t do, but they do) and the Holy Spirit would not let me go through with it, so I dropped. Like you, I caught slack for it but like you said, it’s Christ over Culture. I have no doubt that these orgs do great things, but Christ is most definitely not at the center. Thank you for sharing this!
Imani u are saying my story! Except I wasn’t as self aware as you were but God is so good. I was THAT close to pledging delta. It just seemed like a cool thing to do and the delta girls were my friends. But I didn’t like the hazing I was hearing about. I didn’t like the secrecy aspect either. It seemed like God kept throwing issues at me like financial issues and doing better in school that overwhelmed me and forced me to put pledging on the back burner. Years later I’m so happy God had mercy to stop me from pledging. I’m know so much more about Christ now. Stay blessed girlfriend:)
@@heather7119 Yes! The secrecy was a huge thing for me as well. If there is truly nothing to hide about intake, why the secrecy? Praise Him for giving us eyes to see and ears to hear. God Bless you too, sis (:
This is something I have been struggling with ever since I joined. Thank you making this video.
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Hey Allen, i truly appreciate your channel. It is so truth-filled and comes from a humble heart! Thank you for your precious work! God bless you!
Thank you for giving me a biblical perspective about these things, because I've tried asking frat brothers and sorors and they told me it was a secret. I'm a senior in high school, and at first, I wanted to join a sorority my sophomore year of college. Now, I can get that idea out of my head.
Please do not do it. I pledged a sorority & found out a lot that I wish I'd known before & I had to go through the painful process of letting it go.. no matter how good it appears, or how people praise these orgs... it is not of God. Do not be deceived.
Thank you for being so open and honest. I noticed you were Greek as I am also. I’m so grateful that you discussed this matter (and have been wanting you to!) as I believed you would have done an awesome job illustrating this topic. I was not disappointed. Thank you for not fearing “difficult topics”. I appreciate this channel so much and it helps me be a more knowledgeable Christian.
Hey sis which org are you in?
Jordan Rice Sigma Gamma Rho
Renounced sorority, sigma gamma rho...best decision of repentance!
Praise the Lord! I denounced the same organization and have been thriving every since.
@@precioush.5415 pray for me.... Sincerely been in Immorality and disgusting...left CHRIST and as alone female I HAVE GOT TO BE WHOLE AND BACK this was and is horrendous....not well and miserable...God delivered me. I really meant God ...done stupid have no life. .. PLEASE SIS.
You did the right thing.
I watched your videos regarding this with 2 other ladies. It was really good.
11:00 The multiple gods are the false pagan gods which people have pledges themselves to.
I’ve considered it but I was on the fence because some people make frats/sor. their life and only Christ is my life!
The fence is on fire so we have to choose wisely and choose Christ
Joseph Earley Facts! Brother Allen’s video put things into perspective for me.
May God Bless You Mori, my sentiments exactly 🙏🏾☺️🙏🏾☺️🙏🏾
Amen
This guy did not denounce the freemason which is what fraternities and sororities are. He sat on the fence without a clear-cut position and so I think I know exactly which side of the fence he sits on. This is why I would rather read my bible and allow the Holy Spirit to guide me instead of listening to any other!!
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I pledged 10 years ago to a Latina based sorority and was saved 5 years ago. I realized this in 2016 stumbling across an ex AKA CZcams video. Really opened my eyes! We had similar oaths that sounded evil too, letters are of course deemed sacred, and club socials were a way to make money so we’re required to go. I lived that lifestyle and thought I was ok with God! Considered self termination when I realized all this once I got saved but I already graduated and don’t actively participate or rep paraphernalia. I did make some good friendships who will stay with me regardless if I leave. I love that you give ways for viewers to realize it themselves through scripture rather than saying yes or no. You are so gifted in your teaching and instruction dear brother! Your videos are so humbling and restrictive of showing biases so the focus is scripture. I pray I do the same with the little I try to share on IG & CZcams. God bless you and your ministry.
My daughter is currently being groomed by Chi Upsilon Sigma and, while I haven't told her anything, I don't feel comfortable about it. Unfortunately she doesn't really live by Christian standards at the moment (despite being raised in them) and I fear that my trying to dissuade her might have an opposite effect (or no effect at all, at best).
When young, I did many things I ended up having to denounce later on, but we're living in very different times now! Things have officially flown off the handle and God knows if she'll ever have a chance to get rid of that yoke once she realizes what she got herself into... 🤷♀
Didn't think you'd tackle this! Let's go!
I wasn't really sure if people were interested in this topic to be quite honest. I've been asked about it several times.
THE BEAT by Allen Parr Did you renounce the organization? Do you still wear your Greek Letters?
@@arnittajohnson988 Good question!
@@arnittajohnson988 He answered the same question earlier, he did not denounce but has not been active for 25 years
Aminah Dean thank you.
Same as Masonry, I was a mason before being saved. I left and demited the organization due to the oaths.
Make it plain brother!!!! I’m so glad you tackled this subject! Awesome message. This will bless many!!
I pleaged grad chapter Delta Sigma Theta in 2006 and denounced January 2019 for the very reason God told me I had to choose. As I grew in my relationship with Christ he started revealing the strongholds in my life that I had to let go of. It wasn't an easy decision but I did make a conscious decision to remove my membership as a witness and testament to whom I really served the lord God all mightly.
I contacted my sands and a few sorors and explained what I learned as I grew in my relationship with Christ. I informed them that I would no longer be their sands or soror but now their sister in Christ. Some recieved my stance and some rejected me. However I hold no judgement. It took me nearly 12 years to discover the deep dark truth.
I was warn by my spritual father but I had so many greek chrisitan connections that I listened to them instead of God's word that clearly states why we should not be apart of secret societies. It's total deception and the way statan keeps us in bondage to the world.
For all of those who have denounced and have made a decision to boldly proclaim your love for the lord by praying for those who have yet to come out I'd be more than happy to start a Christian group called Christ Cusaders where we come together and pray against this sprit of deception.
We are not to judge but to walk in love. Trust me the power of prayer will remove the blinders off our bother and sisters eyes. Whose down??????
Love yall peace and Blessings
Evangelist Terrece
Man brother Parr I wish you had put this video out a year or more ago. My oldest son pledged to be a part of a fraternity and because I didn't know that much, my wife and I didn't object. However, I can see the negative effects its having on him and his faith. My prayer is that God will lead him in a similar way that He led you to get out of it.
God gave me revelation about Greeks & sorority pledging before I was saved. I was always dreaming to go to college, but that type of organizations never sat right with me. When I became saved the revelation from God got attention again & deeper, so I went to studying. I now tell my going to college children that those organizations are not of God & explain why. Also how the college campus will have many religions, groups, etc. coming at you to join something just like the world. It is what you learned in Christ to teach you the ways
Is he out of it? It doesn't sound like it.
He's not out of it.
Thankfully, due to some issues with being able to pay dues my son is now out of the fraternity. Being in that group led him into some stuff that's not good. However, God is at work and my prayer is full repentance and a return to the truth of God's Word.
@@danielrecommends I'm so happy to hear this. You mentioned that Parr was out of his fraternity but he is actually still a member. You can view several CZcams videos of Christians who came out of their greek orgs...search "denounce fraternity &/or denounce sorority." You are a good father.
Awesome video Brother Allen! Keep up the good work!💖
Great video, Pastor Parr. I pledged Alpha over 30 years ago. I too walked away after coming to the full knowledge of Christ. Fraternity life was totally contrary to my Christian walk. I applaud you for your boldness in teaching on this topic. Not many Pastors will touch this. God bless you.
Thank God for the wisdom and the understanding he has given Bro Allen to touch on some of the hardest topics during this new age living where so many bible prinicals are pushed to the side God bless you brother have been enjoying your videos
he didnt say he denounce the organization and also he said he is not against the organization. Also he didnt say no you shouldn't join. He also said my fraternity brothers. He is trying to say no without saying no, while ultimately saying yes you can join at the same time. As Christians we shouldn't be trying to play the middle ground. This brother needs to totally denounce the organization. You can't serve two masters...
Amen!!
@@Proverbs-vw2sc I have listen to him before and he sound like one of those ministers who got their calling and salvation from divinity school NOT CHRIST. I have a lot to account.for. going back to church...sad me..
I peeped that too!!!! He shared good points but still straddling the fence...
You always speak with clarity and wisdom brother. God bless you. Keep making a difference through these videos.
I genuinely appreciate you for being so transparent.
Same convictions... I innocently pledged delta and was taken aback by the ritualistic aspects of the process... later got deeper into my relationship with God and His Word and denounced in prayer. Unfortunately the orgs are clear idols that desire worship. When God asked me to choose I chose Him despite losing out on popularity etc etc... are we living for the approval of God or man?
Thank you for posting this. I joined a group that was not in D9 and later dissipated, but I still see some of the members from time to time. I never thought I had to denounce since the group no longer exist. But I will do as you and denounce in prayer as well. I don't want anything like this to keep me away from the savior. Be Blessed!
@Sharing Joy, all praises goes to YHWH 🤗🤗🤗 I denounced dst spiritually 5 years ago & legally 2 years ago. The Holy Spirit showed me what He showed you about the rituals. czcams.com/video/j3RNkC3Jv_4/video.html You mentioned that you did a denouncement prayer, if your interested there's a ministry that Im part of that help folks get out legally. For more information please visit www.outfromamongthem.com
Which people are preaching the good news of the kingdom around the world like Jesus Mathew 4:23,24:14,28:18-20?
Right!!!
Why do you say that the orgs are clear idols that desire worship?
As a believer, I feel it's pointless and fleshly. It causes us to rely on people to gain access, to get ahead or whatever benefits may come along with joining these organizations. The safest place is to join and fellowship with sisters and brothers in Christ whose purpose is to encourage one another while advancing the Kingdom
I came across Endia Bass’ video on CZcams which helped me with the understanding of the roots of Freemasonry for Greek organizations. I was never apart of either. However, my grandfather was a Freemason. I represented and denounced his oaths and involvement on behalf of myself and my family. I understand everyone doesn’t think it’s that “deep”. However, it was for me especially seeing some patterns in my family.
I am so elated that you touched on this topic, and bravely shared your story. You are one of few people who touch on the hazing issue that is very much still active today, as well as the "Invictus" poem. Those were two primary factors that bothered me as a Christian, and as a Black Woman. I did not feel comfortable abusing my spiritual health, and I certainly didn't feel comfortable abusing anyone else physically or emotionally. It felt great to see someone who was a part of it say it was not good.
There is also a lot of division amongst chapters of the same Sororities/Fraternities, particularly if one hazed harder than the other (or not at all) than you're not real to them!...And althought most Grad chapters often don't be involved in the same level of craziness as undergrads, they know about it, and dont try to change it, and many don't want to. They think it should be exactly the way it is.
I actually founded a non-secretative Christian Sorority with my sister five years ago. There were some great Christian Sororities and Fraternities that were already in existence as well (they occasionally make errors too), but I saw a unique need locally that God was calling me to address.
Epic, God bless you my brother
I was 5 years of chronic illness. Semi Housebound, lost my health, job, finances and my fiance left me. I couldn't even look at electronic screen for 5 minutes, or hold a 10-minute conversation.
But God did an amazing work. And if he can do this, he can do it in you also. 😇🙏
I now have a Christian Channel where I encourage people and show them what God did in my life and that there is hope for you also.
*Keep believing even when it's hard* 🙏❤️🙌
*All things are possible with God*
God Is Good!!
I've just subscribed to your channel brother
This VIDEO WAS AWESOME AND ON POINT!! Thank you for not compromising
Amazing video! Thank you for your transparency!
Christ over culture. I always love hearing you preach. Such a blessing!
Thank you for always sharing great contents sir, you are a blessing Allen...
I pray for more discernment before we make any decisions in Jesus name.Amen🙏
amen, be encouraged in the faith Brother Allen!🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
This is very good brother, and lovingly conveyed. Grace and Peace!
Thank you so much Allen Parr for this video! 7 years ago, when I was in university, I was highly considering about joining either PHI Beta Sigma or kappa alpha Psi fraternity. By the grace of God and with my family not supporting the idea of me joining, I didn't join those fraternities. Those fraternities are dangerous and they can cause one to loss their soul and salvation. Secrecy is not good. God wants us to be pure in him and wants us to be a witness to a dying world. As Jesus said, we are the light of the World.
God bless you Allen Parr! Happy Sabbath and have a good and blessed weekend !
Right!!!
If you're truly in Christ, there isn't such thing as losing your salvation or soul. The scriptures justify this point well.🤍
Excellent presentation about trying to mix worshipping God and being committed to a fraternity and sororities. It does not mix at all.
Ive read Pdalms 1:1 a million times and never seen it as explained in this video. The progression of walking standing and sitting in our thougjt processs.
Excellent word bro!!!
phanjazm j praise God my friend! Yes indeed. We must be careful where we walk because we may end up sitting down in it.
Brother Allen, Thank you so much for making this video! I've always wondered about this, but never saw a Godly approach to it. No, I am not in college yet, even though I am a high school graduate. I am so glad that me taking a gap year has helped thus far and will continue to help me to realize and regurgitate what associations God WANTS me to join. I would have never thought to have put it in prayer. Now, that I am thinking about it, when it comes to things that I have acquired weakness or are generally weak in/at, I would usually pray about it. But, you know what, this is God using you to answer a question that I have yearning answers to for quite some time now. Also, this is Him protecting me from the party life which I had recently prayed about. So, Thank you Lord for moving through Brother Allen to shoot this message! Even though, he said it's been years, to me it's perfect timing!
It's even worst when your pastors & ministers are apart of these divine 9... looking for a new church home 😢
This video is an eye-opener! Thank God I did not pledge into any of these organizations while in college.
Thank you for this. I was considering pledging grad chapter but I kept having convictions. Your video has made it clear.
So much truth here. Appreciate you speaking up.
Tell the truth and expose the enemy!!
I needed to hear this. My great uncles and my brother are Omegas and I have considered it.
Amen! Thank God for your courage Allen Parr to do this video. Thank you for sharing your experiences in order to help others not make the same mistakes. This video should make Christians think and pray before they act.
Appreciate the video and your transparency, thanks ✊🏽
Thank you for this! I was told in church not to join Masonic organizations but no one spoke against fraternities or sororities, and I didn't get that. After doing my own research, I understood objections to Masonic organizations. Thank you for talking about this.
I have been WAITING for this discussion.
I denounced my org a few years ago because my spirit was so convicted. My whole process was HORRIBLE and there were so many times at which God told me to turn around but I pressed through. Ultimately, the origins of Greek orgs, the pledging process, the secret ceremonies, chants, the temptations, and the infamous poem invictus all point to joining being something not of God!
Did you denounce ? I’m curious to know.
Stay blessed
I did not officially denounce but I haven't been active in 25 years.
THE BEAT by Allen Parr thank you for being transparent! Denouncing is tough but my spirit feels so much more free!
God bless you!
@@thebeatagp Brother Allen, since you announced publically, you may need to close that circle to denounce and officially remove your name from the "roll".
Exactly, at best, fraternities are an example of blatant idolatry
TheBeautii2009 yeah I wanted to know more on people that are already in sororities cause I’m not active but I wear the gear sometimes. I just don’t want to be sinning against my Lord and savior
Thank you so much for posting this.
And as usual Allen, you nailed it! I have tried to have this conversation with individuals who were either considering pledging or pledging at a graduate-level or even POST graduate. The older ones think they are taking the opportunity they didn't take when they were in college.
What you said about the motivation for joining, answers a lot. And asking ourselves is joining going to make me a better witness? Those questions alone should help any born again Christian decide. I have had debates with close friends about this and have decided to back off because they are dead set on participating even in the alumni chapters, believing the organizations were founded on Christian principles and that should be enough to honor God.
None of my 4 adult children pledged when they were in college, however my youngest considered it and had started the process. But I always told my children to have a solid reason for why they commit to do something. She really did not have a good reason to join and her motivation was solely because she was told she should. Thank you Allen, you ALWAY speak truth to power and provide sound biblical wisdom and scripture references to confirm God's truth.
I joined Alpha Kappa Alpha in college at the age 22.. and the reason I joined was because my mom was an AKA and their was Greek throughout my family..but that was before I came to know Christ..thank you for posting this video.. because there's been discussions on this subject i experienced within the past few years..⚔️🛡️
Have you denounced yet?
When it comes to fraternities and sororities, you aren’t just pledging your allegiance to an organization. You’re pledging your allegiance to the Devil.
God tells us to not to love the world. Not to be worldly...This world has been given over to the hands of the wicked. When we try to fit in and be friends with the world, we make ourselves enemies of God. We’re called to be set apart.
James 4:4 📖
"Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God."
Thank you. This is my principle here. Not being like the world, because it's influenced by Satan anyways. I've been quickened and devoted to God by His grace and I truly value God's principle of separation to Him. I've made it my commitment to reject worldliness and live without compromise for Christ always. That's not easy but He is helping me to do it, and it's saving me from a lot of bondage and traps. Praise God.
I don't have a church home anymore because I moved to a new state, but I will say this... You are now my pastor! Thank You for this ministry, your channel is the Best thing I stumbled upon after praying to God for knowledge, wisdom, and understanding! I now watch your videos almost every day and now watch it with my husband at times. Thank You so much, I will be sharing your videos with family and friends. May God continue to use you and Bless you abundantly because God is truly using you in saving many lives. Hallelujah to the Lamb of God🙌🏾 Thank You Jesus for this ministry and this Pastor 🙌🏾
This is a great video!!!! Thank you so much for making it!
Thank you for sharing this!!!!!!!!! That poem was one of the many red flags that kept me from joining that specific frat! I asked somebody from the organization to explain this quote and their reasoning for reciting this but their explanation was not enough to get me to join. Honestly, reciting this reeks of idolatry. In general, Panhellenic and National Panhellenic organizations are idolatrous. Just look at the joining process ( by “paper” or by the traditional hazing way). Essentially, one would have to deny him or herself and allow the organization to take priority over everything else. That’s Idolatry! Plus, When a person really studies and get down to the real roots behind the beliefs, chants, practices and ceremonies of these fraternities and sororities , one would discover these organizations do not mix with Christ.
Thank God for this video. Thank You Holy Spirit for You always talk to me!
Allen you are sooo on point with your discussions. Great job with reseraching facts and aligning your conclusions with the Word of God. You're highly intelligent, articulate and have a heart for Christ. I am honorred to call you a brother in Christ and not surprised that you are my brother in greekdom. Stay on the wall my brother...may God enlarge your borders! You're uncovering truth.
Amazing teachings. Thank you brother 👏
I was Addicted to Gaming and Was In So Many Problem, Didn’t Gave Time to God, Mom And Dad Divorce Then Mom Left. Was In Pain Hang Out With Friends That was bad and Learned Bad Stuff and Was A Sinner Didn’t Follow The Ten Commands until My Family Seek God and we found him and He Gave Me Hope And Joy In My Life. Now I am Reborn Christian I have Completely Changed From How Was I Before. God Is Still With Me Today And Forever. That’s The Reason Why Have I Started A Christian Channel.
God Will Give You Hope In Your Life
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May God Bless You 🙏😁
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I think i read this comment on other channel
I see you everywhere man! I have seen Your comment in Lion of Judah's video and in other videos too
I was 5 years of chronic illness. Semi Housebound, lost my health, job, finances and my fiance left me. I couldn't even look at electronic screen for 5 minutes, or hold a 10-minute conversation.
But God did an amazing work. And if he can do this, he can do it in you also. 😇🙏
I now have a Christian Channel where I encourage people and show them what God did in my life and that there is hope for you also.
*Keep believing even when it's hard* 🙏❤️🙌
*All things are possible with God*
I was a HBCU in Oklahoma in 91 and I was encouraged to join Sigma... I wasn't saved back then but I knew not too then. Glad I didn't
Jesus saved me yet went ASTRAY hard headed....I have to be whole and get back Sincerely. ..this is TERRIBLE... please pray for Tricia to be back and whole this Immorality and flesh blindness is WRONG....I am so stupid sometime Hurt me....I need Help and stop body healed in Jesus name
@@TriciaRP Psalms 118:8
Thanks Frat! This was a great video! Love your channel!
Another awesome teaching brother Parr. BTW that shirt you're wearing 🔥🔥
Why would the God of Israel, want you to pledge under Greek or any other God or nation?? That goes against the Bible.
This was interesting, I'm considering pledging AKA but I'm very firm in my beliefs. I just have conflict with the rituals, mantras and poems. Definitely making me want to research further into this.
if you’re firm in your beliefs than you wouldn’t consider joining , it’s that simple. let your yes be your yes and your no be your no
Glad you are going to do your research. Some of these 'pledeges' come straight from the bible and God's name is replaced with the org's name. Which is in direct opposition to God's will. Blessings of clarity to you.
Allen, these are excellent points, I will share this video with a relative of mine who is deeply involved in his fraternity. I know he will not appreciate it at first, but it is definitely food for thought!
Amen thank you so much for this message 🙏🏾❤️
This is such a gray area issue because even if a person goes in to a frat or sorority, they may have the idea that they are pledging for the networking or for the sense of brotherhood or sisterhood but once you take the "oath" to adhere to the rules and regulations of the organization, you almost become bound by it. It starts to become part of the oath to participate in the activities even if you know it's not inline with Christian values. I wouldn't say these organizations are necessarily demonic but they can be misguided. The best thing is to go to God first and see how you feel after talking with Him. He will take you down the right path.
I would say they are demonic.
You did not denounce joining them yet clearly they are open to acknowledging other gods. Your clever and may have learned to deceive too well, very smooth words. I cannot judge but this reminds me to not put trust in mortal men.
Hey Frat, I agree - I pledged in 1988 and Invictus always pricked my 21 yr old spirit. Your commentary is spot on. This episode was very well done and keep on teaching.
Great video. Educating yourself on fraternities is important. May I also add, BE CAUTIOUS because how they operate can also translate to a religious mindset. In which case your pledges to a particular organization or cult could carry eternal weight! I recommend this video to those studying to be Jehovah’s witnesses.
This is something that I have been thinking about. I joined the zeta phi beta in 2012 at the age of 20 . I am 28 now with more knowledge and a better relationship with GOD. It never caused me to go against my values when I joined. Currently , I am not active in the organization but I haven't denounced them yet.
We joined around the same time. Have you decided to denounce them yet? I’m in the process of doing so.
@@Unboundbygrace Hello, I have not had the chance to look into it yet. But I am currently not active. I am hoping to look into it soon.
@@BianVerr Oh okay! thank you for replying 🙏🏾 I pray for your peace as you go through the process.
Hey! Also a member and will be denouncing soon. Have you denounced yet?
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@@jesusisthekingofkingsandlo3231 Yes.... please I WANT TO BE BACK AND NOT OUT HERE
JUST always in sick FOOLISH trouble. Sometimes I wonder do God hate me..I said that I hate Him didn't mean it and in a mess again...He deliver me and now look?
Thanks for sharing this. I've been searching for something like this for a while. I agree with everything you've said, keep up the work my brother and standing up for the gospel. I will say this one thing, you stated that you're not against fraternities/sororities, however every point you've made were on point and that based on biblical principles you should be against it because their actions don't line up with the gospel. Just that part that caught my attention other than that my brother I love what you're doing. God bless you and the fam.
thank you...Thank You...THANK YOU...!! As a Born Believer, this information wasn't new to me. As the Grandmother and Great Aunt of young people heading off to college soon, this video explained the facts about pledging according to God's Word better than I probably ever could have. I have sent them all copies of this video with hopes that it will clear up many questions that they may have with regards to pledging. Again, thank you and continue to share the teachings of our Lord.